Dec. 6, 2024

The Deep Sleep Problem

The Deep Sleep Problem

A look at the deep sleep that occurs in 1 Samuel 26

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A look at the deep sleep that occurs in 1 Samuel 26

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good morning everyone.

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It is Friday, December sixth, twenty twenty four. It is

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currently nine point fifty two am Central Time, and I

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am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio

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located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, I was debating

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how to begin this. I was going to Sometimes I

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start with that typical intro. Sometimes I start with something

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a little different. Then I give you the date and

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all of that. I was really debating because I want

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to jump right into the topic. But I do want

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to take a couple of seconds and just throw out

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some things that you may already be seeing some discussion about,

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or at least one thing that you may already be

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seeing discussion about. Another thing you would have no idea,

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So just going to throw it a little, just kind

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of items here that I think may be important. First,

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you may have already started seeing the news articles about it.

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Some Christian websites are promoting it. Today is the day

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that Netflix dropped their movie about Mary, all right, and

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so there's gonna be there's already debate about it, you know,

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and people will argue. It will either be it'll be

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two Christian or not Christian enough, or there'll be some

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argument but it's about Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Or

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we could get into church history. See if I say,

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marry the Mother of God, you have people who will

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lose their absolute minds. But actually that terminology was used

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in church history to support and to argue for the

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deity of Christ. But we can get into an entire

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discussion about that. But yes, Netflix dropped their movie. I

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think it's just called Mary, and there'll be lots of

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discussion about it. Here's what I would challenge you to do.

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If you're gonna have an opinion, if you're gonna argue

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one or the other, just watch it yourself and don't

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listen to anybody else. Just watch it yourself and draw

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your own conclusions. A lot of people will probably email

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me and ask me about it. I'm gonna say, watch

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it and draw your own conclusion. You don't necessarily need

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me to tell you about it. Most likely it's gonna

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have the same I mean, look, I got all those

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emails years ago about the Chosen, the Chosen, that Chosen.

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I ticked off all of those people who emailed me

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because I'm like, well, I don't know where how people

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don't understand the possible problem with any movie based off

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anything in the Bible is that what happens when you

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make a movie or a television show about anything in

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the Bible. First you create dialogue that's not in scripture,

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so you're already adding to the story. No, there's no

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record of this person saying that or this person saying that,

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So you've got added dialogue. Well, then can kind of

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shape the way the narrative is being told. Not only

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that the director, the writers are given a certain emotion

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to the to the actors to show what's happening in

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that story. But that's it's almost you know, the actor's choice,

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the director's choice, and in many cases it's giving you

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a feeling and emotion that maybe the text gives or

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maybe we're just insinuating. We're placing it upon the text.

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So basically, you get dialogue that's not in the Bible.

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You get emotion, feelings, facial you know, expressions, you get

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all of this that's not necessarily in the Bible, and

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all of that from that point forward will shape how

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you read the text. And in many cases it will

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lead you to maybe reading something into the text that's

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not actually there. Because I hate to say it, people

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tend to remember the movie more than they remember the book.

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And you can't read the Bible and light of your

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favorite Bible movie or Bible television show. So I always

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have problems with it. When you point that out, people

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think you're just being a jerk, or you don't like art.

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It's like, no, make all the art you want, leave

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the Bible alone. If the Bible is the inerrant, inspired

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word of God, then we just need to leave it alone.

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I know Christians like, ooh, I want to see that

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in a movie, and I want to see why. It's

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The Bible is supposed to be something different and unique.

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It's not your favorite novel that you want to see

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brought to the big screen. The Bible is the If

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it's the inspired and errant word of God, it's supposed

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to be read. It's supposed to be meditated upon, it's

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supposed to be memorized. It's supposed to be studied. It's

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not supposed to be dramatized. It's not supposed to be

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turned into a play. It's not supposed to be turned

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into a Hollywood blockbuster. It's not to be turned into

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a you know, ooh this this television show, the shows.

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And has gone viral.

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Everyone thinks it's amazing, Okay, great, And then what bothers

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me is as soon as you offer just the slightest

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amount of criticism, whether it's The Chosen, this new movie

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on Netflix, Mary, No, no matter what it is, everybody

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loses their mind. They get so defensive, they don't want

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to hear that. They get mad at you, and it's like,

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why are you getting mad? My critique is just reasonable.

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Do not add, sub do not add or subtract from

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the Word of God. I mean, that's a basic principle, right.

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What we need to do is stay true to the text. Well,

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when you dramatize it, you add dialogue, you add emotion.

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I mean I've seen scenes from The Chosen. I'm like,

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where in the world did they get any of this?

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Where is that? But and in many cases I've seen

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it being shown in churches and you're like, what You've

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got the Bible, why do you need this? Well, because

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we're not content with the Bible. We want more. We

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want it to be entertained, so people will be talking

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about it It just drives me crazy. It just drives

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me crazy all because again, you're gonna have people who

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are gonna either support it, you're gonna have people who

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hate it. It just becomes this big controversy controversy. The

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more controversy, the more people will watch it. So, but

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it's there if you need to know about it. I

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received an email from crosswalk dot com this morning promoting it.

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Then I saw an article I can't remember. I've already

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probably seen three articles and maybe I've received two emails

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from different ministries mentioning it. So it's there. If you

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have a Netflix account, open it up, you'll probably see it.

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Mary.

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I mean, it's that time of year, right, if you're

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going to release a movie or anything about dealing with

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the Bible, you do it usually around Christmas or Easter.

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That's when they typically release things. So you go watch it.

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I'm not I'm not interested one way or the other.

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I know this. I know this if I would, if

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I would have woken up immediately Rando Netflix, watched the movie,

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then immediately ran to the microphone and start recording about

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it first, I could probably beat any of the other

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Christian podcasters to it. And so I could probably increase

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my download numbers by you know, a few thousand, if

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not more. But I wasn't. You know, It's like I

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watch it, Oh, well this is not in the Bible.

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Well this is not in the Bible. Oh this is

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in the Bible. Oh it's good or it's bad. And

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I don't know. It just seems so that's so easy

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to do, but you go decide. But I guess I'll

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take this. And oh and one other thing I was

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going to say, so keep the merry thing in mind.

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One other thing, we are having weird number We're not

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we're having weird issues with the numbers that reflect how

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many people are listening or downloading the podcast. We were

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at forty nine thousand for the Sermon's two point zero

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platform and the Sermon Audio platform. We were at forty

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nine thousand for like the first three days of December.

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Then that number magically dropped all the way to like

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twenty two to twenty three thousand. We're now fast approaching

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back to twenty five thousand. I don't know what the

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real number is, so that's just I don't know what's

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going on. So but I think I mentioned it in

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a podcast. I just want you to know that the

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number is fluctuating dramatically, So I don't really know what

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the number actually is. Since I have mentioned it on

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the podcast, I will update you so that we have

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some idea how we Maybe it'll be a good sign

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that we're going to finish twenty twenty four out relatively strong.

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We will see. And again I don't really know what

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the numbers actually mean. I mean, you hope it means

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people are listening and engaged and like what you're doing.

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But in many cases, you'll never hear from any of

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those individuals. You won't see it. You won't you won't

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see you won't see any evidence that they're there other

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than that number. So you always hope that it means, oh,

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they really like it, they want to support it. You

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really hope that, but you never know. So those are

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some things that are going on. But let's use the

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Mary movie controversy that you know already is kind of happening.

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I guess I want to I want to do. I

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want to set this up this way. As an individual,

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I'm speaking now to the people listening to all the listeners,

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as listeners who sit in a pew, who go if

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you go to church, you sit in a pew, you

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walk into a building, whether Sunday school church, Well, we'll

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just we'll say the sanctuary. We'll just say, you sit

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in a pew, you're there looking at the pulpit, right,

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So we'll take it out of the Sunday school class.

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We'll put it right mainly in the sanctuary. Right. When

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you go to church, what is your expectation, what is

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your want? What is your desire for? What occurs behind

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the pulpit? What do you want? What do you desire?

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What do you think is appropriate? What do you think

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is inappropriate behind the pulpit? And I'm not saying approp

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it or inappropriate like oh the pastor throws out some

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cussword or he does. I'm not talking like that. I'm saying,

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when it comes to the preaching of God's word, what

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are you looking for? Now? What I feel is that

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what most people who sit in the pew, what they

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what they ultimate Now. I don't care what they say,

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but when it comes to practice, what the people in

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the pews actually want is more of a just very

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practical message. They want to they want to make it.

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They want to feel like they're doing something of great significance.

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They want to feel like they're having great studies. But

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I think when it really comes down to something practical,

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when it comes down to to how it really works.

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I think people that don't really want the pastor to

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stand behind the pulpit and do theology right. They don't

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want to him be sitting there. Okay, we're gonna work

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on this, we're gonna challenge this, we're gonna we're gonna

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question this, We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna try to

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work on this interpretation. We're gonna challenge this interpretation, we're

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gonna question this where and almost kind of just we

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do theology, creating philological hypotheses and testing them. I don't

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think people really want that in church. It makes them uncomfortable.

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I think people want to be taught theology like, hey,

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just tell me what we're supposed to believe, this is

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what our team believes, and just basically reinforce what we

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believe and don't don't do any questioning or challenging, right.

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I think I think people want it. They want it safe,

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they want it somewhat simple. I don't think they want

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it too academic. They don't want it too deep they

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don't want. I think they have a very almost kind

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of an expectation that I think, to me, it's somewhat

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sad what people actually want. And I think this is why.

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I mean, people constantly claim, well, Christians are theologically illiterate,

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biblically illiterate. But at the same time everyone gripes about that,

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but the church can do very little about it because

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the people really don't want that much depth. They don't

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want it to be too academic. They don't want it

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to be they don't want it to feel like a

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university classroom. They don't want it to feel like a seminary.

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They want something spiritual. They they want practical, they want

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an experience. They don't really want philological depth and exegetical

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you know, content. They may say that, but it has

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to be done in a very in a very specific way.

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That that's I really believe that that is true. I

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don't believe a pastor can stand behind the pulpit on

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most churches and say, hey, guys, look at this text.

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This makes absolutely no sense. Wait what about this? Wait?

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Did you ever know that this does this not bother anybody?

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Wait a minute, well what about this? Wait? So God

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sets job up? What about that? Like, there's all these

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kinds of things that in the Bible I think should

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bother the average reader. I think if anyone reads the Bible,

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they should come across these things that they should be

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like that makes no sense, Like wait, what is going on?

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no But you're not allowed to do that in church.

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Christians will get defensive, they get very sensitive, and I

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think that that's a problem. I think it's a problem.

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but we're gonna return to it again. So we were

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reviewing a sermon on First Samuel twenty six, right, and

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in that sermon, he created a hypothetical situation. He basically

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took this idea, here's Saul, he's asleep, his spear is

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stuck in the ground right next to his head, and

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David sneaks in, and David could take that spear, kill Saul,

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and solve all of his problems. So then the hypothetical

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situation the pastor creates is, hey, in your life, sometimes

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there's a in a sense, there's a spear there. You

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could take the spear and do this or do that.

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It would take away all of your problems, all of

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your suffering, but it would require you to send to

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do that. And we talked about the problems with the

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entire sermon, because it completely ignored for Samuel twenty seven,

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and we worked through all of that. But in first

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Samuel twenty six, I pointed out that there's a there's

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a problem. There's a deep problem. In fact, it's called

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a deep sleep problem. Because there's a problem here about

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people sleeping. That should disturb every single person who reads

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the text. It didn't bother the pastor who preached it.

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He didn't even mention it. You know why I didn't

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mention it because if he mentioned it, it would make

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everyone in the pew very very, very very uncomfortable, and

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many people would probably either leave the church, threaten to

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leave the church, or would want the pastor to leave

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the church. Let's explore it. You ready it this morning? Okay,

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let's explore this. I've got lots of notes here, I've

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got lots of notes, and we're gonna just take this apart.

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then we'll consider a lot of the things that I've

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put together. All right, if you go to first Samuel,

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chapter twenty six, we start in verse one. We now

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we read this. Now the Zif fights came to Saul

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at Gibea, saying, is David not hiding in the hill

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of Haikala opposite Jessemon. Then Saul arose and went down

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to the wilderness of Zif, having three thousand chosen men

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of Israel with him to seek David in the wilderness

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of Zif. Please note, Saul has three thousand men. I

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want write that down, three thousand men. Saul has three

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thousand men that he's taking to hunt down David. Right,

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everybody got that. And saw and camped in the hill

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of Hakkala, which is opposite of Jessamon by the road.

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David stayed in the wilderness, and he saw that Saul

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came after him into the wilderness. David therefore sent out

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spies and understood that Saul had indeed come Verse five.

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So David arose and came to the place where Saul

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had encamped. And David saw the place where Saul lay,

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and Abner, the son of Ner, the commander of his army.

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we have three thousand men there. Now Saul lay within

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the camp with the people and camped all around him.

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So there's David, there's this commander. There are three.

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Thousand men with him.

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They're all camping. Then David answered and said to Abimelech

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the hit type, and to Abashi, the son of Zarui,

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brother of Joe, ab saying, who will go down with

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me to Saul in the camp. And Abishai said, I

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will go down with you. So David and Abashi came

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to the people by night, and their Saul lay sleeping

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within the camp with his spear stuck in the ground

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by his head, and Abner and the people lay all

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around him. Then Abashi said to David, God has delivered

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your enemy into your hand this day. Now, therefore, please

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let me strike him at once with the spear right

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to the earth, and I will not have to strike

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him a second time. So please, we're gonna focus on

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the fact everyone is sleeping. They were able to just

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walk all the way in, all the way up to Saul,

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pass his commander past. Three thousand men were right up

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to Saul. Now, how did they pull this off? How

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were they just very good? Were they very quiet? Were

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they very sneaky? How did they pull this off? Well?

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Look at verse nine. But David said to Abishai, do

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not destroy him. For who can stretch out his hand

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against the Lord's anointed and be guiltless? David said, furthermore,

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as the Lord lives, the Lord shall strike him, or

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his day shall come to die, or he shall go

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out to battle and perish. The Lord forbid that I

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should stretch out my hand against the Lord's anointed. There's

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any here having a full blown conversation where there's three

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thousand men asleep, and David's are Saul's commanders there, Saul's there,

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and they're just having this back and forth philological debate

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of etter whether they should kill Saul or not kill Saul.

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But look what he says, take now the spear and

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the jug of water that are by his head, and

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let us go. So David took the spear and the

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jug of water by Saul's head and they got away,

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and no man saw it or knew it or awoke.

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Now anyone reading this, we're like, come on, how did

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this even happen? They sneak all the way in, they

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have a philological discussion, a spear, they take a jug

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of water, and no man woke up, no one. Everyone

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was just sound asleep. How is this possible? Look at

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the next verse, for they were all asleep because a

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deep sleep from the Lord had fallen on them. Now

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I call this the deep sleep problem, because anyone reading

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this should be like, okay, wait, come on, come on, now,

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come on. Saul has been hunting David for chapter after

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chapter after chapter after chapter. And for Samuel, this has

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been going on. People have died, There's all these horrible

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things that have taken place, and nothing stops it. But

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then all of a sudden, we just read in first

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Samuel twenty six, God takes three thousand men, puts them

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all to sleep, three thousand men. They are all asleep,

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Saul's asleep, the Commander's asleep, three thousand men gone, night night.

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And you're like, well, that's awesome. That shows the sovereign

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power of God. Doesn't anyone in the church would raise

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their hand and go, wait a minute, if he could

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just put them all to sleep here, why didn't he

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put them all to sleep at the very beginning and

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just stop all of this conflict. Why when Saul was

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going to kill other people, he would just put these

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put all these men to sleep where they wouldn't kill

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the people. When Saul had eighty five priests killed, and

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then they slaughtered everyone in the city, man, woman, boy, girl, child, infant, animal, No, no, no,

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they get to stay awake for that. But here God

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just says night night, and they're all gone, they're all asleep.

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But he couldn't do this at any other point in

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time to bring this to some kind of conclusion, to

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bring this to an end. That should raise some questions

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to you, Well, that makes no sense. If God can

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intervene here, why didn't he intervene there so that people

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did not die? Why didn't he intervene here so that

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this whole thing would stop? Now, of course, and the

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sermon we reviewed, they didn't even bother to address this,

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So it seems to me that it is very common.

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norm that pastors and sermons will ignore these glaring philosophical issues,

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these glaring philosophical problems, Like most sermons would completely ignore

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the problem and the philological problem. In First Samuel twenty six.

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As we've just read, the text says that God puts

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Saul and his entire army basically into a deep sleep.

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It seems to me that anyone who even cares about

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the actual text should be immediately bothered. If God can

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just put them all to sleep, he could have done

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this from the very start, brought the entire conflict to

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an end. He could have intervened in a similar way

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to stop Saul from killing all the priests and all

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the people and all the children, and that particular city

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where that occurred. God could have intervened countless times. But no, no,

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no intervention there, No, But here's there's intervention. Three thousand

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menu of sleep go in, David, just to set up

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this entire situation. So I asked artificial intelligence, Hey, is

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this a problem? Is this a problem?

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Ai said?

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This passage in this verse for Samuel twenty six twelve

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raises significant philological and philosophical problems. It raises significant and

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philological and philosophical questions about divine intervention, the problem of evil,

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and the nature of God's sovereignty. Ai says this is

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a critical issue that has often overlooked in sermons. So

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Ai acknowledges. Hey, yeah, you're right this verse about this

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deep sleep. This raises deep theological problems, deep theological questions.

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This raises deep philosophical questions and problems, but most people

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will not address them. Why what do people actually want

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to happen when they go to church? See, everyone talks

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a big game. I want to go to church where

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the Word of God is preached, and as soon as

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the pastor starts raising questions or difficulties imposing problems, people

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don't like that. When I raise questions about well, wait

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a minute, we say we believe in solo scriptor, but

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is scripture really the authority? I think the authority is

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the individual who interprets the Bible, and then their interpretation

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becomes the authority. They become their own pope, their own

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images sterium. When I say that, Christians get furious at me.

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When I call in to question the unintended consequences of

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the of the Reformation, people get upset. Whenever I raise

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these questions. People get bothered because Christians don't really want this,

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and they definitely don't want it at church. They'll say

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church is not the place for it, Church is not

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the time for well where is the place and the time?

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Is it only a special class held on a you know,

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a top secret night and an underground basement with all

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the windows covered up so that nobody knows what's going on,

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Because sh we can't talk about these difficult things in church.

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So let's look at some of the issues with this

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deep sleep problem. Let's look at the philosophical problem, right,

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I think we could summarize the philosophical problem like this,

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Why didn't God intervene earlier? If he can intervene here

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and make everyone go to sleep, why didn't he intervene

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earlier and have everyone go to sleep, and just find

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a way to bring this to a conclusion. Stop all

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of this madness, stop the death, stop the threats, stop

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the pursuit, stop it all. Because this narrative in one

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Samuel twenty six to twelve explicitly states that God caused

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the deep sleep. Nobody can argue that the text explicitly

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says God caused the deep sleep, which allowed David to

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approach Saul without any danger. Now, this would demonstrate logically

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that God, that God has the ability to intervene in

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human affairs in a decisive and miraculous way, and everybody's like, Amen,

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God can intervene in a decisive and miraculous way.

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Amen, that's my God.

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Is how many Christians would say, Well, wait a minute.

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If God can does intervene to prevent harm here, why

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didn't he do so earlier in this story or in

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any other instance of injustice, justice Saul's massacre at Nobin

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for Samuel twenty two. If he can intervene here so

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that David is not harmed, and that no and that

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Abishai is not harmed, that they can sneak in and

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sneak out and nobody ever knows what's going on. If

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God can provide that much safety and that miraculous intervention,

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he couldn't be bothered to intervene to stop all the

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people being slaughtered in just a few chapters before this.

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He couldn't intervene to stop David from having a woman's

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husband killed. He could and intervene, and passages in the

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Bible where we have rape, murder, deceit, destruction, slid, I mean,

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all kinds of horrible things. But he can intervene here

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to cost three thousand people just to go to sleep.

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So what do we do with this? Well, first we

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have to be able to acknowledge. Look, if the church

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is the place where these things should be acknowledged, it

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should not be you know, on some podcast with some atheists.

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It should be behind the pulpit, going ladies and gentlemen.

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This is disturbing. I don't know how we handle this.

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So since most pastors don't even want to get anywhere

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near this, now you look, you can do a you

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can you can test my theory here because I could

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be proven to be wrong.

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You can.

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You can take this sermon's two point oh app this weekend.

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Look for sermon after sermon on First Samuel, chapter twenty six,

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and see if anyone brings up this major full of problem.

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Wait a minute, God intervenes here, has three thousand people

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go to sleep? Few chapters earlier, he didn't bother to

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do anything. Well, on an entire solidity, a city is slaughtered,

463
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.359
he didn't bother to do anything, and all the other

464
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.440
situations in the Bible, what do you do with that?

465
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.000
So I so since pastors, for the most part, I'm

466
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.640
not saying there aren't any obviously, I mean that would

467
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:27.680
be a ridiculous comment. But there I think the majority,

468
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:29.200
I think many will ignore it.

469
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:29.799
Overlook.

470
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.640
It really won't say much about it or see it.

471
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:35.400
It's like, see, there's our God.

472
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:36.720
See how powerful are God?

473
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.359
Is? Okay, well, great, but it's great that God is powerful.

474
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.160
But why does his power only used in certain certain

475
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.880
situations and that same power is not used in this

476
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.759
situation or this situation or this situation or this situation.

477
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.920
That's everyone has to struggle with that. So I asked Ai,

478
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:54.599
So what do I do with this? What do I

479
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.119
do with this? Ai started with this, and I'm not

480
00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.400
sure that this is even a solution, but this is

481
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:07.960
where AI started. It gives me divine sovereignty and human

482
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.759
free will. Now I'm not a fan of this. I

483
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.720
don't even know how this is a Remember, any free

484
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.119
will that exists is because God gave free will, and

485
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.440
God can obviously intervene and override someone's free will whenever

486
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.720
he wants. Because these men did not choose to go

487
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:26.519
to sleep, he put them to sleep.

488
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:33.519
Okay, he didn't follow their will, all right, I mean

489
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.000
there's plenty of situations where God imposes his will upon

490
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.720
other people, right, But it says this is what AI

491
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:47.599
tried to explain God's sovereignty, his ability to control events

492
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.920
and human free will allowing individuals to make moral.

493
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.640
Choices coexist throughout scripture and the case of Saul.

494
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:57.599
God allows Saul to act.

495
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Freely for much of the narrative, even when his actions

496
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:06.960
lead to significant suffering. But again God, he said, well,

497
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:08.880
God allowed him to do it. God is the one

498
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.799
who gave man free will in the first place. And

499
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.880
of course God can still intervene and stop me. If

500
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:18.200
Pharaoh's free will Mayo went after Israel, God had them

501
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:24.960
all drowned. So God can intervene at any point. Right,

502
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.759
So it's like, well, there's a tension here. God's in control,

503
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.400
but then he allows people's free will, but he only

504
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.559
allows free will to fit within his sovereign plan. Because

505
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.000
if He's just allowing free will to run and God's

506
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.960
not controlling it, then God's not really sovereign. Right. You

507
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.319
can't say, well, God is sovereign, but he lets man

508
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.599
does exactly what he wants. Well, then God's not controlling

509
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.920
the situation. He's just like, okay, he's controlling it only

510
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.480
in to say, man, you're free to do whatever you want,

511
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.799
but I'm not controlling it. But if God is somehow

512
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:58.000
structuring it, guiding it, controlling it, directing it. Well, then

513
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.640
is your will really free? And again, God's knowledge of

514
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.720
what you're going to do pre existed before you even existed,

515
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:07.200
So don't you have to do what God knew you

516
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.279
were going to do? Oh it gets really complicated, But

517
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.480
people love to say even AI free will somehow is

518
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:22.480
the free will doesn't answer anything here. Now, AI goes

519
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.240
on to say, by allowing human choices to play out,

520
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.119
God demonstrates the consequences of rebellion, sin, and broken leadership.

521
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.720
So it's like, hey, because God allows this to happen,

522
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.119
it demonstrates I mean, I don't even understand this. It

523
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.519
demonstrates the consequences of rebellion, sin, and broken leadership? How many?

524
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.119
How many people have to suffer? How many people have

525
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.200
to die so that I can see the consequences of rebellion,

526
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.720
sin and broken leadership? How many? How many? How many

527
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.559
stories do I need in the Bible? Go, well, God

528
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.119
allowed this to happen to demonstrate the negativity of sin. Well,

529
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.000
guess what God can give me an entire Bible demonstrating

530
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.799
the negativity of sin. It's not going to change the

531
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.960
fact that we are all born with the sinful nature,

532
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.079
So me seeing the negative consequences of sin is not

533
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.160
going to change my sinful nature. So what point does

534
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:21.200
it do? What is the value in demonstrating it? Hey, God,

535
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.119
God allowed this happened to demonstrate it. Aren't you glad

536
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:29.039
that you get to see this demonstration of let me

537
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:33.079
see here? Aren't you? Aren't you so fortunate to be

538
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:33.839
able to see?

539
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:35.839
Let me?

540
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.839
I can't find it here? You can see the consequences

541
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.079
of rebellion, sin, and broken leadership. How many stories do

542
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:46.880
I need to see? I mean, would only need one

543
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.319
story in the Bible, but story after story after story

544
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.799
that then involves people suffering and dying. I need to

545
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.079
see people suffer and die. So I now will know

546
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.599
the consequences of rebellion, sin, and broken leadership. But having

547
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.960
all of the stories doesn't change the fact that we're

548
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.000
still We're still going to be rebellious, We're still going

549
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.480
to sin, and we still will demonstrate broken leadership because

550
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:15.839
we're still sinners. Now, AI says, well, this underscores the

551
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.400
need for a righteous king ultimately fulfilled in Christ. Okay, well,

552
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.119
I agree. The Bible does demonstrate to me that we

553
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.680
ultimately need Christ because no human being can pull it

554
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.240
off because we're all sinners. I do agree that with that,

555
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.720
AI does admit this does not fully resolve the tension

556
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.799
when divine intervention does occur as in the deep Sleep,

557
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:42.720
so AI tries to offer some kind of solution, it

558
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.440
doesn't really offer solution. But AI itself has to admit, well,

559
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.920
this doesn't really resolve the problem. No kidding, it doesn't

560
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.240
resolve anything. Oh there's God, there's man's free will. Okay,

561
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:54.799
but then he overrides their free will here, so it

562
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.200
doesn't really And I can give you other examples where

563
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.720
he over He did not follow man, and he didn't

564
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:05.200
allow man's will to continue. He intervened, and just so

565
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.000
saying that he allowed it to happen to demonstrate a

566
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:17.719
moral lesson for us makes no sense. So I don't

567
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:19.800
know if that really helped. I don't think that really helped.

568
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.039
So I was like, okay, Ai, I need a little

569
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:26.199
bit more. So AI then gave me the selectivity of

570
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.400
divine intervention, all right. So now AI was like, okay,

571
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:31.199
I don't know if I got an answer, but we

572
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.239
do have to at least look at, well, how God

573
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:38.199
can be very selective when he decides to intervene. See Now,

574
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.000
the philosophical question would be, if God intervened selectively, does

575
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.679
that imply he is complicit in the events he chooses

576
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:45.519
not to prevent.

577
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.639
That's a good question.

578
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.920
If God intervened selectively, does that imply he is complicit

579
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:53.760
in the events he chooses not to prevent.

580
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:54.920
If God will.

581
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.599
Intervene in this event and stop it, but he won't intervene,

582
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:03.400
and this is God's somehow complicit. And what happens God

583
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.039
God knew it was going to happen. God in a

584
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:11.239
census omnipresent, so he's present wallet's happening, and he has

585
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.920
the power to intervene to stop it from happening. But

586
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.239
he doesn't stop it. He doesn't intervene, even though that

587
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:20.239
he's present there in some way, because he's omnipresent and

588
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.800
because he knew it was going to happen before it happened,

589
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:23.239
is he.

590
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.000
Not complicit to some level?

591
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.480
This is I mean, I know we're not supposed to

592
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.199
talk about this in church, but we have to be

593
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:37.320
willing to acknowledge this. This is a problem. In One

594
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.159
Samuel with twenty two, when Saul slaughtering all, having all

595
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.280
those people killed, God was present. God knew it was

596
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.880
going to happen. He could have stepped in at any point.

597
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.559
Is he not complicit? I can go from thing after

598
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.360
thing in the Bible. God sent in Now, just think

599
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.440
about this. God sent in angels to remove Lot and

600
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:03.119
his family. He intervened. They even they even stopped all

601
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.880
the men from breaking down the door, and all of

602
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:11.559
those they there was divine intervention. God intervened, He destroyed

603
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:15.000
those cities. That's divine intervention. But he could not be

604
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:20.559
bothered to intervene when Lott's daughters were getting him drunk

605
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:29.440
and about to commit incest or in other situations where

606
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:42.880
there was murder or rape. Is God complicit? God did

607
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.960
not stop Saul from maskering, mask killing, and basically a

608
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.039
complete maskering of the of the priests and their families

609
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.159
and nob for Samuel twenty two. He did. There was

610
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.719
a complete massacre that occurred. He didn't stop, He didn't intervene.

611
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.480
Yet he intervenes here to assure David's safety and to

612
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.760
reinforce David's role as his chosen king. Hey, I'm not

613
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.719
going to stop people from dying, but I'm gonna I'm

614
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:08.800
gonna intervene here. So David can walk all the way

615
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.280
up to Saul has the potential to kill him, but

616
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.280
not don't do it. But I'm gonna make sure no

617
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:24.159
one wakes up and no one nothing happens. So I said,

618
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.960
okay ai, that's great. Yeah. The selectivity of divine intervention,

619
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.400
it is. It is a philosophical problem. I agree. What's

620
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:36.559
the explanation, Hey, I said, God's actions and first Samuel

621
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:42.559
twenty six may serve a broader redemptive purpose. By preserving David.

622
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.360
Through this specific intervention, God ensures the unfolding of his

623
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.400
covenant promise to establish David's lineage as a line of

624
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.280
the Messiah. So what he's saying is like, Hey, since

625
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.440
David is the it's from his line the Messiah is

626
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.119
going to come. So he hass to intervene to protect David.

627
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.000
But all those other people in Knab, sorry, you're not

628
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.239
in the lineage of the Messiah. You all die. Hey,

629
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.440
I'm sorry. Your baby's gonna be slaughtered and your wife's

630
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.840
gonna be killed, and all your property's gonna be stolen

631
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:10.960
because you just don't happen to be in the lineage

632
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:13.480
of the Messiah. But David does. So I'm gonna make

633
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.559
I'm gonna make three thousand people go to sleep to

634
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.079
preserve him. But other people you can just suffer and die.

635
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.079
Does that help? Does that make you feel any better?

636
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:33.880
So AI doesn't really have any answers. So then AI

637
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:41.519
gives me the philological problems God's justice and goodness. So

638
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.119
then AI gives me the problem of evil. The text

639
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.400
forces us to confront the classic problem of evil. If

640
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.760
God is all powerful, he could prevent suffering and evil.

641
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.679
If God is all good, he would desire to prevent

642
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:01.920
suffering and evil. Yet suffering and evil pursuit. Well, I'm like,

643
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.440
thank you AI for giving me the classic problem. So

644
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.119
let me outline the classic problem again. If God is

645
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.880
all powerful, he could prevent suffering and evil. If God

646
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.559
is all good, he would desire to present suffering and evil. Yeah,

647
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.000
suffering and evil persist. Now what most people would do? Say? Well,

648
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.360
since suffering and evil persists, then either God is either

649
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.519
not all powerful so he can't prevent it, or God

650
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.679
is either not all good because he would desire to do.

651
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:29.400
Something about it.

652
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.400
Now, someone said, well, he did desire to do something

653
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.800
about it by sending his son. But yeah, but that okay,

654
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:40.559
we could go that direction. So I'm like, okay, Ai,

655
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.119
what has this got to do with this situation? AI says,

656
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.400
The selective intervention of God putting Saul's camp to sleep,

657
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.360
but not preventing earlier atrocities, challenges our understanding of his

658
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.760
justice and goodness. Yeah, I think it does. Now. Guess what.

659
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.000
AI doesn't bother to give me any solution here at all.

660
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.119
AI doesn't really know what to do here, so it

661
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.320
does say, it does give me this God's purpose in history.

662
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.000
The events at first Samuel are not isolated. They're part

663
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.440
of a larger narrative in which God is preparing David

664
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.880
for kingship and ultimately pointing towards Christ. Saul's actions reveal

665
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.559
the consequences of rejecting God's authority and choosing human kingship.

666
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.400
God allows these consequences to unfold, even though they result

667
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:28.159
in suffering. By not intervening earlier, God creates opportunities for

668
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.960
David and others to trust Him in the midst of hardship.

669
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.760
This is a reoccurring theme in scripture. That doesn't help

670
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:40.360
me at all, That doesn't resolve one problem, It doesn't

671
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.079
that doesn't fix anything, and so many times When pastors

672
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.320
or theologians attempt to try to answer some of this

673
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.800
to me, they give these almost like pat answers, cliches,

674
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:56.280
little bumper sticker solutions. It doesn't fix the problem. And

675
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.360
one Samuel twenty six, God causes three thousand people to

676
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.880
go to sleep. David walks in, they walk out, nobody

677
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.599
is harmed, Everything is good. But just a few chapters later,

678
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.679
God couldn't bother to intervene to stop a city from

679
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:16.239
being completely slaughtered. Not only that, if God could just

680
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:18.800
cause an entire three thousand people to go to sleep

681
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.920
when Israel came in, why didn't he just have all

682
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.800
the bad people just go to sleep and then Israel

683
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.039
just captures them and exiles them or what? But no,

684
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.840
in many cases, God told him to go in and

685
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.559
slaughter everyone. I mean, there's so many issues and looking

686
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:41.679
at all at so many of these stories. So I'm like, Okay, Ai,

687
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:43.920
you're not really providing me many answers because I don't

688
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.880
think Ai has an answer, because I don't think anybody

689
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.840
has an answer. So I'm like, okay, well, Ai, if

690
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.360
you don't have an answer, nobody really has an answer

691
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.280
that why don't sermons address this well, then Ai was

692
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.840
more than willing to address this part problem. AI says

693
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.280
many sermons fail to address these theological and philosophical tensions

694
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:12.320
for several reasons. Focus on practical application. Sermons often prioritize

695
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:18.000
moral or spiritual lessons. Trust God like David did over

696
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:22.559
grappling with difficult philological questions. See pastors when they hey,

697
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.800
be like David, trust God. Don't use the spear. We

698
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.760
turn it into a morality tale. We turn it into

699
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.599
a morality lesson. Nobody wants to deal with. Wait a minute,

700
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.239
Wait a minute, God costs three thousand people to go

701
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.480
to sleep. Doesn't that raise some serious questions? Sh We

702
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.440
don't talk about that in church. You just come to

703
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.840
get a little Bible lesson. Be like David, Be a

704
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.719
good little boy, be a good little girl. I mean,

705
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.679
not much has changed from when you went to Sunday

706
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:56.239
school as a kid to you going to church as

707
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.000
an adult. It's simply little Bible lessons with moral lessons

708
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.960
put into it, and you get three little points and

709
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.880
you get to go home and get to go to

710
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:14.400
the potlug. So the church wants people to focus on

711
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.800
the practical application. They don't want to deal with all

712
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:22.480
of this. Another reason sermons don't address it is because

713
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.760
these issues require delving into complex theological and philosophical debates

714
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:30.000
that may feel too abstract for a sermon setting. Why

715
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.639
is it too abstract for a sermon setting? Where are

716
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.679
you going to address these things? What happens is nobody

717
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.679
addressed these things, some kid goes off to university, the

718
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.599
professor addresses it. Then the church is like, oh, oh,

719
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.320
we don't know what to do. We got to help

720
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:47.000
little Johnny who's losing his faith and he's deconstructing. So

721
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:51.880
then we have to create parachurch ministries who focuses supposedly

722
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.159
on apologetics to provide some kind of answer so that

723
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.920
little Johnny can make it through university. Why does little

724
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.639
Johnny need an apologetics ministry? And the church requires how

725
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.920
much money per year to operate? The church can't do

726
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.440
the job, so that we need a second ministry that

727
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.039
needs all kinds of moneys to operate so that they

728
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.320
can help Johnny with his answers. Because when he was

729
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.880
in church, he didn't get any answers. He got little

730
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.119
morality teals, he got little lessons, he got pizza parties,

731
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.119
he got locks in lock ins, But nobody wanted to

732
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.559
address the issues behind the bulpit because we don't do

733
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.039
that in church. It's too complex, it's too difficult, it'll

734
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.800
make people uncomfortable.

735
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:31.800
It's too academic.

736
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.679
So now the kid is not prepared to answer because

737
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.519
someone's going to ask these questions. But he should have

738
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.719
heard the questions first in church. But you can't do

739
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:44.760
it behind the bulpit. So then the church fails to

740
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.880
do the job, even though it just during Johnny's lifetime,

741
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.159
from the time he was one to eighteen, all of

742
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:55.199
that time, how for those eighteen years? How much money

743
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.920
did it cost for that church to operate for eighteen years?

744
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:00.960
And at the end of eight teen years.

745
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.320
Little Johnny is not even equipped to handle basic philosophical

746
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:10.079
and philological issues that arise from the text itself. Why

747
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.280
because the church spent all of that money doing everything

748
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.360
other than equipping, which he then calls in a question,

749
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:30.599
why does the church even't exist in the first place? Yeah,

750
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.480
come on, I think I think we should have to

751
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:39.960
have this conversation. So AI doesn't really have an answer

752
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.440
to the problem. But AI's like, hey, well the church, Hey,

753
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.239
they focus on practical application. They're not going to address it.

754
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.719
They're they're fearful of the complex and difficult and only

755
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:55.760
that I love this, Ai said. Most pastors may feel

756
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.119
hesitant to raise hard questions about the biblical narrative, fearing

757
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.159
that it could undermine the congregation's faith. Sh we don't

758
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.480
want to make someone uncomfortable. We don't want to possibly

759
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:13.280
undermine their faith. Is it undermining someone's faith to go

760
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:17.920
God put these people to sleep? Doesn't that cause some

761
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.320
of you to have some questions? How does that undermine

762
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:26.519
someone's faith? It doesn't undermine someone's faith. To look at

763
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.519
the text going does that make any sense? Does that

764
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:37.920
make any sense? Does that make any sense? That's just

765
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:46.360
being willing to critique the text. And when I say

766
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:50.079
critique the text, I'm just saying being honest about that reasonable,

767
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.760
how a reasonable reading of the text, what it should

768
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.760
cause you to think, and how it should cause you

769
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:59.519
to struggle. But sid the church, we can't do that.

770
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.840
We can't do that. So church just becomes this little

771
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.679
game we play that requires a whole lot of money

772
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.159
to keep it operating, and in the end result, nobody's equipped.

773
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:19.320
Nobody really understands anything. Now, when the church does these things,

774
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:25.079
they ignore the real issues. See, when churches do this,

775
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.840
they undermine intellectual integrity thoughtful listeners. Those who really will

776
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.880
listen will notice the tension and may feel frustrated when

777
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:37.000
their questions go unacknowledged. Many people go to church and

778
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.719
they do notice this, they do struggle with this, but

779
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.199
in church they're just like, no, no, no, we're not going

780
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.599
to address this, and so they're like, where is the

781
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.679
intellectual integrity from the pulpit, going wait a minute, guys,

782
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:52.760
we've got to talk about this. This is difficult here.

783
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.519
And when the church bypasses and just skips these issues,

784
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.599
they leave believers ill equipped to wrestle with the problem

785
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:07.480
of evil and God's selective intervention in their own lives. Say,

786
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.679
when you won't address it from the pulpit, guess what

787
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.880
the people leave, and guess what they discover in their life.

788
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:17.199
Evil and pain and suffering and death exists and it

789
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.800
happens to them, and then God doesn't show up, God

790
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.679
doesn't intervene, and then they sometimes are left going, well,

791
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.679
wait a minute, I don't understand. Well, yeah, I know

792
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.679
you don't understand, but you should have already been confronted

793
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.039
with this five seconds after being a Christian ten seconds

794
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.519
after reading the Bible. But you're not. You're told to

795
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.679
read the Bible and never see these problems, never question

796
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:44.480
these things. So now you're ill equipped. When it actually

797
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.519
happens in your life, you don't know what to do,

798
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.480
and you fall apart because you're like, well, I don't

799
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.880
get it. Well you should have gotten it a long

800
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.320
time ago, but the church said with playing little reindeer

801
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.079
games and wouldn't really address what was going on. This

802
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.079
first Semuel twenty six should cause everyone to go.

803
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:01.079
I don't get it.

804
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.239
So I asked AI, how could this then be addressed?

805
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.280
AI tries to give me some ways to be AI. Look,

806
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.440
the bottom line is AI doesn't know what to do.

807
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.199
AI doesn't know what to do. It doesn't, It doesn't.

808
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.360
I really wanted to press AI further and say, hey,

809
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.280
come on, come on, talk talk to me. What do

810
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.239
we do with the deep sleep problem? And maybe I

811
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:36.119
will push it a little bit, maybe here in a minute,

812
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:38.639
I'll ask it a question in real time and see.

813
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.119
But so AI tried to say, Well, to engage with

814
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:44.679
these questions, you need a robust, stillological framework. So here's

815
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.000
what it tries to give me. It tries to give me.

816
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.519
God's sovereignty and human history. God works through history to

817
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:54.119
accomplish his redemptive purpose. His interventions are not random, but

818
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.320
are tied to his overarching plan of salvation and First

819
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.760
Samuel twenty six. God's intervention underscores David's jgitimacy as the

820
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:04.039
future king, preserving the line through which the Messiah would come.

821
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.519
So what it basically seems to say, and I'm going

822
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.440
to translate that God intervenes when God wants to intervene

823
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.719
for his purpose, and he doesn't intervene when it doesn't

824
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:14.559
fit his purpose.

825
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:15.320
So guess what.

826
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.440
Sometimes God may intervene, but it's for a deeper, bigger

827
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.639
purpose than probably just the immediate situation. And if it

828
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.800
doesn't fit God's purpose, then God doesn't intervene. And that

829
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:31.440
may mean, well, your family gets slaughtered. Now that may

830
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.719
make some people feel good. So I can read it

831
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:39.199
in a way that sounds more spiritual. God's sovereignty and

832
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.000
human history. God intervenes as it fits his redemptive purpose.

833
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:48.280
Everybody in the pup will say amen, but nobody really

834
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:50.880
understands what that means. What that means is, see, God

835
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.519
will intervene when it fits his redemptive purpose, and if

836
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.280
it doesn't fit his redemptive purpose, you get to get slaughtered,

837
00:50:56.280 --> 00:51:00.960
and you get to get killed, and you get to suffer. Hey, hey,

838
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:07.719
but he'll intervene over here. Does that make you feel better?

839
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:13.639
Maybe it does. Then AI brings up the role of

840
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.920
human responsibility. While God intervenes at times, he often allows

841
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.400
human sin to play out to demonstrate its consequences and

842
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.480
the need for redemption. Now I can't stand that explanation.

843
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.280
How many times does he need to demonstrate the consequences

844
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.639
and the need for redemption. It's been demonstrated a million times. So, hey,

845
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.559
you get to suffer because God wants to demonstrate, how

846
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:42.480
you know, the consequences of sin. The atrocities committed by

847
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:46.440
Saul at the massacret Knob reflect the tragic reality of

848
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:49.000
human rebellion and the brokenness of the world. Yeah, but

849
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:51.679
how many times do we need to see the tragic

850
00:51:51.760 --> 00:52:01.440
reality of human rebellion? It doesn't really help me. Then,

851
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:04.840
of course AI loves this one, the already not yet

852
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.400
of redemption, God's ultimate plan to deal with evils fulfilled

853
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.679
in Christ. I do agree with that. Well, there are

854
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.760
glimpses of divine intervention in the Old Testament, the full

855
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:17.679
resolution of evil awaits of Christ's second coming. I do

856
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.719
agree with that, Hey, ultimately Christ all this intervention to

857
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:25.159
stop this or to stop that. It happened at specific times,

858
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.239
you could say, argue for specific reasons, but God's plan

859
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.719
was never to intervene to fix all of this until

860
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.239
the end. In the meantime, there's going to be pain, suffering,

861
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.599
and death, and we just have to expect that without

862
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:48.960
God intervening. So then AI gave some pastoral implications. It

863
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.199
says pastors should acknowledge the tension. Preachers should acknowledge the

864
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.039
apparent inconsistencies and invite listeners to wrestle with these questions.

865
00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:59.960
Modeling of faith that seeks understanding. I agree with that

866
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.000
pastors should say, hey, guys, we got a problem here.

867
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.800
Now what the people in the pew? That the problem

868
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:07.559
is that people in the pew will get defensive and

869
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.679
they'll be like, oh, it's not a problem. Oh, it

870
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:12.400
makes perfect sense because they've never been in a church

871
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:14.639
where the pastor will say, hey, this is a problem.

872
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.199
They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, there is no problem.

873
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.119
It's simple, it's easy. What is wrong with you, there's

874
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.480
no difficulty, and they just plug their ears. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

875
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.559
I don't hear you. I don't hear you. Everything makes

876
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.880
perfect sense, Everything makes perfect sense. Everything makes perfect sense.

877
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.079
They don't. They don't know what to do with it.

878
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.639
They have no clue what to do with it. Right,

879
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:40.920
So we have to acknowledge the tension, even though it's

880
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.320
gonna make people uncomfortable. It's gonna make people uncomfortable. We

881
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.239
have to acknowledge it. Goes on to us say we

882
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:49.599
need to emphasize trust in God's character and don't really

883
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:51.599
know how that helps. We need to connect it to

884
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:56.000
the gospel. Don't know how that ultimately helps. So AI

885
00:53:56.159 --> 00:54:07.360
really doesn't have any good answers. So I'm gonna ask.

886
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.719
I'm gonna say something to AI. Hear. So, the bottom

887
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:30.039
line is God intervenes when he wants and doesn't when

888
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:38.920
when he doesn't want to, when he doesn't want to.

889
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:52.400
And people may die and suffer.

890
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:56.559
All right, I'm gonna see what a I is going

891
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:03.320
to say to that. Yeah, AI says, yes, that is

892
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:05.679
the bottom line. I put the bottom line as God

893
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:09.079
intervenes when he wants and doesn't when he doesn't want to,

894
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:11.840
and people may die and suffer, and Ai says, yes,

895
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.880
that's the bottom line, but it reflects a profound theological

896
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:18.159
reality that requires careful thought and sensitivity. The idea that

897
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.880
God intervenes when he chooses and refrains when he chooses,

898
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.679
even when it results in suffering and death is consistent

899
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:27.280
with the Bible's betrayal of God's sovereignty and human history.

900
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:32.239
The reality raises deep questions about God's character, justice, and purpose.

901
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:36.119
Here's a closer look, all right, the Bible's support for

902
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:40.760
divine sovereignty and selective intervention God's absolute control. The Bible

903
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:44.079
consistently affirms that God is sovereign over all things. He

904
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.679
has the power to intervene in human affairs, but does

905
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:51.440
so according to his will and purpose. For Samuel twenty six,

906
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:53.679
God puts Saul and his men into a deep sleep

907
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.199
and Job. God permits Satan to afflict Job, but sets

908
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:02.320
boundaries on his actions. Right God selective actions. God maractuously

909
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.280
rescues Peter from prison, but allows Stephen to be martyred.

910
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.480
God parts the Red Sea for Israel's deliverance, but allows

911
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:13.280
other nations to remain under opposition and judgment, so the tension.

912
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.559
Why doesn't God always intervene? The selective nature of God's

913
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:21.360
intervention raises philosophical and theological questions. Why allow evil and suffering?

914
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.440
If God can prevent suffering, why does he allow it

915
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.400
to happen? And in some cases and not in others?

916
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.360
This is the classic problem of evil. Why didn't God

917
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.800
intervene to stop Solve from mastering the people at Knob

918
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.599
but chose to intervene in David's favor In First Samuel

919
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:40.679
twenty six, God's purposes are beyond human understanding. God's purposes

920
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:42.519
are often hidden from us, and we are called a

921
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.599
trust in his wisdom even when we don't understand why

922
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.239
he acts or doesn't act in a certain way. God's

923
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:50.960
allowance of suffering and death as a consequence of human

924
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.639
humanity's rebellion and the fallen state of creation, But that

925
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.840
doesn't really answer anything. God allows suffering and death as

926
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.599
a consequence for human rebellion, but he creates the people,

927
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:03.880
and he created the very being Satan who would bring

928
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.199
the temptation into the garden. And then once they fail,

929
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.639
he could have stopped everything instead of allowing people to

930
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:13.119
continue to you know, to populate the world with sinful natures,

931
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.159
knowing it's going to bring about all these consequences. So

932
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that doesn't really help anything at all. I don't even

933
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:23.119
know that. That doesn't really help anything, all right. Philological

934
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.679
justifications for selective intervention, free will, and responsibility. God allows

935
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.199
human beings to act freely even when their choices lead

936
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:35.280
to suffering. This preserves human responsibility and the meaningfulness of

937
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.000
moral choices. Okay, well, hey God, but God is the

938
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.000
one who allowing it to happen. God created the world,

939
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:44.480
gives people free will, knowing all these people are going

940
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.280
to suffer. But yet he still will intervene and override

941
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.239
people's free will in some situation. So that doesn't Even

942
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.760
if you go with a hardcore free will view, it

943
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:58.719
still doesn't answer any problem. God's interventions are often tied

944
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.679
to his overreaching plan of redeta. It doesn't really help,

945
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:06.320
all right. God's sovereignty does not remove human responsibility. The

946
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:14.960
mystery of God's will all right, Yeah, So bottom line

947
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:18.159
is Ai acknowledges that's just the way it works. God may.

948
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.320
God intervenes when he wants, doesn't when he doesn't. In the

949
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.159
bottom line, you may suffer and die as a result.

950
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:26.760
Now we can wrap it up in philological language and say, well,

951
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.679
trust and trust and believe you can do that. But

952
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.559
the bottom line is we are left with this problem.

953
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.719
And first Samuel twenty six, God puts over three thousand

954
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:47.000
people tonight night, nobody wakes up, David goes in, goes out,

955
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:52.280
nobody's armed. Few chapters before entire city is slaughtered. God

956
00:58:52.320 --> 00:59:06.599
does nothing. Now that tension exists, whether you like it

957
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:10.239
or not. You can try to explain it away. You

958
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.159
can say it doesn't bother you. You can be all

959
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.440
it's usually Christian men who'll get all like.

960
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.639
Whatever, gods sovereign who can do what it re wants.

961
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:19.679
I don't really care.

962
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:21.880
Yeah, you talk all big game until I don't know.

963
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:24.159
You get a phone call that your child is dead

964
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.119
because it would have been murdered, and then you may want

965
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:37.920
to know where God was. This is the tension. This

966
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.719
is Christianity exists within this reality. Christianity exists within a

967
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.400
reality where we believe in a God whom we cannot

968
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.840
see what we are surrounded, and we experience circumstances that

969
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:52.039
constantly scream where is God? Does God even exist? Does

970
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.280
God even care? That's the tension. Now we want to

971
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:58.239
create a Christianity where oh, oh, don't worry, God will intervene.

972
00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:00.519
God will intervene. You can't tell God's going to intervene

973
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:02.559
in any way, shape or form. Until you get you

974
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:05.559
can say God will intervene at the end, and then

975
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.199
he will make all things right and it will be

976
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:08.639
a new heaven and new earth, no more pain, no

977
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:10.679
more suffering, and no more death. But in the meantime,

978
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:13.960
you can't promise God's intervening in any way, shape or form,

979
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:16.599
just like he did not intervene in One Samuel twenty

980
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:18.360
two and let all those people be slaughtered. And I

981
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.559
could go from page after page, at the page where

982
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:29.880
God doesn't seem to intervene, John the Baptist, Sorry you die, Steven,

983
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:39.840
Sorry you die, and these other situations God intervenes. And

984
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.760
that's even during the pages of the Bible where God

985
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:47.559
is intervening in very dramatic, miraculous, visible ways. Clearly we

986
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:57.360
don't see that happening today. AI doesn't have an answer.

987
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:02.320
Nobody has an answer. I don't care if you go

988
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:04.760
free will sovereignty, I don't care where you go. You're

989
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:10.920
gonna be left with the same problems. So all right,

990
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:15.840
I'll stop there. It's sixty been sixty one minutes. It

991
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:25.320
is freezing, freezing in this in this studio. I do apologize. Yeah,

992
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.480
my voice was having problems at the beginning. I think

993
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.960
I was having problems with the word maskering, maskered, maskered.

994
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:32.559
I think I was having a problem with there. I

995
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:35.880
apologize for that, probably because I was trying to speak

996
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:37.639
and freezing to that, or I'm not I can't make

997
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:39.719
any excuse whether it was warm or cold, I can

998
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:44.800
still mess up words. But yeah, I think, really what

999
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:46.639
my problem is is just trying to come up with

1000
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:51.639
a solution here, and I don't have one. But I

1001
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:54.119
think I think what we take from this is what

1002
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:58.079
should happen behind the pulpit. See, there's lots of debate.

1003
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.360
I just I got a message from or an email from.

1004
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.320
I think it's Sermons Central. They send all kinds of emails.

1005
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:07.000
They're a ministry, are supposed to help pastors and how

1006
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.679
to write their sermons. And I love to just see

1007
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:12.360
what advice they're going to give me. And they very critical.

1008
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:14.199
They send out an email the other day, very critical

1009
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:18.599
of pastors who don't turn your pulpit into a you know,

1010
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:24.119
seminary classroom. Don't don't make it so academic. It needs

1011
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:26.920
to be devotional. It needs to be emotional, it needs

1012
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.079
to be experiential. And it's like, okay, well great, and

1013
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:31.679
then the people are still going to be biblically and

1014
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:34.960
theologically illiterate, and but that's okay. We don't ever want

1015
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:40.320
to address that problem. So all right, I'm going to

1016
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:44.559
stop there. I'm going to turn the heat on. Thanks

1017
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:46.559
for listening. I wish I know what you're saying. Well,

1018
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:48.679
what's the answer. The answer is, you have to embrace

1019
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:54.199
this reality. Christianity exists within this very difficult reality. And

1020
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:57.119
until you embrace that, you either are going to create

1021
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.800
a fake Christianity and a fake idea how it works.

1022
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:04.679
And that will last you for a very long time,

1023
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:06.599
until all of a sudden you open the door and

1024
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:09.039
get punched in the face by reality. And then you

1025
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:15.119
may go, wait a minute, what happened. I know someone

1026
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.719
who's charismatic, part of a big charismatic church in this city.

1027
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.079
His father got very, very sick, and everybody in the

1028
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:24.320
church said God was going to intervene. God was going

1029
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.679
to heal his father because by his stripes. You know,

1030
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:29.800
we are healed, and all of those things, all the

1031
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:33.360
typical charismatic nonsense. Well, the man's father died wet. Guess what.

1032
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:38.840
He abandoned completely, the charismatic world. He left it couldn't

1033
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.559
take it anymore because he realized it was all fraud.

1034
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.000
See it's all you can believe stuff until you get

1035
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:47.480
hit with reality. Christianity is supposed to exist within reality,

1036
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.280
not create a fake reality that only lasts until you

1037
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:54.960
get hit with reality. And sometimes the text forces us

1038
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:58.519
to go, wait a minute, this is not This doesn't

1039
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.880
work the way we want it to work. Even the

1040
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.400
whole way we heard that sermon on First Samuel twenty six,

1041
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:05.960
it seemed to forget all the things David does wrong.

1042
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.519
In the next chapter, David slaughters people. And here's the

1043
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:13.519
crazy thing. God put three thousand people asleep and First

1044
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:18.000
Samuel twenty six to preserve David. But in chapter twenty seven,

1045
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.880
God doesn't intervene to stop David from slaughtering people and

1046
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:28.360
stilling their property. Go figure that one out. Hey, it's

1047
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:31.360
great if you're David. God puts three thousand people to

1048
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:34.679
sleep to preserve you. But in the next chapter, David

1049
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.639
gets to slaughter people. Hey didn't put David to sleep

1050
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.000
to stop that. Oh and David has a woman's husband killed,

1051
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:47.639
he doesn't do anything to stop that, or he doesn't

1052
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:51.360
do anything to stop David's adultery.

1053
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:52.159
I hope.

1054
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:55.280
But he can put three thousand people to sleep. I mean,

1055
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.159
he could have just kept a certain woman. He could

1056
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:00.639
have just said, go to sleep, don't go take a

1057
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.920
bath on the roof right now. I always got to

1058
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:05.559
do is just mess up the timing a little bit.

1059
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:08.280
Oh no, can't you can't. But here he can put

1060
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:10.599
three thousand people to sleep. These are the questions that

1061
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:14.039
should do just make you sometimes go, I don't get it.

1062
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:17.039
And it's okay to say that. I know. Look, I

1063
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:20.039
know you're not allowed to say that in church. You

1064
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:22.719
gotta be ssh no no, no, no, no, no, we

1065
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.719
don't talk that way here. I understand that you can

1066
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:28.320
you when you go to church, play the reindeer games.

1067
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:31.559
But at least here, see we can be honest. Right,

1068
01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:36.480
nobody's looking. It's a podcast. We're haul in secret, okay, ssh.

1069
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:41.360
Hey do you kind of struggle? Yeah? Do you sometimes

1070
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.920
not understand? Yeah? Does it sometimes not make any sense

1071
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:50.360
to you? Yeah, okay, we're on the same page. Sh

1072
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:53.920
don't tell anyone you listen to this podcast. Ssh.

1073
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God bless