Aug. 25, 2024

Therefore Pt 1

Therefore Pt 1

We begin our journey through the book of Romans looking at every use of the word therefore

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We begin our journey through the book of Romans looking at every use of the word therefore

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All right, Book of Romans. Sometimes I come up with

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these great ideas. Then I realized these ideas are more

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complicated than I may be ready to handle.

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But we're going to do our very best.

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One of the things that's gonna make this I'm not

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gonna say difficult, but it's gonna make it a little frustrating,

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is obviously when I came up with this idea, I

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kind of forgot we no longer have internet connection here,

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because we're going to be getting.

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You know, a lot into the Greek, a lot of this, and.

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It's always much easier when everyone can just do what

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look up the blue letter Bible app You see the transliteration,

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you see how it's spelled, you see the outline.

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Of biblical usage. You see it all right, you see

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it all, and it's great.

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I can I can hit play, and you can hear

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how it's supposed to be pronounced, every everything.

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It just makes it easier, right, makes it a lot easier.

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Because when you get into the language, unless a pastor

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has decided to pursue a degree in either Hebrew or Greek,

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I mean, you all know how a language works. You

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can learn a language, right, I've taken Greek. I've taken Hebrew,

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I've taken Latin. But you take it.

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And unless you do what, unless you speak it, unless you.

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Speak it, all you may be able to do is

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to go, oh, that's what that word is?

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This word, right, that word is this word. You may

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be able to do that.

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You may know some of the basic rules about how

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the Greek language works, or the Hebrew language or Latin.

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You may have some basics down, but unless you're utilizing

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it all the time, you don't, right, And it's not

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like I'm reading from a Greek New Testament or anything

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along those lines, right, So therefore it can be it

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can be a little difficult. Most of the time you're

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just referencing the Greek for one thing or two things.

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You know, you're very very basic. But remember what we're doing.

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Is this idea all started because what three or four

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in the morning, I'm listening to something and the person

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speaking talks about all their force in the Book of Romans,

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and I was like, oh, that's an interesting concept. I

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wonder how many there are and we looked it up

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depending on your translation, somewhere between twenty seven to thirty three.

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I'm like, well, that's awesome, that's a lot of their fors.

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And we were in the Book of Romans, and then

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we took that long detour for Long Gospel, over one

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hundred hours of that.

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Well, we could ease.

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Back into the Book of Romans by going through the

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entire Book of Romans and simply looking at all the

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their force.

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So that seemed great.

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That's a great idea.

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Doesn't that sound great? This sounds great?

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And then we discovered, wait a minute, there's at least

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at a minimum four Greek words that are translated therefore,

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and so what's the obvious question?

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Why four different Greek words?

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And then what we discovered is that each one has

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its own specific.

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Little nuance and focus, and it can change how we

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are to interpret each.

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Therefore, now we spent over an hour looking at the

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Greek words for each one and the difference of each one.

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I'm not going to go back and review them. Here's

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what we're about to do. So this is how this

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is going to work. We are going to now start

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working through every their four for each Therefore, guess what

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I will remind you of what the Greek word is

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a little bit about its its specific focus, right, and

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then we'll move to the next one. Now, as I

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started working through the there furce, I already discovered that

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one of the there furs is not from one of

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those four Greek words. There's another Greek word, and I'm

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I guess I knew it, but I didn't think about

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it so well, well, I should have done talked about

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that last week, but or the week before. But we'll

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talk about it when we get there. Okay, it's it's

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And what makes this one very frustrating is that I'm

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a part of the Greek word is pronounced exactly like

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one of the Greek words we've already looked at. It's

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pronounced almost identical, but it's it's put together with another

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Greek word, so it's kind of like a compound word.

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And so we'll we'll put all that together. Right, So

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we're gonna go through this. Now, how this is going

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to work, I don't know. Put it this way, we

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got what between twenty seven to thirty something passages to

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look at, right, and we're gonna and what we're gonna

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do for each Therefore, what are we.

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Going to attempt to do for each there four?

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We're gonna try to figure out I mean, simply put

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what is it's there for? Right, So we're gonna try

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to understand it's significant.

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Now what does that mean? We're gonna have to try

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to figure out once we find.

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The there for, what comes before? What comes after? What

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is the significance of the there for? So we're gonna

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have to be looking at large sections.

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Does that make sense?

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So I and so it may come across as tedious,

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but what's what's the end result? Hopefully, by the time

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we're done with all the their furs, you're gonna have

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once again a what you're gonna have a You're gonna

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have a very this is the goal. You're gonna have

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great insight to every transitional section in the Book of Romans.

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So by the time you're done, you should have a

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greater understanding of Romans than when we started. And we've

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already spent years working through Romans verse by verse, and

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we made it all the way up to chapter ten,

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so you already should have a good understanding.

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This is only going to build upon that.

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But the key is, by the time we're done with this,

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you should know every transitional hinge, which that a section

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of Romans turns upon or opens upon.

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Right, and if you do that, then you should be

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able to put the.

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Entire Book of Romans together and hopefully have a good,

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good insight.

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That's the goal. Now. Goals are great, but what happens?

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You know?

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What's the pimas saying and boxing. Everyone has a plan

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until they get punched in the face. Right, You can

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have a plan, we canna have a goal, we canna

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have a strategy, and then reality will hit us in

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the face and it may not go as smoothly as

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I would like it to go. So we're gonna work

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through it and hopefully maybe the first two or three

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will be kind of like I'll figure out, well, probably

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should do that a little different. But by the time

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we're done, hopefully it'll just start flowing and it'll be like, oh,

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we figured out how to handle their force.

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Is everybody okay? With a little struggle through it.

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At the beginning, It doesn't matter if you care or

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because that's what's going to happen, all.

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Right, are you ready? Okay? There's no easy button here

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right now?

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I know I can make it easy, right, I can

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do what most preachers.

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Hey, here's this.

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There four blah blah blah blah blah. Read a verse,

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give you the summary and move on. But you know

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I don't do it that way, right, you know I

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don't do it that.

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That would Oh, I couldn't. I couldn't even go to

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a church that does that.

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I would lose my mind, right, because I like you

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involved in the process, and because the goal is that

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you will retain more.

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That's the goal. But we'll see, all right.

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So as just a quick reminder, the word therefore is

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in d a pivotal term in the Book of Romans,

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and it often signals a conclusion or an important theological point.

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And we're going to look at all the instances where

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therefore is used, along with a brief summary and the

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significance of each occurrence.

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That's what we're going to do. And the first one

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we find ourselves where.

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Romans one, Romans one twenty four, Romans one twenty four.

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Let's read the verse.

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You ready, okay, everybody there, all right, let's read it. Therefore,

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I'm reading from the New King James. Wherefore, okay, right,

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it's the same Greek word, all right.

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Wherefore, Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanliness and

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the lust of their hearts to dishonor their bodies among themselves.

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Now, first thing, remember we've already covered We've already done

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verse by versus this entire chapter. So I'm not My

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job here is not to try to get us back

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into a verse by verse. We just want to understand

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the significance of this. Wherefore, are therefore everybody got that?

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Now?

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This is everybody ready? First, does everybody remember the Greek word?

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Let's get that out of the way, dia dia right.

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This word is also translated as therefore, but with a

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slightly different emphasis. It is often used to draw a

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more emphatic or summarizing conclusion, sometimes with a sense of inevitability.

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Does everybody remember that? Yes?

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Okay, it's emphatic or or summarizing conclusion. So when this therefore,

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how should we understand it? It's emphatic, right, it's summarizing.

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It's a conclusion with a sense of inevitability. Everybody got that.

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It emphasizes causality and inevitability. It draws attention to the

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necessary outcomes or consequences of the previous discourse. So therefore

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God gave them up. It seems like what is he saying?

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This is the conclusion? This is emphatic, This is inevitable

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that God would have to give.

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Them up to uncleanliness. Does everyone see that? All right?

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It emphasizes what again, causality?

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Inevitability draws attention to the necessary outcomes of or consequences

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of the previous discourse. Everyone got that, all right? So

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we know what the there for is for?

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Right? So what I'm gonna I'm gonna just have you

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tell me what is the therefore therefore it is?

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What it is demonstrating what an inevitable consequence, a conclusion, causality?

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Do I need to go through all that again? So

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we have that down?

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Okay, Yeah, we got to make sure we understand why

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it's there. So then what do we need to figure

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out based off that about the Greek language, what do

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we need to figure out there for? Well, we got

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to figure out, Okay, if it's drawing a more emphatic

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summarization or conclusion, what is it summarizing? What is it concluding?

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If it's giving us a sense of inevitability or consequence?

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What is leading to this inevitability? Well, we know we

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can already know this. What is inevitable according to verse

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twenty four. Now what is inevitable is that God gave

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them up to uncleanliness, right, He gave them up to uncleanness,

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lust of their hearts to dishonor their bodies among themselves.

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Does everybody see that the conclusion of whatever comes before

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is this inevitable?

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Something has changed here because of whatever is here, God

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now gives them up. Has everybody got that?

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It's a conclusion, it's inevitability, it's causality.

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All right? Everybody got that? All right?

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That means this, therefore is what critical. This is a transition,

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This is a change, all right? Does that sound good?

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Now what we're gonna do is now, we're gonna do it.

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That's just kind of giving us started right now here.

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I'm gonna ask you a question. I'm gonna make you

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do this in every single one of them. And when

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I ask this question, there.

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Will be inevitable disagreements.

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There's never going to be an agreement on this, okay,

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And that's gonna be fun, all right.

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So here's what we're gonna do.

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If this verse, If verse twenty four is the inevitable conclusion,

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it's the it's the causality, it's the consequence, it's it's certain.

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Then what we have to determine is what comes before that?

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This is the transition to So what comes before twenty four?

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And where does.

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That section begin?

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What specific section is the therefore in twenty four? Referencing

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find the beginning of that section. It's okay if we disagree.

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You can all be wrong, but.

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They're therefore no. But in this case, we'll see. Some

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I bet you you're using the NIV. I bet you

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it breaks it down into sections.

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of put it into sections, what section comes before twenty four?

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Okay? But does it have a section of verses? Okay?

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What's the section of verses starting in verse eighteen? All

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the way too, all the way to the end. Okay,

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you're starting seventeen? Okay, all right, So seventeen all the

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way to the end of the chapter. They put that

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in one section? Okay, all right, okay, all one section? Okay,

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that's interesting.

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much to do with that. Therefore, can we agree to

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one to six doesn't have anything to do with it?

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beloved of God called to be sayings, So we can

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say verses one through seven would have nothing to do

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Therefore, do we feel confident with that? What does he start?

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thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all that

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your faith's be spoken of. He starts saying very positive

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things about them.

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Can you agree where does that section seem to end? Okay?

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Does that make sense? Right?

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do with it there for verse thirteen that seems like

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a transitional term, right, How does all the different translations

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read in verse thirteen?

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planned to come to you but was hindered until now

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that I might have some fruit among you. Also, Hey, hey,

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I'm saying all these positive things about you, but I

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want you to know something.

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I've wanted to come to you, but he's not been able.

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to the Greeks and to the Barbarians, but to the

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wise to the unwise. So as much as in me,

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I'm ready to preach the gospel to you who are

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I want to preach.

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The Gospel to you, all right now Verse sixteen, so

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verses one through fifteen, I think we can say has

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nothing to do with it. Therefore are we confident there

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all right? Verse sixteen. For I am not ashamed of

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the Gospel of Christ.

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everyone who believes, for the jew first and also the Greek.

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For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from

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faith to faith, as it has written to joshall live

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by faith. There's the entire Protestant Reformation, the Josh will

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live by faith. Okay, we can get to a whole discussion, right,

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So I would say sixteen and seventeen, does.

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It seem to have anything to do with it? Therefore?

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Because we can just we can ask ourselves, right, hey,

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read verse sixteen and seventeen and then read therefore.

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God gave them up to uncleanliness that has no connection?

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Doesn't work, does it? Right? Okay?

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what the test were for, but it's had something to

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do with like reading comprehension, and they would.

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Be like, does this go with this? Does this go

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with this? Right?

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So that you can determine, well, that doesn't connect there? Right,

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because they're trying to show you how to to interpret

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what connects sixteen and seventeen does not connect to twenty four?

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Though, after talking about faith and the gospel four, what

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happens in verse eighteen for the wrath is how the

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new king James King James.

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For the wrath of God is revealed? Now, why is

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what is what is eighteen signifying? How are we connecting eighteen? Well?

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faith and righteousness. Now, why do we need all of

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that verse eighteen because the wrath. Now we see a

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little bit of a connection between sixteen, seventeen and eighteen.

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all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth

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and unrighteousness. Because what may be known of God is

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manifest in them. For God has shown it to them.

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mut are clearly seeing being understood by the things that

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are made, even his eternal power in Godhead. So that

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they are without excuse. All right, So everyone is without excuse,

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and God's wrath is being revealed, right, everybody see that.

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Now what happens here? So they're without excuse. And they

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look at verse twenty one.

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connects that back to verse eighteen. The wrath of God

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is being revealed. Man is without excuse because what.

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nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts and

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foolish hearts were darkened professing to be wise, they became

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fools and changing the glory of the uncorruptible God into

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the image and made like corruptible man birds and four

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footed animals and creeping things.

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because although they knew not godpen Hey, God's wrath is

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being revealed. You knew God, right, there's no excuse. God

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has revealed himself. However, something happens in verse twenty one.

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We're gonna work through some analysis and summary. All right, now,

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are you ready? We're gonna break this sound. We're gonna

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break down different parts of this now if you want

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to take notes, that's just trying to give us looking

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at it for ourselves, so you can start kind of formulating.

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the meaning of their four. The word therefore in Romans

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one twenty four serves as a transition linking the preceding versus.

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it back to verse eighteen. So y'all were very good

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it really kicks in in verse twenty one, But I

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can see how it connects to the whole section.

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All right, everybody got that. Everybody got that?

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All right, to the consequences described in this verse.

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It shows that what follows as a result of.

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The therefore serves as a transition between eighteen and twenty three.

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It shows the consequences described in these verses. So let's

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lay down the specific things and verses eighteen to twenty

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three that would lead to the there four and twenty four.

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What are the specific things? Let's list them. What's the

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first thing? In eighteen the wrath of God is revealed

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from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. So

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the first thing is we have the very You may

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want to write these down, and verse eighteen.

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The first thing we have is God's wrath is being revealed.

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All right, well, how is it being revealed? Right?

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Twenty four may give us how is being revealed, but

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verse eighteen is just giving us what the fact of

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it's being revealed?

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Now, who is it being revealed against? Verse the rest

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of the verse begins to describe who?

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What does it say against all unguidliness and unrighteousness, A

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man who suppressed the truth and unrighteousness. So God's wrath

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is being revealed against what kind of people?

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Name it name on them? All lists all of their descriptors.

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Yeah, we have ungodliness, unrighteousness, and men who do what

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suppress the truth and unrighteousness. So God is revealing his

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wrath against people who are ungodly, who are.

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Un righteous, who suppressed the truth. So far, so good?

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known of God is manifest in them. So, in other words,

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here's why God is revealing wrath against a specific group

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of people. And he's doing so because what can be

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known by God is visibly known. But they have done

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what they are without excuse. They're without excuse. Is that

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a good way of describing it? They're without excuse.

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Right now, this gets the verse twenty one.

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So God is revealing wrath against a certain kind of

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people he and he's doing this because these people are

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without excuse, because God has revealed everything. But this what,

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Guess what even though God has revealed anything, this is

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really kicks.

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And why He's revealing his wrath because.

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They, although they knew God, they did not glorify him

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as God, nor were thankful, but became frutile, futile, and

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their thought thoughts and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing

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to be wise, they became full and change the glory

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of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man,

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birds for footed animals, and creeping things.

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So now we can really outline it.

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The Therefore, there is the inevitable consequence of a God

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who is revealing his wrath against ungodly men who are

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without excuse, who even though they have no excuse, they

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took the information they had and they did what with it? Well,

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the verse says they do what They became futile in

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their thinking, and what did they do? They turned to idolatry. Yeah,

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that became idolaters. So God is upset with them.

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Now that gives us.

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The the therefore that gives us the therefore right?

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Does everyone see that? All right?

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It shows that what follows as a result of the

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actions or conditions previously mentioned? Did we not just outline

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the actions and conditions? Yes, we just went through it?

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Did we not? All right?

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In the context of Romans one, Paul has been discussing

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the revelation of God's wrath against human ungodliness.

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Did I not just say.

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That all right and unrighteousness, particularly due to human humanity's

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suppression of truth and their idolatrous practices.

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Did we not just outline that? Yes? That therefore signals

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what comes next is a.

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Direct consequence, an inevitable consequence of humanity's wilful rejection of

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God's truth.

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Here's humanity.

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God has revealed himself to humanity, and He's revealed them

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in such a way that they are what without excuse?

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And even though they're without excuse? What did they do

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with this revelation of God? Well, the passage lays it out.

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They turned from it.

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And they did what again, starting a verse twenty one,

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They knew God. They did not glorify him nor gave.

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The thinking became futile or feudal. The foolish heart was dark,

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and continue on it continues downward. They thought they became

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prideful and arrogant, thinking they became wise or they were

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what they exchange glory for images, they turned to idolatry.

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They turned to idolatry. Right, does everybody see all of that? All? Right?

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So hits the therefore signals what comes next is a

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direct consequence of humanity's wil for rejection of God's truth.

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Now go to verse twenty four.

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Therefore, now there's the Therefore, this is the inevitable consequence.

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So we've got all the things that lead to this

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inevitable consequence. We could go back and outline that fifteen

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different times. I've just covered it now like twice. Right,

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we've got it laid out perfectly. God is revealing his

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wrath against a certain kind of people. Because God has

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revealed himself to them, they are without excuse.

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But even though they were without.

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Excuse, they have basically become futile in their way of thinking, arrogant, prideful,

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rejecting God, rejecting his glory and becoming idolators.

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Everybody got done. Now, Therefore, so now what's the question.

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What is the inevitable consequence of this? Well, the first

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thing we looked at is the meaning of therefore? Have

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we not covered that? Yes?

479
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.119
Number two, what's the first thing? What's the first thing

480
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:30.920
after the therefore?

481
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.559
God gave them up? That's the next thing we're going

482
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:40.160
to look at. The God gave them up? This phrase

483
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:50.200
is repeated how many times in Romans? Look invert chapter one.

484
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.680
I think you'll find most of them in chapter one.

485
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:59.160
The first one shows up in verse twenty four. Now continue,

486
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.680
does it show up at after twenty four? Shows up

487
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.880
in twenty six? Does a show up after twenty six

488
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.519
and twenty eight? Now, depending on your translation, we may

489
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:19.960
have some translation issues. Okay, all right, so we have

490
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.640
twenty four, God gave them up? What does it say

491
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:27.039
in twenty six? Gave them up? What does it say

492
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:32.000
twenty eight? Gave them over? Three times? And guess where

493
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:39.839
all of them happened after the therefore? Remember the Greek

494
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:45.039
word here dia? Is this inevitable consequence? Right? And it

495
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:46.559
seems that one of the key.

496
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:51.359
Inevitable consequences that has repeated three times after the therefore is what.

497
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:56.359
Gave them up? Thank you?

498
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.680
Okay, God, I was getting nervous, gave them up. So

499
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.000
we had to understand this phrase, gave them up?

500
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.039
Are you ready for at least one interpretation of the

501
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:04.759
gave them up?

502
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.599
The phrase is repeated three times in Romans. Have we

503
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:16.680
identified them all right? Yes, highlighting the severity and importance.

504
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.759
Of the action. Right.

505
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.279
So, in other words, if it's repeated three times, this

506
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:22.160
is significant.

507
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.960
Right now, they're therefore really is that? Therefore?

508
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.000
Now this is a therefore that there's no question how

509
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.039
important this therefore is right, and this therefore seems to

510
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.440
be directly linked to he gave them up. It's repeated

511
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:39.160
three times after the therefore, I cannot stress that enough.

512
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.160
Three times. Now we know what's leading up to it.

513
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.680
God is upset. He's revealed his wrath. I guess a

514
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.880
certain kind of people whom he revealed everything to. Yet

515
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.400
they were without excuse, and what did.

516
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.000
They do with all of that knowledge? They turned to

517
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.160
idolatry all right, over.

518
00:28:59.039 --> 00:28:59.839
And over and over and over.

519
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:06.319
And this is the entire story of what the Bible right,

520
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.680
Jew and gentile. The Jews are even more guilty. And

521
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.480
this says because God revealed even more to them, But

522
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.519
they all turned to idolatry. Everybody got that. Now, let's

523
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:20.720
do a little work here in this phrase, all right,

524
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.799
it means, this is how one interprets it. God allowed

525
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:31.440
people to follow their sinful desires and face their natural

526
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:38.400
consequences of those choices. So it's basically what basically God did?

527
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.799
What? Oh, you reject me?

528
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.960
You want idolatry here, you go, have your sinful desires,

529
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:47.480
Go just have them.

530
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:53.519
I'm not gonna do what interfere or restrain.

531
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:02.480
That's pretty serious, is it not. It signifies a form

532
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:08.039
of divine judgment, not by actively punishing, but withdrawing his

533
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:13.119
restraining grace and allowing them to experience the full impact

534
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:14.519
of their sinful choices.

535
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.039
There is no He is removing restraining grace.

536
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.680
Now this raises serious philological questions, right, I have all

537
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.640
kinds of theological questions at this point, right, because if

538
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:30.599
like wait, if God has restraining grace, then God then

539
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.440
could restrain all sin.

540
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.359
All right, now you see where this could go.

541
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:39.039
This can kind of go into a little bit of

542
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:42.480
victim blaming, could it not? Well, the reason God does

543
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.440
is not restraining you is because you are the person

544
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.839
described in Romans one eighteen to twenty three. Well that,

545
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:54.559
but in reality, eighteen to twenty three describes whom everybody?

546
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.720
So then should we expect Okay, well, clearly the Jews,

547
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.759
I think. I remember there's always a debate in Romans

548
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.400
which section is he talking to the Jews? And which

549
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.759
sections is he talking to the Gentiles? I remember there's

550
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.200
always a debate about that, right.

551
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.960
But clearly the Jews.

552
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.359
I mean, if you want to talk about anybody that

553
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.200
he revealed himself to, the Jews are far above anybody

554
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.039
and everybody, I think. I think that's probably a good argument.

555
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.759
But in another way, all of us, right, but because

556
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:29.519
no man is without excuse, and yet we've all become idolators, right,

557
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:34.039
Remember everyone's an idolator. So if God is not restraining,

558
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.839
that's that's difficult to process. Right, But in some ways

559
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.920
this is that not kind of describe our world, kind

560
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.160
of describes our world, right describes the church. I mean,

561
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:50.000
we have horrible things that happen in churches, right, So

562
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.160
all right, but so this give them up is a

563
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.640
very important concept.

564
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.400
Then remember this is a form of.

565
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.279
Judgment, and he's not doing what He's not punishing, He's

566
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.680
simply withdrawing restraining grace and allowing them to experience the

567
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.480
full impact of their sinful choices.

568
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:08.720
I would say that.

569
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.319
God pretty much allows us all to feel the impact

570
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:12.759
of our sinful choices, does he not?

571
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:15.240
I mean he does.

572
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.440
I mean if you say, well, his restraining grace is

573
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.200
for Christians, well, then that's a hard thing to understand,

574
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.279
because Christians commit the same sins the world commits. Right,

575
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.240
So that's why so many Christians do. What if you

576
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:28.319
commit certain sins.

577
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:29.640
Then they throw you out of the body of Christ,

578
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.640
saying you're not a Christian, which is a problem. Right, So, okay,

579
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:38.079
this is a serious passage. All right? So what comes

580
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:45.480
next after the giving them up? Well?

581
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.119
Just I mean it's right there in twenty four. He

582
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:52.160
gave them up to uncleanliness and the lust of their

583
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.960
hearts to dishonor the bodies among themselves. How does other

584
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.839
translations have verse twenty four?

585
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:04.279
All right? Two?

586
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.759
All right, it depends on how you read it. This

587
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.759
The way they describe it is this way.

588
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:10.839
So number one we have the meaning of Therefore, have

589
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.680
we done a pretty good job with that? Yes, God

590
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:15.240
gave them up?

591
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.319
Does everybody see why that's significant? It's mentioned how many times,

592
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.759
three times after the therefore?

593
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.519
All right? What do we understand about?

594
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.440
The God gave them up is a form of judgment

595
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.720
in which he removes any restraining grace and he lets

596
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.759
people enjoy their sinful desires and face the natural consequences

597
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.319
of said desire. The third thing they want us to

598
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:40.200
see after the therefore is this, and the lust of

599
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.039
their hearts to impurity is how they translate it.

600
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:50.839
Right? Does that sound at least similar, somewhat similar? All right?

601
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.200
Paul identifies the lust of their hearts as the driving

602
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.960
force behind the impurity and moral corruption. Please, now, I

603
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.960
want you to look at that really careful. He gave

604
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.559
them up to the uncleanliness. Look at that phrase in

605
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:09.639
the lust of their hearts? Do all the translations have

606
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:18.199
something similar sinful desires? Why is that so critical? I

607
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:19.760
don't know if this source is going to say it,

608
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:21.800
but why is it so critical to us?

609
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.440
What is the most important.

610
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.840
Lesson we can take about that God is removing his

611
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.840
restraining grace, And then what's going to be the driving force.

612
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.559
The lust of their hearts? And where do all of

613
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.320
our problems begin? Internally?

614
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:44.320
Christianity has been two thousand years fighting what X no,

615
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.360
no Christianity. That's the problem with Christianity for two thousand years.

616
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:54.079
We don't fight ourselves, We fight the external, blaming everything else.

617
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:55.440
He can go.

618
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.239
Look, I'll just go to modern times, nineteen fifties. What

619
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.440
we're parents and preachers saying, Elvis Presley is destroying the

620
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:08.119
young people in this country. He must be banned, he

621
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.119
must be there must be a boycott.

622
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.119
Elvis Presley is of the devil.

623
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:20.719
Well Cain killed Abel without Elvis Presley. Lots of daughters

624
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.719
were getting their father drunk and having physical relations. Without

625
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:24.559
Elvis Presley.

626
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.800
There was rape, there was murder, there.

627
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:34.119
Was incest, all before Elvis Presley ever came on the scene.

628
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:39.039
But Christians have been idiots from the beginning, not understanding

629
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:40.119
this basic concept.

630
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.199
Now it makes perfect sense.

631
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:48.079
If you're what a Pallagian or a semi Pallagian, because

632
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.920
you believe man is not bound by their sinful nature,

633
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:56.360
so therefore you should be arguing against the external. That's

634
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.679
why I say Charles f because I've been talking about

635
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.280
Charles Finney all week on the on the Charles Finny

636
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.239
was a full Bloompleagian. Well, then guess what he kept

637
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:09.119
arguing again argue against all kinds of social injustices. The

638
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.519
college that he became famous for, he was very much

639
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:14.119
involved in social causes.

640
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.719
He was an abolitionist. He wanted to get rid of slavery.

641
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.199
His college was the first college to allow African American

642
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.360
and women to enroll.

643
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.280
What because he was going after the social things? And

644
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:25.840
what happened?

645
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:27.480
They were trying to fix this social thing and this

646
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.639
social thing, and after they fixed one, they would move

647
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:30.239
to the next one.

648
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:31.320
Then what was the big.

649
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.920
Focus on and that world prohibition getting rid of alcohol?

650
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.840
You can get external external, external, external.

651
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.840
We got to make the world better well because they

652
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.480
did not see the problem being where internal? But what

653
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.280
I used the joke every single time to the point

654
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.480
that I know it by heart. The call is coming

655
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.599
from where inside the house? The murderer is not outside

656
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:02.719
the house. It's literally he's in your basement, is under

657
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.320
the bed, it's inside of you.

658
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.079
They're not God gave them up.

659
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.760
To what what's inside of them?

660
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:15.559
This sinful nature? Now that kind of describes our entire

661
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:16.760
world today, does it not?

662
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.679
I know, Christians ay just doesn't describe us. It does

663
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.280
describe us because if God was restraining us against our

664
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:25.000
sinful nature.

665
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.400
Then Christians could be what perfect, but we're not.

666
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.679
So listen the lust of their hearts as the driving

667
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.639
force behind the impurity and moral corruption that people engage in.

668
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:42.960
The emphasis is internal nature of sin. It originates from within, from.

669
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:43.920
The desires of the heart.

670
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:49.519
Where does it originate? And where does all sin originate within?

671
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.239
Everyone should know where does all sin originate within? Trying

672
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.000
to fight culture war.

673
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:04.519
Is of no value because the culture war begins where inside.

674
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.519
It's not you blaming other kids, it's your kids. It's

675
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:14.039
not you blaming the people this person, it's you. The

676
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:19.079
problem is me, The problem is you. It's internal, and

677
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:24.639
the sin is internal before it ever becomes external. We've

678
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.960
already committed the sin internally before we ever committed externally.

679
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:34.840
But even the church focuses on what the external. So

680
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.119
what happens we become Christians and what do we become

681
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:45.559
masters of external? Really this in disguise. We put on.

682
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.840
Fig leaves, we put on robes of self righteousness, and

683
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.199
then we walk around and go see Christianity has changed

684
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.440
to me, I'm transformed, I'm not the same. And that's

685
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.519
all Christianity ever talks about, is how we are so transformed. Well,

686
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:08.000
we transform ourselves externally and what drives me crazy? And

687
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:13.199
oh Christian Christians can just tick me off, right, okay,

688
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:18.719
because so when you're a Christian and you're seventeen, right,

689
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.760
that's a far different reality than being a Christian when

690
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.639
you're married and you're thirty or forty.

691
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.239
Because now when you're thirty four, I used to do

692
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.840
this and you're now forty and go to bed at

693
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.519
nine o'clock at night. Don't act like you're so godly.

694
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:41.880
You're just externally godly because now you've got a wife. Now,

695
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:42.800
But what.

696
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:47.199
Were you doing before you got married? How godly were

697
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:47.800
you acting?

698
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.760
Now? When sometimes you look back on that and those

699
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:56.239
people now who talk all Christianity there must be a change.

700
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.880
Well why was there no change when you were seventeen?

701
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.360
Oh you got you got no words to say now,

702
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.599
do you No? It changed when you got what married,

703
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.519
had a couple of kids and settled down and you

704
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:12.920
go to bed at eight o'clock at night?

705
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.800
Okay, eight thirty are you're really pushing it? You're living wild?

706
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:22.679
Whatever people do. And then I can't stand that, right

707
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.880
because then they put the pressure on, Hey, you seventeen

708
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.239
year olds. You need to be acting godly or you're

709
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:32.079
not really saved now you're the only thing that changed

710
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:32.639
in you.

711
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.559
Is the inevitable change that comes with what age, not

712
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:37.840
with spirituality.

713
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:40.719
And I can't stand when parents do that.

714
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.679
Right, it's oh, you gotta Your kids are just as

715
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.239
depraved as what as you are, but they're at.

716
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:49.920
A stage where what's going on.

717
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.800
All those desires are much more heightened, and they do

718
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:03.079
not have the ability to satisfy some of those desires in.

719
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.400
A godly way.

720
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.280
Well, it's all great when you can resolve some sinful

721
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.559
those desires in a good way, and they can't when

722
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.760
we look at them. Well, if you're really a Christian,

723
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.559
just shut up, Okay, just stop it.

724
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:18.199
I can't stand that.

725
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.800
It's usually the adults who talk a big you know,

726
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.559
when you're fifty, talking a big game about I don't drink,

727
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:26.880
I don't do drugs, I don't listen to record roll

728
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.320
because you're old.

729
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.440
That's the only difference. Okay, Yeah, what were you doing

730
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:35.719
when you were a Christian? Today?

731
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.360
Nobody wants to go back and admit that, and they'll

732
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.639
try to state the change is because the lordship of Jesus.

733
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.440
No it's called the lordship of you got old and married?

734
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.119
Right?

735
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.719
That drives me crazy. Okay, so much of our change

736
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:56.480
sometimes has nothing to do with God. It's the and

737
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:57.880
it happens to everyone.

738
00:41:58.960 --> 00:41:59.079
Nay.

739
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.599
Look at how some people act when they're twenty and

740
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.119
how they act when they're forty. Usually not, I'm always

741
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:10.639
there's exceptions. Usually what changes everything because now you have

742
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.519
a job, you have a career, you have a wife.

743
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.199
Does sin still occur?

744
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:23.000
Obviously it does, it's just what changes the nature of

745
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:28.199
the sin changes. The nature of the sin changes. We

746
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.800
just Christians are our masters of Well, I.

747
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.159
Don't commit that suit, I don't commit that's it. Well,

748
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:42.320
congratulations to you. Wow, big deal. What's going on inside?

749
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:44.559
Let's hook you up to a monitor.

750
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.199
Wow, that looks like some pretty big trash going on

751
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.280
inside of you. But you don't want to be hooked

752
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.679
up to a monitor. So you dress yourself up, take

753
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.000
your family to church, sit in the pew, and we're

754
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:59.360
so godly and those other people are Antiinomian.

755
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.000
And they don't believe in the lordship Jesus. Oh now

756
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:02.039
you're so perfect.

757
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:08.840
Drives me crazy, drives me crazy because well, what were you?

758
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.960
Oh what change. I wonder what change?

759
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:16.480
The reality is God gives us up to the internal desires,

760
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.679
and that's where the problem is. And there's there's an

761
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.599
element of this that we have to say kind of

762
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:28.159
applies to whom everybody? Now that Look, you know how

763
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.079
many churches right now will lose their minds when they

764
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.639
hear me say that, because most Christians don't believe this

765
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:37.960
applies to us. They believe this only applies to whom. Well, inevitably,

766
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:42.679
where does this passage almost lead everyone? This is only

767
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:47.840
for the homosexuals. That's almost inevitably where this passage goes. Oh, coming,

768
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:55.360
you know that homosexuality is just one manifestation. It's just

769
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:00.239
one manifestation of what you could be in air. Again,

770
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:03.920
prideful narcissists, that's still being driven by what your internal

771
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.199
sinful desires. Why are we driven by our internal sinful desires?

772
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.239
Because God has given us up.

773
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.039
To our desires? And is that not the inevitable reality

774
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.800
of life?

775
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.719
Yes?

776
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:23.760
Does that not describe all of us?

777
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.119
Impurity here refers to sexual and morality in general, moral corruption,

778
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.599
which leads to the dishonoring of their bodies. The phrase

779
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.119
suggests that sexual sin is a key manifestation of the

780
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.440
deeper spiritual problem of idolatry and rebellion against God.

781
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.960
Sexual sin is a manifestation. Why is sexual sin a

782
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.280
manifestation of it? Because it can be seen, right, It's

783
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:55.599
what sexual sin is. Typically it can be in the mind,

784
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.519
but it almost always ends up where external it can

785
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.679
be seen. But it's just one manifestation.

786
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.639
So let's go back. We're not gonna we're not gonna

787
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.480
get very far. But that's okay if we can finish

788
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:10.440
this one up. All right, all right, we're not even

789
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.280
gonna come close here, But are you ready? So therefore,

790
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.599
now that therefore goes back to all of those things

791
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.000
we've already discussed, right, so we know what the therefore

792
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.440
is for what is the inevitable consequence of all the

793
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.639
stuff that come before God gave them up to uncleanliness

794
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.440
and the lust of their hearts to dishonor their bodies

795
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:33.119
among themselves. Basically, He has given us up to our

796
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:38.360
internal desires, and that internal desire is manifested in sexual sin.

797
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:43.800
And it is there, and trust me, it is there,

798
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.079
and that sexual sin is manifest where in the church

799
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:51.320
outside the church.

800
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:53.559
Now, why is it?

801
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.760
Why do I want to emphasize that it's manifest in

802
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.440
the church and outside the church. Why do I want

803
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.079
to when I want to demonstrate that. Look, I've watched

804
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:02.159
it too many times.

805
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:04.440
Okay.

806
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.800
Now, every church that I have been in, other than

807
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:14.880
maybe this one, and every church I've been in, professing

808
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.559
Christian teen girl has become pregnant.

809
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.719
Now you got two options to do. What say she

810
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:32.639
wasn't saved, which is totally jacked up right, or to

811
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.639
just say she was the visible manifestation. But guess what,

812
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.199
she wasn't the only one engaged in said activity. Remember

813
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:41.159
first Baptist church.

814
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:45.599
My best friend at the time, he couldn't go to

815
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.320
church camp that year, so he stayed here. I wouldn't

816
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.239
go to church camp because I was against church camp

817
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.239
and I believed it was you know, brainwashing, isolate and doctrinate, manipulate,

818
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:58.639
So I wouldn't go. He couldn't go, so we did whatever.

819
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.719
We went that summer. His girl friend came back from

820
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.800
church camp. Just what she found out about two months

821
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:09.239
later or a month later, I could that wasn't long

822
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.440
after she was pregnant.

823
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.480
And guess where it occurred church camp.

824
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:24.599
Now everybody is shot the scandal there's no scandal. She's

825
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.800
simply a sinner like everyone else. She just happened to

826
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:34.000
be the visible manifestation of what was going on, probably

827
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:35.599
in all kinds of other different way.

828
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:36.480
In fact, I knew it.

829
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.599
That's one of the biggest issues that I'll never forget.

830
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.440
Like I was in a biology class or science class

831
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.239
at jim Nad. There was a new kid who comes

832
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.840
to school. He was an atheist. Right, We had a

833
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.880
substitute teacher. She lost complete control of the class that day. Right,

834
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.719
So he comes in and the Christian girls were all.

835
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.320
Like, you're going all crazy on him because he's an atheist,

836
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.960
and how there you can be an atheist? There is

837
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.559
a god, Jesus is Jesus.

838
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.320
And I was a new Christian at the time, and

839
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:04.800
I was just kind of letting the whole.

840
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:05.559
Situation play out.

841
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.559
And finally I'm like, why are you going so hard

842
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.440
after him? You girls have slept with everyone in this school.

843
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.920
You're acting all godly. Everyone knows how how how you act?

844
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.280
I mean, come on, right now. I probably shouldn't have

845
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:28.679
said it that way, but I was just med that

846
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.639
they were going after this guy, like condemning him to

847
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:33.800
the eighteenth level of hell. Like if you want to

848
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:37.360
have a discussion about atheism and theism or atheism and Christianity,

849
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:38.000
we get out.

850
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:39.880
But you're just like, you're gonna go the hell, You're

851
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:42.480
gonna burn. You're a sinner, And I'm like, and guess what,

852
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.119
all of you are okay, sinners? So the issue isn't

853
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:47.920
his sin. The issue would be.

854
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.199
God salvation like like, and my understanding of it was

855
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.119
all still a little confused too, because I hadn't been

856
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.000
saved that long. So but I mean, that's the inevitable

857
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.320
part is what sin you find any youth group, what

858
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:06.800
do you find you find struggling with sins?

859
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.360
Guess what? And those kids typically live what their.

860
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:18.480
Lives in shame, humiliation, embarrassment, can't talk to anyone, can't

861
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.559
tell anyone a fear of gonna burn in hell for

862
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:24.559
the rest of their eternal soul. Like that, that is

863
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:28.119
a lot of hardship for a Christian teen that sometimes

864
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.360
we don't think about, especially those of us who've got saved. Well,

865
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:33.440
I got saved as a teenager, but if you got

866
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:37.039
saved after that, it's hard for you to understand, right.

867
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.079
But if you're braised in that your whole life is

868
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:45.559
about what do good? Do good? Do good? Do good?

869
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:46.079
Do good?

870
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.039
Or and don't go to hell, don't go to hell,

871
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:51.000
don't go to hell, don't go to hell. Well, what's

872
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.000
inside of you? A saidful desire? What does Christians tell

873
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.440
those kids? Well, if you're a Christian, you won't have

874
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:05.159
those desires, you'd be perfect.

875
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.559
Well they backtracked, they say it, and then they kind

876
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.159
of backtrack, right the problem God gave us?

877
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.159
And I'm gonna make an argument, and I know, I

878
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.320
know this goes against whatever look you can and I'm

879
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:22.400
a man. The emails are going to be horrible on this,

880
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.320
But I just think that this ultimately applies to all

881
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:30.800
of mankind, Christian or non Christian. God God has given

882
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:33.000
us all up to our sinful desires.

883
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.440
And guess what it's the Do we not see it?

884
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:36.079
In reality?

885
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.639
Does this not explain that your Christian experience more than

886
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:40.400
anything else?

887
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:42.639
Why do I still sin?

888
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:48.360
Because God inevitably has given mankind up over to their

889
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:50.719
sinful desire? What is different for the Christian?

890
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:56.559
Now? I acknowledge a change of mind that those desires.

891
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:03.079
Are sinful and that my actions are wrong, and my

892
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.519
only hope is the finished work of Christ.

893
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.960
That's what changes. The other thing that should change.

894
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:17.000
Is I desire to do what is right, but I

895
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.880
tend to do what is wrong. That's Roman seven, that's Paul.

896
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.920
The things I want to do I don't. The things

897
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.320
I don't want to do I do.

898
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.800
Is that not the Christian life? Why?

899
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:33.519
Because God has removed any restraining thing? And I think

900
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:41.599
this describes the entire story of the Bible. Does that

901
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:42.760
not sound like Israel?

902
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.159
Bobby pointed it out first, Does that not sound like Israel?

903
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.360
That God revealed themselves to them? Right? What did they do?

904
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.960
They rejected God, became idolators, and God then gave them

905
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.800
a it's this is and you could it could actually.

906
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.599
You know whether you could actually take this story? Does

907
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:01.800
it not sound like Adam and Eve?

908
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:07.000
Right?

909
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.920
Adam and Eve would be the only place where And

910
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.719
then guess what they knew God?

911
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:12.679
Did they not know God?

912
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.159
And then in the since they didn't decided not to

913
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.239
retain God and gave them and they decided to pursue

914
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:24.199
what their own self, their own desire. And then from

915
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.639
that point for it, what is everyone born with a

916
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.079
sinful nature? And guess what is God? Does God restrain

917
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.239
that sinful nature. Now you say, may he may hold

918
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.320
it back to some level, but I just know this,

919
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:38.400
whatever you say, God is restraining.

920
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.960
It's very hard to quantify or qualify it.

921
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.519
Just we know this. We our sin doesn't manifest the

922
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.440
same in every person, but we all are absolutely living

923
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:56.719
in sin. Okay, now, man, this is oh the controversy

924
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:57.760
this is going to create.

925
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.480
Do you know it? You realize nobody would agree with

926
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.320
what we've just said. Do you realize this? You do

927
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:04.920
realize this?

928
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.199
Right, there's not a church an Abilene that would agree

929
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.639
with what we just said. I doubt there's anyone listening

930
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.840
to me who when I post this today, who's going

931
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.480
to agree. Everyone's gonna disagree with me. I know I'm

932
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.800
putting forth a crazy perspective, but to me, I'm not

933
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.880
putting forth. I'm reading this, and you know what it

934
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:28.280
sounds like my life. I know you don't want me to.

935
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:31.719
Say this, it describes your life.

936
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.280
Now, I don't really know what to do because I've

937
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.159
got like one, two, three, four, I got, i got

938
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.880
four lessons, i got the significance of Romans one twenty four.

939
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:54.519
I got a lot, and there's no way I can

940
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:57.199
finish all of it. But we will stop right there.

941
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.599
We have put forth. We have come up with a hypothesis.

942
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:02.400
I'm gonna call it a hypothesis, all right. I'm gonna

943
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.880
call it a hypothesis because the reason I do that

944
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.800
is because we all know that whatever certainty we have

945
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.440
today we know could be wrong. But I'm gonna put

946
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:15.880
forth the argument that starting in Romans one eighteen, God

947
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.119
clearly describes that the wrath of God is revealed from

948
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.679
Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. What can

949
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.199
I know what is true of all men? We're all sinners,

950
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.480
right Am I still am I still ungodly and is

951
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.960
still unrighteous as a Christian? Yes, because ungodliness or unrighteousness

952
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.280
is anything any lack of conformity to the holiness of God.

953
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.280
Am I perfectly conformed to the image of God. No,

954
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.440
So therefore I'm ungodly and I'm unrighteous. This describes all

955
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:48.920
of us, right who suppress the truth and unrighteousness, because

956
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.079
that when maybe known of God has manifest in them,

957
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.119
for God has shown it to them. Now this really

958
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.199
describes all people. Now, this is the one thing that

959
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.480
would make a Christian different, the only thing that would

960
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.239
make a Christian different is try not to repress that

961
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.960
knowledge of God. And we acknowledge there is a God,

962
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:06.639
and there is sin that does make us different.

963
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.679
But the end result here of what all of us

964
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.039
have done, and I think this goes back to Adam

965
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:14.280
and Eve. They've done what.

966
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.280
They perceived themselves a certain way, and they found themselves sinning.

967
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.960
And then what happened after that? Well, idolatry has ruled

968
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.320
and reigned since Adam and Eve. Can we agree with that?

969
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:26.920
All?

970
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:31.480
Right? Then God gave them up to uncleanliness. This is

971
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.960
all of us and the lust of our hearts.

972
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:36.719
What has He given us up to to be driven

973
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:41.559
by what our internal nature to dishonor our bodies among themselves?

974
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:43.960
We exchange the truth of God for the lie? And

975
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.719
does that not literally sound like Adam and Eve who

976
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:53.559
exchanged the truth of God for the lie? Didn't Satan

977
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:57.880
lie to her? Does that not literally sound like Genesis three?

978
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.320
And served the creature rather than the Creator who is

979
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:04.760
blessed in forever are men?

980
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:09.400
She turned to the tree, She turned to the material

981
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:14.119
instead of God. And this is the inevitable result of

982
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.519
what has happened. Now, the next.

983
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:21.840
Part of this, because this is where everybody gets here,

984
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.000
we change the glory of God, all right, Hang on.

985
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:26.719
Verse twenty six.

986
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.360
For this reason, gave them up to vile passions, for

987
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.039
even their women, for even their women exchange the natural use.

988
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.639
But no, he gave them up to vile passions.

989
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.519
Vile passions is I think, one concept and is one

990
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:43.519
of those vile passions. Then he gives a specific example.

991
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:50.400
But vile passions include more than what homosexuality. Homosexuality is

992
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.320
just one manifestation of it. Why is it that in

993
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.679
a church? If you know, I'll just throw out names.

994
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:03.400
I'll say Tom and Susie. Right, they're engaged in fornication.

995
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.519
But then two boys are.

996
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.559
Engaged in everyone will make the focus on the two

997
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:16.280
boys and not these two. But both are what vile passions?

998
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:23.239
And which way they're taking that physical intimacy which.

999
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.719
God obviously is placed in the heart of everyone.

1000
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.039
It's a biological need, right, physical intimacy, and both are

1001
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:35.159
fulfilling it in a way that is beyond God's allowed means.

1002
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.440
And why are they doing that? Because they are being

1003
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:44.440
driven by their desire and not their understanding of God.

1004
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.880
Because in some ways we all if you think about it.

1005
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.679
Even as Christians, we do repress the knowledge of God?

1006
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:52.559
We do do we not?

1007
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.320
Do we know God exists? Do we know God demands

1008
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.599
perfection and holiness? Do we know that God tells us

1009
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.199
to love our enemy, turn the other?

1010
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.159
We know? Well? What do we have a tendency to do?

1011
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.599
We see it even in our families, right, we know

1012
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:10.440
how if I'm supposed to be.

1013
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:17.079
Loving, compassionate, forgiving, long suffering all of the gentle God,

1014
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.199
and how do we will respond to even people in

1015
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:21.159
our own home?

1016
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:25.840
Mean cruel?

1017
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:32.320
Talk, back, angry, blow up, yell. This happens in Christian families.

1018
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.360
Sometimes it happens as you see the family pulling up

1019
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:40.440
into the parking lot. Okay, right, you see the yelling

1020
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.599
and fighting going on in the car, and then they

1021
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:43.320
come out walking in.

1022
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.559
Going praase God doing great, Everything's wonderful.

1023
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:48.039
And you can tell them the look of the whole

1024
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.440
family that, oh man, that was a bad drive to church,

1025
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.360
because I've been there.

1026
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:55.400
Plenty of times.

1027
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:59.760
Okay, I guess see, I've never experienced that. Husbands and

1028
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.599
wife you can be like ooh, one is sinning in

1029
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.039
the back, one sitting in front, because because they're so

1030
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.400
furious at each other, right, because that's the reality of.

1031
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.880
Who we are. And in a roundabout way, what are

1032
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:11.880
we doing at that moment.

1033
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.320
We're repressing the knowledge of God and what is driving

1034
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.480
our attitudes and actions at that moment.

1035
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:21.039
Our nature.

1036
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.079
It happens everywhere. Now does it always? Does it show

1037
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:26.880
up for everyone into homosexuality?

1038
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:30.400
It doesn't. Is homosexuality a sin? Yes?

1039
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.639
So is fornication. So is a man looking at a

1040
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.360
woman with lust. That's adultery.

1041
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:42.400
So is physical adultery, emotional adultery.

1042
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.280
Are we excusing.

1043
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.760
Any of them? No.

1044
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.719
Acknowledging the reality is not excusing it. It's trying to

1045
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.000
make sure we approach it in a way that is

1046
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.480
much more than this ridiculous idea that well, basically you.

1047
00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:00.159
Don't sin anymore. I'm gonna argue you.

1048
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:05.119
This describes everyone from from the moment the fall occurred.

1049
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.599
This is our nature. And I and and what do

1050
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:11.480
I always ask?

1051
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.519
Could I always say God could just take away our

1052
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.400
sinful nature? This would be the theological answer. Why isn't

1053
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.000
God getting rid of your sinful nature? He's given us

1054
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:32.519
up to it. Nobody wants that answer, but as a Christian,

1055
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.920
as a Christian he has saved me from my sinful nature. Positionally,

1056
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:41.639
he will get rid of my sinful nature.

1057
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.519
And eternity.

1058
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:50.639
But in the meantime, I'm still driven by that sinful nature,

1059
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.440
and I still repress the knowledge of God, even though

1060
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:54.119
I don't want to.

1061
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:56.559
Now, as a Christian we do it. The main thing.

1062
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:58.519
The best we can do is what acknowledge?

1063
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.880
Then, the nature is sinful, Acknowledge the desires that come

1064
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:06.400
from it, condemn said desires, and we should try to

1065
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:07.920
pursue godliness and sin.

1066
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.320
We should, I mean, there's no way to deny that.

1067
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:13.159
But just no, no matter how much we pursue, we're

1068
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:14.119
always going to be what.

1069
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:18.320
Never there, never there, never there.

1070
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:21.719
It's like I can't remember the person's name in Greek

1071
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.400
mythology who is doomed to push the rock up the hill,

1072
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:27.119
and every time we would get close to the top.

1073
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.559
It would roll back. And what's the well, I can't

1074
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.639
remember the person's name in Greek mythology, but it is

1075
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:36.880
Greek mythology, I believe. But he's doomed, he's cursed, and

1076
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:40.159
maybe I don't know. I want to say, but I

1077
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.239
don't want to end up looking foolish. Someone will email

1078
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:44.559
me if I get it wrong, so I just won't

1079
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.239
say it. But yeah, that's us Christianity.

1080
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.320
As we try to push the rock to the top

1081
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.760
of the hill and what boom, rose right back down,

1082
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.559
rose right back down. That's the inevitability of because what

1083
01:01:54.719 --> 01:02:00.400
is inevitable sin? Why is it inevitable? Sinful nature? Sin

1084
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:03.280
is inevitable and we can't get to perfection? Then what

1085
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:06.400
does that mean? That means then God has not doing

1086
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:09.039
what He's not restraining the sinful nature. And if he

1087
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.440
is restraining it, I don't know how to even qualify

1088
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.400
it or quantify it because I'm sinning all.

1089
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:19.840
The time, sisyphis, okay, right, all right, eh, So I

1090
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:24.960
don't believe God is restraining it. Yeah, oh, if he's.

1091
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:27.559
Restraining it, it's hard to even like even for the

1092
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.719
ones he's restraining it, they still sin. So even any

1093
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.599
restraining doesn't get you to perfection. So I think this

1094
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.639
describes us all. I think this would this and I

1095
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.519
think in a roundabout way it makes sense.

1096
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.360
To what Romans is all about.

1097
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:44.599
We are all what in the same boat. What is

1098
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:46.760
our hope? A salvation that.

1099
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:51.400
Does not come from works? Hmmm? Why could they not

1100
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.480
come from works? Because we have been given up to

1101
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:56.440
a sinful nature.

1102
01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:02.840
Right that took on a wild to turn but that,

1103
01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:05.559
and just make sure you know the source I'm referencing.

1104
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:08.440
Not agree with what I'm saying, Okay.

1105
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.800
But I think that they inevitably led us to that

1106
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.119
conclusion because even they acknowledge being given up to this

1107
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.440
sinful nature. That describes that to me describes all of

1108
01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:20.679
us in the church and outside the church.

1109
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.719
All right, let's pray, Lord God, we come before you.

1110
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:24.840
Thank you for.

1111
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.760
Giving us a place where we can throw out these

1112
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.639
concepts and ideas. Lord, I know so many will reject this,

1113
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:33.920
and there will be so much arguing and debating.

1114
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:35.119
I pray that they.

1115
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:38.159
Will understand we've put forth a philological hypotheses.

1116
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:40.599
We will continue to challenge it as well.

1117
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.840
But Lord, I think this gives us a greater understanding

1118
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:45.440
of where we actually stand.

1119
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:46.320
Lord.

1120
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:52.239
We may never understand why you gave people up, but Lord,

1121
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:55.119
I think it really helps us understand the reality we

1122
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:55.960
find ourselves.

1123
01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:59.239
And it makes us absolutely humbled.

1124
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.039
That our only hope, hope is in the imputed righteousness

1125
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:06.000
of your son, because there's no hope anyway, el else.

1126
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.440
And we just thank you for your son and that

1127
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.960
imputed righteousness. And we ask us all in the precious

1128
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:12.320
name of Jesus and God's people, said

1129
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:15.760
M.