Sept. 22, 2024

Sin and Lordship Salvation

Sin and Lordship Salvation

We consider Lordship salvation in light of the reality of sin

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We consider Lordship salvation in light of the reality of sin

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All right, for the next two hours, we're going to

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be dealing with a number of important issues, all right.

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So sometimes I try to decide, when things are going

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on within Christianity or within the culture, how much to

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bring to the pulpit. But because of where we are,

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obviously we're going through the Book of Romans looking at

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all of the their force and the next therefore we

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are at just fits perfectly with everything that's been going

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on over the last week. So we're going to bring

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in that bring some of those things in in this

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hour and in the next hour. But what the goal

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here is to really I want us to consider Christianity

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and how it handles a specific thing. The other things

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going on are not the focus. The focus is on

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these pilological matters, all right. So let's begin with this,

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all right. If you were to write on paper right now,

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the Christian life is a life of what would you

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write there at the end? The Christian life is a

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life of what would you put down? How would you describe?

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The Christian life is a life of what? The Christian

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life is a life of what what would you put down? Yeah,

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I'm asking for you to answer, Okay, the Christian life

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is a life of faith. Okay, so what do you say,

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Robert challenges. Okay, that's a good one. Anybody else nobody

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else wants to commit. Okay, Well, for our purpose here,

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there's probably a lot of things you could put there

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that would not necessarily be incorrect. But the thing that

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I want to put down that I believe Christianity will

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deny is that the Christian life is.

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A life of sin.

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Typically, it is taught and almost every church that the

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Christian life is a life of victory. The Christian life

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is a life of overcoming sin. That is the normal

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way Christianity is sold. Before you became a Christian, you

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were a bad guy. Now you become a Christian, you

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are one of the good guys. And now because we're

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one of the good guys, we can judge all of

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the people who are still the bad guys.

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That's the way Christianity is developed. All right.

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So and if you were, and I think that that's

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very important. The Christian life is a life of sin.

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I think that that's what we need to put down.

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That is at least my hypothesis, and I think facts

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back that up and facts prove it.

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So I want you to do this if you.

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Can try to write down five sins, five sins that

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you think are common within Christianity. I want you to

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think of things that would be very common in Christianity.

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Five sins that are common happen all the time within Christianity.

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The lives of blae levers. You can put down five

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that you were familiar with. Whatever, five sins. Just just

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think of five that are common that they happen all

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the time, continually, perpetually.

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Five sins. Five sins.

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You can go your top five, go with your husband's

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top five, and whatever you want to write down. Okay, five,

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but just things that you know. I mean, you've been

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everyone in this room claimed to have been Christians for

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a very long time, so you've been around Christians, You've

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been in churches. Five sins that are just far more

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common than anyone wants to admit.

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All right, what do we got? What do we got?

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Self righteousness?

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Okay, that's idolatry, poor stewardship, corrupt communication, apathy.

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Okay.

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I think we could all find scriptures that would condemn

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those things.

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Do we would? We agree? We can find scriptures? All right?

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Anybody else got any if they wanted that were different?

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Than that list envy, Okay, what gossip?

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Yeah? That those are those are those are common? Those

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are pretty common, Okay? Any others? Oh, pride and self deceit.

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Pride definitely is there? Coveteousness right, lying? Okay, I mean,

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come on, that's it. I mean, bearing false witness, coveteousness.

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I mean, we can just go with some of the

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basic ones, right bitterness, anger, unforgiveness, not loving your enemy,

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or we could go with a big one. How many

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Christians are holy as God is holy? Zero?

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That's a sin because we're literally commanded.

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Okay.

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How many are as perfect as God is perfect?

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None? Remember Jesus in the Summer of the Mounth said

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to be perfect? I mean, you know the ones I'm

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going to go to. How many love God with other heart, mind, body,

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and soul. How many love their enemies? I mean, I

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mean what I'm showing is it does not take long

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for us to make a list that would say Christians

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of all kinds of churches, of all kinds of denominations,

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and of all kinds of philological backgrounds, do what on

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a regular and.

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Consistent basis sin.

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My argument for the next probably two hours is going

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to be this. Christianity has a reality that Christianity doesn't

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want to acknowledge, and that inevitably Christianity does not really

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know how to handle this reality. We don't sell Christianity

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with admitting that reality, do we? How is Christianity sold?

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If you don't know it, everyone should know it. It

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comes from Second Corinthian chapter five. If anyone is in Christ,

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he's a new creature. All things what.

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Passed away?

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Exactly right, that we are in Christs, so that everything

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has become new. The old is gone. In fact, it

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is told over and over and over. And this is

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mind boggling, is that in sermon after sermon after sermon,

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what do you hear you have been given a new heart?

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At the same time, we will sing a praise song

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that says created me. Well, why does God need to

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created me a clean heart if I'm a Christian? Because

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I thought I was already given a new heart. On

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one hand, we hear sermons that say, hey, if you're

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in Christ or a new creature, old things passed away,

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all things have become new. At the same time, five

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seconds later in the sermon, it will still say we

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need to fight and struggle against sin. What are we

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fighting and struggling against. If we've been made a new

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creature and the old is gone, there would be nothing

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to fight against. It's this weird contradiction and it can

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be maddening to listen to. It can just be like

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you listen to sermons and at some point, I just

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like you could play a drinking game and you'd be

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drunk by the time it's over, because it just makes

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no sense. It's just never ending circular reasoning and contradiction.

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So how do we handle it? Well? I could now

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this at the point I do have in my notes

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historically all the different ways Christianity has tried to handle

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this problem. Right, I can go and I've got a

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long list of all the different ways, and maybe at

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some point we'll get to it. But for this hour,

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we're only going to look at one way that Christianity

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tries to handle it, all right, and you know this way?

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It is called lordship salvation. Now, the reason we're going

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to focus on this is because of all the craziness

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that has happened this week. If I was to ask

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you to name the three most influential lordship salvation pastors

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in modern history, I think we all know who we

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would name first, Yeah, we can call him the og

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right right here, this book Gospel according to Jesus, right

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right here, right Who would be second? James Motgomery Boyce

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possibly most put R. C. Sproll As number two, right

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if you look at a list, right the late RC.

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Sprowl.

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And I'm not going to mention number three. The reason

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I'm not going to mention number three is because he

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was removed from ministry this week because of sin, and

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he's attached to MacArthur's school and he's attacked attached to

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Liganier ministry.

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RC. Sprolls Ministry.

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Because it's not about him, all right, everybody understand it's

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not about him.

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Have no desire to mention him.

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There's news articles everywhere, It's been everywhere. It's this huge thing.

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There's been nine thousand YouTube videos made. Okay, I have

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no desire to get into that. But what I want

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to get into is the fact that his lordship salvation

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theology will be of no assistance to him now, and

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that what this brings up is that whether your lordship,

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whether you're not lordship, whether you're conservative or whether you

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are liberal, whether you are reformed or not reformed, whether

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you go to a non denominational church, you go to

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a denominational church. What is the reality of the Christian life? Sin? Now,

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if I look at the comments on Christian publications publishing

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this story, the comments have been absolutely insane. Basically a

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number a number one I could put probably rank them,

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but one of the main ones is no man who's

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a Christian would commit such sin, so he's not saved. Now,

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that's lordship salvation mentality coming down to people who may

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not even know what lordship's salvation is. It is so

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infiltrated the church, so immediately he's being thrown out of

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the Kingdom of God because of sin. If anyone tries

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to argue against them, then basically you are a heretic,

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a false teacher, and you're an Antiinomian and you don't

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know what you're talking about, so you can't even reason

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with them. Okay, well no, I guess nobody says, all right, right,

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I mean it's it's ridiculous, and well that gets to

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another another issue. So what happened is fighting for the faith,

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which is Chris rosebro on his ministry, someone I wrote

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this long thing out about lordship salvation now they mention

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the pastor's name like fifty thousand times. So as I

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read through this and we talk about it, I'm going

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to do everything in my power not to mention the

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name if I mentioned the first Just the thing is,

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don't try.

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To find it. Don't try.

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It's not about the person. Can everyone understand that it's

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not about the person. I don't want you to asking

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me about the person. It's irrelevant. Okay. I'm not here

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to condemn the person. I'm not here to judge the person.

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This is a philological issue. Does everyone understand that there's

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a philological element here. I know, as Christians sometimes we

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like the scandal, we like the personality, but the scandal

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and the personality is never the issue. The theology is

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the real issue. Right, So what do we do? So

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I'm going to go through what someone wrote and I

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think they bring up some very important questions and then

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maybe we'll we'll get into a little bit more about lordship,

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depending on how fast we can get through this. All Right,

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So this person who this started off this way. First

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of all, I am not writing this as a condemnation

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of the particular pastor, which I applied.

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Right, It's we.

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Don't need to condemn it because the sin is already condemned. Right,

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we don't need to condemn it. It's already condemned. Now

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we can say that, yes, sin is the sin is wrong.

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But the issue is we don't need to heap more condemnation.

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The condemnation is already there, all right. The author goes

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on to say, it's actually the opposite. This is really sad,

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and everyone should agree, right, whenever sin happens, it should

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be sad.

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Now, my problem is already.

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Is in it weird how some sins are labeled sad

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and other sins? I mean, did we just not list

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a whole list of sins that we really do? We go, oh,

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that's really sad. That's really sad that that person's bearing

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false witch. That's really sad that that person is spreading gossip. Now,

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sometimes depending on the situation, we may but those sins

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happen all around us and in us, and we don't

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really have much of an emotional impact, does it. Hey,

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there's someone in your church who's prideful. Okay, right, yes,

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so already we see that there's this this is a

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common thing within Christianity. We'll we'll break that down a

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little bit more right, say yes, like, oh may okay, right,

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when someone as prominent as this particular pastor is falls,

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Now the word falls, let's start right, start right, stop

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right there. Within a number of the Christian articles that

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I read, the comments, it seems people hate the word

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falls or fell or had fallen into sin. They loathe

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that word. There's a lot of people who do. And

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they seem to say that they don't like that word

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because they think it seems to imply, well that the

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person just stumbled or fell into the sin and they

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bear no responsibility.

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fall in or fell is.

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Not denying someone's responsibility.

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It's just it's a biblical philological term.

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Right. We talk about the fall of Satan, we talk

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about the fall of Adam and Eve. Right, it just

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means that we that we were standing in this place

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and we fell down. Right, It's almost like the idea

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of falling over or falling down. It's not saying that

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the person bears no responsibility and they were like they're

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over here looking God God and they stumble and it

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fell over. I know we can give that impression. And

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so it was kind of frustrating watching some of these comments.

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It's kind of like it's a common term, right, It's

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been used. It's not to deny once because whenever someone

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falls or sins, and evitably, what do the public want?

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They go for blood? Right, They want the person.

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They want them exposed, they want it talked about, they

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want them destroyed, they want them crucified, they want they

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want shame, and they don't want any language that would

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possibly show any form of mercy and grace. They want

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to know every detail.

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They want it out.

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And it's like whoa. I mean, Christians come like they

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grab the they grab the hammer and the nails, and

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they're ready to crucify someone in the public square. It

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is crazy. It's like whoa, It's it's just a term,

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all right. The point is the person sinned, all right,

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So the term fall does not necessarily mean what.

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It's not negating the.

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Seriousness of it. Okay, Can everyone understand that, all right?

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The tragedy isn't just the failure itself. It's the deeper

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irony and what follows. The sad reality is that the

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very theology this person preached for years, lordship salvation will

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likely leave him with a message of pulling himself back

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up by his own bootstraps. Now, I will argue it

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will not leave him to pull himself up by his

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own bootstraps. It will leave him possibly just done. Because

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those within the lordship world will typically do what to

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someone who does this, throw them out of the Kingdom

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of God, say they're not even saved, and just be

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basically do what with them, wash their hands. Well, this

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particular pastor, guess what how MacArthur's ministry handled him.

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He just deleted it. He's gone. He doesn't even exist anymore.

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You go to Master Seminary because he you know, he

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was very much involved in MA just gone. Just deleted,

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not like a statement like, hey, we we understand that

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this is sin, but we are going to do everything

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in our power to show mercy and grace and restore. No,

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just deleted, just deleted, like it didn't exist. And you're

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kind of like, is is that the way do you

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just delete someone?

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I understand deleting the content, but why wouldn't you just

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leave something there going? Yes, we are aware of the

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sin and we're going to do everything in our power

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to do what to address it in a biblical way

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by not excusing sin, but at the same time doing

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what showing mercy, love and compassion to everyone involved. Right,

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I mean, you can give a statement where you're not

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in it, but no, it's just gone just delete, just

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gone delete that.

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That's not the way it should be done.

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Right, aren't we glad God didn't just delete David from

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the Bible? Solemn from the Bible, Paul Abram Abraham, because

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all these men, their sin is where God doesn't delete it,

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does he? It's right there and many and these men

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who do these horrible things then are talked about in

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the Hall of Faith in Hebrews, and you're like, wait,

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how did they show up there? Because well, there's a

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whole theological explanation for that. So I don't know if

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it's going to leave him pulling himself up with his

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own bootstraps. I think it may leave him as a

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man without a country in a sense that he'll just

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be everyone's just going to turn their back and do this.

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I won't acknowledge. I'm not going to acknowledge. I'm not

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gonna do anything. Or and then sadly, though, to be fair,

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g just what others will do, because I've already seen it.

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This person.

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Not only did he teach the lordship salvation, obviously he's

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connected to Ligua in their ministries, what other theological perspective

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did he teach?

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Calvinism?

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So guess what immediately people who hate Calvinism are doing.

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Calvinism is the reason. Calvinism is the reason Calvinism is

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a false teaching, and that false teachers are the ones

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who fall. Are false teachers the only one who fall?

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Because I think I've known plenty of non reform people

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to fall. Right reform people fall, non reform people fall,

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Charismatics fall, Non Charismatics fall, Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Church of Christ,

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Catholic Is there any group that doesn't have these things happen?

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There's no group.

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Why because the Christian life is a life of sin

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and so and so guess what. Some Christians will just

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throw him out of the Kingdom of God. Others will

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use it as an opportunity to attack an entire theological system.

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Those are what are we going to see? Christianity is

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incapable of handling sin, which we should be the experts

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in right And why should we be experts at handling sin?

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Because Christianity is a life of sin. All right, everybody,

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I'm going to continue to say that, right, yeah, you

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and we should be understanding because we all sin, right,

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and that's going to be very key in our in

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our Romans message. All right, So this person goes, what

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this pastor really needs right now are Christian brothers and

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sisters to come along him as fellow sinner saints. I

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love that Christians should come along with him as what

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as a fellow sinner and saint. Well, we are all sinners,

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but we're all saints at the same time. Remember that

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was Luther's idea that kind of confused everyone. How can

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I be a sinner and a saint at the same

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time because I'm a sinner what in practice? But I'm

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a saint in my position before God, right, which is

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I thought was the whole Protestant Reformation. But obviously Luther

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lost that war, right, The Catholics did not defeat the product.

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Make it very clear, Catholicism did not defeat the Protestant Reformation.

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Protestants defeated the Protestant Reformation. I know that will tick

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off a lot of people, but it's just absolutely true,

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all right, And these sinners and saints should come alongside

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him to remind him that no sin can separate you

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from from God if you believe in the Gospel alone.

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That's the message of grace.

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But unfortunately, Lordship's Salvation doesn't leave much room for that

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kind of comfort and a situation like this. Lordship Salvation

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consistently teaches that before someone can truly accept the Gospel,

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they must count the cost and be willing to.

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Give up everything to Christ.

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It emphasizes the person's willingness to sacrifice as a sign

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of genuine faith worth. How do you know your faith

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is genuine because you're willing to do what? Give up everything?

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Count the cost? And I know that because I used

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to preach that message emphatically over and over and over,

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because I learned it from where this book. The worst

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thing that ever happened in my Christian life was buying

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Christian books.

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Okay, I should never have done that.

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Okay, that book impacted everything of my Christian life. You

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got to be count the cost. Count the cost, Count

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the cost, Count the cost. Because I conflated which two

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ideas salvation and discipleship. I conflated the two and that

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salvation and discipleship are what.

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The same thing?

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Because that's what lordship teaches right, Well, other than saying

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no no, the scriptures that call me to Christ for

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salvation is about grace alone, through faith alone. The scriptures

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that call me to discipleship are about what.

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Doing this and this and this and this and then?

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Is there not a long list when it comes to

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the discipleship versus Hey, you can't be his disciple unless

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you're willing to do what, Die to yourself, deny self,

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follow him, not follow self. And if you don't do

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those things, you can't be his disciple. You gotta hate

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mother and father. All those scriptures, Well, it's all due.

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It's a list of dos and don'ts is it not? Well,

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I have to do all of those things in order

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to be saved, Well, then nobody's truly saved. Lordship salvation

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makes you you've got to be willing to do all

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of this stuff. Well, if you're willing to do all

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of this stuff, it's gonna have a hard time processing

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what your ongoing sin, because how are you continuing to sin?

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If you gave up everything to.

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God and you're denying self, dying to self, why are

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you still That would then call into your question to

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do what to willing to do that, which then would

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call into question what your salvation. That's where you will

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be left. Lordship teaches that before someone can truly accept

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the Gospel, they must count the cost and be willing

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to give everything up. It emphasizes the person's willingness to

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sacrifice as a sign of genuine faith.

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So here's the ironic question.

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Does this sin now prove that this pastor wasn't willing

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to give everything up? And for that matter, what about

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every other sin? The fact that someone sins after making

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such a commitment only proves that nobody can live up

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to those kinds of commitments. That's the irony of lordship.

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You're gonna be willing to do all of this, but

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what happens People continue to sin? So then it should

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call into question everyone's willingness, which then should ca into

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question everyone's salvation.

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How does lordship get around that?

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Because inevitably, and you know what we do, And I

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started talking about this even when I was still preaching lordship,

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is that we had created our own system of mortal.

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I even started to talk at this point, my brain

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was still trying to process it. But even I begin

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to realize, wait a minute. The ends calls everyone to

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question my salvation, but this ends nobody cares about why. Right,

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that's that's that fifty of these are okay, one of

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these well true, Well the individual will do that as well.

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But and lordship other people. Lordship is all about judging

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everyone else. I mean, lordship is all I mean. Lordship

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may try to deny that, but I'm sorry. Lordship is

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always about you tell, determining who saved and who's not saved.

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Why do you want that power so bad? Because lordship

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wants that power to be able to say that.

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Person's not saved, that person's not saying who are you?

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Who made you? God? And that's going to be very

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much a part of Romans too, which calls it at

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into question when we get to that in the next hour.

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All right, so you can already see that.

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That's just.

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It just absolutely destroys.

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Everything, all right, So let me read this whole thing again.

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Lordship consistently teaches that before someone can truly accept the Gospel,

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they must count the costs and be willing to give

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everything up. It emphasizes the person's willingness to sacrifice as

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a sign of genuine faith So here's the ironic question.

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Does a sin now prove that this particular pastor wasn't

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willing to give everything up? And for that matter, what

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about every other sin?

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The fact that someone sins.

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After making such a commitment only proves that nobody can

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live up to this kind of commitment. Lordship puts faith

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and all our ability rather than Christ alone, and that

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makes the sting of failure that much worse. Now, what's

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even worse, though I'm a little bit I will disagree

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a little bit with here is Lordship will constantly say,

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not that it's our ability. Lordship will say the reason

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we do all of this is because God is doing

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it and us and through us. Well, that only creates

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more problems, right, because if God is doing it in

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me and through me, then what should be the inevitable

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result perfection? So then that just creates another broken circle

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within lordship salvation. But then the thing is, if you

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believe God is the one doing it for you and

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then you commit the sin that everyone thinks is the

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big one, right, whatever it may be, well then you

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know you're gonna be left questioning your own salvation, because

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then that would seem to call that God is not

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doing what working in you, which I think I'm so

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sick a Christian talking about what God is a doing

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inside of us, because it makes no sense. If God

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is doing all of this, we should be perfect. And

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if we're not perfect, then you're only an admittable conclusion

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will be God is not working in you. Therefore nobody

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is saved. This is where Christianity is fundamentally broken, and

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nobody wants to admit it. Now they're gonna quote from

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the pastor who I almost said his name. They're gonna

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quote from the pastor who has fallen. All right, here

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we go. The gospel that leads to heaven tomorrow leads

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to holiness today. The gospel that leads to heaven tomorrow

474
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:49.599
leads to holiness today. No holiness, no heaven end quote,

475
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No holiness, no heaven. So according to his own words,

476
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what does that mean? He's not saying. And if no

477
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:05.160
holiness means no heaven, no one is saved because no

478
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:13.240
one is holy, because holy is what perfection. So how

479
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.599
can you preach a sermon and guess what he preaches

480
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.079
that sermon and everybody's like a man. He's such a

481
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.599
great pastor. Oh, he's the greatest expository of scripture I've

482
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:28.039
ever heard. No, that's not preaching, that's insanity, that's propaganda.

483
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.400
That's straight up a lie that denies the very reality

484
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:33.880
he had to know when he said those words, that

485
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.160
he himself is not holy. But do you know what

486
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.400
the sad part is, I used to preach the same

487
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:54.440
stupid way. Sadly, I don't think it will now sometimes

488
00:29:54.480 --> 00:30:09.960
it does, But go ahead, as far as what no, no,

489
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:19.799
no holiness, no heaven, Well right, no, nobody's going to happen, okay,

490
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.960
right right now now, now, Yes, sometimes I do believe

491
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:28.599
it a certain sin can wake someone up to their theology.

492
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But I just think Lordship Salvation has been around a

493
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.839
long time. And guess what Lordship Salvation has seen for

494
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:38.759
it since its inception. Failure failure, failure, failure, failure, failure, failure,

495
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:40.279
fail failure, failure, failure.

496
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Fail you fail failure.

497
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.000
Okay, I mean if we go back to how look

498
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how MacArthur handled the City, I mean it's famous case now,

499
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.720
I mean it's everywhere. The woman separates from her husband,

500
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.240
wants to get a divorce because he's abusing and sexually

501
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.400
abusing her children.

502
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:00.000
How did MacArthur's church handle it.

503
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:05.200
She got excommunicated, He goes to prison, and the and

504
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:10.759
they support the man in prison as like a prison missionary,

505
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:16.400
the man sexually abused as children, and they have yet

506
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.680
to remove her excommunication. She's still excommunicated to this day,

507
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.440
even after all the story came out. How is that

508
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.079
even humanly possible? Or wouldn't you just simply say what

509
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:35.000
we messed up? Is that hard? So we're gonna remove

510
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:38.160
her excommunication even though we still believe divorce is wrong.

511
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.799
But because of all the you know, other circumstances to

512
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.759
this case, we've obviously our judgment was wrong. Is it?

513
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.319
Can we not agree that our judgment ex Christians is

514
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.880
typically wrong, not always right? But no, no, no, the

515
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:58.160
woman is still excommunicated, Like that's insane to me. How

516
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.440
can she still be excommunicating for what she's turned over

517
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.839
to Satan, for the destruction of the flesh, for leaving

518
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:12.279
someone who's sexually abusing her kids. That's Christianity. So that's

519
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:17.000
lordship not willing to do what to budge or to

520
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.359
change its view. That's where you just have to go. Man,

521
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.440
we gotta get this, we gotta get this right. I've

522
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:29.200
been wrong before a million times, like every minister has

523
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:34.880
been wrong, every church has been wrong. Why because we're

524
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:42.799
fallible people, right? Are we infallible? No? So the whole thing.

525
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:47.720
I just but that quote is insane, no holiness, no heaven.

526
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.119
At the same time, I'm not shocked to see that quote.

527
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:51.960
That's standard lordship.

528
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:56.640
Salvation talk, right, that's just standard, and you preach it.

529
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.279
What confuses me is the people in the pew. We'll

530
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.319
say amen. What are you saying amen to? Because what

531
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:11.119
should ever win into pew? Do? Well, I'm not saved.

532
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.160
Remember I talked about my friend's church in Iowa when

533
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.519
they were preaching through the Sermon on the Mount, and

534
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:19.759
he kept saying, if you don't obey the Sermon on

535
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.440
the Mount, you prove your repentance is not genuine. Therefore

536
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.640
you're not saved. And I heard the people in that

537
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:26.839
congregation say amen. And I gave my friend a hard

538
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.720
time saying, well, obviously your church is better than my

539
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.319
church because nobody at my church should say amen to that,

540
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:37.079
including their pastor, because none of us obey the Sermon

541
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:37.720
on the Mount.

542
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:38.279
Perfectly do we?

543
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:40.279
I can go to one verse in the Sermon on

544
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.519
the Mount be he perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

545
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.640
Does anybody obey that? All? Right? Well, then we all

546
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.440
do what. We all fall short of the Sermon on

547
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.200
the Mount because the Sermon on the Mount was never

548
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.160
designed for us to be able to obey it. It was

549
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.119
designed to show us our inability to obey it. So

550
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:57.960
therefore we need faith and the one who preached it,

551
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.400
because the one who preached it is the only one

552
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:03.319
who could omit it. You see how that's a radically

553
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:10.079
different approach to Christianity. So I'm gonna read this again,

554
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.119
taking this pastor's own words, The gospel that leads to

555
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.159
heaven tomorrow leads to holiness today.

556
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.400
No holiness, no heaven. End quote.

557
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:19.639
Now this is the author goes on and asks this,

558
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.239
but what happens when someone stumbles in a big way?

559
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:23.840
Now I don't.

560
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.800
Even like the way that's written. What do you mean

561
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.440
what happens when stumbles in a big way? Shouldn't the

562
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.840
issue be what happens when they sin in any way?

563
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.320
Because any sin is what.

564
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:39.400
Not holiness?

565
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.320
Does everyone understand that any sin, the smallest sin, is

566
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.280
not holiness? In fact, the smallest sin is what incompatible

567
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.760
with holiness? Because holiness is separate, it's other than sin.

568
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.119
So the issue is not what happens when someone stumbles

569
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.679
in a big way. The question should be happens when

570
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.400
someone commits the smallest sin? And I don't even like

571
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.760
to use the word the smallest sin, but I have

572
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.000
to use it so that you understand what I'm referring to,

573
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because like it or not, we have small sins and

574
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:13.320
we have big sins. And I don't know why we

575
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.239
condemned Catholics for that because we do the exact same thing.

576
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.320
What does lordship do with that? If you're going to

577
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.480
preach no holiness, no heaven, well, then guess what you're saying,

578
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:30.639
No one is saved. Does that mean that they miss

579
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:32.960
out on heaven? If that's true, what does it say

580
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.440
about Paul who called himself the chief of all sinners? Now,

581
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.840
when Paul called himself the chief of all sinners, how

582
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.320
does lordship handle that? Well? He was just very sensitive.

583
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:47.840
He was just very sensitive to small sins. Now when

584
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.199
he called himself the chief of sinners, it would.

585
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:51.719
Be some times.

586
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I wish we could find some document where Paul lists

587
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.079
his sins. But if he listed any big sins, it

588
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.760
would blow everyone's mind. Right, if Paul is calling to

589
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.679
him self a chief of sinner, there's a high probability

590
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.800
that he knew of some sin in his life, right,

591
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:09.920
probably sin that nobody would want to hear. We'd probably

592
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.880
like Paul did want No, Paul probably wasn't saved. That

593
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.679
would be the Christian answer, because because how did lordship

594
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.199
get around all the sin in the Old Testament? Typically

595
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.039
Christians will say something not necessary lordship, But Christians in

596
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.440
general say, well, they didn't have the Holy Spirit, so

597
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.239
they couldn't be as good as we can be. Well,

598
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.360
that's just ridiculous nonsense, right, because Paul himself said do

599
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.679
what Paul had the Holy spirit obviously, but they say

600
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.199
that Paul what he says, he's the chief of sinner,

601
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.599
it was no big sin like David or Solomon or

602
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.400
anything like that, because we've got to minimize it. Right,

603
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.239
But what did Paul say, the things I want to

604
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.519
do I don't the things I don't want to do.

605
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.199
One of those things Paul didn't want to do that

606
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:59.119
he did. That could be really that could be a

607
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:11.360
big list, right, right, I mean there's a lot of things, right, yeah, right,

608
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:17.960
for exactly, I know so then again some people come

609
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.719
and say, well, Paul said these words before he was

610
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.199
saved and all that nonsense.

611
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.320
Right, it's just all it ridiculous.

612
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.280
All right, So now let's talk about Now they're going

613
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.039
to talk about MacArthur, all right, because he's one of

614
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.679
the most vocal proponents of lordship and has made no

615
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.000
hesitation in condemning other pastors who has fallen. So they

616
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.880
named some other pastors who have fallen. For one of them,

617
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.960
MacArthur called him a heretic after he fell, saying that

618
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.280
his theology was an excuse to sin and that his

619
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.039
failure proved he wasn't saved.

620
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.000
That was a good one for MacArthur.

621
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.920
Then came Robbi Zacharias, who everyone thought was, you know,

622
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.840
the greatest guy in the world after his Hidden Sins works,

623
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.880
But MacArthur claimed that it proved he wasn't a true

624
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.519
believer either. MacArthur has set himself up as an arbitrator

625
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.159
of who is and who isn't saved based on moral conduct.

626
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.159
So when some pastors fall, what does MacArthur do.

627
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:16.320
Not saved?

628
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:21.000
Now, this man taught in his very seminary, So is

629
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.760
MacArthur gonna do the same thing. I don't know the

630
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.159
way they just deleted him from.

631
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:24.760
The face of the earth.

632
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.480
They're a high probability the MacArthur will kick him out

633
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:33.599
of heaven. MacArthur doesn't determine who's in heaven, and those

634
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.239
who follow lordship salvation think that they have the right

635
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:42.239
to make that determination. Probably there may they may just

636
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.480
go silent. Who knows how it's going to work. But

637
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.519
the point is lordship gives you you feel like you

638
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.519
have the ability to determine who is saved and not saved,

639
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.800
and lordship you I look, I've talked to too many

640
00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:59.760
people who hold the lordship, even people who've been in

641
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.760
this show church, and you'll get the call and they'll

642
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.119
mention a situation and almost inevitably, the question will be,

643
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:11.079
so do you think they're saved or not saved? You're

644
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:16.719
basing salvation off conduct. Salvation is not based off conduct.

645
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.159
Everyone want to write that down. Salvation is not based

646
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.480
off let me correct it. Salvation is not based off

647
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.239
our conduct. Salvation is based off the conduct of Christ,

648
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.599
and his conduct is perfect. So MacArthur, what do I

649
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.960
always say? Give me your test and then I will

650
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:41.280
hand your test to whom Christ Christ passed the test,

651
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:45.639
So back off, MacArthur. You're not God.

652
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:46.559
Now.

653
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:50.360
The only problem is wardship. People don't like hearing that.

654
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.760
They get very mad. Christianity is about a change. If

655
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.119
you don't change, you're not saved. Well, who gets to

656
00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:01.400
determine how much change determine salvation? They can't determine that, right,

657
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.519
they can measure that. Well, there's gotta be some according

658
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.119
to home, because that sounds like you are saying that

659
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:13.079
you're saved by what, not in imputed righteousness, but in

660
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:20.199
infused righteousness. The whole thing is broken, and it's sad

661
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:28.800
to see how it plays out. All right, So here's

662
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.880
the question, what will MacArthur do now? Given that this

663
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.199
particular person was a figurehead at MacArthur's own conference year

664
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:41.119
after year after year, this man was a figurehead at

665
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.559
the shepherd's conference. Will he condemn this man as he

666
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:48.039
did with the other pastors, or will he be the

667
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.360
one to decide, based on lordship standards that the sins

668
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.119
of those two were habitual?

669
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Will this man's sin was a minor mistake?

670
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Will he pivot the standard he's used to determine someone

671
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:04.079
else's salvation based on a personal preference The sad truth

672
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.880
is is that lordship theology consistently sets up leaders to

673
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.360
make judgments about who is truly saved based on outward conduct.

674
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:20.679
Lordship salvation determines who saved based on what external conduct.

675
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:30.119
What is my hypothesis salvation is determined by whose conduct Christ,

676
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:37.280
not yours. I know that a radical thought, but what's

677
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.679
said is should that be considered a radical thought in

678
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:42.440
twenty twenty four? It's not if we believe in what

679
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:46.480
happened in fifteen seventeen, but what happened in fifteen seventeen

680
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.599
Luther lost. I just want to call Luther up and go, dude,

681
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:52.719
you were an idiot. You should have just stayed in

682
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.599
the Catholic Church because it's Protestantism is a complete and

683
00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:02.559
utter failure. Catholicism makes fifty thousand times more since than Protestantism.

684
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:07.960
At least, it's consistent. It teaches what salvation based off

685
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.480
i'd infused righteousness. It makes sense. They admit mortal versus

686
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:17.079
venial sin. It makes sense. Our system makes no sense.

687
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.159
We say we believed imputed righteousness, and then we turn

688
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:25.039
around and reject imputed righteousness outright by saying what determines

689
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:26.239
someone's salvation.

690
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:29.039
Our conduct.

691
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That's insane, that's I mean. If I was to tell

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00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.639
people I'm just gonna go to a Catholic church, everybody was.

693
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:41.840
Say, you're lost, your loss, your love.

694
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.400
Why it's at least honest. You want me to go

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00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:48.800
to a Protestant church that's more messed up than Catholicism.

696
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.320
I'll just go back to a Catholic church at least

697
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:56.880
be honest with myself. The other systems are lying, they're broken.

698
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.679
It's not Christianity. It drives me crazy the way this

699
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.800
has gone down. As Luther and Calvin both recognize it's

700
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.280
not for us to judge who belongs to the kingdom,

701
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.400
what a shocking idea. Luther once said, the Church is hidden,

702
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.480
the Kingdom of God is not visible to us. We

703
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.800
cannot see who belongs to it. What did Luther say

704
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.559
we cannot see who belongs to it? Why would Luther

705
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.559
say we cannot see who belongs to it? Because Luther

706
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:32.800
is the famous one of basically describing imputed righteousness as

707
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.920
and I can't get too blunt. You know, Luther was

708
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.679
very his language was not always very good, right, But

709
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.199
Luther basically the idea is we're like, we're like dung

710
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:49.840
and we're just covered legally by imputed righteousness, but we're

711
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still dung. Now, he got very, very blunt in his description.

712
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.960
He didn't necessarily use the word dung. But okay, you

713
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.920
get the idea, right, all right? Who was being very

714
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.039
much but we get the idea right. But Lordship says,

715
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.559
we're no longer dumb. I don't need to look for

716
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.199
the imputed righteousness. What do I need to look? I

717
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.280
look to Sarah's behavior, and then I can determine if

718
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.840
Sarah's saved or not saved. Well, you know what, that

719
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:25.880
almost always then benefits That system benefits whom old people?

720
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.719
Who does it not benefit the young because whose sins

721
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.840
are probably going to be much more visible the young. Well,

722
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.920
the old is going to bed at eight o'clock at night.

723
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.639
So yeah, if you're old, be Lordship, you'll think you're

724
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.440
the greatest person in the world because all you're gonna

725
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:57.960
look is at external behavior. Right. Calvin echoed this when

726
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.880
he wrote, we cannot judge from outward to pearances who

727
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:03.840
are elect or who are not. Such judgment belongs to

728
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:08.639
God alone. The pastor who fell once said in the end.

729
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.599
All that matters is did we live for the glory

730
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.320
of God? Now that sounds good, right. All that matters

731
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.840
is did we live for the glory of God? How

732
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.159
many would say amen to that? I would probably have

733
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.440
said amen to that. This calls us into question. But

734
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.239
here's the truth. It's not about how perfectly we live

735
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.760
for God's glory. If that were the measure, none of

736
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.800
us would stand. What truly matters is whether we believed

737
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:40.239
in grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone, the

738
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very essence of the Five Soulos of the Reformation. It's

739
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not our holiness that secures our place in heaven. It's

740
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Christ's holiness. It's not how well we live for God's

741
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.719
glory that saves us. It's whether we believe in that Christ,

742
00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.360
that what Christ has done on our behalf.

743
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.920
Amen. That's and and of course this was posted.

744
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:07.760
I mean, fighting for the faith is Lutheran, so that

745
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:11.239
has very much a Lutheran fell for it, right, And

746
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:12.079
it's just.

747
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.280
It's just sad, all right. I don't think we're gonna

748
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.519
be able to finish this. In this pastor's case.

749
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.320
I fear the response from his own philological camp won't

750
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.920
offer him the comfort he desperately needs. Instead of hearing

751
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.599
about the sufficiency of Christ grace, he may be told

752
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.159
to get back up, fix the sin, prove the repentance.

753
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.800
But when the failure hits this hard, it's not something

754
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.559
you can fix by pulling yourself up by the bootstraps.

755
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:45.199
That's where he needs grace, not judgment. Now I know

756
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:48.559
some people will lose their mind. He needs grace not judgment.

757
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.079
That does not mean you're excusing the sin, all right,

758
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:56.440
everybody understand that, right, Remember the way it long gospel works.

759
00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:00.719
Someone who already is filled with shame, guilt and knows

760
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:05.840
they're guilty, they don't need the law. They need the Gospel.

761
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.960
The law is for someone who's doing what I'm not sinny,

762
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.039
it's not wrong. I can do what I want. They

763
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.440
need to hear the law. Someone who knows that what

764
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.800
they're doing is wrong, acknowledges what they're doing or wrong,

765
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.639
says that it's a sin. They just need the Gospel.

766
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.320
Now I know that that's where you're gonna be doing.

767
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.800
You're an Antiomian. You're an Antinomian. Okay, I'm so sick

768
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.559
of hearing that word. Okay, okay, how about I think

769
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.800
I think antiinnomian should be banned from Christian vocabulary because

770
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.920
I don't think anybody knows what it even means. Okay,

771
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.800
the point is, no, you're not excusing behavior. You're not

772
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.639
saying someone doesn't have to behave. What you're saying is

773
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.880
that no matter how well you behave, it still wouldn't

774
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:51.400
be See, that's the problem we want to fix. Everything

775
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.679
is about behavior in Christianity. It's behavior, behavior, behavior behavior.

776
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.280
Christianity is not about my behavior. It's about christ behavior

777
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.599
for me because my behavior, no matter how good.

778
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:03.800
Here's the thing.

779
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:10.079
This man, before he fell, his behavior still wasn't good enough.

780
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:13.960
That's the thing that ticks me off. Everybody wants to

781
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.760
talk about his failure. Before he fell, he still wasn't

782
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.840
good enough. He would still be condemned. But somehow, until

783
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.719
he committed this one sin, he was good to go. No,

784
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:31.440
he wasn't, because you're not good to go ever other

785
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:32.320
than in Christ.

786
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.159
Does that make sense.

787
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:40.039
At one point, this famous pastor quoted another famous pastor,

788
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.920
and it says, the greatest need of my people is

789
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.800
my own holiness. That's what he said, is about being

790
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.800
a pastor, the greatest need my people have is my

791
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.480
own holiness. Well, I can tell any church if your

792
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:56.119
greatest need is for your pastor's holiness, you are in

793
00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:00.480
trouble because your pastor's holiness.

794
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:01.159
Is a facade.

795
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.920
It's show right. The pastors can demonstrate holiness externally, you

796
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:12.280
don't have a clue what's going on internally. So this

797
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.559
author goes on to say, but that's not true. The

798
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greatest need of any preacher or congregation isn't the holiness

799
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.079
of their pastor. It's the recognition that neither the pastor

800
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.000
nor the people will ever be holy enough on their own.

801
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.719
What they all need is the truth that only Christ

802
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.400
is holy enough, and we stand in His righteousness alone.

803
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.880
You don't need my holiness, You need christ holiness because

804
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.239
you're not gonna ever be holy. I'm not gonna ever

805
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.079
be holy, but Christ was holy.

806
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.960
For what for us?

807
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.920
Is that excusing sin? No, it's not to excuse sin.

808
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.760
You got to repeat that a million times because you're

809
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:56.599
excusing sin. No, I'm acknowledging the reality of sin. Whether

810
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:58.880
I excuse it or don't excuse it. What's going to

811
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:05.800
happen sin? Lordship's salvation shifts the focus to the believer's

812
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.360
performance rather than Christ finished work. When a moral fall happens,

813
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.760
whether it's this pastor or someone else, the theology doesn't

814
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.639
leave room for restoration without questioning whether the person was

815
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:18.880
ever truly saved. But the Gospel tells us something radically different.

816
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.480
It says that our salvation does not depend on our

817
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:26.719
moral performance, at rest on the performance of Home Christ.

818
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.280
So here we are.

819
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.880
The very theology that this man preached for years now

820
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:39.079
offers him no assurance. But the true Gospel does. Jesus

821
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:44.639
declared it is finished. That includes this pastor's failures. It

822
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:52.079
includes my failures because they're legion, and it includes your failures,

823
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:56.239
which is probably a legion as well. Right, none of

824
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.199
us can ever be holy enough, no matter how hard

825
00:50:59.239 --> 00:50:59.679
we try.

826
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.800
That's why the five soulas matter so much.

827
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.800
Grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone, that's what

828
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.199
saves us, and that's what keeps us secure even when

829
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:15.599
we fall. This version ties in MacArthur's past condemnation, raises

830
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.679
the question about how he might respond to this particular pastor,

831
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.519
and brings back the quotes from Lutheran Calvin about not

832
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.119
judging who is truly part of the kingdom. Let me

833
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:28.159
know if this fits or if there's anything you would

834
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:29.599
like to modify, that's.

835
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.000
What was posted.

836
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:35.880
But it does fit it all together, and I think

837
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.760
it's perfect. I don't think anything needs to be modified.

838
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.960
I would modify just a little here or there, but

839
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.599
for the most part, that's a perfect response to this.

840
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.719
Now it's not going to be Christianity's response. No, at large,

841
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:54.199
Christianity will not respond that way. Lordship Salvation doesn't know

842
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.760
how to handle it. But let me make it very clear,

843
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.960
it's not just Lordship's Salvation. I'll end with this. Christianity

844
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.320
at large does not know how to deal with the reality.

845
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.199
What is the reality?

846
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:20.199
We're all still sinners and it happens continually. It happens continually,

847
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:27.199
And I don't know why we can't admit that. Don't

848
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:29.719
we all long for the vision of a version of

849
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.760
Christianity that we've all been sold that hey, you become

850
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.159
a Christian in boom Now basically sin is not a

851
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:40.360
problem anymore. But I'm tired. I got tired of trying

852
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:43.519
to pretend that that was the case. And the only

853
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.760
way I could pretend it is by overcompensating on the

854
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.880
things that I did well Because I knew I did

855
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:50.000
them better than anybody else. So then I was like, well,

856
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:51.440
then I'm better than everybody else.

857
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.519
But I wasn't. Even though I did those.

858
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.840
Things maybe better than everyone else, I wasn't better than

859
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.639
everyone else because that was only focusing on one aspect

860
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:01.079
of the Christian life, where there is a whole lot more.

861
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.119
And guess what, just because I wasn't committing this siner,

862
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.320
this center, this center, this sin, there was still what

863
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:13.079
plenty of sin? And in many cases, if you break

864
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.239
sin down into categories, right, like there's certain types of sin,

865
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:21.079
there's different types. You may be committing the same type

866
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:26.039
of sin, just not the same specific sin. Right. You

867
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.480
may not be committing the sin of homosexuality, but you

868
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.440
may be committing the very same type of sin. Does

869
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.519
that make sense similar sin because I would be in

870
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.079
a sexual sin category. Correct, Well, you can commit sexual

871
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:43.400
sin without actually committing sex having sex. Right, And at

872
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.519
the whole point, like it's weird, like if someone commits

873
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.320
a certain sexual sin, we throw them under the bus.

874
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.119
But biblically, any man who looks at a woman, or

875
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.159
of a woman looks at a man, and there's luss,

876
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.719
we're all guilty. So on one hand who's not an adulterer.

877
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.880
Christianity doesn't want to, and then christian will try to

878
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.239
draw a distinction. What does the Bible draw? Now, the

879
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.679
whole point was Jesus wasn't our drawing a distinction?

880
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:06.800
Was he?

881
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.480
He was just saying, guess what the physical or the

882
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:15.360
mental are? Both? What sin? He was condemning both. But

883
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.360
we have we can put them in different categories. Now,

884
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.320
I understand there's more. There's consequences of the of different things.

885
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.039
I understand that. But I'm saying from a thiological standpoint,

886
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:28.239
we seem incapable of handling it. You know why we're

887
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:32.119
incapable of handling it? And I'll and this will be

888
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.079
the last statement, Well, we're incapable handling handling it because

889
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:44.239
God's holiness is beyond our ability to handle. God's holiness

890
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:52.760
is beyond our ability to cope with it. And that's

891
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:56.760
the entire message of the gospel. Right, God's holiness is

892
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:58.719
beyond our capability. A right, let's pray look at we

893
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:02.719
come before you this morning. We pray for everyone involved

894
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:08.039
in the situation, everyone involved, and we pray that what

895
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:10.679
we do in this situation is look to ourselves, not

896
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.679
look to them. It's not about finding out about them.

897
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.079
It's about more being honest with who we are. Because

898
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.159
everyone in this room and everyone who will hear this,

899
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.480
there's one truth about all of us. We were sinners,

900
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We are sinners, and we will continue to sin until glorification.

901
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.679
And we are thankful for the only hope, which is

902
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:34.360
Jesus Christ. And it's in his name we pray. And

903
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God's people said