Sept. 24, 2024

Was David Permanently Disqualified?

Was David Permanently Disqualified?

A look at King David and the consequences of his sin

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A look at King David and the consequences of his sin

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Well, everyone, I'm

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refusing to use the word good. I'm just refusing. I'm

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I'm I don't know if I'm ever going to use

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the word ever again other than I tell you I'm

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not going to use the word. But I'm not going

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to use the word to say good morning or good afternoon,

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or good evening or good night because nothing is good

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right now. Okay, maybe that's maybe that's exaggerating it too much.

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Maybe for the most of you, you've already moved on

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with your life and you're not even worried about it

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and it doesn't bother you. But I am still bothered

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greatly by everything that is taking place. So instead of

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saying good morning, I will just say it is Tuesday,

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September twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. It is currently eleven

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twenty two am Central time, and I am coming to

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you live from the Theology Central studio located right here

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in Abilene, Texas. Now, as Christians, I believe what I'm

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about to say should be agreed upon by everyone who

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claims to be a Christian. I think everyone should be

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able to agree with what I'm going to say. Now,

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I know that's a very rare thing to say everyone

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should be able to agree because most of the time

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I will tell you, hey, what I'm about to say,

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no one's going to agree with. I'm going to be

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in the minority of the minority of the minority. I

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may actually be the only one. Usually I present things

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that way. But in this particular case, what I'm about

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to say, I think everyone should be able to agree with.

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And that is this as believers, as Christians, we should

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always respond to things biblically versus emotionally. We have to say,

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aside our emotions and look at things from the perspective

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of the text. Setting aside our emotions, our feelings, our opinions,

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our personal thoughts. We have to get ourselves out of

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the way and say, okay, here's the situation. Now. We

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can't deny that we have feelings and that we have emotions,

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and that we have opinions. We can't deny that because

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we're human beings, right. But we have to realize, as

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a Christian, it's the Bible that matters. It's not our feelings,

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it's not our opinions, it's not even our thoughts, it's

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what does the Word of God say about this particular situation. Well, whenever,

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whenever a famous pastor or a well known pastor, or

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a prominent pastor falls into some kind of great sin,

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and there's public scandal and humiliation and speculation and gossip

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and slander and all the other things that are going

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on as a result of the sin. Almost if you

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listen to the words and listen to people talk and

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read what people are saying, you hear so much it's

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coming from a position of emotion or opinion. It's not

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really scripture based. It's not really focused on the text. Now,

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they may be utilizing scripture, they may throw out a

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scripture here or there, but it's still being driven by emotion.

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In other words, instead of the text driving the conversation,

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it's emotion. It's their own personal feelings. It's their own

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personal emotion. And that drives me crazy because as Christians,

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we're supposed to be no, it's scripture and scripture alone.

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Scripture is the final authority. But what we have to realize,

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as much as we say that, I say it all

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the time, the reality is when it comes to practice,

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scripture is rarely the authority. It's our own personal personal feelings,

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it's our own personal emotions, and so everyone will start

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throwing things out. They will claim that their ideas are

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coming from scripture, but in reality it's not even close

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to what the scriptures actually say. So when a pastor

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falls into some prominent sin, inevitably people will start talking about, well, now,

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because he said this, this, this, this, this has to

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be the consequence, as if scripture gives us a clear list,

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and people will start making claims and saying this is

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the way it must work, and some and they'll try

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to quote a scripture, but inevitably, sometimes I think it's

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a complete misuse of scripture. And there is one place,

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there is one subject that almost always arises when a

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pastor falls into sin, and evitably someone's going to start

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talking about King David. David's Grayson. We all know David

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committed grayson, he committed adultery, he tried to cover up

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that adultrey, and he had the woman's husband murdered. Right,

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we know all about how that went down, and everyone

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you've heard millions of sermons on it. So whenever a

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pastor falls into sin, inevitably, King David gets mentioned, and

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for some they mentioned it in a lot of different ways,

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but this is a very common way. King David is

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brought into the discussion of pastors who fall into sin.

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Let me read this to you. This is underneath a

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report about this famous pastor who everyone's talking about, who

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has fallen into sin inevitably. This is what someone says,

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All right, while your sins are forgivable, thank God that

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God forgives all manner of sins, you must accept your consequences,

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which does include permanent disqualification from your church office. The

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church doesn't owe you a job, all right, So immediately, Hey,

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God will forgive all your sins. But there's consequences. Now,

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who gets to lay out those consequences. Well, in many

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cases people think they can tell you what the consequences

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are and what is the most go to thing. Well,

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and again, now what's interesting is, Okay, you can commit

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these sins which don't disqualify you, but there are some

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sins that are disqualifyabull right, and so they have a

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list of these are the sins that are disqualifiable. These

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are the sins where you're still qualified, so you can

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commit you can be in sin twenty four hours a day,

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seven days a week. Because we all are right when

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we've talked about it a million times, I'm not gonna

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I know I have to continue to repeat myself because

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so many people have never heard this concept. But let

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me just state it again. Everyone in the congregation, everyone

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behind a pulpit, are in sin twenty four hours a day,

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seven days a week. God tells you to be holy

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as He is holy. You are never that. You're in

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a perpetual state of sin. God tells you to be

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perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. You never do that.

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You're in a perpetual state of sin. God tells you

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to love him with all his heart, mind, body, and soul.

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You never do that. You're in a perpetual s I

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could go on and on and on and on and on.

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So Church is already weird about this. You can commit

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all of these sins over and over and over and

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over and over and over and over and over, and

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you're qualified. You commit this sin, you're disqualified forever because

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there's consequences. Hey, God may forgive you. God may wash

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away your sin. As far as the east is from

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the west. It may be covered in the blood of

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Jesus Christ, you are forgiven. But but but but wait

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wait wait wait wait wait wait, there's still consequences, and

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they get to list what the consequences are and inevitably

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to support this idea that hey, you're permanently disqualified forever.

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Here's where they go to. Are you ready, here's the quote,

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David wasn't able to build the temple because his sin

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disqualified him from faith leadership. David's sins disqualified him from

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faith leadership. Now that's a that's a common idea. You

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hear it all the time. David wasn't able to build

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the temple because he was disqualified from faith leadership. And

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then they take from that, they extrapolate from that supposed

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fact and then say, well, now we will now bring

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that from King David over to now the modern situation.

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And if a pastor falls into sin, he's disqualified from

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faith leadership because David was disqualified from faith leadership. As

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if what happened to David is the prescription for what

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must be applied to pastors today. But by that logic,

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I guess their child should die. Right, So, once again

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we're taking a historical narrative that's descriptive and making it prescriptive.

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But let's go with the idea. Let's go with this, Okay,

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David wasn't allowed to build the temple because of his sins? Well,

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I just want you to know that not everyone agrees

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with this concept. Here's one source. The claim that David

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was not allowed to build the temple because of his

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sin is not entirely accurate based on the Biblical account. Remember,

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leave your emotions aside. Leave your emotions aside. You may feel,

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you may believe, Hey, David wasn't able to build the temple.

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I feel it was because of his sin. This disqualifies

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every pastor who commits the same sin. Now, if you're

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gonna say it commits the same sin, is it just

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the sexual part or is it the murder part? Right?

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Is it the sexual part he committed adultery or was

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it the fact that he had the woman's husband killed?

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Which part disqualified him both? Well? What does the text say? Well,

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David did commit serious sins, such as adultery with Bathsheba

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and arranging the death of her husband Uryah. The Bible

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attributes different reason for why David was not permitted to

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build the temple. In First Chronicles, chapter twenty eight, Verse three,

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David explains that God told him you are not to

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build a house for my name because you are a

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warrior and have shed blood. The emphasis is on David's

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history as a man of war and bloodshed, not specifically

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on his sins. The task of building the temple was

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passed to his son Solomon, who would reign in a

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time of peace. But let's make it very clear, Solomon

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who built. It's so weird. David wasn't allowed to build

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the temple because David was a really really really really

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you know, bad sinner. So he was permanently disqualified from

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faith leadership. Ladies and gentlemen, what do we call Solomon?

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What do we call when you have a thousand women?

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First of all, clear a polygamist? And then you I think,

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by any basic definition, a serial adulterer. Oh and he

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became an idolatr. Now, someone said, well that came after

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he started he started getting women relatively pretty quick in

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the story. Now, you can try to you can try

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to verify how quickly was Solomon. How quickly was Solomon

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starting to obtain women plural in relation to him building

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the temple? How many women did he already have when

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he started the building of the temple, was he not

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disqualified from faith leadership. So while david sins had significant,

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significant consequences in his life, the biblical reason for him

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not being allowed to build the temple is his role

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as a warrior, not specifically because of his sin. Now

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that immediately goes against what people are and I've seen

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it over and do it. Well, David wasn't allowed to

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build a temple because of his David wasn't allowed. David

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wasn't allowed, And he's like and the person who was

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was doing what And even even if you try to

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say First Chronicles twenty I'm gonna read it from a

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different translation First Chronicles twenty eight twenty eight three than

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verse three. But God said to me, you shall not

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build a house for my name, because you have been

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a man of war and have shed blood. Well, that

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hasn't right there, That hasn't it. Even if you want

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to say, well, David couldn't build because of his sin,

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well the sin there would be killing, murder, not not

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anything to do with his adultery. So you can't run

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and go well, see, David was disqualified because he committed adultery.

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There's the text does not even hint at that. But

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let's but we seem to forget this. When David was

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told his son would build the temple, what does God

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immediately do? Basically, David is told, Hey, your son is

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going to be the one who builds the temple. God what? God?

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What does God almost immediately do? He tells David, Hey,

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I have something even better for you than building a

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temporal temple. I'm going to do something better for you.

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I'm going to establish an everlasting covenant. Your son may

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get to build a temporal temple that's going to be destroyed.

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I'm going to establish a covenant with you that will

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never be broken. When God told David that his son

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would build the temple, he did immediately follow that by

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establishing something even greater with David, the Davidic Covenant, which

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has eternal significance. This covenant is laid out in Second

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Samuel seven eleven through sixteen. You can go look in

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our series on Eschatology. We've been talking about the Davidic Covenant.

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And I've met this so many times. People will say, well,

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David didn't get to build the temple, see because he

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was a sinner. Well, that's not even what the text says.

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But even if you go with that concept. Oh so

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God is like, hey, hey, David, you can't build the

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temple because you're such a great center. Oh but wait,

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I've got something better for you than building the temple.

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I'm gonna establish an eternal covenant with you. Like like, oh,

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the whole thing just drives me crazy. Hey. Uh. This

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covenant is laid down a second Samuel seven eleven through sixteen,

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where God promises David that he will establish David's house

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and kingdom forever. And verse twelve of this section, God

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says that after David's days days are fulfilled, his offspring

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Solomon will build the temple. But immediately after that, in

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verse thirteen, God says, I will establish the throne of

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his kingdom forever. Then in verse sixteen, he reaffirms his promise,

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your house and your kingdom will endure forever. Before me,

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your throne will be established for Hey, David is supposedly disqualified,

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but God makes an everlasting covenant with him. Hey, David,

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your throne will be established forever. The throne of the

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adulterer and murderer is going to be established forever. But hey,

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he's supposedly disqualified. The dividic covenant points forward to something

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much more enduring than the physical temple, a lineage leading

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to the Messiah Jesus, whose reign would be eternal. While

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the temple Solomon built was eventually destroyed and rebuilt, God's

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promise of an eternal kingdom through David's line is fulfilled

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in Christ. The contrasts the temporal nature of the temple

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with the eternal nature of God's covenant with David. Everybody's

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David was disqualified. God was done with him. Oh, he

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just turned around and just made an eternal covenant with him.

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The temple was important, but God's promise to David about

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the everlasting kingdom is far more significant, showing that God

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obviously had a much greater plan in mind. So then

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I started thinking about it. Okay, According to some David

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was disqualified from faith leadership, That's the argument. So I

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was like, okay, well, after David's great sin, what were

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some of the spiritual things God used David to do? All? Right?

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Because after David's great sin with Bathsheba and the orchestrated

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death of Uriah, David experienced deep consequences both personal and national.

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Yet God continued to use David in significant spiritual ways

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after this period, demonstrating his grace and David's repentance. Now

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everyone seems to forget this. Hey, no, it's like, Okay,

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David committed the sin. There was public scandal, and then

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it was announced on you know, social media, David has

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been removed from all spiritual leadership because David has disqualified himself.

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And everyone then takes that and it extrapolates that and says,

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this is the way you should work in the church. Again.

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You're you're taking your You're doing all kinds of just

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hermeneutical gymnastics to try to pull this off. All right,

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So what are some of the things David did well?

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He Even though David was not allowed to build the

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temple himself, he was instrumental in preparing for its construction.

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He gathered materials, He organized the levites and the priest. Hey,

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David organized the levites into their various duties for temple service,

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assuring a smooth structure for worship in the Temple to

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come as first Chronicles twenty three through twenty six. So

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David is even organizing the spiritual leadership that will take place.

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He encourages Solomon. David passed on the David passed on

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the charge to Solomon to build the temple and gave

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him detailed instructions regarding its construction. He encouraged his son

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to be faithful to God's commands. Oh, and then everyone

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seems to forget this one. Hey, he's removed from faith leadership. Well,

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David continued to compose psalms and lead the people and worship.

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His later psalms reflect themes of trust in God despite

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the hardship he faced. Psalms like Psalm thirty two celebrate

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the joy of forgiveness, showing David's deepened spiritual maturity after

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his sin. He literally was writing the hymn book. He

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was writing the hymn book. But hey, hey, he was

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removed from faith leadership. He's writing the hymn book, the

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inspired hymn book. Like you would have to say, hey,

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that's not being removed. That's not being removed from faith

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leadership in any way, shape or form. So I already

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that bothers me, just the way people place it. Everyone

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seems to forget. The man who committed great sin was

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then used by God, not only to God used him

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to establish a covenant. But God also allowed him to

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continue to write inspired scripture. That doesn't sound like someone

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removed from faith leadership. And then we see the same

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thing in Solomon, Solomon's adultery, Solomon's polygamy. He's still used

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by God to write inspired scripture. Now, some people say, well, well, well,

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but a pastor is not King David, a pastor is

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not Solomon. I completely agree with you, but you can't

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then say well, your pastor is not David, your pastor

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is not Solomon, but then try to take from David

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and try to say, well, David wasn't allowed to build

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the temple, and then take from that, and then try

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to then say now I'm gonna I'm gonna take that

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and then place that on the pastor, like you've got

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to make up your mind. Right, if the pastor is

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not David, well, then don't take David's supposed punishment that

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you already misrepresent and say, well, now I'm gonna take

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from that extrapolate the consequences a pastor must face. You're

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just allowing your emotions and your feelings and your opinions

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to override the word of God. You may not like

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that the word of God does not give us more

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specific details. Look, I wish that there was a chapter.

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I said, Hey, whenever you sin, forget being a pastor,

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whenever you sin, this is exactly what must happen. Whenever

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that person's in, this is exactly and gives us this great, wonderful, beautiful,

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detailed list and makes it clear. And then everything is

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wonderful and everything is awesome. But it doesn't work that way.

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It does not work that way. I wish it did,

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but it does not work that way. All right, So

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David continued to compose psalms and lead the people in worship.

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He let his later psalms reflect themes of trust in God.

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Psalm thirty two celebrates the joy of forgiveness, showing David's

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deep in spiritual maturity. After his sin, David was instrumental

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in organizing the worship practices of Israel, particularly the role

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of music and worship. He appointed skilled musicians and leevites

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to lead worship, which became central to Israel's spiritual life.

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First Chronicles twenty five. He was establishing worship practices even

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after his great sin. I don't know why. It's like

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modern day Christians just put their hands over their ears

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are like no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

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David was removed, David was done, David was finished, and

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now we're going to take that and we're going to

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apply that to anyone and everyone. That's not the way

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it works, all right. That we can't. We just can't.

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We can't do it that way, all right, right next,

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David continued to trust in God for military victories and

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national leadership. Even in times of hardship and reals rebellions,

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such as during his son Absolute Absolum's revolt. David sought

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God's guidance and displayed remarkable humility and reliance on the Lord.

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David continued to pray for the nation and interceded on

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behalf of the people as tewod Samuel twenty four. When

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david census resulted in a plague as a punishment from God,

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David pleaded for mercy for Israel, offering sacrifices and interceding

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for the people, which ultimately led to the cessation of

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the plague. He was even he was interceding, he was

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offering sacrifices, he was still in spiritual leadership. I mean,

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everyone seems to forget that David was operating at a

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time under the only way to describe it as a

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theocratic monarchy. He was very much in a place of

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not only political and civil leadership, he was very much

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in a place of spiritual leadership as well. But everyone

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just seems to forget that, just seems to forget that,

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and wants to just throw everyone out because of David,

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even though they're misrepresenting what happened. Towards the end of

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his life, David set up plans for the continued governance

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of Israel by ensuring that Solomon would take the throne.

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He gave instructions to Solomon and how to follow God

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faithfully and lead the people righteously. Well, why would David

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be giving information about how to follow God faithfully and

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lead people righteously. I mean he sinned. Once you sin, you,

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I guess you should never be able to lead, to

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teach how how to follow God or how to lead

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people rights lead people righteously. I guess David should have

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never been able to talk teach again, never be able

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to instruct, never be able to give advice. He should

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just be finished. He committed a great sin. David should

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have been taken to the edge of a cliff thrown off.

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They should have covered his body in rocks. They should

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have deleted him from everything, and he should have never

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been found or mentioned again. And for crying out loud,

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he should have been writing scripture. That's the way the

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church wants to approach it. That's not the way God

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approached it. Now, you could argue, why, how come? It's

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just that's the way. That's the way it happened. David's

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life after his great sin remained a testimony of God's

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grace and his ongoing faithfulness. He set a spiritual example

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of humility and repentance, and his devotion to God left

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a lasting impact on Israel. His legacy is seen throughout

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Scripture as he is referred to as a man after

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God's own heart Acts Chapter thirteen, not because he was perfect,

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but because of his genuine devotion and repentance. I will

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say it's because he believed in God, and that's accredited

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unto him for righteousness. It's because of imputed righteousness. But okay,

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in all these ways, David continued to serve God spiritually

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after his sin. He continued to serve God spiritually after

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his sin, illustrating that while sin has consequences. God's grace

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can restore and continue to use a repentant heart. Now,

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am I taking that and making an excuse that a

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pastor can commit any sin and there should be no problems?

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Not saying that. I think every situation is unique, Every

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situation is different, and every situation has to be looked upon.

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Every situation needs to be great consideration. It requires wisdom,

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it requires uh in some cases, consensus, especially within a church.

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How does the church feel about it? How do they

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think about it? There's lots of factors that go into it.

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Put it this way, sin, I think this is the

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best way to explain it. Sin always makes things very, very,

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very very complicated. It always creates great problems that in

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many cases there aren't easy answers to. We've talked about

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it a million times, depending on your view of and

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again there's not always agreement agreement on this. If a

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person is married, they get divorced and they get remarried,

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depending on how that goes down, because some will believe, well,

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divorce and remarriage is allowed and these circumstances, some will

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say it's not allowed in these circumstances. Some people will

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say it's never allowed But no matter the situation, it's

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almost inevitably that in every single church there's most likely

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someone who was divorced, who was married, divorced, remarried, and

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now by scriptural definition, they're living in adultery. Well, what

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do you do? What do you do? How do you

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approach that? Do you tell them be celibate? Well, most

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won't follow that, because every time they're together, they're committing adultery.

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Most people ignore that. So how should the church handle it?

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Do you let them take the Lord's supper? Do you

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exercise church discipline? Or do you just let them sit

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there and go on about the business. Typically churches don't

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do anything about it because if you do, what do

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you do? It becomes very difficult and ugly. Can we

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just admit to ourselves? Can we just admit to ourselves

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that sin is a very sin makes things complicated, It

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makes things very difficult, It makes things sometimes very uncomfortable.

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I'm not excusing anyone sin. I'm not. I cannot speak

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to the situation of this famous pastor who's been removed

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because I don't know all the details, and it's not

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for me to know the details. I don't even want

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to know the details. But here's what I can say.

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We can't go look at a situation, run to King

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David and then say, oh well well wait wait wait

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David wasn't allowed to build the temple. Well, see that

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proves a pastor has to be removed permanently from ministry.

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That's you. That that is not that's not even decent application,

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much less interpretation. Because David was prevented from building the

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temple because of war, because of killing, not because of adultery.

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God doesn't even mention the adultery there. In fact, whenever

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God gets ready to establish the Davidic covenant, he doesn't

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mention it. In fact, when you read on and on

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and on after David's great sin, does God even ever

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bring it back up? Does God ever mention it again?

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When David is spoken of, is it's spoken of? Well,

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David was a man, but he committed this sin. David

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wasn't but he committed David. No, it's almost as if

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the sin just was, I don't know, forgiven and gone

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and moved on. Now, some people say, well that's not fair.

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Well I can agree that in some ways it's not fair.

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A man was murdered, a man was killed, so why

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was David just allowed to continue on? Well? Why was

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David just allowed to continue on? Well? That's the thing

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about God's grace that sometimes can be troubling to people,

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right because there's times you're like, well, wait a minute, God,

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why is that person allowed to continue? Why do you

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speak so highly of that person even though they committed

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this sin, this sin and this sin? Because in many

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cases God speaks of people not on the basis of

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their actions, but on the basis of their faith. And

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because of their faith, they're declared to be righteous even

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though they are not. That's the whole concept of imputed righteousness. Now,

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I'm not excusing anything. Everyone will take this as I'm excused.

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I'm not excusing. I just know people sin all the time,

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and pastors sin. And now, as the people of God,

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we are sinners, were led by sinners. We have to

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have a better way of coping with the fact that

461
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we're all sinners. I'm not saying we excuse things, but

462
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I think we have to have a different approach. All right.

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Can you hear that sound in the background. I don't

464
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know if you can hear that. Downstairs on the kitchen table,

465
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there's a phone. That phone has been now going off

466
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for twenty nine minutes. I don't know if it's an alarm.

467
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I don't know if it's I don't know what it is,

468
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but it's been it's been going up for twenty nine

469
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minutes and that, and it's been absolutely maddening to try

470
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to talk to you, Well that's going on, Well, that's

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going on. But the only way I can use it

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as I'm gonna use it as an illustration. I don't

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know if you can hear that sound. That sound for

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this illustration represents the reality of sin, the reality of

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00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.799
sin in your church, the reality of sin in your

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00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.000
pastor's life, the reality of sin in your Sunday school

477
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.880
teacher's life, your deacons, your elders, and your own life,

478
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and your spouse's life, and your children's life. Hear that

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it's just going on continually. It's sin is just continually happening.

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It just goes on and on and on. It never ends.

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Sin never ends. And what the church likes to do

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is we like to talk over it and drown it

483
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out and act as if it's not happening. And sometimes

484
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we can talk so loud, and we can look so good,

485
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and we can do everything so right that we kind

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of forget about that the sin is happening, that the

487
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sin is happening. And then sometimes the sound starts getting

488
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louder and we can hear it, and if it starts interrupting,

489
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and all of a sudden, boom, someone branks the volume

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to a hundred and it drowns out everything we're doing,

491
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and now it's scandal, and nobody's like, oh no, And

492
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sometimes the church doesn't know what to do. Look, whether

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the sound is quiet and no one's really paying attention

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to it, or whether the sound is at a hundred,

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it's the same reality sin. And the only answer is

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faith in Christ and imputed righteousness, imputed righteousness, and that

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we are declared to be righteous, and that the blood

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of Christ, the blood of Jesus Christ, washes away all sin.

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Now I'm not saying that means we just ignore it.

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We have to look at the situation and we have

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to go, hmm, okay, what should we do in this situation?

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How should we handle it? What's a correct approach? I

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just know David committed horrible sin and God used him,

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He established a eternal covenant with him. He he literally

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was used to write and inspired scripture in a sense,

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he led worship, he set up the worship practices, all

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those things that we mentioned. I could probably find a

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lot more. David the sinner was doing those things. David

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the sinner he remained king. God did not remove him

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from being king. He let him remain king and a

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theocratic monarchy. He let him remain in a sense king.

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Now you can say, but there was this problem, and

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this problem, this problem, and a lot of times every problem,

514
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people want to go back and say, well, that's a

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result of the sin. Now, sometimes I think we were

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reading that into the text. If the text says it's

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the result of the sin, then okay. But like everyone says,

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David was not allowed to build the temple because of sin,

519
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it was because he was a warrior in a sense,

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he had shed blood. So even if you want to

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apply that to David sin, it would just be the

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murdering of Uriah. But David did not actually do that

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with his own hands. He just set it up. So

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I think we have to consider, and we can't forget

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everyone's like, well David was removed. Yeah, but Solomon didn't

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Solomon take David's sexual sin. And he's like, hey, hey, hey,

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let me show you how it's really done. And and

528
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Solomon also killed people, right, we called remember we did

529
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.799
an entire what two or three parts on Solomon as

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David's hitman. Right? Remember that? And you said, well, why

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would God not let him? And then let him? That's

532
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always the thing about God's grace. It's sometimes it's bizarre

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or like you like in some cases like well, wait

534
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a minute, why didn't God punish this person? Why God

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will have mercy and whom he will have mercy, whole

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judgment and whom he will have a judgment. We can't.

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We God doesn't necessarily operate in the way we think

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he should. Now, do you hear that? The phone went silent?

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In my mind, that's what God's grace does. That's what

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God's imputed righteousness does. It's silence the sound of sin

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because it's been washed away. I'm covered in the perfect

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righteousness of Christ. I wish that's the way it was,

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that it was just all of our sin is gone.

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But I know in reality we're going to continue to sin. Positionally,

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the sound is the sound of sin has been turned off.

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There is no more sin. I'm perfect. I wish in practice,

547
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I could be perfect, but I can't. Whether it's a king,

548
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:56.679
whether it's a pastor whether it's a podcaster, they are

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all sinners and they're leading sinners. Am I not excusing

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00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.920
anyone's sin. I'm not excusing it. Everyone always accuses me

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00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:15.360
of that. I'm not excusing. I understand every but I

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think every circumstance is different, and every circumstance has to

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be looked at and then the best decisions have to

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be made. But I just think just because someone has

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committed some great sin doesn't mean they still can't be

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utilized to teach and find a way, in many cases

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to be very beneficial to the very people of God,

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because those people of God are sinners, so having a

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sinner help them understand sin sometimes can be very beneficial.

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David was still used by God to teach. When you're

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writing inspired scripture, you're teaching. He was giving advice, he

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was teaching, he was setting up worship practice, all the

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things he was doing after his sin. So to just

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post on the Internet that David was removed from all

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you know, from all faith leadership, it's just a complete

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misrepresentation to say that David was removed from building or

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00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.400
was kept from building the temple because of his sin.

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It's just a misrepresentation of the biblical text. And you

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know why the people do that, because they're trying to

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figure out how do we deal with this sin? And

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Christians have a hard time knowing what to do, so

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00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:31.079
we just grab passages and throw them at circumstances. In

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many cases, it's a misapplication. All right, I apologize for

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that phone in the background makes me very angry because

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this is a very serious subject. But hopefully I used

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it in a way that will be somewhat you'll be

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00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.280
able to remember it. Sin is this just continuing sound

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in the background. It never goes away because our sin

579
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never goes away. And sometimes it gets loud because we

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commit that sin that everyone calls a big sin, and

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then we don't know what to do. But what brings

582
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.599
silence is to remember that it's the blood of Christ,

583
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:15.400
it's his imputed righteousness that silence that sound. So when

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you hear people talking about this controversy, the scandal, and

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00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.199
they start throwing around David, please just try to ensure

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that they speak of David correctly and they think about

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00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:31.039
it logically and they don't forget who came after David

588
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:36.400
and what that man was doing, and that man was

589
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:40.039
still used, he was able to remain king the entire

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00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.119
time until his death, and that that man was used

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00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.960
by God to write inspired scripture and to remain a

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king under a theocratic monarchy. Yeah, while engaging and never

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ending sin of a sexual nature. Like I don't, how

594
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do we not get around that? So then what some

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00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.599
people will say, Well, they were the Old Testament, so

596
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.559
that doesn't count because they didn't have the spirit. Well, remember,

597
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King David obviously had the spirit because in his confession

598
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.239
he's like, take not your spirit from me. So he

599
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:20.039
had his spirit and still committed sin, which seems to

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00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.440
indicate that having the spirit is no guarantee that you

601
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.639
won't sin. Oh wait, we're all as Christians and dwelt

602
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:29.360
by the Holy Spirit, yet we continually sin, seemingly to

603
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.360
indicate that the spirit is no guarantee that we will

604
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.960
never sin, since we're continually in sin. Yeah, Christians just

605
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:41.679
say crazy things without ever thinking them through, sometimes mind boggling.

606
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.559
All right, we'll stop right there again. I apologize for

607
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.039
the phone in the background. I hope you couldn't even

608
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hear it. I'm hoping if you did well, then my

609
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.880
illustration makes sense. If you didn't hear it, then my

610
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.280
illustration makes no sense, and I just sound like I'm crazy,

611
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:03.639
So no way of knowing. That's probably the if I.

612
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:07.519
If I broadcasted wearing headphones like you'll see many podcasters do,

613
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.079
because they're they're you know, they're monitoring their voice, they're

614
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:14.880
monitoring the sound. I I can't stand that. I hate

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00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.039
hearing myself in my I I hate I hate that.

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So I don't wear any headphones so I can't hear

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what you're necessarily hearing, which in some ways to me,

618
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.320
is better. Or I would be I'd be worried about

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00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.320
I already worried about every sound, but then I would

620
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:38.079
even be more so. So all right, thanks for listening everyone,

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have a great day. God bless