Nov. 9, 2024

Why Pastors Fall Into Sin

Why Pastors Fall Into Sin

The reasons pastors fall into sin has been discovered!

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The reasons pastors fall into sin has been discovered!

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone.

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It is Saturday, November the ninth, twenty twenty four. It

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is currently one forty eight pm Central Time, and I

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am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio

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located right here in Abilene, Texas. For two thousand years,

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Christians have fallen into sin over and over and over

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and over again. Sometimes they've fallen into sin and it

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remains a secret, it remains hidden, and no one knows

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anything about it. Sometimes they fall into sin and it

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becomes public knowledge. They are found out and it is

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scandalous and everyone starts talking about it, and it's shocking

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and it's devastating. And sometimes not just sometimes many times

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during that two thousand year period, even pastors who stand

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behind a pulpit, who hold the Word of God in

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their hands and they proclaim it and they preach it

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and they teach it, even they fall into sin. They

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commit some sin. Sometimes it's private, it's secret, and no

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one knows about it. And sometimes their sin is exposed

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and everyone finds out and it's scandalous and it's hurtful

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and everyone talks about it. But what's the one thing

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that is a certainty is that over and over and over,

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sin occur, sin occur, sin occur, sinoccurs. But ladies and gentlemen,

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I don't know what you're doing right now, but stop

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doing what you're doing. If you're driving your car, pull

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over to the side of the road and stop. If

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your kids are making noise, ay, sh stop. If your

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spouse is bothering you, tell them to be quiet.

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If you're doing something, stop you're doing is sit down.

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Because ladies and gentlemen, after two thousand years, we have

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discovered the secret. The shocking secret has finally been revealed.

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We now know why pastors fall into sin. The I

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mean the answer obviously. I guess it was so simple

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that we should have seen it, but we've all missed it.

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But we've now finally got the answer. If pastors would

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simply fix this one thing, they would not fall into

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sin anymore. I guess maybe they would just stop sinning completely.

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I guess possibly they would be perfect. I don't know,

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but all they have to do is fix one little thing.

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And I am going to share that secret with you.

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I'm not even going to charge it for you. I'm

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not gonna put this behind a paywall. I'm going to

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share this with you for free. And so then immediately

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as soon as you're done, you can get on the phone.

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You can call your pastor and you can say hey, hey, hey,

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I want to help you. I don't want you to

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ever fall into sin. Here's the only thing you need

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to do.

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All you have to do.

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It's simple, and I got it for free on the internet.

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Are you ready? Are you ready to find out what

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the secret is?

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Now?

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I'm thinking if the secret will help, if a pastor

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will do this one thing, it will keep them from

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falling into sin. I'm assuming the principle is transferable, right,

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then this is the only thing you need to do

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to stop from sinning. If it stops a pastor from sinning,

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if it will stop a pastor from falling into sin,

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I'm assuming it will stop you and I from falling

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into sin. Right. I mean, maybe this has been the

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secret we've all need. We've been talking a lot about

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Christians and sin and that, well, we're perpetually in a

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state of sin. Right. If God's standard is be holy

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as He is holy, no one ever meets that standard.

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So we're in a perpetual state of sin. So I

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don't even know what it means to fall into sin,

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because we're already into sin. I guess we mean falling

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into a specific sin. But you get the idea. So

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maybe if the secret is, hey, pastors, fix this, you

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won't fall into sin. Well, then I guess it's transferable. Hey,

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you sitting in the pew, Hey you listening to this podcast,

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do this one thing, and you too can be free

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from sinning ever again. Now, I think you can detect

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that I'm being very sarcastic. I think you can probably

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hear it in my voice. I'm trying to be a

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little over dramatic. I don't know he's over dramatic for me.

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It's just a normal day. But okay, you get the idea.

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But we're going to talk about this now. I do

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have to say this, as many of you know, I

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think it was in the month of October. I think

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it was October. A big scandal broke very famous pastor,

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very much associated with Lordship Salvation MacArthur Liganaire Ministries.

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This person, very very very very very famous, was.

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Found to have been in sin, committed a great sin,

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removed from ministry, and all these things happened. Everyone was

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talking about it and talking about it and talking about it.

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There's been YouTube video after YouTube video made. Everyone's been

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discussing it. And you know what my policy was, I'm

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not mentioning the name, I'm not getting into it, but

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I'm going to take this truth about this pastor following

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of the sin, and that we will talk about sin

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in a much more deeper way. Right. So that has

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been my approach, instead of getting on the air and

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mentioning the pastor's name and talking about the scandal and

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going through all the little information that people are finding

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and just kind of turning into a tabloid, you know,

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a Christian podcast, which many Christian podcasts love when they're

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scandal because that's what it kind of becomes. I'm like,

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we're gonna look at this from a deeper from a

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philological perspective. And that led to our series on the

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Six Secrets of the Christian Life.

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We talked about it.

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We've been talking about law, gospel, so called sanctification, all

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these issues within and christendom. And so I think our

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approach was I think it was better. I think it

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was avoided all the rumors and gossip and slander and

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not when a pastor falls into sin. I mean, I

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guess you can put them on full blast, but all

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you ultimately do is hurt everyone involved. So I just

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I made a clear decision and that's the way I

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handled it, and hopefully our discussion.

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Has been beneficial.

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But in the meantime, those people on YouTube, they haven't

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stopped mentioning the name of the guy because those videos

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are obviously getting them the more downloads and the more streams,

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so they keep talking and talking and talking and talking

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about it. Now, for the most part, I've kind of

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avoided most of the videos. I've clicked on a few,

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but then yesterday, yesterday I there was a video in

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title like the shocking truth has been revealed. The shocking

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truth has been revealed. We a major update on this

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controversy is shocking truth. And all the videos are like, hey,

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we now have the shocking truth of why this pastor

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fell into sin. We now know what was the cause.

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And I'm like, WHOA do I listen to this? So

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I started playing one and within like sixty seconds, it

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felt like sixty seconds, It may have been a little

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bit longer. I didn't time it. I was like, you've

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got to be kidding me. This is the most ridiculous

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thing I've ever heard. So we're getting ready to listen

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to the audio of a video that I found on

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YouTube where they are going to argue that they now

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understand they have the secret of why pastors fall into sin,

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and if pastors will just fix this one thing, they'll

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stop falling into sin. And of course, logically, my argument

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will be, well, if this will keep pastors from falling

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into sin, then this should be transferable and this should

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keep us all from sin. All right, So already there's

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some like a major theological problems with all of that.

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Let me state it again. I'm going to be a repetitive.

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God's standard is be holy as He is holy. No

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one is ever going to do that.

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In this life.

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So you were in a perpetual state of sin, that's

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one command. You never obey that command. You're in a

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perpetual state of sin. Love God with all your heart, mind, body,

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and soul. You're never going to do that. You're in

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a perpetual state of sin. Love your neighbor as yourself.

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You're never gonna do that. You're in a perpetual state

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of sin. Love your enemy. You're never gonna do that.

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You're in a perpetual state of sin. We are all

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in a perpetual state of sin. Now you can say,

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but I didn't fall into that sin, or I didn't

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fall into that sin. Now you're just drawing distinction. I

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guess you can create a list of you know, mortal

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sin versus venial sin. I guess you could do that, right,

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I mean, if you want to, if you want to

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be a good.

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Catholic, I guess you could do that.

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Many Protestants have their own list of mortal and venial sins.

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But the reality is we're in a perpetual state of sin.

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Everyone is.

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And Christians sell it like, oh no, when you become

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a Christian, of course we've heard it a million times,

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you become a new creature. Old things to perhaps way

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all things have become new, And we teach that is

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if that's a practical truth, which we know it is not,

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because if everything is changed and the old is gone

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and everything is new, then that means I would should

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be able to be sinless, because where is sin coming from?

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Because that would mean my nature is completely transformed. But

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we know this, people keep sinning, so we know that

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that is speaking of our perpetual, our positional standing, not

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our practical reality. So we've talked about this stuff over

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and over and over. So I was shocked to find

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out that I guess for two thousand years and we've

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missed the secret. We're about to find out why pastors

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fall into sin and making it transferable, why you sin?

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And when we say fall into sin, I don't know

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exactly what we were already in sin. But okay, okay,

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here we go. Are you ready to hear this? We're

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going to take it apart. Oh boy, oh boy, this

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m this is about to be a trip. Are you ready?

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Here we go? I found this on YouTube. It was random. Look,

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you may agree with him, that's okay. That's one of

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the beauties of this podcast. I always try to present

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both sides. I try to let you hear their hypotheses.

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I'm going to give you my hypothesis. I'm already obviously

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reviewing mine. You already know mine, and you can determine

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which one you want.

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All right, But here we.

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Go.

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During the month of October, I didn't make any videos.

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I took some time off. I had to catch up

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on a lot of things, that I had I needed

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to do, and so I kind of let YouTube take

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a break from me for a little while, and it

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was a blessing. But during that time, this old Steve

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loss and scandal flared up, and I just let it

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go because I just, you know, I just needed a

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break and I had to resist the temptation to speak

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on this.

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Now that's the first time the name has ever been

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mentioned here on I think this broadcast. I've avoided the name.

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I've stayed away from all the scandalous you know, gossiply

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gossip kind of slander type thing that's going around. But

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he mentioned the name, and I'm not have any desire

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to get into all of that. I think the issue

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is about something deeper, right, It's not about him. It's

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about something deeper. It's about how Christian theology, for the

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most part, doesn't really know how to deal within We

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say we do, but we don't because our basic theology

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is when you become a Christian, you basically stop sinning,

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and if you sin, it's like, oh, how did that happen?

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I don't know. Maybe because our entire theology on the

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subject is so broken and confused, and we live in

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a state of perpetual pretend because we pretend to be

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that which we aren't.

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So he mentioned the name, all.

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Right, but that let me make it very clear. This

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episode is not about the individual who fail. This episode

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is not about that scandal. This episode is not about that. See,

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if you mention the name, everyone will become fixated with that,

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am baffled by the theology that would lead you to

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is absolutely abhorrent and disconnected to historical biblical Christianity. But

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let's hear it. So I'm going to back that up

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so you get it all in context. Here we go.

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just you know, I just needed a break and I

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had to resist the temptation to speak on this. My

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position has always been, and it's been it's been proven

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then it's because he had bad doctrine.

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it's because he has bad doctrine. If your morality is bad,

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it's because your doctrine is bad. Then Therefore, the logical

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conclusion would be, if you get your doctrine right, then

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ladies and gentlemen, your morality will be right. So good

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morality flows from good doctrine, and bad morality flows from

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bad doctrine. So the quality of your doctrine determines the

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level of morality in which one lives. Now, there are

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so many problems with this, but the obvious question was, well,

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who's doctrine is the right one? Right, because he's gonna

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say it's this doctrine or this doctrine, but someone else

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will say, but it's this doctrine and this doctrine two

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thousand years. Christians don't agree on anything doctrinally, We don't

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agree on anything.

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The Lord's Supper, baptism, repentance, You go on and on

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and on and on and on. So who gets to say, well,

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your morality is bad because your doctrine is bad. Well,

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see that works great. When someone from the other doctrinal

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camp falls into sin, then you'll like, well, obviously they're

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in sin because their doctrine is wrong. But what happens

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when people in your camp who holds to your doctrine

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falls into sin? What's the excuse? Then, Well, somewhere their

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doctrine is wrong is doctrine. The reason that people sin

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is doctrine. The reason your morality is determined by your doctrine.

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this is insane? This, this is a complete I don't

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even understand how you can say that from a biblical worldview.

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let it play out a little bit, and then I'm

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going to take this whole hypothesis apart. This I literally

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when I would and I know I'm over dramatic, but this,

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this is no hyperbole. I was sitting literally in this chair.

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sitting in this chair from the table I broadcast from

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watching that video. As soon as he said that, I

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I just fell out of my chair. Was like, I

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give up. I give Christian ladies and gentlemen. Christianity is dead.

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Historical biblical Christianity no longer exists. Whatever this new thing is,

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would never say your morality flows from your doctrine. Your

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morality flows, I don't know, from something else. Right, Your

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doctrine informs you of your morality. Your doctrine informs you

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of your problem, and your doctrine should inform you of

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the only solution, which is an imputed righteousness, not an

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infused righteousness unless you're Catholic. Okay, let's see. Then that's

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a different doctrinal system. Are what we see? We can

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go all day on this, all right, Well, let's let's

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Here we go.

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from me for a little while, and it was a blessing.

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flared up, and I just let it go because I just,

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you know, I just needed a break, and I had

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to resist the temptation to speak on this. My position

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has always been, and it's been it's been proven again

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it's because he had bad doctrine somewhere. That's what it is,

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and that's why the theme of this channel is Doctrine matters,

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because it does. What you believe about God affects everything

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about you. All of your philosophy is born out of

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your theology, always has been, always will be. And so

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I thought, well, there's got to be something in the

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life of Steve Lawson that was way off that nobody

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caught some belief that he held that was not I'd

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be like shockingly erroneous or maybe even heretical. And it

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has to be something other than his Calvinism. There's got

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to be something else there, and it has come out

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what that is. And in today's video. I'll tell you

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what it is. Don't go away. Well, hello friend this

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year friend Spencer here, I'm going to talk about this

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for a little while, the Steve Lost situation. Go ahead, smite,

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not like but nor the Lezard people will get you.

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last video. Isn't that wild? But whatever, that's what they did,

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You know, you can follow his channel.

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supposed massive doctrinal error in Steve loss life that I

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guess leads to the end morality. But the hypothesis is

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error and his life, all right, which is which is

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a problem. If it's true, it is a problem, but

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it's a problem more about Christianity in general. But let's

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get to this hypothesis. Let's let's get to the hypotheses first.

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because of this, this is why he's sinned. Because I'm

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gonna give you some shocking information about why pastor sin

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shocked by it, but it should make sense. But all right,

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but let's look at this all right. When you say

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that doctrine is the thing that determines whether someone falls

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into sin or doesn't fall into sin, you are completely

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destroying the basic philological understanding of where sin comes from. See,

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sin arise is inside of us because we have a

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sinful nature. We are born sinners. Therefore our natural behavior

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sin because we are sinners on the inside, and that

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sinful nature is not eradicated or removed in salvation. So

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even as a saved person, you are still a sinner.

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because if your sinful nature is completely eradicated, then you

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can be perfect. But since we can't be perfect, what

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is keeping us from perfection? There's got to be something

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keeping me from perfection. What is it? It's the sin

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nature that still remains. Positionally, I'm a new creature, old

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has passed away, all things have become new. Practically, I'm

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imputed righteousness does not change me practically, it changes me positional.

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Sin, sin, sin, sin, sin, sin sin.

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I can have all the right doctrine, according to whoever's

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judging what the right doctrine is, because that's a whole

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different problem. But I can have all the right doctrine.

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All my teas are crossed, all my eyes are dotted.

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I've got the comma in the right place, the period,

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all the punctuation is right, grammatically is right, subject verb, agreement,

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everything is perfect. It's the greatest doctrinal statement ever put

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on paper and the history of human kind. And I

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can have that doctrinal statement memorized. I could defend it

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and a debate. I could prove it, I could articulate it,

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I could preach it, I could teach it, and I

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can still be in a perpetual state of sin, because

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guess what I am. No matter how good your doctrine is,

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and if you think doctrine stops you from sinning. You

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don't understand sin. The idea that a pastor falls into

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sin purely because of doctrinal error as an oversimplification and

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in many ways a flawed perspective on the.

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Nature of sin itself. In fact, what you guess what?

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that means your doctrine of sin is in an error.

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because his doctrine was wrong, and that the reason people

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fall into sin is because of wrong doctrine. That's a

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wrong doctrine on sin. So he's perpetuating a wrong doctrine

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on sin while condemning someone else for falling into sin

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because their doctrine was wrong. Don't you find that the

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most ironic, ridiculous thing you've ever seen in your life?

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This viewpoint assumes that all sinful actions directly stem from

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incorrect beliefs. Rather than recognizing the complex and deeply ingrained

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nature of sin inside human beings sin, we need to

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see sin as a human condition. The Christian understanding of

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sin as articulated throughout scripture suggests that sin is not

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merely the product of doctrinal misunderstanding, but as it is

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a fundamental part of human nature, well correct doctrine is essential.

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Human beings, regardless.

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Of their theological accuracy, struggle with sin because of an

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inherent sinful nature.

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This perspective acknowledges that everyone is.

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Successible, successible to sin, not just due to knowledge gaps,

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but due to in innate inclination towards disobedience. We're all

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susceptible to sin. Every single one of us is susceptible.

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There is not a sin you, as a Christian cannot commit.

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There is not a sin that you cannot commit. Now

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we can get into blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. We

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can get into what that is or is it? Can

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that even be committed today? So let's set that argument aside,

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because that's five hour discussion. Other let's just set that

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one aside. There is no sin you cannot commit as

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a Christian. There's none you could You could. You could

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fall into any sin, no matter how horrible, no matter

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how I mean. Look at David. Now, I know people said,

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well the Old Testament Saints, I know you. We can

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make all these arguments. The point is, there is not

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a sin you cannot commit. I don't care how right

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your doctrine is, because the sin is a part of

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your condition. It's who you are by nature. You're transformed positionally,

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but practically you're just a sinner, so you're subcept succeptible

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to it. If I can for some reason state that

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word correctly, you are. You have an innate inclination towards it,

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You're pulled to it. It is who you are. You

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sin because you are a sinner, and you will be

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a sinner until glorification. As your doctrine will not change

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that to say right doctrine. Hey, that person fall into

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sin because their doctrine is wrong. So all we have

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to do is get all Christians the right doctrine and

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they all stop sinning. Well, how come no one has

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figured that out in two thousand years? Which church has

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the right doctrine so everyone can stop sinning? Does this

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guy on YouTube? I guess he's assuming that because he

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has right doctrine, he's never going to fall into sin. Well,

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then is he not changing the definition of what sin is?

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He's a sinner perpetually by any right definition of sin.

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of the human condition. It's not a result of doctrinal belief.

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It's not going to change that. It's a fundamental part

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of our human nature. Correct doctrine may be essential, but

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human beings, regardless of their theological accuracy, will struggle with

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sin because of an inherent sinful nature. This perspective acknowledges

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that everyone is susceptible to sin, not just due to

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knowledge gaps, but due to an innate inclination towards disobedience.

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sin as a human condition.

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Next, we have to see the complexity of temptation and sin.

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The argument that basically wrong doctrine leads to wrong morals

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reduces the cause of sin to an intellectual understanding, where

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scripture and experience show that temptation and sin often arise

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from a mix of emotional, psychological, situational factors. Even individuals

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with sound doctrine can fall prey to these influences, and

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reducing the cause to doctrinal error ignores the complexity and

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multifaceted struggles people face sin and why you're drawn to sin.

463
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Not only does it come from your human nature. It

464
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comes from lots of psychological things. And okay, are you

465
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ready for this? This is going to be shocking. Are

466
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you ready for this? The Steve Lowson thing, it deals

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with an inappropriate relationship, whether of sexual nature or just

468
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an online nature, of a sexual kind, romantic, whatever, however

469
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you want to classify it. I know. Okay, are you

470
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ready for this? This is going to be shocking. You ready, Okay?

471
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Pastors they desire sex. Pastors can look at people and

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be attracted to them and desire them and want them

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and lust and have fantasies. Pastors they can desire romantic relationship.

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I know this is shocking news, Ladies and gentlemen, I

475
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know this is shocking. But they're human beings with biological needs,

476
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psychological needs.

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And sinful desires.

478
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Pastors sin because they're human, like everyone else, has a

479
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sinful nature. I am not excusing anyone sin, but it's

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ridiculous to say, well, the reason Steve lost and follow

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in discin is because his doctrine was wrong. If you'd

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have had right doctrine, he would never have these desires.

483
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These desires are a part of who we are as

484
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human beings. We're born sinners, So our natural desire is sinful.

485
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That's the natural desire. Any desire that's not sinful is

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other than our nature.

487
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Our nature.

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I hate to quote Lady Gaga, but we were born

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this way. We're born sinners. That's who we are, that's

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what we do. That's why two thousand years of church

491
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history is sins and sinse and sins. And since that's

492
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why in your life you're twenty four every twenty four hours,

493
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it's twenty four hours of sin of failure. Because God's

494
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standard is perfection internally and externally, and you're perpetually not

495
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in a state of perfection. So you're perpetually in a

496
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state of sin. And you know why you sin, because

497
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you have a sinful nature. You have sinful lust, sinful desires.

498
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Pastors do as well. Pastors can hate people. They can

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be bitter, they can be angry, they can be deceitful,

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they can be narcissists, they can be prideful, they can

501
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.480
be anger, they can be better, they can be lustful,

502
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they can be you name it, they can be anything

503
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:18.559
anybody else can be. Because they are sinners, not excusing anything.

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All the doctrine in the world will not fix that.

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So when you say that doctrine wrong doctrine leads to

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bad morals and good doctrine leads to good morals, it's

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just an oversimplification, not only of human nature, but of

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the complexity of temptation and sin. Not only that, does

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it not misunderstand spiritual warfare. The New Testament repeatedly emphasizes

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the spiritual battle believer's face and playing that sin can

511
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also be a result of spiritual forces and not merely

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intellectual failings. Reducing a pastor's fall to doctrinal error misses

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the reality of this struggle, which often involves a combination

514
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of internal weakness and external pressure and spiritual opposition. Do

515
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we are we in a spiritual war or not? Do

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we not war against the lust of the flesh, the eyes,

517
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and the pride of life? Do we not believe Satan

518
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is a roaring line Roman about seeking whom he may devour?

519
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Don't we believe that the sinful nature is still present?

520
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And somehow I get right doctrine and that all fixes it.

521
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The lust of the flesh goes away, the lust of

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the eyes goes away, the pride of life goes away.

523
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That is just that is doctrinal error about sin. The

524
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claim that pastoral sin stems solely from doctrinal error fails

525
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to recognize the complexity of sin and oversimplifies, oversimplifies human behavior,

526
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and does not account for the broader theological understanding of

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human nature, temptation, and the need for spiritual vigilance. Even

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with perfect doctrine, pastors and all believers remain bound by

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their human nature. The apostle Paul expresses this struggle in

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Roman seven, where he laments his inability to do good

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in his desire because to do good he desires because

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of the sin dwelling in him. This reality underscores that

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sin is not merely an intellectual or doctrinal issue, but

534
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a pervasive condition impacting every area of life. Doctrine can

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certainly guide, convict or informed, but it cannot transform the

536
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fundamental nature of humanity. This transformation does not occur through

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right doctrine.

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Right doctrine doesn't fix anything.

539
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Other than this. When s okay, let me state that again.

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Right doctrine does not fix anything related to your nature.

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It doesn't transform your nature or change your nature. What

542
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right doctrine does is tell you, hey, that's a sin

543
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and you're like, oh, wow, I didn't know that's a sin.

544
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I want to do that. I love that, I desire that,

545
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I may even engage in that. But doctrinally I understand

546
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that it's wrong. See, Doctrine will inform you that what

547
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you're doing is wrong. Doctrine will inform you that you

548
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should feel guilty. Doctrine will show you you're wrong. Doc

549
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will say you should believe this, and you should believe this.

550
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But it does not change your nature, So it doesn't

551
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do anything to your nature. It does hopefully change your

552
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mind about things, or you may struggle, you may have guilt,

553
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.319
you may have shame, you may fight against it, but

554
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you will at least, if you're going to be true

555
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.680
to your doctrine, will at least acknowledge.

556
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Like I'm not justifying it as sin.

557
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But ladies and gentlemen, it's ridiculous to say that the

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reason Steve Lawson fell because it was a wrong doctrine.

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He fail because he's a man, just like I am.

560
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I can't speak for anybody else listening, whatever, if you're

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male or female, whatever you may be.

562
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I'm not here to get into it.

563
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I just know for me, I can understand because he's

564
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a man, and guess what he has needs, bi biological needs, desires.

565
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Not seeing anything that he did was right, not justifying it,

566
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.000
not excusing it. But I can understand because it can

567
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happen to anyone. It can happen to male, it can

568
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happen to female, pastor non pastor, seminary professor, non seminary professor,

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It can happen to anyone and anywhere, because we are

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human beings with biological needs, psychological needs, those are desires,

571
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and they will seek, and we will seek in many

572
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cases to satisfy said desire in a way which God

573
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has prohibited. In fact, if you think about all sin

574
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is typically seeking to satisfy some desire, some need, and

575
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a way which God has prohibited. I mean, that's typically

576
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what it is when we are selfish, when we are prideful.

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God condemns pride, but we almost have a psychological desire

578
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.240
and need to feel pride, to feel to make it feel,

579
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to exalt ourselves. We don't want to exalt, We don't

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want to put others before ourselves. We want to put

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ourselves before God himself. I was just baffled that his

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entire solution is, hey, get your doctrine right, and ladies

583
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.799
and gentlemen, your sin goes away. It's just not true.

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So now that we've at least explored that looked at it,

585
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now we have to ask this very important question. Well, then,

586
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what was the doctrinal error that caused Steve Lawson to

587
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fall in to such horrible sin? What do you think

588
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his great doctrinal error was? What do you think a

589
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doctrinal error so big that it caused Steve Losson to

590
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fall into such great sin? And if he would just

591
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fix this one doctrinal error, then it would be it

592
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would be fixed.

593
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What do you think it is?

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But come on, right, you're right right, you write your

595
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suggestion down on paper. What was his doctrinal error that

596
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that caused all the problems?

597
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Are you ready? Here we go.

598
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So we're gonna show you the the smoking gun about

599
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Steve Lawson. And and before we do that, I want

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I'm gonna show you just a couple of live streams

601
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that we've done in the past on our channel here,

602
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.839
and of course you haven't subscribed yet, please subscribe, We

603
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.799
want you to please do that. Let me show you here, uh,

604
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the statement that I've made and I put some guys

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up on the screen a while back that I thought

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were very important. Bad morals and bad doctrine got Karl Lyntz,

607
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:09.400
Robert Morris, Tony Evans, and Jack Scott. And anytime a

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preacher falls morally, he he's got some sort of wonky

609
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doctrinal view, some sort of crazy thing he believes about God.

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And so what is it?

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And that so anytime a pastor falls, anytime, it's because

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of wonky doctrine. Anytime a pastor falls, their doctrine is wrong.

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So you get your doctrine right and you don't fall.

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I mean that is an utter like, that's wrong doctrine

615
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:45.599
about the nature of sin.

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That's that's that's the wrong.

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That's the wrong doctrine about where sin even originates from.

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Like this whole thing, it's just hilarious. Well, he's he's

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listing all the pastors who've fallen into sin and their

620
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doctrine is wrong. Implication his doctrine right. And if we

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follow the doctrine of the skuy on YouTube, then we

622
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.199
too can avoid sin. All we got to do is

623
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.840
follow the guy on YouTube and then we'll all be great.

624
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Oh man, I gotta get his doctrinal statement and I'm

625
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gonna memorize it tonight, and ladies and gentlemen, by next week,

626
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I will never sin again. And you can follow my process,

627
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my progress. You can follow it right, I'll do before

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and after.

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Here was me.

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Before, I was a man sinful, lust, desires, pride, selfish,

631
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self seeking, bitter, unforgiving, didn't love God, didn't love my neighbor.

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But I found a guy on YouTube and I got

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his doctrinal statement.

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And now look at me.

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I have no lust, I have no wrong desires, ladies

636
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and gentlemen. I now am perfect because I have right doctrine.

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Now I know he would be like, well, I'm not

638
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saying you will be perfect. So now the minute he

639
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would retreat, if he takes any steps backwards, then he's

640
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contrad himself. Either my doctrine fixes my morality or it doesn't.

641
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Now let's see what's what's the wrong doctrine?

642
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Are you ready?

643
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Are you ready? What's the wrong doctrine?

644
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Here we go.

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That's been the million of our question on the Steve

646
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Lawson situation. What was the weird thing that Steve Lawson

647
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was thinking that caused him to mess up morally with

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a young lady? What was it?

649
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What was Steve Lawson thinking that caused him to mess

650
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up with a young lady? Let me see what we're thinking.

651
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Maybe something like, wow, she's beautiful. Wow, she's hot, Wow,

652
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she's sexy. Wow, she makes me feel things that nobody

653
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else has made me feel. Wow, I've been missing this.

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Wow.

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Maybe things like that.

656
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I know that's all gross and disgusting and we don't

657
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like to hear that, but I wouldn't you think that's

658
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probably what he was thinking. Whitnesay, I'm missing something. I'm

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desiring something that I don't feel like I have, or

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I want something different. I want to say there was Well,

661
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I mean, and that comes from your sinful nature, right,

662
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I mean, like, is this like, oh my goodness, we've

663
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got the smoking gun. And it's not just that he's

664
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a man who desires. No, no, no, no no. It

665
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can't be that simple. Oh no, no, no no, because

666
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as pastors, we have none of these desires unless we

667
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have wrong doctrine, and then dun dun dundu, here comes

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the wrong desires. But the wrong desires were there before

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our doctrine ever showed up, and our wrong desires will

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be there long after our doctrines show up because our

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wrong desires are part of our human nature, because we

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are sinners by nature. Why is this so complicated and

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American Christianity in twenty twenty four, because whatever we're putting

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out is just pure trash and garbage and has no

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connection to not only reality, to the actual teaching of scripture.

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That Hey, you know why the things I want to

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do I don't do, and the things I don't want

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to do I do because I'm a sinner and I'm

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going to continue to be a sinner until glorification.

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And by the way, if you don't know, Steve Lawson

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apparently had some sort of very inappropriate texting relationship with

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a young woman that could have been apparently for what

683
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I read, could have been his granddaughter e Ucky. But whatever,

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So what was the thing here? It is Steve Lawson

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was not a pastor, an elder, or even a member

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at Trinity Bible Church. Can you believe that Steve Lawson

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was not even a member of a local church.

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Steve Lawson's wrong doctrine that led him to have an

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inappropriate relationship with a younger woman was because he wasn't

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a member of a local church. That's the smoking gun.

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Now this raises questions. Let me make it very close.

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This does raise questions, right, like why how he's not

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a member of the church, then how could the elders

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of the church then do anything to Like this raises

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all kinds of question. I don't even know if any

696
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of this is true. Wait a minute, So he was.

697
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He worked with Ligonaire Ministries, he worked at a master

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seminary with MacArthur's School. He taught I guess Sunday after

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Sunday at Trinity Bible Church. Yet he wasn't really a pastor.

700
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:26.039
He wasn't even a member. He was just kind of

701
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:30.000
like I don't know, like just paid the paid speaker.

702
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:31.840
Like I don't even know what all this means.

703
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.880
Now, what this means is though, this just demonstrates the

704
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:39.079
celebrity nature of Christianity. Right, if you get enough celebrity status,

705
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:40.679
you can just get paid to go pre cheer and

706
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.199
go pre cheer. You don't have to be a member

707
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.039
of any church, you don't have to be even an

708
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:44.920
actual pastor.

709
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:45.519
You just go.

710
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.880
And if he's not an actual pastor, then how do

711
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.800
you hold him to the standards of a pastor?

712
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.639
Laid out in one Timothy.

713
00:39:51.280 --> 00:40:00.559
Three, if he's not an actual pastor. This raises a

714
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.079
million questions. Right by which standard are you going to

715
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:04.920
now you can go after that what he did is sinful.

716
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.039
I'm not excusing it. I'm just saying this raises so

717
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.239
many questions. But this is the celebrity culture within Christianity.

718
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.400
And let me make it very clear. I am sick

719
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.599
and tired of people on YouTube yelling and screaming about

720
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.880
celebrity culture within Christianity, and then they turn around and

721
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.079
promote either ministries where people have to pay in order

722
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:26.559
to get the teaching, or promote pastors that go to

723
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.239
conferences where people have to pay one hundred two hundred

724
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.119
dollars to get in. The conference industrial complex is why

725
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.159
you have celebrity pastors. When you pay money to get

726
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.719
into a building to hear someone preach the word of God,

727
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.800
you are claiming that you're paying not for the preaching

728
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.880
of God's word, you're paying for the celebrity. Get rid

729
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:50.000
of the conference culture and just have churches where people

730
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.400
preach and people get to come in and stop with

731
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.559
this conference nonsense where people pay money to hear their

732
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.000
favorite celebrity, and then you can start undermining the celebrity

733
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:03.280
culture of Christ. Stop wanting about celebrity culture if you're

734
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.239
going to do everything you can to promote it and

735
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.400
prop it up. All right, but that's a whole different subject.

736
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.239
All right, let him go a little bit further. But

737
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.559
you see, So the reason Steve Lawson fails because he

738
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:16.599
had the wrong doctrine about the local church. If you

739
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.719
don't have the right doctrine about the But who's doctrine about.

740
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:20.360
The church is right?

741
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.800
Is the Presbyterian view of a presbytery and its structure

742
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.280
is is a elder driven church? The right doctrine of

743
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.239
the church as a congregational led church, the right doctrine

744
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.119
as a pastor led which is the right is denominational? Right?

745
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:39.199
Is an independent whose doctrine is right about the local church? Well,

746
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.599
guess what if your doctrine is wrong about the church,

747
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:43.519
you're gonna fall in this in and you're gonna have

748
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.800
an inappropriate relationship with a younger woman.

749
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.960
Unless you follow the doctrine of a guy on YouTube.

750
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:48.639
Then I guess then.

751
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:56.840
I'll guess you. I don't even know what this is.

752
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.519
Does that sound strange to you? Steve Lost going around

753
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.599
preaching all these conferences, going across the world, across the country,

754
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.280
filling some of the slots and the biggest conferences in America.

755
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.400
And the man is not even a member of a

756
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:16.760
stinking local church. To sum it all up for you nicely,

757
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:23.159
this Trinity Bible Church, from what I'm reading here, hired

758
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.639
him to speak at the church, but did not require

759
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:34.239
he be a member and did not require that like that,

760
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.440
That's what was like. He was not a member anywhere.

761
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.599
From what I'm reading. The man didn't go to church.

762
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:44.480
He just preached professionally for a living, but was actually

763
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:50.039
under no ecclesiastical authority of any kind. That's it. That's

764
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:54.440
where he messed up, and that's why his his bad

765
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:59.000
doctrinal views on the local church resulted in him having

766
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.599
bad doctrine. Let's read this article here.

767
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.159
This is from now.

768
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:05.360
What he meant to say there is.

769
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.000
His wrong doctrine about the local church is what led

770
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.079
to his wrong morals. So if he would just said

771
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.679
the right doctrine of the right church about church, then

772
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.519
his morals would be good. You know, how many men

773
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.719
have fallen into sin who have the right doctrine about

774
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.199
the local church. I don't even know what you do.

775
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.039
What do you do with this, Ladies and gentlemen, what

776
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.440
do you do with it? I'm just gonna leave it

777
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:27.760
here because I don't know. I could play more, but

778
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.320
I don't want. I just want to leave it here.

779
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:30.559
I don't want to get into all of the other

780
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:32.199
issues because I don't want to get into the issues

781
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.760
about Steve Lawson. It's not about Steve Lawson. Steve Lawson

782
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:37.599
not being a member of the church. And there's lots

783
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.639
of videos out there about this, and it turns into, well,

784
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.480
he's just a paid preacher.

785
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:44.360
He's not a pastor.

786
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.199
And if he's not a pastor, then why does everyone

787
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.119
keep quoting scripture about what the requirements is for a pastor.

788
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:50.360
He wasn't a pastor.

789
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.440
To stop using that argument against him. He was a

790
00:43:54.480 --> 00:44:00.880
paid professional speaker and he spoke. Can condemn him as

791
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.559
a Christian? But then see, then the argument is, well,

792
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.280
then if Christians have right doctrine, well then they would

793
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.559
have right morals. But then what then, well, one who

794
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.280
gets to determine what the right doctrine is? And two,

795
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.199
if you say right doctrine fixes morals, then ladies and gentlemen,

796
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:20.239
your whole doctrine of sin is flawed. Therefore you're gonna

797
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.679
have wrong morals because your doctrine of sin is flawed

798
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:23.920
by that logic.

799
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.400
Is the This is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.

800
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.199
Now I can let me make it very clear, I

801
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.599
do not know if that is true about Steve laws

802
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.440
and not being a member, because it just seems weird, right,

803
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.039
It would just seem it would be the Trinity Bible

804
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:41.360
Church when they release their original statement, would be like, well,

805
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.639
Steve Lawson is no longer going to be preaching. He

806
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.719
wasn't a member here. We have no ecclesiastical authority over him,

807
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.800
but we're no longer going to be retaining his services

808
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.840
as a paid speaker because it's been found out that

809
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.679
he was doing whatever. All right, but you would not

810
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.760
be stating it like it's an ecclesiastical matter, like it's

811
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:00.880
a like it's a church.

812
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.360
It's not church discipline. He's not a member of the church.

813
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.199
You can't church discipline someone who's not a member of

814
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.320
the church, right, and if he's not a pastor, you

815
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.639
can't run to well, here's the requirements of it.

816
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:12.880
He is not a pastor.

817
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:14.960
He just a paid speaker.

818
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.880
So then I just this leads to a million questions

819
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.320
and how the story's even been covered and presented, right,

820
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.000
it just you can go have all of those arguments.

821
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.559
I'm I just don't know, Like what is this.

822
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.199
I wanted to respond under the comment section under this,

823
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.639
I'm like, this is a complete misunderstanding of the doctrine

824
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.440
of sin, but I decided not to because this is

825
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.719
one thing I've learned. Arguing with Christians is waste of time.

826
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.320
It is useless, It is meaningless because everyone thinks they're right,

827
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.000
everyone thinks their interpretation. It's useless. It would be more

828
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.599
beneficial for me to be taken over a tank of

829
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.760
sharks dropped into the water and ripped into shreds and

830
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.519
eaten and die. That would be better, more official, and

831
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.000
more useful than it would be an argument with Christians.

832
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.639
Because Christians I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right.

833
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.400
They all think they're right. So there's no point I

834
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.119
think i'm right, you think you're right. My interpretation is right,

835
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:11.480
you think your interpretation is right.

836
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:12.199
It's useless.

837
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:13.840
At least with the sharks, I would get to feed

838
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:22.679
the sharks. So I don't know what you do with that.

839
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.800
But that's the smoking gun that supposedly explains why he

840
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:30.639
fell into sin. He fell into sin because his doctrine

841
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.800
of the local church was wrong, not because he's a

842
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:41.440
man who has a sinful nature, has biological needs, biological wants,

843
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.679
has psychological needs, psychological wants, and found a way to

844
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.480
fulfill whatever which needever he was feeling in a way

845
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.960
that's contrary to God's word. But we can't just say

846
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.440
that because I guess somehow Christians don't have sinful natures,

847
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.119
don't have biological and psychological needs. I guess. I guess

848
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.840
we're just very one dimensional creatures, and we go from

849
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:05.599
a siner to now I'm not a sinner, and so

850
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.119
therefore I no longer have these desires of thoughts, which

851
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.239
is a complete misunderstanding not only of human of the

852
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:14.719
makeup of human beings in general. It's a complete erratic.

853
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:18.559
It's a complete misunderstanding of sinful nature. Now, I guess

854
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:23.039
if they're a Pelagian, maybe this pastor is a Pelagian.

855
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:28.239
Forget Semipalagianism. Maybe he's full blown Pelagian. But even in

856
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.960
the Pelagian system, is the Pelagian system simply that your

857
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.000
doctrine will be the one that determines your morals. Now,

858
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.519
now you've got em palagianism, complete free will. Well, then

859
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.920
what would impact your will? Does your psychology, does your nature?

860
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.679
Does your biology impact your will? So now we get

861
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.239
into a whole discussion about libertarian free will and how

862
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:51.000
free is the will? Is the will trapped somehow and

863
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.920
influenced by its by its the psychology and the biology

864
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.000
of the human being, and which that will is found.

865
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.480
Now we get into all has a very complicated issue.

866
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.000
But I we Christians don't like complicated. We just like

867
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.920
look at a pastor that we disagree with and like, well, ah,

868
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.039
his theology is what led him to fall into sin.

869
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.719
And I've seen that in a number of discussions about

870
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:18.400
civila his Calvinism. That's what Calvinism does. Calvinism leads you

871
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.840
to sin. If it wasn't a Calvinist, he would not sin.

872
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:25.840
Oh right, because non Calvinists never sin, Charismatics never sin.

873
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:32.119
Church of Christ never sin, Catholics never sin, Presbyterians never sin,

874
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:36.440
Free will Baptist never sin. I mean, give me a break.

875
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.920
We've seen scandal and sin in every denominational circle under

876
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.639
the assign Look at all the children sexually abused in churches,

877
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.599
there is an equal opportunity for it to occur, no

878
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:54.760
matter the doctrinal statement of the church, whether Catholic, Presbyterian, independent, Baptists,

879
00:48:54.800 --> 00:49:00.119
it doesn't matter because sin is universally in all of

880
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.440
us and we all do so. Am I saying right

881
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.159
doctrine doesn't matter, Well, you've never listened to me if

882
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.920
you think that doctrine matters immensely because it's about truth

883
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.800
and determining what God's word says and being true to it.

884
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.400
But right doctrine doesn't fix.

885
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:18.599
Your sinful nature.

886
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.679
It exposes it. It helps you be able to understand

887
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:29.360
it correctly condemned. It gives you information, It doesn't lead

888
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:36.079
to transformation of the nature. All right, you can tell

889
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.199
me what you think about all of that, and if

890
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.000
you want to do more research to find out if

891
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.280
it's true that Steve Lawson was or wasn't a member

892
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.679
of the church. I have another video about this I

893
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:49.639
haven't because this one gets his whole thesis is the

894
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.960
if he just had his doctrine right, it would fix everything.

895
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.360
There's another video that just goes into basically the whole

896
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.480
problem with him not being a member of the church

897
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:59.960
and not a pastor and not a member of the

898
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.599
he's under no ecclesiastical authority. That means that I don't

899
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:07.360
even know how you process that. Then, like, what, Well,

900
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.519
he was a sinner, Okay, he's he was just a

901
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:13.880
man who wasn't a pastor, who wasn't a member of

902
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.679
a church, who got paid to speak, who committed sin.

903
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.719
Now I'm not justifying the sin.

904
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.440
But then what how are you going to Well, he

905
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.800
should be dis disqualified from what from being paid to speak?

906
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:26.800
He's not a pastor?

907
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.519
What look, what are you gonna do? Well, he was

908
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:30.079
a minister.

909
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.719
Okay, well, but he was a minister under no ecclesiastical authority.

910
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.519
Like so, like, how do you? That raises a million questions?

911
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:39.079
If true?

912
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:41.400
Let me stress stress if true. I don't know if

913
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:43.400
it's true. I don't really care to get into it.

914
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.599
But it does raise the question, well, why was he

915
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.800
being paid to go to this conference, in this conference,

916
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.719
in this conference where people paid money to go in

917
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:54.239
to hear not a pastor, but to hear a man

918
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.599
who's paid to speak because of celebrity, And well that

919
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:00.440
and guess what, guess what contributes to the celebrity culture.

920
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.199
The very thing that I keep condemning, and whenever I

921
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:06.440
condemn the conference industrial complex, everyone gets mad at me.

922
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:07.360
Don't get mad at me.

923
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.639
You want to spend two hundred dollars to go support

924
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.519
your you know, your favorite celebrity pastor, and you pay

925
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.000
to get into a church to hear the word of

926
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.360
God preach, then go ahead. But there's that's all of

927
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:19.239
that's contrary to the Word of God. So maybe your

928
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.719
entire doctrine is wrong. Oh wait, that's going to lead

929
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:26.599
you to sin. See how that works? And again, am

930
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:32.400
I right? Or it just it's I give up. But

931
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.360
in the meantime, Colorado is playing Texas Tech, and I'm

932
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.960
just going to be very honest with you as a pastor.

933
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.400
I want to see that game. I desire to see

934
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:45.800
that game. And you know what, I really at this

935
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:47.360
very moment, I'm just going to be honest with you.

936
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.119
I want to see that game more than I want

937
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.559
to read my Bible. I want to see that game

938
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more than I really want to listen to preaching right now.

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I want to see that game more than I want

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to pray. Right now, I'm just going to be very

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honest with you, because I'm a fleshly human being, just

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like everyone in your church is, including your pastor. I'm

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not excusing your sin or my sin. I'm saying that

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we have to somehow learn how to process a reality

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that Christians constantly want to pretend doesn't exist. Thanks for listening, Godless,