Nov. 18, 2024
Strongholds Pt 2

A discussion about 2 Corinthians 10:3-6
A discussion about 2 Corinthians 10:3-6
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good morning everyone.
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It is Monday, November eighteenth, twenty twenty four. It is
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currently ten forty six am Central Time, and I am
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coming to you live from windy, windy, very windy, West Texas.
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That's where I'm coming to you, li from. I'm coming
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to you lie from the Theology Central studio located right
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here in windy, windy, windy, very windy, West Texas. You
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may be able to hear the noise in the background.
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I mean, the wind is like, I don't know, fifty
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miles per hour. I don't know what it is. It's
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crazy right now. I got ready to go live, and
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I was thinking, it's the microphone's going to pick up
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all of that noise in the background. But then I thought,
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you know what, it's either now or never. So it's
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it's wendy outside. Some may say, well, it's always windy
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when I listen to the Theology Central podcast, because that
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guy talking is full of hot air and it's just
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blah blah blah. Okay, all right, man, does that work?
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Does that a good illustration? I don't know, but it
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may be wendy outside. It maybe get a little windy
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here with you know, controversy, and I tend to say
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things that go against what everyone else thinks. But that's okay.
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There's got to be room within Christiandom. There's got to
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be room within Christianity for someone to kind of raise
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their hand and go, well, wait a minute, wait a minute,
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wait a minute, what about this? What about this? What
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about this? What about this? What about this? I don't
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agree with that. I don't agree with that. Okay, I
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hear your hypotheses, but let me put forth mind. Let's
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challenge this, let's test this. There's gotta be someone well
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who questions everything, right, There's got to be at least
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a few voices out there that questions everything. And I
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think I've always been the one to question everything, So
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I think I that's Look, if I try to do
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anything else, I would be I'd be fake. I would
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be I wouldn't be real. I try to be as
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I try to be as real as I possibly can.
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I mean, I don't know forever truly real?
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Right?
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Are we ever truly real? I mean, I think there's
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always a part of us that we always hide from everyone. Else.
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But I try to tell everyone, I'm just a sinner
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with a microphone trying to figure out Christianity, and I'm
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inviting you along for the journey. I'm inviting you along
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as I try to figure it out, and I do
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a lot of questioning and a lot of challenging. And
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one of those things we do, and we've been doing
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it all of twenty twenty four, and I challenged you
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to be a part of it was to download the
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sermon's two point oh app and then every single day,
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choose a random sermon, listen to it, write it down
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in a notebook, the name of the sermon, the name
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of the broadcaster, and then write a summary of what
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the sermon was about. And the goal was by the
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end of twenty twenty four, you would have one sermon
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for every single day of the year. And that journey
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has been full of twist turns, ups down and kind
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of led to some great amount of frustration, at least
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for me. But we're here in November. What did I say,
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November the eighteenth, I don't even remember the date anymore,
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November the eighteenth, meaning we're fast approaching the end of
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twenty twenty four. So I'm trying my best. I'm trying
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my best to land the plane, bring the train into
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the station, bring the boat to the harbor, whatever to
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port or however I want to use the illustration. I
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want to bring this to some kind of conclusion. That
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is the goal here. So yesterday, I'm like, you know what,
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I've been frustrated. Let's take a step back. Let's reset.
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Let's go into this with the you know, the whole
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positive attitude. We're going to listen to sermons. It doesn't
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matter if we agree or disagree. They put forth their hypotheses.
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I will put forth mind. The people listening get a
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chance to hear two different perspectives. Let's be positive, let's
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be upbeat. Let's do this. So we hit play on
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a sermon, and in that sermon they read the following words.
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For though we walk in the flesh, we do not
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war after the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare
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are not carnal, but mighty through God. To the pulling
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down of strongholds, casting down imaginations and every high thing
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that exalted itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing
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into captivity every thought, to the obedience of Christ, that
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tewod Corinthians, Chapter ten, verses three through five. That's what
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we heard read in the sermon, and then they began
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to teach on strongholds, and and what we discovered was
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to this. All the way up to this moment, I'm
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still just as perplexed and confused and like, what in
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the world did we hear because they claimed that basically
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it sounds like we build the stronghold. So it was
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very directed. Everything in the sermon was about you, you, you, me, me, me,
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what we do, what we.
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Do we do.
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It was very law base, based off we do now
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what God does, based off what we do, we build strongholds.
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And once a stronghold is built, ladies and gentlemen, this
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is what we discovered. A stronghold hinders the presence of God,
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kills the power of God, and quenches the spirit. So basically,
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if you get a stronghold, God can't do anything about it.
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Now at the same time, he said, well, God can,
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but he won't. But at the same time he said
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that the stronghold kills the power of God, hinders the
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presence of God, and quenches the spirit, seemingly rendering God,
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I guess and capable of doing anything about the stronghold.
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I have to remove the stronghold apart from the power
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of God if I want the power of God, which
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just is so confounding and confusing. So we went through it.
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There was so much. It was so frustrating by the end,
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so we worked our way through it. I think I
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brought it to somewhat of a decent conclusion. We went
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through the history of church history about how those throughout
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Church history have taught on strongholds what they are and
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what they aren't. In this particular case, and the sermon
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that we were reviewing, his view of a stronghold was
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more about behavior, behavior, behavior, behavior behavior. If you listen
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to the wrong music boom, you get a stronghold. It
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was about behavior, and that's I don't think that's what
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strongholds are actually about in any way, shape or form.
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So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to
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quickly go back and review how strongholds have been taught
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throughout Church history. Then we're going to just finish up
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the last I don't know, ten minutes of this sermon,
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just to say we brought it to some kind of
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a conclusion, and then we're gonna look at kind of
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how the text define strongholds. We're gonna also look at
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the problem of connecting strongholds with satan. I think there's
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a possible problem with that, and then just try to
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bring this to some kind of conclusion. So if you
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didn't listen to the one yesterday, go back and listen
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to it, because that's where the majority of the sermon
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is was reviewed. You can definitely do that. But for now,
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let me just remind you of this, this idea, the
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concept of strongholds has been debated, discussed and talked and
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taught and discussed and talked about throughout Church history, with
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varying degrees of interpretations. Okay, just so that you know that.
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I know it's a shock, but I know. Look, it
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doesn't matter. You open a Bible verse, you go look
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at church history. There's no agreement. Okay, there's no agreement.
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No one ever agrees on anything. It's a debate, debate, debate, debate, discussion, talk.
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You just that's what happens, all right. In the context
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of Second Corinthians Chapter ten, Paul seems to use the
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idea of a stronghold metaphorically to describe arguments. Ideas are
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patterns of thought that stand in opposition to the knowledge
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of God. So, if you look at the context of
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Second Corinthians, chapter ten, a stronghold seems to be thinking ideas,
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philosophies that stand in opposition to the knowledge of God.
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Here's the knowledge of God, here's the truth of God,
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and here's these thoughts, these ideas, these ideologies, these philosophies
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that stand in conflict with the knowledge of God and
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the truth of God. It seems to be what a
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stronghold primarily is about. In its context, the immediate passage
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focuses on taking every thought captive and demolishing false arguments.
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This would seem to indicate that the apostle Paul is
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likely addressing intellectual or ideological barriers, rather than some type
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of demonic stronghold or psychological issues as later interpretations have suggested.
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See these later when you start talking about demons and
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Satan and all of that type of thing. Maybe you
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know certain sins. All of that came later in church history.
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Early church was like, oh, this is about thinking, this
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is about ideology, this is about philosophy. Later on things
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started to change. So if we kind of go over
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the centuries and kind of Look, well, here's kind of
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what we find. We have the historical and philological interpretation.
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We have the historical and philological interpretation the early church
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fathers tended. Now, this doesn't mean every single church father
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was unanimous on this, so please don't think I'm saying
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they all thought the same way, but they tended to
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it seems like possibly the majority were. They interpreted strongholds
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more in line with Paul's message focusing on intellectual pride,
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false teachings. But this is very important. Some of the
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church fathers also included entrenched sins. So for the most part,
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they focused on intellectual pride, false teaching, ideal ideology, philosophy.
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But some started to going, well, I think a stronghold
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could also be an entrenched sin, a prolonged sin. Now
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they tip saw strongholds as internal, mental or spiritual bearers,
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barriers within a person's mind. Primarily, this was a mind thing,
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a thinking thing. It was a spiritual barrier. It was
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a something internal, something mental. It wasn't that's that's kind
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of what it was about. It was about the way
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you were thinking, your thoughts, your way of understanding things.
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That's what it was about. That's kind of the historical
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philological interpretation. And that's where I think when well, something
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changes in church history, what changes is we moved from
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really the early church to the mid evil church. And
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guess what shows up the mystical approach. We now have
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a mystical approach to what a stronghold is, and mid
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evil times, the idea of spiritual warfare grew to include
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more elaborate systems of thought around spiritual strongholds. Instead of
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saying mental strongholds, it becomes spiritual strongholds. So they sometimes
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what they would do in this mystical medieval approach, they
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would kind of begin to they would they would begin
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to kind of refer to strongholds, sometimes would connect them
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to demons or territorial spirits. Some mystics even began to
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describe strongholds as attachment to worldly things or patterns of
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sin that needed to be broken through by using aesthetic
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practices or spiritual disciplines. So all of a sudden, strongholds
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they begin to change the way people saw them. During
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the medieval period, this mystical approach came to the subject,
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and it's like oh oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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See you're attached to worldly thing. And even in the
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sermon we reviewed, it's the music you listen to. You
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love that music, that's a stronghold. Oh, you love those
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kinds of movies, that's a stronghold. Oh. And so now
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it becomes what your attachment or your love for worldly things,
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that's the stronghold that didn't exist in the early churches.
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Understanding this is because of the medieval mystical approach, which
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then turned us into kind of a spiritual warfare Satan demons,
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territorial spirits, and so what did you need to do?
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You got to fight the stronghold. How do aesthetic practices? Fast,
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give up this, give up that, don't do this, don't
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do that, spiritual disciplines. So it became very focused on you, your efforts,
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what you do, and the whole concept began to change.
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Now we go from kind of this mystical approach until
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we come to the modern interpretation. The modern interpretation doesn't
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go back to the early Church. The modern interpretation goes
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back to mysticism of the medieval period. If you look
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at recent decades, especially within the influence of certain strands
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of charismatic teaching, strongholds are sometimes interpreted as spiritual blockages
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created by demonic forces. Generational sins are psychological patterns. This
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has led to practices such as deliverance ministries that focus
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on identifying and breaking specific stronghold and a believer's life. Now,
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the person we're listening to, the sermon we're listening to,
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they would be as opposed to charismatic theology as they
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could be. I guarantee you they would be against it.
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Yet much of what they say seems to contradict their
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claim of being against charismatic theology. One he says God
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told him to say this, he says God. Basically he
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seems to refer to God speaking to him outside of
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the Bible. That's very much in line with charismatic theology.
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And two he goes with this more like charismatic idea
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of what a stronghold is. It does not reflect the
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early Church's idea. So when you compare all of those
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interpretations to the actual text, much of what is taught
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today about strongholds is arguably more of reading into the
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text than a direct drawing from the text. When you
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come to strongholds, pastors read the text they preach it,
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you think they're pulling from the text. But what's actually happening.
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They're reading into the text. They're reading these concepts, these
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ideas that can be traced back primarily to medieval mysticism.
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It's it's not Exegesus, it's is Jesus. And I know
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there's such a fine line there, because you sit in
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a church, you're like, well, the pastor read the scripture,
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he explained this scripture in this scripture, Clearly it's exegesis.
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Now just reading the scripture. Claiming you're pulling the point
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