March 20, 2025

Salem: Martha and Corey Giles

Salem: Martha and Corey Giles

We go back to Salem and look at the tragic story of Martha and Corey Giles

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We go back to Salem and look at the tragic story of Martha and Corey Giles

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good morning everyone.

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It is Thursday, March the twentieth, twenty twenty five. It

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is currently eleven forty four am Central Time, and I

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am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio

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located right here in Abilene, Texas. Well, how would you

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like to return to Salem this morning? I hope Well,

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if you're tuning in, maybe you know what we're getting

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ready to talk about. Maybe you have no idea, so

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maybe you're not really ready to go back to Salem.

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Maybe you don't even care to go back to Salem.

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But we are going to return to Salem and talk

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once again about the Salem Witch Trials. We've been talking

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about them a lot again. I believe the Salem Witch

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Trials has so many lessons for the Church and for Christianity.

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I think we need to learn learn all of those lessons.

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I know it's a cliche, but those who do not

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learn from history are what doomed to repeat it. And

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so we don't want to repeat what happened in Salem.

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And yet many times I look at modern day Christianity

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and I get very concerned that many of the very

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same things that kind of led to what happened in

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Salem and the Salem Witch Trials, that those same concepts,

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that same way of thinking, well, not only is at

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present today within Christianity, it has been present. They may

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Christianity may not have the exact same power because of

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kind of the merging of the church and state at

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the time of the Salem Witch Trials. Now, if Christianity

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ever merges back with the state and Christian nationalism gets

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its way, well, the same thing that happened in Salem

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will happen here in the United States of America. People

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will start dying. Because anytime church and state merges, people

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start dying. So I'm going to continue to have us

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return back to Salem to learn the lessons. And I

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always encourage Jenny one, if you ever get an opportunity

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to go to Salem, Massachusetts, you should go and you

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should learn everything that occurred there. So are you ready,

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Let's try to do this all right? We have been

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looking specifically at the girls who were afflicted and who

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made the accusations. We took some time to hear the

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story and to tell the story of Betty Paris and

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Abigail Williams. Those were the girls who participated in the

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egg ritual and we think something scared them to death

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that may have led them, possibly to says claiming they

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were afflicted by witches and make the first accusations. Remember

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Betty Paris was the pastors or the reverend's daughter, and

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Abigail Williams was his niece. They were young, they claimed

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to be afflicted. They showed all the crazy symptoms that

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we've talked about, and then they made the accusations. Then

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we had Anne Putnam Junior. Do not forget her because

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she's going to be very important to this story. And

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Putnam Junior she accused, I went over sixty people, I

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believe sixty two, sixty three. But yet she's the woman

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who ultimately apologized, So her story is very interesting. We

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have Elizabeth Hubbard, she's the theatrical accuser. She turned it

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into a spectacle. She was dramatic, all right. Then we

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talked about Mary Warren. She's the accuser who became the accused,

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and she was the accuser who then recanted of her

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accusations that she's accused, and then she brings back her accusations.

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Her story. I mean, all of these stories are just

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crazy to hear. Well, today we are going to go

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back to March the twelfth, sixteen ninety two, and we're

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going to go back to Ann Putnam Junior. I was

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kind of trying to follow kind of a chronological order.

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We were kind of going through the girls who were

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afflicted and who made the accusation. But we're going to

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kind of do kind of a U turn, kind of

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go back. We're going to go back to Ann Putnam

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Junior and well, a very specific situation involving her affliction

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and accusations and how it impacts to important well two people.

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All everyone involved in this was important because of what

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happened to them. But this story is pretty tragic, and

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so once again, I'm going to do this as a narrative.

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I'm going to do it as a narrative, and hopefully,

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I think a lot of people have liked me doing

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this as a narrative. It's still very hard for me

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to just present it in a true narrative form because

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I like to kind of go into the narrative, then

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come back out, offer commentary, explanation, ask questions, and then

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go back into the narrative. Hopefully this has been well.

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Hopefully you are okay with this approach. So are you ready?

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Here we go. Let's go back to Salem, March the twelfth, sixteen. Now,

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the Salem witch trials began with accusations against outsiders. That's

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very key to today's story, all right. The Salem witch

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trials began with accusations against outsiders. Please do not forget that,

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all right. The Salem witch trial began with accusations against outsiders, beggars,

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enslaved women, and outcasts. That's who the original accusations were against. Again,

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they were against the outsiders, against beggars, against enslaved women,

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against the outcast. But everything changed when the hysteria reached

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into the heart of the Puritan community. Because when Martha Corey,

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our respected church member, was accused, it sent one clear

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message to the people of Salem. No one was safe,

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no one. See before, if you were an outsider, if

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you were a beggar, if you were you know, if

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that was kind of if you were an enslaved woman,

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if you were kind of in a sense an outsider

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and powerless, then you were not safe. But everyone else

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probably felt that they were somewhat safe. But everything changes.

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Everything changes when Martha Corey is accused because she is

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a respected church member, and when she is accused, it

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sends a very important message to every single person in Salem.

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You aren't safe. You can be accused just like that.

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You don't even need to be present. Because of the

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spectral evidence, which we've talked about over and over and over,

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anyone can accuse you. Who was her accuser none other

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than Putnam Junior, the most prolific accuser in Salem. But

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why did she target Martha Corey And was there something deeper,

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something more personal behind the accusation. Today, hopefully I'm going

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to unravel the story of Anne Putnam Junior, Martha Corey

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and her husband, Giles Corey. So I'm going to tell

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you the story of Anne Putnam Junior and how she

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relates to this entire situation. Martha Corey and her husband

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Giles Corey where because this is I think this is

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very important. They're horrific fate. What happens to Martha and

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Giles remains one of the most infamous tragedies of the

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Salem Witch Trials. And if you go to Salem, if

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you go to the Salem, the Salem Witch museum. I

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think that's the first one I ever went to. You

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hear the story of Corey Giles, hear his story. In fact,

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I think if you go, I mean, I've been almost

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to any I haven't been to every single place you

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can visit yet in Salem, I'm still trying to get

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through everything. But when I go back again, I'm gonna

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do my best to try to. I mean, I could

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go to Salem for the rest of my life and

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never get tired of going to these places. Learning about

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the Salem Witch draws. But I think almost every place

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you go, you hear about Corey Giles. I think you

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hear about him, maybe more than you do Martha. I

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think Corey gets more of the attention. And you're going

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to see why he's always mentioned, all right, and yeah,

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it's pretty horrific why he's mentioned. Okay, So we're gonna

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try to unravel the story of Ann Putnam Junior. She's

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the afflicted, she's the accuser, she accuses Martha Corey, and

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while her husband, Giles Corey, ends up in the middle

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of all of this. Before she was branded a witch,

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Martha Corey was an upstanding member of the Salem community.

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She was a full member of the church, well respected,

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and she was seen as a good Christian woman. But

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Martha had a past in one that some in Salem

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never forgot years before. Now this is very important. She's

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a good Christian woman, she's a church member, she's respected,

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but there's something in her past, something in her past

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that well, maybe just possibly no one forgot. You see,

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years before all of this craziness begins in Salem, Martha

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had given birth to an illegitimate mixed raced son, a

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fact that made some Puritans question for her moral character.

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I want you to hear that again. Years before all

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of the hysteria begins in Salem, sixteenth January sixth ninety two,

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before all of this craziness happens, Martha had given birth

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to an illegitimate mixed race son, a fact that some

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that made some within the Puritan world question her moral character. Still,

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she had repented, married Giles Corey, and lived a quiet

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religious life, but in sixteen ninety two, her outspoken nature

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would make her a target. Unlike many in Salem, Martha

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Corey did not believe in this witchcraft hysteria. She openly

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mocked the trials and question the legitimacy of the afflicted girls.

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And we're going to start seeing a pattern here, right,

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And this is the reason I wanted to tell this

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story at this point because of the last episode that

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we did. Look, if you questioned the trials, if you

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question the legitimacy of these girls, you almost immediately got

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accused of being a witch yourself. It didn't matter who

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you were, It didn't matter what your standing was, didn't

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matter if you were a good church member. They were

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coming after you. You could not. You had to either

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go along with the hysteria or you were going to

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become the victim of it. And that's oh. I mean

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that the history has shown this so many times. So

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unlike many in Salem, Martha Corey did not believe in

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the witchcraft hysteria. She openly mocked the trials and questioned

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the legitimacy of the afflicted girls. And this was dangerous

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in Salem, because in Salem, to doubt was to be suspicious.

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To question the afflicted was to side with the devil.

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You can't question, you can't challenge. You go along with

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the narrative, or you're you're with the devil. You're in

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league with the devil and Christianity has played this game

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for a very, very long time. It really has this

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Really when you go back to Salem and you see this,

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I think it helps you really understand a lot of

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the thinking that's happened throughout Church history, even in the

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modern times. If the Church says this is wrong or

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this is wrong, you go along with everyone, because the

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minute you question, the minute you challenge, oh, now you

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are satanic, you are a heretic. You've always got to

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go along with everyone, or they're gonna turn on you.

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They're gonna turn on you quickly. Martha went so far

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as to tell people that the girls were lying and

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that the court was a joke. Now that that's gonna

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get her in trouble, but I want you to know

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that that. See, there were those who kept saying, these

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girls are lying, these girls are lying. How come no

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one can see this. You're all being played. But no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no no no no, no, no, no no no. You

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had to go along with it because Satan was everywhere.

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Satan was everywhere, Witches were everywhere. She even laughed at

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the idea that the people in Salem were being tormented

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by witches. And someone was listening to all of this.

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Some say that someone was Anne Putnam Junior. Now my

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speculation is, or at least I'm gonna ask the question,

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was it Anne Putnam Junior that was listening? Or was

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it her father that was listening? You know, well, I

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still believe Anne Putnam was more manipulated more than anything else.

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But we've already told that story. We won't go into

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that again. On March the twelfth, sixteen ninety two, March

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the twelfth, sixteen ninety two, I told you we're going

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to go back to that particular date, March the twelfth,

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sixteen ninety two. Remember that date. On March the twelfth,

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sixteen ninety two, Anne Putnam Junior claimed that Martha Corey

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Specter attacked her. She screamed, convulsed, and described how Martha

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tormented her from across the room. Was this because Martha

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doubted the trials? Martha had publicly ridiculed the afflicted girls.

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Did Anne see her as a threat to the trials?

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Was it personal? Anne knew Martha Corey and may have

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held resentment towards her. Some historians believe Anne was coached

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by her father, Thomas Putnam, who played a major role

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in the trials. Was it a test to see how

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far the court would go? Before this, most of the

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accused were outsiders, poor, marginalized, or already suspected of sin.

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Accusing Martha Corey, a church member, proved that anyone could

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be a witch. Now that means there's a lot of

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speculation in history. Why what happened here? Now? I think

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I still think it's Anne's father. I still think he

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I mean, come on, I really do believe. Now, maybe

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Anne had some issue with Martha. Maybe maybe people and

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this one is not brought up a lot in history.

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And again, most of this, the speculation that I'm offering

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is not really offered if you go visit the places

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in Salem. But man her past, her past, I know

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she doesn't fit the typical description of the outsiders that

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were accused, But I mean, come on, her past I

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think was pretty scandalous. So I don't did they I

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don't know. There's a lot going on here that I

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cannot be dogmatic about. And here's the most terrifying part

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about all. We have all of the questions, but the

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most terrifying part is ultimately this works. When Martha Corey

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was brought in for examination. She made one fatal mistake.

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She laughed. They bring her in for a examination, she

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just starts laughing. She starts laughing, and why is she laughing?

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Because she couldn't believe what was happening. She couldn't fathom

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that the town actually thought she was a witch. She

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was like, this has to be a joke. This is ridiculous.

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Like she did, I don't think she quite grasped the

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seriousness of her situation. I think she was like, oh,

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come on, guys, this is ridiculous. But the moment she

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denied the charges, the afflicted girls begin to writhe in pain,

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and Putnam Junior screamed that Martha Spirit was attacking her.

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Others clutched their throats, gasping for air. Immediately when they

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brought her into examiner, she starts laughing. The laughing. The

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girls are like, okay, here's your you know. Basically, it's

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almost as if someone was like, all right, are you ready?

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Set action? Right? I mean, I mean it was like

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they knew exactly what to do. She starts laughing at everything,

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going this is a ridiculous. This is ridiculous. And the

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girls like this, Oh no, we're being attacked. Her spirit

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is after us, Her spirit is after us. And they

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start yelling, screaming, gasping for air, and everybody's like, it's happening.

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She's a witch. Now the judges see this as proof

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that Martha was guilty. They're like, that's proof right there,

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that's proof. It's happening. She insisted she was innocent. She

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begged them to use reason, re think this through, be reasonable,

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but the court they'd already made up for their mind.

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You're guilty. You're a witch. That's all it took. Get accused.

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You laugh at it. The girls fall start falling around, yelling, screaming,

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gasping for airon I said that does it? Stop it?

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Stop it, stop it. She's a witch. Martha Corey was

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then arrested, but her husband, Giles Corey, now he makes

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a crucial mistake. He speaks out against the trials. He's like,

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come on, this is ridiculous. Giles doubted the accusers and

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this and his public opposition makes him a target. Within

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days to see how this works, He's like, come on, guy,

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this is ridiculous. Stop this. Within days, can you guess

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what's going to happen? The afflicted girls claim that his

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spirit is tormenting them too. Hey, he starts coming out again.

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Oh oh well, you're you're gonna say that we're faking it,

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you're a witch. It's ridiculous, Like it's so insane. But

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once you create fear, once you create paranoia, then you

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just attack anyone and everyone. You either are with us

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or you are attacked. Now what's crazy is that Giles

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Corey was a man who believed in the Puritan system

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of justice. He would have been all for the Puritan

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way of thinking, but now he finds him self trapped

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by it. Now, this is the same thing that happens.

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There's no way for me not to at least acknowledge this.

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Look what happens if you are a Trump supporter MAGA

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and then all of a sudden you start questioning, you

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question what happens on January the sixth, and you're like,

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you know what, I think this was wrong. I think

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this was this was this was an you can't do this,

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this is wrong. If you if you are a MAGA

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or a Trump supporter, and you're like, no, Trump, you

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actually lost the last election in twenty twenty. It wasn't rigged,

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it wasn't stolen. No, you lost immediately. If you say

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that what happened on January sixth was wrong and you

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put any blame on Trump, all those claims of the

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election being stolen, you call Trump a liar, MAGA and

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Trump's supporters will turn on you, and five point two

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seconds you stay in line. Everything Trump does is right,

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Everything Maga does is right. You cannot question it, you

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cannot challenge it. You cannot use logic, you cannot use reason,

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you cannot use facts. You either go with them or

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they will run you over. It's the same concept. This

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is the way to think, and you must agree with us.

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There's no questioning, there's no challenging, and the same thing

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happens in the Church. Logic, reason, facts, No, everything is

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based off paranoia, fear, in many cases conspiratorial thinking. So

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he would have been all for the Puritan system. Now

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he's one, he's getting ready to be well. For now,

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we'll just say he's trapped by it. Some of you

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may know what happens to Corey, but it's it's crazy,

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all right. When Giles Corey was put on trial, he

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refused to Interruptlee. He's like, no, not going to do it.

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He knew that if he platt it guilty. If he

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pleaded guilty, he would die anyway. And if he pleaded

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not guilty, he would face a corrupt court. So no

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matter what he did, he knew. He was like, it

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doesn't matter what I say, I'm gonna be in trouble

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no matter why. So he's like, basically, he's like, I'm

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not gonna play your games. I'm not gonna play the

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Puritan reindeer games. I'm not playing I You can do

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whatever you want. I'm not participating. Well, that's not gonna

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go well for him. It's not gonna go well for him,

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not at all. So he stayed silent. He's just like,

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I'm not I'm not gonna speak. And for that he

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was sentenced. He was sentenced to pressing. He was sentenced

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to pressing. Do you know what pressing is? It was

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a horrific form of execution where stones are piled on

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the body until either you speak up, you say I'm

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guilty or I'm not guilty. Right, so you just keep

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putting more more of these giant rocks on you, these

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stones on you, or you die. You're gonna We're gonna

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keep putting more weight on you. You're either gonna confess

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or you're going to die. Yeah, yeah, this is the

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wonderful Christian world of Puritanism, all right. For two days,

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not an hour, not two hours, two days, Cory endured

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the weight of the stones, and he would not confess.

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He would not speak his final words. Now, I cannot

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one hundred percent prove this, but it seems to be

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universally accepted. His final words were said, he wouldn't confess,

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He wouldn't say anything else. But his final words were

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more weight, more weight. Just come on, put on more weight,

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come on, put on some more rocks. On September the nineteenth,

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sixteen ninety two, Gles Corey was crushed to death, making

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him the only person in Salem to die by pressing.

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They used torture, They used torture. I have no words

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for this. The man was innocent. On September the twenty second,

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sixteen ninety two, just three days after her husband's brutal execution,

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Martha Corey was hanged on Gallows Hill. Martha Corey had

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committed no crime except doubting the trials, and in Salem,

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doubt was as dangerous as which craft itself. She had

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been a loyal church member. She had been a faithful wife.

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She was an innocent woman, but in the eyes of Salem,

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she was a witch, and for that she had to die.

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The deaths of Giles and Martha Corey became one of

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the most infamous tragedies of the Salem Witch Trials. Giles's

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brutal execution horrified many and helped turn public opinion against

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the trials. Now years later, seventeen oh six, and Putnam

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Junior publicly apologizes. She does make her apology. Now, we've

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looked at her apology, We've read her apology, We've debated

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all the different kind of interpretations of her apology, and

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she kind of struggles and how to exactly present her apology.

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I still feel her father is very much involved in

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all of this. Martha Corey doubted the trials, Giles Corey

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resisted the court, and for that they both paid with

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their lives. Their story is a warning, a reminder of

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what happens when fear overpowers reason and justice becomes a

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tool of oppression. When fear overcomes reason, when fear overcomes reason,

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when people get so worked up and again it plays

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this plays out throughout church history. Right, you just got

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to tell everyone this. You need to be scared of this.

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You need to be scared of this. This is this

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is coming after us, this is going to destroy us,

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whatever the case mean. You just give people the fear,

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and then you dehumanize the people. You gotta you gotta

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have a you got you gotta create the fear. And

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then you've got to have an enemy. They are the enemy,

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and you dehumanize them. And then you can say, you

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can bear false witness. You can lie, and Christians have

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been doing this forever. They're they're coming to get you.

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And then and then and sermons, you can say whatever

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you want about them. You can act in a completely

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ungodly way. Lie, misrepresented, misrepresentations, false witness. Nobody cares in

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the church. I don't care, because as long as you

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go after the enemy, they agreed upon enemy. And if

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anyone goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Wait a minute,

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wait a minute, that's not true. That's not accurate. That's

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not true. That's not accurate. That's not true. Well what

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about this, No, no, no, they're coming after you. Because

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you cannot do that. So you got to create fear,

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give everyone the enemy. You gotta get You got to

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provide them an enemy, and then you basically dehumanize them,

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and then you can say whatever I want you want

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about them. You hear it in Christian radio sometimes when

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they talk about you, even hear it from the pulpit.

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If they talk talk about Democrats, they call them names,

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mock them, because the Democrats are the enemy. They're out

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to destroy us. And so then you and then they

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will say things sometimes completely not true, not accurate, fraudulent,

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false information because paranoia, fear, conspiracy. The churches. The church

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is filled with that nonsense. And sometimes it doesn't even

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make sense, yell and scream and so upset about certain

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aspects of the LGBTQ community just lose their minds. And

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it's like, but I mean, go to the Roy's report today,

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report after report of this sexual crime inside the church,

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This child molested, this happened, this over and over and

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over and over and over and over and over. Look

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at all the statistics about sexual molestation and sexual crimes

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inside the church. Go but no, no, no, no, are we

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got to be fearful of this. We've got to be

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scared of them. We need to me want to look

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inside our own house, and that's you. And I bring

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that example up constantly because I constantly see the stories.

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It's like in the side of the church, this and

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then you know, you hear about you know, whether it's

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in the Southern Baptist, Independent Baptists, well, you know what,

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it doesn't matter which denomination. There's always these you hear

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all of these stories. We've got our own sin. But no,

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we we just got to feel put the You never

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worry about what's going on within Christianity, or you're always

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supposed to look at what's going on outside of Christianity.

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That's what you're supposed to fear, because it's coming to

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get us. And then you've got to get lists the enemies.

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And then you can just say whatever you want. And

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Putnam she does apologize, but her apology does not bring

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back what happened to Martha and Giles Corey does not

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bring them back. Martha and Giles Corey, Martha Giles is

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pressed to death, and Martha dies by being you know,

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dies by hanging on Gallows Hill. What a messed up,

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a messed up thing. And in there are a number

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of places of memorials for those who were killed. There's

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one it's in Salem itself. It's not outside of town.

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It's in town, not not in what was Salem Village,

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which is Danverse, but in actual Salem. And it's right

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there next to the graveyard. And you kind of walk

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up and there's these these stones of all the people,

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all the people who were killed, and it has the

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name and the date that they were killed. And I

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remember just walking up to each one, just looking down

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at their names and just saying, man, I'm so sorry.

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Like and I remember seeing Martha, Giles Corey's names and

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I just reached down touch It's like, it's beautiful the

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way they have it right, And I just reached down

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and touched the stone and just like, man, I'm so sorry.

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What happened to you? In the name of Christ, in

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the name of Christianity, in the name of God. You

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were false you were people bore false witness, You're falsely accused,

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you were murdered. What a messed up situation. There's the

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story of Martha and Giles Corey. We've got to learn

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the lessons, ladies and gentlemen. We need logic, we need reason,

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We need to remove paranoia and fear. We need to

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get rid of conspiratorial thinking. We need to get rid

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of groupthink. We need to be skeptical, we need to question,

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we need to challenge things, and for the love of

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all that is holy, we've got to stand opposed to

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Christian nationalism. Thanks for listening, God bless