Sept. 25, 2024

Romans 8:10-11 Pt 1

Romans 8:10-11 Pt 1

We begin surveying sermons on Romans 8:10-11

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We begin surveying sermons on Romans 8:10-11

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. Last time this happened?

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Patrol one, Patrol one, Come in headquarters. This is Patrol one.

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Come in headquarters, Patrol one. This is headquarters. Go ahead. Yes,

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I'm at the First Baptist Church and we've made a

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terrible discovery. We have found three hundred dead bodies. Headquarters.

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Do you read me? This is Patrol one. I'm at

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First Baptist Church. We have a horrible discovery. There are

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three hundred dead bodies inside this church. What should we do?

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Do you remember that kind of little dramatic play I did. Okay,

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it really wasn't that dramatic, and it probably wasn't very good,

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but you get the idea, three hundred bodies dead inside

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a church. Not literally, this is an illustration. This is

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a metaphor. All right, do you remember that? If you don't,

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well you missed that very dramatic episode. And we're going

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to return to the dead bodies. And we'll do so

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right after I tell everyone. It is Tuesday, September twenty fourth,

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twenty twenty four. It is currently five point fifty one

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pm Central Time, and I'm coming to you live from

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the Theology Central Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas.

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And according to what we learned, this podcast is being

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hosted well by a dead body. I remember I told

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you what to do the next time you go to church,

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just whisper to your kids or to your spouse and

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just say, see all of the dead bodies, because as Christians,

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we supposedly all have dead bodies. What am I referring to? Well,

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we started looking at a book that's called six six

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Grids of the Christian Life, Six Secrets of the Christian Life.

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And the reason we started looking at this book is

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because this book is attempting to try to kind of

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explain what you need to live the Christian life. And

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one of the reasons we turn to it is it's

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trying to offer somewhat of an explanation. I guess not

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so much an explanation, more of a solution, more of

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a cure to well, the problem of the Christian life.

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The problem of the Christian life is it's a life

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of sin. At least that's my hypothesis, that's my perspective.

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The Christian life is a life of sin. I know

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churches everywhere will tell you no, no, no, no, The

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Christian life is one of victory. You have been set

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free from sin. You can now say no toe sin

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and yes to God, and you can live victorious and

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you can be godly and you can be righteous. I mean, well,

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you can't be perfect and what you can't be completely holy,

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and I mean you're still going to sin, but but

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just ignore that you can actually be well. I don't know,

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some level of supposed obedience based on some subjective standard

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created by some pastor who gives you a supposed test.

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It's all subjective and very relativistic, if I'm being honest

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with you. But yet at the same time, Christians have

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a hard time dealing with the fact that no matter

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how much victory we talk about and how much supposed

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power we have, the one thing we know sin sin, sin,

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sin sin. Well, this book tried to offer us a solution,

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or remember the solution, with something like this, are you ready,

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I'm going to kind of break it down. Here was

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a solution. This was chapter one of six Secrets of

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the Christian Life. I told everyone to purchase the book.

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It's only three dollars for the kendle four dollars for

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a physical copy. Everyone should get a copy of it.

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But they put forth this argument, the Christian's body, my

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physical body, right slapping my arm, The physical body of

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a Christian is dead. Your body is dead. You said, no,

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my body is alive. It may appear to be live,

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but spiritually it is dead. Your body is dead, right,

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that's point number one that they put forth. Point number

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two is that the nature inside of you, your nature

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and heart, has been completely changed and transformed. So your

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body is dead, but inside your heart and nature has

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been radically changed and transformed. So I know. I always

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like to say the call is coming from inside the house. Well,

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according to their theory, the cops came in, they found

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the serial killer, they got them out of the house.

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So now the only call coming inside your house is

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one that is right. It is everything is good, a

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new nature. You've been changed, You've been transformed. But it's

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only inside you're you're you're transformed nature is trapped inside

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a dead body. Number three, So number one, the Christian's

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body is dead. Number two, the nature and the heart

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is changed. Number three, The body, this physical body that

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you're living in, cannot respond to the new nature. The

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new nature is like, come on, let's do the right thing.

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Come on, let's not sin, come on, let's be holy,

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come on, let's be righteous. But your body just can't

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respond to it. Your body doesn't recognize the the will

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of the new nature. The body is just like nope,

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not going to do it, not going to do the

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nature is like, let's do this, and the and the

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body is just like nope, nope, I it cannot. It cannot.

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It cannot even in any way, shape or form, respond.

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It's completely enable, it's unable to do. So, it has

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an inability. It's incapable of responding to the new nature.

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So number one, the Christian body is dead. Number two,

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the nature and heart is changed. Number three, the body

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cannot respond to the new nature. And number four, a

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resurrection of the body. Now, the resurrection of the body

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now in this life is required for the body to

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be able to respond to the new nature. So the

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problem in the Christian life is you've got a new nature,

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but you've got a body that can't respond. So what

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happens is you need to have a resurrection. A resurrection

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of the body must occur so that the body can

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respond to the new nature. We need a spiritual resurrection. Now,

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the problem is, we read all of chapter one of

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the book and we were kind of left with, well,

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how does the resurrection occur? And according to the book,

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it seemed to imply we can't make it happen. There's

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nothing we can do. God somehow just has to do it.

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That was at least the implication. When you turn to

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chapter two, you may get a little confused and you

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may feel like, wait a minute, is this contradicting. You

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can look at chapter two of the book. We'll get

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to it at some point. But here was the basis

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of their argument, the scriptural basis for their point of view.

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Let me go through it again. The Christian body is dead,

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all right? So that was why I did the entire skit.

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This is Patrol one. Come in, headquarters, Patrol one. This

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is headquarters. Go ahead. Yes, I'm at the first Baptist

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Church and we have made a terrible discovery. We have

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found three hundred dead bodies.

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Right.

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I did that to illustrate this, to illustrate it, to

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hopefully get to really drive this point home of this

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particular solution to why Christians continue to send So their

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argument is, are you ready here we go. Number one,

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the Christian body is dead. The body is dead. Your

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body is dead. Number two, the nature has been completely transformed.

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Number three, the body cannot respond to the new nature.

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It's incapable. It cannot do so it has and it's

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there's an inability. The body just can't do anything. So

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number four, a resurrection of the body must happen now.

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It must happen now. And once that body is resurrected,

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now experiences this spiritual resurrection, then the body can then

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respond to the nature. Now, to me, if you make

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this argument, whenever the resurrection of the body occurs, well

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then the body would be new, the nature would be new.

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So to me, you inevitably then say, well, then perfection

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should be the result.

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Right.

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So, I don't know how this is a supposed solution

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to why they're still continuing sin in the Christian life.

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It seems odd, but we will work through the book.

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But their entire argument, this entire system, is based off

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their reading of Romans chapter eight, verses ten through eleven.

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I'm gonna read it from the King, James, are you ready?

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And if Christ be in you? The body is dead

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because of sin, but the spirit is life because of righteousness.

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But if the spirit of Him that raised up Jesus

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from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up

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Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies

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by the spirit that dwell within you. So the body

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is dead, but it's the spirit that's going to quicken

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that's gonna make the body alive. And as said, they

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don't see this as pointing to what will happen in

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glorification or in our the resurrection of our dead bodies

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in the future. They see this as something happening that

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can happen right now, that the spirit in you makes

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the resurrection of your body. And I think this is

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an exact The exact verbiage they use makes it possible

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that you can have this resurrection. Now a minute. You

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have the resurrection. They didn't tell me what would be

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the end result, but logically the end result would then

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be perfection. But we'll have to see where they go

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later in the book. But Romans ten through eleven is

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the key. So I told everyone take their sermons two

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point zero app and start looking for random sermons on

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Romans chapter eight versus ten through eleven and see how

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they will approach it. So I looked up a random sermon,

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and here we go. We're going to review a sermon

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on Romans eight ten through eleven. I'm sorry that at

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the beginning my dramatic, my dramatic telling of our last episode,

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I think I said Patrol one, Patrol one. I should

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have said this is Patrol one. I think I messed

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it up a little bit. But that's okay. You can

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forgive my acting, all right. I wasn't rehearsing to act.

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I was just doing it in an m prop two way,

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trying to remind you have the last episode. I think

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the first episode I did it pretty good. I didn't

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do so good there, but you will forgive me.

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Okay.

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Remember you can't expect perfection. I have a dead body,

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all right. The fact that I'm even talking is pretty amazing. Okay,

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all right, now say I'm making an excuse. I have

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a dead body. What do you expect from me? My

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dead body cannot respond to my new nature, so until

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until my body is resurrected. Yeah, I think there's all

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kinds of problems with this view, but I will argue

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that this is just so that you know Romans eight

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ten through eleven. There has been so many different interpretations

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of this in church history. We could probably take two

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hours to go through all the interpretations of Romans eight

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ten through eleven in church history. We probably could, and

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maybe at some point we will. But are you ready?

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So what I want you to do is, as you

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were listening to the sermons on Romans eight ten through eleven,

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random sermons from the sermons two point zero app the

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main thing you're looking for is just how do they

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interpret the verses? Right, that's the main thing you're listening for.

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Right if you don't even listen to the whole sermon,

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I mean that's I still want you to listen to

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the whole sermon. But even if you don't, if you

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can just say their interpretation was this, just start making

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a list their interpretation was this, and start seeing that

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what they have in common and what they have that's different,

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how much agreement there is, how much disagreement. And we'll see.

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But that's the view put forth in the book Six

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Secrets of the Christian Life, and so far Secret number

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one is somewhat I think it's profoundly confusing, somewhat convoluted.

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But we will see how Secret number two relates to

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Secret number one. I see if it helps clarify secret

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number one. We will do that at some point. But

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in the meantime, I got my Bible open Romans eight

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ten through eleven. I got a pencil. The only problem

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is my book bag. I'm looking around. I have no

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idea where my book bag is. It's somewhere in this studio,

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and it has all my notebooks in it. So I

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may need a notebook here in a little bit to

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take some notes. But I will go find that while

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we're listening to this sermon Romans eight ten through eleven.

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Here we go. This was randomly found on the sermon's

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two point Oh app you know what that means. I

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have no idea what's getting ready to happen because I

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haven't listened to it first. So we're listening to it

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together in real time. Deep breath, Let's hope for the best.

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All right, Well, turn to Romans eight if you will.

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We're going to continue our discussion here in this broader

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theme of sanctification, but particularly in this chapter, we're really

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seeing the role of the spirit in that work. We're

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go ahead and read those at the start.

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So obviously sanctification when whenever we talk about Christian life

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and sin, we talk about sanctification right now, it is typically,

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it's very common within the majority of Christiandom to say

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that when you become a Christian, now you get the spirit,

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and the spirit is the thing that drives. It's the

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spirit that's the thing that does the transforming, the changing.

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done by your work. It's not done by your effort.

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It's done by the Spirit of God. Now again, any

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just logical reasonable person. And I try to stress logical reasonable,

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because whenever I raise these questions, everyone thinks I'm not

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being logical or reasonable and they just want to throw

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me out of Christianity and say, no, don't ask those questions.

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the normal person sits in the pew and doesn't just

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look around going Does anybody see that this is ridiculous?

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So this is the way it's typically taught when you

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became a Christian. Dun, dun, dun, duh, the Holy Spirit

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came in. Now you are in dwelt by the Spirit

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of God, third person of the Trinity, The omnipotent, holy, powerful,

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Holy Spirit is inside of you, and that spirit is

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doing a work inside of you to make you more godly,

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to make you more holy. Now the reasonable question would be, well,

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if the Holy Spirit is the one doing the sanctifying,

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then ladies and gentlemen, why am I not perfect? How

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come the Holy Spirit cannot get me to perfection? And

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then some people say, well, it's your fault. The Holy

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Spirit's the one doing the work. But see, you have

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to you have to agree to it, or you have

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to submit to it, or you have to allow it,

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which seems to then make me more powerful than the spirit,

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because if the Spirit is in me, why wouldn't the

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spirit take my want to and change my want to

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to wanting the Spirit to do it, and then submitting

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to the spirit. Why can't the Spirit, then, before it

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does anything else, work on my want to and work

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want the Spirit to do its work. I submit to

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the spirit. Then the Spirit just gets me to perfection.

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How can the Spirit of God be the one doing

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the sanctifying but for some weird reason, the spirit cannot

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get me to perfection. And if the spirit is doing

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the work, then why is it that if I commit

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this sin or this sin or this sin boom, it's

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my fault, It's not the fault of the one that's

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supposedly doing the work to keep me from sinning. If

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the spirit is in me, why can't the spirit inside

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of me keep me from sinning? Now, of course, and

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the view that we just talked about, they would argue, well,

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the spirit is inside of you, the new nature is

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inside of you, but the body is dead, so the

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body can't respond to the nature. But then it's well,

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the spirit is supposed to be the one that resurrect

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the body, so why wouldn't the spirit just immediately resurrect

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the body. Then the body can respond to the new

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nature and to the spirit, and then we get to perfection.

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Christianity does weird double speak on this, Like, on one hand,

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Christians will say, hey, you're a new creature. Old things

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have passed away, all things have become new. That happens

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at the moment of salvation. Well, then why do I

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need sanctification. I've already been made new. Christians will say,

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you get a new heart. We'll have a new heart,

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a new nature, and the old is gone, and behold,

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everything is new. There is no need for sanctification because

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I've already basically been made perfect. But then they'll say, no,

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you have a new heart, a new nature. You're a

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new creature, the oldest passed away. All things have become new.

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So Christianity's talk discussion on these things. You just look,

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I'm not trying to be mean, but when you start

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listening to some of this, use want to just start

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going blah blah blah blah blah blahlah. And after a

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while it just starts sounding like wah wah wah wah

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wah wah wah, wah wah wah. It's just words that

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sound spiritual, they sound philological, but there's just words with

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one that does the work of sanctification. If the spirit

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is the one that does the work of sanctification. It

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should be perfect right.

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set their minds on the things of the flesh. But

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those who are according to the Spirit the thing to

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the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death,

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for it does not subject itself to the law of God,

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to please God. However, you are not in the flesh,

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but in the spirit. If indeed, the Spirit of God

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dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the

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spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. But

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if Christ is in you, though the body is dead

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because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

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the dead dwells in you, he who raised Jesus Christ

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from the dead will also give life to your mortal

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bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. So, then, brothers,

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practices of the body, you will live. For as many

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as are being led by the Spirit of God, these

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are the sons of God. For you have not received

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a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you

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have received the spirit of adoption, as sons by whom

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we cry out Abbah, Father. The Spirit himself testifies with

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also be glorified with Him. So as we've been dissecting

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this chapter a little bit again, as we've said, probably

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no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. That's

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following on the heels of what he just said in

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still struggling. And yet Paul says, there's no condemnation. And

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and death, but at the same time he also enables

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us to fulfill the law. That word freedom is one

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the Spirit enables us to keep the law. Ladies and gentlemen,

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that means you have the You have no excuse. You

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have been enabled supernaturally to keep God's law. That means

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you can do it perfectly, like the minute you make

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that declaration. The Spirit enables you to keep the law,

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then there is no excuse. You can be perfect. Your

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pastor can be perfect, everyone in your church can be perfect,

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your kids can be perfect if they're Christian. Now the

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argument is, then, well, if you can't be perfect, well

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then you don't have the spirit. Therefore you're not saved.

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you've been enabled to keep the law. He literally just

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said that, oh man, we can keep the law. That

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this goes against. Oh man, Okay, all right, let's continue.

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Hey now, look, I look, I understand because I know

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many of you already starting to type Look, I know

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you're going to disagree. Ninety nine percent of Christianity disagrees

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with me on this. Ninety nine percent of christian ninety

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nine percent of Christians believe that they can and keep

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the law. They can say notice in yes to God,

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and they can obey the law. Again, don't argue with me,

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just go keep the law. Start with be holy as

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God is holy, and tell everyone that you're as holy

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as God. And the minute you tell everyone that, look,

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I don't even care to argue with theology anymore. I

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feel sad for you because you're absolutely delusional and you

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need mental health help because you think you're as holy

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as God is. But that's an actual command. If you

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can keep the law, you can do it.

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the fact that that's really what sanctification is it's freedom.

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It's a freedom that the Loss did not possess. A

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lot of people. The lost would look at what we

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have and think it's slavery. They would think, well, you're

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not free, you're a slave. Well, yes, we're slaves. We're

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all slaves. We're slaves to one thing or the other.

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master is, so he frees us from.

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than the lost people. We're better than the lost, We're

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better than the lost. Two thousand years of church history,

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the Church has proved over and over and over we're

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not better than the lost. In fact, even in the

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Church of Court it was like, hey, you guys are

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doing things the people in the world aren't even doing.

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We're better than everyone else. We have something they don't.

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We have freedom. We have freedom from sin. Okay, well

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then just stop sinning. If you're free from sin, then

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you can be perfect. If you can't be perfect, what's

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keeping you from perfection, whatever's keeping you from perfection. You're

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not free.

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From sin and death. There's no kind the nation that

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can come. But he enables us to fulfill the law.

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Prior to that, we did not have the ability.

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He said it a second time. He enables you to

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keep the law before save you can't. So you can

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keep God's law perfectly and lost people can't. This is

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why I have basically thrown up my hands in many

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aspects to the evangelical world because I don't know what

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to say. I don't fit into that Christianity. I cannot

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keep the law now may and don't act like that.

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I have abandoned historical biblical Christianity because this has been

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a part. The idea that we cannot keep the law

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was a critical part of the Reformation. We cannot keep them.

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It's still very critical to Lutheran theology. So it's not

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like I've abandoned Christianity.

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No, I feel like Christianity is a and in Christianity.

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is we cannot keep the law. We never can keep

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the law. We're in perpetual disobedience to the law. The

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law demands perfection. We can't do that. So what is

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my hope. My hope is that Christ kept it for me.

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my account. But this is saying no, no, no, no, no no. Hey,

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those lost people you know they can't keep the law,

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but I can, so you can. Just Hey, if you

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work somewhere, I just want you to go to work

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tomorrow and just tell all the lost people I feel

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sorry for all of you. You cannot keep the law

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of God, but I can, and I can do it perfectly.

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So you watch me because I'm better than all of you. Now,

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of course we say, well, Christian would never talk that way. Well,

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that's what you're claiming. I have the ability to keep

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God's law perfectly. And now everyone who ever emails me

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to act like that they can keep it perfectly. They

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never seem to want to give me full access to

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be able to get some information, right, come on, I

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want some full access to your life. Come on, come on,

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let me talk to your kids, let me talk to

466
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.720
your spouse, let me talk to your co workers. Come on,

467
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.359
come on, let me. I guarantee I'm gonna hear you

468
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.839
say things and act and the way you think and

469
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.000
the way, and in fact sometimes just the way they

470
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.720
email me. It's demonstrating you're right there demonstrating attitudes and

471
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.519
actions that are not godly. You're not even showing love

472
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.079
to your enemy. You're not showing I mean, over and

473
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.079
over and over, and it's like, but they can't see

474
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.759
it because they deny their own sin to support their theology.

475
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.200
Their theology says, I can keep the law. So I'm

476
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.599
keeping the law because if I don't keep the law,

477
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.519
then that means there's something wrong with me, which possibly

478
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.079
could lead to the fact that you, well, you're never saved.

479
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.559
Now that works, I guess if you can convey yourself

480
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.880
that you're not sinning literally twenty four hours a day,

481
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.039
seven days a week around you know, twenty four to

482
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seven unless but if you can convince yourself that you don't.

483
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.000
All right, we're not gonna even get to Romans eight

484
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.240
ten through eleven because I'm gonna lose my mind before

485
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.680
we move forward. But let's okay, deep breath, Come on, guys,

486
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.240
you need to calm down. I don't know why you

487
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.279
guys get so worked up and so emotional and so dramatic.

488
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.599
Just stay calm right, be like me, calm, cool, collective,

489
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:35.480
never get worked up, never lose my cool. Be like me,

490
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.119
because hey, I can keep God's law. I'm perfect, all right,

491
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:40.559
So just be like me.

492
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And then the section we're in now, verses five through seventeen,

493
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we just read, we've labeled that no obligation. We're freedom

494
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from defeat. We can't be defeated. Key verse theres verse twelve,

495
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which we won't get to today but probably next week,

496
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Lord willing. But chapter eight, verse twelve. So then, brothers,

497
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:08.000
we are under obligation, but not to the flesh to

498
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:13.759
live according to the flesh. Our obligation is elsewhere as believers. Again,

499
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:17.160
we know that if it was up to us, we

500
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.559
would fail. We do fail, all of us. At times

501
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:26.680
sit there and think like Paul, wretched man or woman.

502
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:35.599
That I am so we all fail. You now have

503
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.279
the ability to keep the law, but we all fail.

504
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.119
I really look, is it just me?

505
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:56.160
Is it?

506
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.720
Am I the only one who've spent my entire Christian life?

507
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:03.640
Just like? What? How do you understand this double speak? Hey,

508
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.279
you now have the ability to keep the law. You

509
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.599
have something lost? People don't, Hey, but we all fail.

510
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.400
But we all sometimes feel like Paul Oh, wretched man

511
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.079
that I am. Why are you feeling that way? You

512
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:21.359
can keep the law, Just go do it. So then

513
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.079
what's keeping me from doing it? What's keeping me from

514
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.039
doing it? What is the thing keeping me from doing it?

515
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:35.039
No, I'm sure all of you have been like me.

516
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.799
You sit there, you read those pats. You think, Paul,

517
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.440
you don't even know wretched. I can tell you wretched.

518
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And so we do fail. We will fail, but we

519
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.359
can't be defeated. Our position with God isn't based on

520
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:54.480
our actions. Perseverance, though, is necessary for salvation. Those who

521
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.240
don't persevere will not find themselves in heaven.

522
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:08.559
Oh wow, so positionally we're okay. But perseverance determines salvation.

523
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:15.079
Now please now, perseverance not the imputation of Christ righteousness.

524
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.960
Your perseverance determines your salvation. It's not the finished work

525
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:26.400
of Christ. It's perseverance that determines salvation. That literally sounds

526
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.599
like Roman Catholicism. Now, some people say, well, you hold

527
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.599
to a calvinistic approach, you hold to perseverance of the saints.

528
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.400
My idea of perseverance of the saints is very much

529
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.039
different than what they explain. I will persevere in faith,

530
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.720
I will persevere in believing there is no guarantee of

531
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.559
my perseverance and action. Considering the fact that I'm going

532
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.359
to sin twenty four hours a day, seven days a week,

533
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.160
I don't know how I would even have a way

534
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.680
of measuring whether I'm persevering an action or not. He

535
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.400
seems to be saying, Hey, if you don't persevere in action,

536
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:07.880
then you go to hell. So much for Christ's work,

537
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:13.200
imputed to my account, I would say, yes, if Christ

538
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:18.119
work for me, perseveres till the end. Whatever action you

539
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.720
say I must do, Christ did it, and it perseveres

540
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.240
till the end.

541
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But perseverance, as we said last time, it's not the

542
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.720
cause of our salvation, it's the mark of it. Those

543
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.640
who persevere are the true children of God. Those are

544
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.960
the ones who are in Christ.

545
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.400
And then there's the little double speak. Hey, perseverance doesn't

546
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.799
make you saved. Persevere only proves you're saved. But if

547
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.559
you don't persevere, you're not saved. Meaning I have to

548
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.960
persevere in order to be saved. You're just speaking in circles, right, Hey, No,

549
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.119
you don't have to persevere in order to be saved.

550
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:57.680
But if you are saved, you will persevere. But if

551
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:01.480
you don't persevere, you were never saved. So perseverance is

552
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.920
required for salvation. You're just trying to You're just playing

553
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:09.480
a little game of somatics, trying to try it's just semantics.

554
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.599
You're just playing a little game that way, And I

555
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.680
can't stand that. Well, it's not works that save you.

556
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.599
But if you don't have works, then you're not saved.

557
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:18.200
So I have to have works in order to be saved.

558
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.440
Well no, you've got to have Christ to be saved.

559
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.000
But if you are saved, then you'll do works. But

560
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:24.720
if I don't have the works and I'm not safe,

561
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.759
well yeah, so I've got to have works and I've

562
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.000
got to have perseverance in order to be saved. Well no,

563
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.440
and then you just talk in circles and nobody can

564
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:36.519
see how maddening that is. Like it just makes me like, so,

565
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.400
did what did Jesus actually do for me? Am I

566
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.960
saved because of Jesus? Or am I saved because of I?

567
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.640
Do this? This, this, this, this, this, this this, And

568
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.839
according to you, since I've been giving the ability to

569
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.640
keep God's law, then the measure of salvation should be

570
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.039
perfect obedience. To the law because you said I can

571
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.720
keep it. But you've already said that I'm not going

572
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.359
to be perfect because I'm going to keep sinning. So

573
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:11.400
then how do I measure perseverance? Is perseverance now very subjective. Hey,

574
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.239
you can keep the law, but we're not going to

575
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.559
hold you to the standard of perfect obedience to the

576
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.880
law because we know nobody's going to pull that off.

577
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.800
But you have to reach a certain standard in order

578
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.400
to prove that you're safe. What is that standard? Is

579
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.000
it fifty percent obedience? Sixty percent, thirty percent? And that's

580
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.800
not being sarcastic or just being a smarter like, that's

581
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.559
really just I think any reasonable person should ask these

582
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:41.920
questions because you're dealing with actual salvation at this point and.

583
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:45.920
In the spirit, so we can't be condemned and thankfully

584
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.840
we can't be defeated. So we started breaking this down

585
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.079
last time. Really a sub section we're looking at right

586
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.840
now is verses five through thirteen. The role of the

587
00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:00.920
spirit here is that he changes our natures and empowers

588
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.480
us for victory.

589
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.199
So we started last time time.

590
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.199
Now did you hear that? So he changes our nature

591
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:16.280
and empowers us to victory. So we have supernatural power

592
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.960
to live a victorious Christian life. Now according to this again,

593
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.360
this is where I get so confused. If I'm being

594
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.519
empowered by a supernatural power, why can't supernatural power get

595
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.440
me to perfection when he's already acknowledged how wretched we

596
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.280
can be. So if I have supernatural power to get

597
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.559
me to victory, why then, are you saying that I

598
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.320
can be wretched? How am I being wretched? If I

599
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.280
have supernatural power working from the inside. Why can't the

600
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.159
supernatural power working from the inside with a completely transformed nature?

601
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.840
Why is it living like a wretched person?

602
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.280
But how he changed our natures?

603
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.880
But that change is why we can't be defeated, that

604
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.360
sanctification process that he is working on. So let's pick

605
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:05.719
up where we left off.

606
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.559
I can't be defeated now okay, no, wait, I can't

607
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.400
be defeated. What does that mean? If I can't be defeated,

608
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:19.039
what sin can I then not keep? Or what sin

609
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.599
can I not do? I mean, if I can't be defeated,

610
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.159
are you saying sin just cannot defeat me? It can

611
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.519
defeat me in the short term, but it cannot defeat

612
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.800
me in the long term. But wait, a minute, I'm

613
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.599
sinning my entire Christian life. So in one sense, I'm

614
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.920
living continually in defeat because I never keep God's law.

615
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.079
But you said I can keep God's law. But at

616
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.039
the same time you said I can be a wretched.

617
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.440
So I don't understand. If I'm being wretched? Is I

618
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:46.519
not defeat? He says, we're going to continue to sin

619
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.360
and we're not going to be perfect. Well, well, then

620
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.880
is that not defeat. If God's standard is perfection and

621
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.039
I can't get to perfection, then by definition, that is

622
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:59.960
perpetual defeat. The standard is be holy as God is holy.

623
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.760
I never do that. Then I've lived my life in

624
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:08.400
perpetual defeat. Unless now defeat is red. I don't understand this.

625
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:20.440
See this, I'm just rocking back and forth. I'm just

626
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.480
rocking back and forth, and I just I just I

627
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.519
need a straight jacket, and I just like blah, what

628
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.159
happened to you, sir, Christianity? Why are you here at

629
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.760
the mental institution Christianity? Why did you have a nervous breakdown? Christianity?

630
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.639
How come you've lost all hope and everything? Christianity? What

631
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.239
did Christianity do for you? Drive me to the point

632
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:46.679
of insanity, because I've got power, I got a new nature.

633
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.880
I can keep the law. Oh but I'm still wretched.

634
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.000
I can still sin. But if I'm too wretched, I'm

635
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.199
too sin, well then I prove that I was never saved.

636
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.320
And again Christietti says that if anyone's in Christ is

637
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:03.800
a new creature, old things that have passed away, all

638
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.840
things have become new, Well, then why am I sinning?

639
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.719
Wouldn't sin be a part of the old. If all

640
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.199
things have become new and the old is gone, why

641
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:17.920
am I sinning? Isn't sin a part of the old?

642
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:26.840
All Right?

643
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.760
All right, I'm just gonna try to just gonna be patient.

644
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.239
Hopefully we'll get to ten through eleven, we'll find out

645
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:37.119
about our dead bodies. Maybe it's gonna offer that as

646
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.199
a solution. I don't know what we'll.

647
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.519
See Verses five through nine. If you recall last time

648
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.679
Paul went through an equation of sorts, he gave a

649
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.760
very clear and distinct and a very logical comparison of

650
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.559
the natural man versus the spiritual man. And as we discuss,

651
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.719
there's only two a there's not two types of Christians.

652
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.320
You're either a Christian or you're not a Christian. Now

653
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:03.760
some of us are farther down the road of sanctification.

654
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.519
But this idea of a carnal Christian or a fleshly Christian,

655
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:08.920
it's just an oxymoron.

656
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:09.719
Doesn't exist.

657
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:19.880
There are no carnal or fleshy Christians. They don't exist.

658
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.800
And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as undo spiritual,

659
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.679
but as unto carnal, even as under babes in Christ,

660
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:31.920
I have fed you with milk, and not with me,

661
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.440
for hitherto you are not able to bear it. Neither

662
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.880
yet now are you able, For you are yet carnal.

663
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.159
For whereas there is among you envying strife divisions, are

664
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.519
you not carnal? And walk as men? Paul First Corinthians,

665
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.920
chapter three is referring to believers. He calls them babes

666
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.159
in Christ, and he refers to them as carnal. But

667
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.760
we just were told there's no fleshy and no carnal Christian.

668
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.960
So if you're cardinal, or if you're fleshy, you're not saved.

669
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:06.559
But wait, he just said a minute ago, we can

670
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.840
be like, oh, wretched man. Wait, if I'm wretched, would

671
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.239
that not be that I'm carnal and Fleshley, but I

672
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:14.760
cannot be cardinal and Fleshley and be saved according to

673
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.320
this perspective. So basically what he is saying is I

674
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.400
have to be perfect. But yet he's already said that

675
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.159
I can't be perfect, So I don't understand it's perfection

676
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.960
the standard. Because he said that I now have the ability,

677
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.519
the ability to keep the law, and he says I'm

678
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.840
being empowered by the spirit, but he's also acknowledged that

679
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.440
we still commit sin. This is one of those This

680
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.599
is where Christianity it's like if you're trying to draw,

681
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.880
if you're trying to chart this at this point, you're

682
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.599
probably burning your house down because you're probably like, I

683
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.400
can't even follow the chart. I can't even I can

684
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.719
be wretched, but I'm not cardinal, because if I'm cardinal,

685
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.119
I'm not saved. I have the ability to keep the

686
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.199
law and I have power, but I'm going to be wretched.

687
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.519
But wretched is not the same thing as carnal. And

688
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:03.719
the proof of my salvation is my perseverance can't be defeated.

689
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:10.119
And this everyone's sitting in the church. You're saying Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen.

690
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.599
You know everybody will be like, oh, what a great sermon.

691
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.280
Whenever I hear these sermons, I want to run to

692
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.079
the parking lot. And when people come out like come here,

693
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:18.920
come here, come here, come here, explain it to me.

694
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:19.599
How does it work?

695
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:20.199
Now? Wait?

696
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.000
So what about this or this or this? And you

697
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.320
start at you try to talk to people about this,

698
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.599
they'll just talk themselves into circles because they have no

699
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way of how does this work in your life? So

700
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.360
you start asking questions, Hey, God, does God command you

701
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.079
to be holy as He is holy? Yes? Is that

702
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.559
a command? Yes? Is that a law? Yes? Do you

703
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:39.920
do it?

704
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:40.119
No?

705
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.079
Why not? You have the ability to do it? And

706
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.400
if you're not doing it, do you ever do it?

707
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:45.599
No?

708
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.360
That means you're perpetually in sin. So if you're perpetually

709
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.280
in sin, that sounds like you're being defeated. But he

710
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.280
said you have the ability to keep the law. So

711
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.280
I'll just give you one law, be holy as God

712
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.440
is holy. If you have the ability to keep the law,

713
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.960
then just be holy as God is holy? Well, why

714
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:12.719
can't you do it? And when you hear my frustration,

715
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.480
don't think that I'm being frustrated at this sermon. It's

716
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.480
not my frustration. It's not about this sermon. He's preaching

717
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.360
what standard preached in every church. This is not about

718
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.440
this sermon. It's not about that you're misinterpreting this. I'm

719
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.920
criticizing this perspective. And the reason I'm criticizing this perspective

720
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.400
I used to teach the same perspective, even though I

721
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.159
struggled with it, even though I didn't quite understand it.

722
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.119
I just this is the way you're supposed to teach it.

723
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:46.400
Everyone teaches it this way, and I just don't understand.

724
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.559
So maybe we'll get to ten through it. Maybe we're

725
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.280
going to get some explanation, and maybe I'm going to

726
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.000
be like, that's what I was missing. If I would

727
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.199
have just had that piece, it would all make sense.

728
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.480
Right now, I'm going I don't get it.

729
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:06.760
With that backdrop.

730
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:11.199
In mind of that equation, that comparison, let's read verses

731
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:18.119
ten through thirteen. Now, now we'll read verses ten and eleven.

732
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.599
If Christ is in you, although the body is dead

733
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.679
because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.

734
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.320
If the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the

735
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.400
dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ, Jesus from

736
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.119
the dead, will also give life to your mortal bodies

737
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.840
through His spirit who dwells in you. So he's just

738
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.920
given that comparison, and now he's given us the next step.

739
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.000
Here's the byproduct.

740
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.880
If Christ is in you, why was it even necessary

741
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:51.159
for the Holy Spirit to change our natures? Remember what

742
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.199
the old nature looked like. You could verses five through nine.

743
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.320
You can see this progression with the old nature. People

744
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.000
who are of the old nature, they set their minds

745
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.599
on the things of the flesh. The mindset on flesh

746
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.119
is dead. It's hostile towards God. It's not able to

747
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.199
please God. That's not a rosy picture, is it. That

748
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.760
is certainly not the picture of somebody who wants to

749
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.440
hear those words, well done, thou good and faithful servant.

750
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.880
It's not the picture of.

751
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.840
We will hear the words well done, thy good and

752
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:27.880
faithful servant, because those are the words spoken. Those would

753
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:31.480
be the word spoken of Christ in Christ, well done,

754
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.800
thy good and faithful servant, Not well done, thy good

755
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.480
and faithful servant. When looking at my life, because I

756
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.079
will never be a good and faithful servant in my life,

757
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.920
because I'm a sinner, perpetually in sin. The only way

758
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.239
I will ever hear the words good and faithful servant

759
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.920
is because christ righteousness and obedience, passive and active, has

760
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.960
been imputed. To my account, there's no other way. If

761
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.960
you think you are good enough for the perfect God

762
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:58.039
to look at you and say well done, thy good

763
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:06.199
and faithful servant, you're out of your ever living mind.

764
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.840
You've got to convince yourself that you are so much

765
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.639
better than everyone else. You've got to convince yourself that

766
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.599
you're basically perfect.

767
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:24.159
Somebody who is trying to please God, they're not able,

768
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.840
and they don't care to. So he told us in

769
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.360
verse nine, know that we are no longer of the flesh,

770
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:37.039
We're of the spirit. And so look at verse ten.

771
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:44.960
Then, so, according to his argument, God has so changed

772
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.199
our nature. We're no longer of the flesh. We're not fleshly,

773
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.280
we're not carnal in any way, shape or form, because

774
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.440
there's no cardinal Christians. So you're not carnal, you're not fleshy.

775
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.000
So now you've been completely set free from the flesh.

776
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:01.920
You're completely of the spirit. You now are empowered by

777
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:03.840
the spirit. You have a complete new nature, and now

778
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.360
you have the ability to keep the law perfectly. However,

779
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.679
he's also obviously acknowledged that we can be wretched. I

780
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.960
don't again, I don't even understand how this even supposed

781
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.679
to work, Like even from just for it, just from

782
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.400
logical walking through it. Now he's walking through it, and

783
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.679
he's given an outline. Sounds like an outline I could

784
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.960
probably find in a MacArthur commentary that's what it sounds like,

785
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:27.119
or Martin Lloyd Jones, I could probably go to the

786
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.320
commentary that this sounds very similar to and it sounds good.

787
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.039
But see, that's the thing. You can preach sermons by

788
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.239
just learning like what, okay, how am I supposed to

789
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.079
break this passage down? What am I supposed to say? Well,

790
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.840
what does our team say? Here's our theological team. But

791
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:44.679
someone has to be able to go wait, wait, wait, wait,

792
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:48.840
wait wait wait. Let's this sounds great theoretically, but nobody

793
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.800
in the pew, if they're even remotely honest, is experiencing

794
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:59.280
what you are claiming we are unless they're convincing themselves

795
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:12.519
and they have to live a lie.

796
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.159
Remember also a verse nine, he told us to be

797
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.199
any other way if you're not in the spirit. It

798
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.559
meant we didn't belong to God, and that again.

799
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.079
Is key distinction. But look at verse ten.

800
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.440
If Christ is in you, although the body is dead

801
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.519
because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.

802
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.000
So he's making sure we know exactly who the audience

803
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.679
is here. He's just outlining the two groups of people,

804
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.320
and now he's speaking to one of them. If Christ

805
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:44.000
is indeed in you. If Christ isn't in you, what

806
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.679
Paul is about say means nothing to you. It's not

807
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.519
for the lost. The lost cannot please God. They're not

808
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:55.239
able to there's nothing righteous in the lost. They don't

809
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.679
even fear God. He told us in Romans chapter three,

810
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.800
Isaiah told us righteousness is filthy rags. It's not even

811
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.760
as good as filthy rags. Is essentially what's going on there.

812
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:11.079
So if Christ is indeed in you, then what he's

813
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.480
about to say applies. So he's speaking to those who

814
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.519
belong to God. And it's a very necessary distinction. Some

815
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.880
of us might think, well, you don't have to say this,

816
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.960
we know what's going on here. It's very necessary because

817
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.800
even though he's been very specific in differentiating these two groups,

818
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:32.840
there's still some commonality between us and the lost, and

819
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:34.519
we don't like to admit that.

820
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:44.079
Wait, there's commonality between us and the lost? How can

821
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.760
there be? Okay, all right, I'll be curious what the

822
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.480
commonality is, because he's already demonstrated that we're completely different

823
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:55.440
than the loss, right, But there's some commonality. Maybe the

824
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.880
commonality is maybe they're gonna go with kind of the

825
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.559
outline that I already gave you. Is he going to

826
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.440
go with the idea that the body, it's the it's

827
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:06.920
the body. We have the same dead body as them.

828
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.440
But notice his parenthetical thought that he makes after he

829
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.280
identifies his group. If Christ is ineed in you, although

830
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.960
the body is dead because of sin, look back at

831
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.159
verse six, for to set the mind on the flesh

832
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:28.400
is death, but to set the mind on the spirit

833
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:36.880
is life and peace. What's the commonality this dead body,

834
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.400
this unredeemed body. All the way back in chapter one,

835
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:48.159
Paul began very painstakingly differentiating between the mind or the

836
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:53.719
heart sometimes those are used interchangeably, and the body. He

837
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.239
began to be very deliberate in chapter six and seven,

838
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:57.880
as we've spent some time talking about that.

839
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.639
But let's review a key passage. Turn back to Romans one.

840
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.880
We'll just I want to do a quick fly over

841
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.519
a few verses throughout the letter that are.

842
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:07.760
Leading us to this point.

843
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.360
One of the interesting things about the Book of Romans

844
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:18.480
is Paul's building precept upon precept upon precept.

845
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:20.119
He's not just.

846
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:25.599
Talking and disjointed ideas or thoughts. Look at Chapter one,

847
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.719
verse twenty one. Although they knew God, they did not

848
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.800
honor him as God or give thanks to him. But

849
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:36.280
they became noticed this futile in their thinking, and their

850
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.280
foolish hearts were darkened. So you see the mind and

851
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.559
the heart length there. It's lost, it's it's fleshly, they'reof

852
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.159
the flesh that those people there in verse twenty one

853
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.119
are the people he just described in the previous few verses.

854
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:52.840
Here in chapter eight, jump.

855
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.480
Oh, it drives me crazy. That describes all of us.

856
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.960
But okay, okay, I won't go back to my sermons

857
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:05.280
on Romans one. But I oh so so I went, hey,

858
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.039
there's a commonality between us and lost people. But then

859
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.880
there's no commonality because see, lost people there this way.

860
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:17.519
But we we're so much better than them, We're so

861
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.519
much better than them. Okay, oh man, okay, right, let's

862
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.480
see how he's going to go here, because I want

863
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.039
to know how he's going to handle the dead body concept.

864
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.679
All right, so I gotta not interrupt here.

865
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:33.119
We go down to verse twenty eight. And since they

866
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.840
did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them

867
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:38.960
up to a debased mind to do what ought not

868
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:44.199
to be done. Again is tying the mind. Think about

869
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.639
what Paul just told us in chapter sevens will go

870
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:51.599
along this. Remember he was struggling with the fact that

871
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.639
he was still sinning, but his mind still was bent

872
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.480
towards God. I keep bringing us back to that, but

873
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.679
it's important. Look at verse twenty four or skipped over

874
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.480
this one. Therefore, God gave them up in the lusts

875
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.280
of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their

876
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:10.840
bodies among themselves. You see this continuous linking of the

877
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:17.199
heart and the mind. Turnover chapter two look at verse five.

878
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.920
But because of your hard and impenitent heart, you are

879
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.480
storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath

880
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.000
when God's judgment.

881
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:26.400
Will be revealed.

882
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.239
Who was he talking there in first part of verse two,

883
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:33.039
talking to hypocrites, those who are pretending to be something

884
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:34.360
and yet not.

885
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:42.280
Yeah, that's all of Christianity.

886
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.639
You see their hearts there. Jump down to verse fifteen.

887
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:47.800
They show that the work of the law is written

888
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.159
on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and

889
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:57.199
their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them. So we

890
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.800
see the heart and the mind there. That's where the

891
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.519
identifying mark is of these two groups that Paul identified

892
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:08.159
in chapter eight. Where is the heart and mind? Look

893
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:11.719
at verse twenty nine. But a jew is one inwardly,

894
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.280
and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the spirit,

895
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.800
not by the letter. His praise is not from man,

896
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.880
but from God. It's not actions that save us. It's

897
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.440
the condition of the heart, which we know is desperately wicked.

898
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:39.119
But the condition of the heart saves us, not the

899
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:43.000
perfect righteousness of Christ imputed to my account his death

900
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.519
brown resurrection. It's the condition of my heart that saves me.

901
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.639
So I don't look to Christ. I look to the

902
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:58.960
condition of my heart. Oh man, oh man, oh man,

903
00:53:59.000 --> 00:53:59.320
oh man.

904
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:05.719
Omen As we saw in chapter three, those who belonged

905
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:09.639
to him have had that heart changed, and it has

906
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:13.039
been redeemed. It has had God's righteousness imputed to it.

907
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:14.599
Jump over to chapter five.

908
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.760
Wait, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Whoah. God's righteousness is

909
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.760
imputed to my heart. That's not changing the heart. Okay, okay,

910
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.679
now I'm going to lose it. Now, I'm going to

911
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:31.159
lose it. Now, I'm going to lose it. God's righteousness

912
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.440
imputed to the heart would mean God simply declares my

913
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:38.920
heart to be that which it is not. It does

914
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.639
not change the heart. The condition of the heart is

915
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:48.119
not changed by imputation. Imputation is he's imputing. He's accrediting

916
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.159
it to a heart that's not righteous. He's saying, I'm

917
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.440
declaring your heart to be righteous, even though your heart

918
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.679
isn't righteous. It does not change the heart. It does

919
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.480
not transform the heart. Imputation does not change or transform anything.

920
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:15.440
Where does it say in three that he imputes righteousness

921
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:21.320
to the heart. But now the righteousness of God without

922
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.159
the law is manifested, being witnessed of the law, even

923
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:26.400
the righteousness of God, which is faith of Jesus Christ,

924
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.360
unto all upon all, for all have sinned, being justified

925
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.039
freely by the grace through the redemption that is in Christ, Jesus,

926
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.199
whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through

927
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.800
faith and blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission

928
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.840
of sins that are passed to the forbearance of God.

929
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:42.519
To declare, I say that at this time his righteousness,

930
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:44.599
that it might be just and the justifier of Him,

931
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.360
the which believes in Jesus, where is boasting. It is

932
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.920
excluded by the law, by what law of works? Nay,

933
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:53.280
but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that

934
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.159
a man is justified by faith without the deeds of

935
00:55:56.199 --> 00:56:01.599
the law. This has nothing to do with impauty righteousness

936
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:09.840
to the heart. He literally used the word imputed. Okay,

937
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.599
we got I don't know what to say, what.

938
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:15.480
To say, I don't know what to say.

939
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.599
Okay, we've got to get to ten. We've got to

940
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.159
get to the dead bodies. We got to get to

941
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.760
the dead bodies. We started with my very poor acting

942
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.239
and misspeaking about the dead bodies. We've got to get

943
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:25.239
back to the dead bodies.

944
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:32.960
Paul starts to get more elaborate here or more specific.

945
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:35.280
Look at chapter five, verse five, and hope does not

946
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.800
put us to shame, because God's love has been poured

947
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:43.480
where into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has

948
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.559
been given to us. That's the first mention of the

949
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:51.320
Holy Spirit we get, and then he saves it a

950
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.119
little bit his work until chapter eight, where he expounds

951
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:54.400
on it.

952
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:56.119
Look at chapter six.

953
00:56:56.239 --> 00:57:00.199
Now, though, we know that our old self was crucified

954
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:04.159
with him in order that the body of sin might

955
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:06.719
be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer

956
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:11.199
be enslaved to sin. So when he's talking about self there,

957
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.039
he's talking about the mind and the heart. You guys

958
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.280
have often heard me ask the question, what is it

959
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:20.800
that makes you you? What is the thing?

960
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:21.079
You know?

961
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.639
People can be scarred physically and yet they don't change

962
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.840
because the thing that makes us you is something we

963
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:35.039
can't really describe it. It's it's it's not material, it's

964
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.199
it's not even electricity. You know, if it was as

965
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:42.760
simple as electricity, we can manipulate DNA, we'd be able

966
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.719
to create life. If it was just electricity. What is

967
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:48.079
it that makes you you? What does it gives you life?

968
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:53.480
We know that that is God breathing into us. That

969
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.400
is God given. He is the one who gives life.

970
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:01.199
Look in verse twelve, chapter six. Let not therefore reinwear

971
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.760
in your mortal body to make you obey its passions.

972
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:09.280
So we're seeing him begin to really separate. Now in

973
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.519
chapter six, Wait, how.

974
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.519
Could we let sin reign in our mortal bodies if

975
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:20.440
we have a new nature and new heart, If we're

976
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:22.840
a new creature, the oldest gun, everything is new.

977
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:29.199
I oh boy, all right, fix the mind and the

978
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.480
heart from the physical body.

979
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:33.079
Look at verse thirteen.

980
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:36.199
Do not present your members, which we know as a

981
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.239
reference to the human.

982
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:39.320
Body or the physical body.

983
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.039
Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness,

984
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.119
but present yourselves to God as those who have been

985
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:50.280
brought from death to life, and your members to God

986
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.719
as instruments for righteousness. Notice that verse. We've talked about

987
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.920
this at the time. It's not a two for two comparison.

988
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:04.199
He says, don't present your members to sin. But then

989
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.119
on the other side he says, do present yourselves to

990
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.920
God and your members to God. Well, why didn't he say,

991
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:17.559
don't present yourselves to sin? Can't We're dead to sin.

992
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.320
That's been taken care of the inner man. The heart

993
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:25.519
and the mind have been redeemed, they have been regenerated.

994
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:32.039
We are new creatures already.

995
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.519
So we can't present ourselves to sin because we've already

996
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.440
been regenerated, and we are a new creature already. So

997
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.880
if I'm a new creature, then where in the world

998
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:45.920
is sin coming from?

999
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:48.880
Why does he have to add the caveat on the

1000
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:52.800
other side. Because while the heart and the mind the

1001
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:57.719
soul have been redeemed, these bodies still struggle a little bit, right,

1002
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.559
at least some of us. I know, some of you

1003
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.599
are right there on the edge of perfection.

1004
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:07.440
But some of us have a ways to go, all right,

1005
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:11.360
So the body still struggle a little bit. The body

1006
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:14.320
still struggle a little bit. So we're completely perfect on

1007
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.719
the inside, but the body still struggles. So this is

1008
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:19.960
kind of going the idea that we kind of started.

1009
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:25.840
The bodies struggle, all right, The bodies struggle. So everything

1010
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.400
on the inside is perfect, but we just can't get

1011
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.760
the body to work. It seems that seems to be

1012
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:31.800
the way this is going.

1013
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:38.400
Look at verse nineteen. I'm speaking in human terms because

1014
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:45.880
of your natural limitations. Phrase their natural limitations significant. For

1015
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:49.039
just as you once presented your members as slaves to

1016
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.039
impurity and the lawlessness leading the more lawlessness, so now

1017
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:58.519
present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. Notice,

1018
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:04.719
you know we talked about freedom. The lost look at

1019
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.239
us as if we're trapped. But they don't even realize

1020
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:11.280
their slaves. Paul said, you were slaves to impurity. Now'll

1021
01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:15.679
be slaves to righteousness. It's much more freeing, it's much

1022
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:18.599
more liberating. One more look at Roman seven.

1023
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:22.559
Now read.

1024
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:28.199
Verse eighteen. For I know that nothing good dwells in me.

1025
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.119
It's a tough state. A lot of people struggle with

1026
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.440
that portion of chapter seven, because, well, we're Christians. There's

1027
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.159
got to be something good. You know, the Holy Spirit

1028
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:43.920
dwells in me. Christ dwells in me. Nothing good dwells

1029
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.079
in me. He clarifies it right there. When I say that,

1030
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:51.559
I mean my flesh nothing good. This body is not redeemed.

1031
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.960
Why for I have the desire? Where does the desire

1032
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:58.760
come from? Comes from the mind? Right, it's our mind

1033
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:03.000
that frustrates us. You know, our mind says you need

1034
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:06.920
to lose weight. But your mind also says that Twinkie

1035
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:13.440
looks good. Our minds are fickle beasts. But that's where

1036
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.599
desires come. But he says, I have the desire to.

1037
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:18.360
Do what is right.

1038
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.519
I don't have the ability. My flesh is saying no,

1039
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.320
do this satisfy me. Jump down to verse twenty two.

1040
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:29.559
For I delight in the law of God, where in

1041
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:34.000
my inner being, my heart, my mind, my soul. But

1042
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.280
I see in my members my body another law waging

1043
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.199
war against the law of my mind and making me

1044
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:42.760
captive to the law of sin that dwells. Where in

1045
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:47.000
my members, wretched man that I am, who will deliver

1046
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.360
me from the body of death.

1047
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.360
He's already been delivered his heart and his mind.

1048
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.280
Verse twenty five thanks me to God through Jesus Christ,

1049
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:58.800
our Lord. So then I myself serve the law of

1050
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:03.480
God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve

1051
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:05.960
the law of sin. So now look again at verse ten.

1052
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.840
In chapter eight we get back to our main text.

1053
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.960
What hopefully you'll see why we went through all of that.

1054
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:17.719
There that distinction between the heart, mind, soul, and the

1055
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:22.599
physical body is significant. That's the whole point of sanctification. Really,

1056
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.920
look at verse ten. If Christ is in you, if

1057
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.480
you are a child of God, if you've been redeemed,

1058
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:35.519
though the body is dead because of sin, yet the

1059
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:39.639
spirit is alive because of righteousness. That word spirit there

1060
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:43.039
should be a lower case. Some of the translations have

1061
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:45.679
a capital S. Some of them have a lower case,

1062
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.159
as he's not talking about the Holy Spirit in that verse,

1063
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.239
talking about the spirit of the person, the spirit of

1064
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:57.719
the being, the human being. My body is dead, my

1065
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:01.199
spirit is alive. Obviously, the Holy Spirit is alive. He

1066
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:05.199
always has been, always will be. But that is definitely

1067
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:10.559
should be a lowercases. But he's showing us that even

1068
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:16.800
though we are redeemed, that word righteousness is key. Why

1069
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:23.760
is our spirit alive because we're righteous. Even though we're redeemed,

1070
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:26.880
we have righteousness. The flesh has not yet been. We've

1071
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:30.400
talked about that. That's why this parenthetical statement that he

1072
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.719
has here, that's why it's so important. Now sometimes when

1073
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:39.199
you see those parenthetical statements to help you understand a verse,

1074
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:44.000
it's good to read the main sentence without the parenthetical thought,

1075
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.760
and it'll help you understand the purpose of the parenthetical thought.

1076
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:49.199
So look at verse ten. Let's read it without that.

1077
01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:53.599
If Christ is in you, the spirit is alive because

1078
01:04:53.599 --> 01:05:01.159
of righteousness. Yes, we'll talk about the parenthetical in a minute. Yes,

1079
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:05.760
the body is still dead because of sin. But if

1080
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:09.639
Christ is in you, your spirit is alive. Why because

1081
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:13.039
of righteousness? And he already established in chapter three that

1082
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:17.559
this righteousness the only true righteousness. It's not self righteousness.

1083
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:23.079
It's not our personal righteousness. It comes from outside of us.

1084
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.800
He showed us back then that it was the redeeming

1085
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:29.320
work of the Godhead that caused this righteousness in US

1086
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.199
Romans three twenty one through twenty five.

1087
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:36.960
So he's not going to go with an imputed righteousness.

1088
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:39.400
I guess he's going to go with an infused righteousness. Right,

1089
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.639
So my spirit is alive because I'm righteous because of

1090
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:45.079
an infused righteousness.

1091
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:49.360
He said.

1092
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:53.119
But now the righteousness of God has been manifest apart

1093
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:57.639
from the law. That's the righteousness that changes lives. That's

1094
01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:00.800
the righteousness that makes the inner being alive.

1095
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:06.159
See this is not he just is abandoning imputed righteousness.

1096
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.400
Your spirit is alive because you have been made righteous,

1097
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.920
You have been infused with righteousness. He even used imputed

1098
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:16.880
as almost an infused righteousness. Imputed righteousness does not transform.

1099
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:20.440
Imputed righteousness does not change. Imputed righteousness doesn't do anything

1100
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:22.519
but declare you to be that which you are not.

1101
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:26.559
It's so this is Sometimes I think I'm sitting back

1102
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.840
in a Catholic university. Sometimes I think that there's no

1103
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:33.000
point in leaving the Catholic Church, because this is Roman

1104
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:40.119
Catholicism just disguised to something other. This is about infused, infused.

1105
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:43.639
That was the whole Protestant Reformation change. Read the London

1106
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:46.599
Baptist Confession of Faith or distinct. There als a distinction

1107
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.639
between imputed and infused righteousness. I believe it's in the

1108
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:51.280
section on justification.

1109
01:06:55.480 --> 01:07:00.760
Our righteousness filthy rags, useless, of no value. The righteousness

1110
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:08.039
of God eternal value. It's powerful, although the law and

1111
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:11.800
prophets bear witness to it. The righteousness of God through

1112
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:15.280
faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there

1113
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.639
is no distinction, for all have sin and fall short

1114
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:21.559
of the glory of God and are justified by His

1115
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.960
grace as a gift through the redemption that is in Christ, Jesus,

1116
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:28.800
whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood

1117
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:30.119
to be received by faith.

1118
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.519
Just remember that all believers have been saved the same way.

1119
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:39.480
Jew Gentile Jewish believers weren't saved by obeying the law.

1120
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:45.960
All of us have been saved by grace.

1121
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:52.920
By an imputed righteousness, which does not make us righteous

1122
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:56.599
and practice. It declares me to be that which I

1123
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:01.280
am not like, I don't understand what is. Maybe he's

1124
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.840
going to revert back to an imputed idea. But everything

1125
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.880
he's saying lots of the right words, but it's carrying

1126
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:11.239
and a meaning that's completely opposite to the right words.

1127
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:14.800
Let's see if he clarifies it.

1128
01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:18.800
It's through faith, it's through the redemption that is in Christ,

1129
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:24.399
Jesus all of us. We see here even in this passage,

1130
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:29.399
that commonality between the saved and the lost. We all

1131
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:35.960
sin We all have sinned. Remember we three little curveball

1132
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:38.840
there when we looked at them. Vers We hear Romans

1133
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.920
three twenty three quoted all the time. It's the Romans road,

1134
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.359
and all have sinned. It is very true that every

1135
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:48.680
human being has sinned. But that's not what Paul's saying there.

1136
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:56.159
Paul saying that jud gentile, all believers were sinners. And

1137
01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:00.319
so let me swing this thought back around now here

1138
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:04.199
in Romans eight. Why are we doing all this backtracking

1139
01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:09.479
Verses five through nine. Remember, the distinction is great between

1140
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:14.319
the two groups of people. They're far apart on the

1141
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:21.000
spectrum as they can get. But he's not ignoring the commonality,

1142
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:27.319
the common ground that exists for the time being both

1143
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:33.239
groups those unregenerate that he talked about there who have

1144
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:35.680
no desire to please God and are not even able

1145
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.880
to do so, and those whose minds are completely bent

1146
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.760
towards God and whose ultimate goal is to obey him completely.

1147
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:48.680
Both of them disobey God. Both of them sin, Both

1148
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.880
of them have the capacity for sin. One group, though,

1149
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.840
is dead in their sins because their inner man is

1150
01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:02.199
still dead. Again that rehash. They set their mind on

1151
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:04.920
the things of the flesh. The mindset on flesh is dead.

1152
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.560
It's hostile towards God. It's not able to please God.

1153
01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:13.159
They are dead in their trespasses and sins. But one

1154
01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:17.319
group here we see in verse ten, is alive because

1155
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:24.039
of righteousness. We as humans, we so much want to

1156
01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:29.680
get credit for something, and so Paulard already dealt with

1157
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.640
the people who wanted credit for the salvation. He kicked

1158
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:34.720
that can of the curb and they had nothing to

1159
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:35.279
stand on.

1160
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:37.000
So then it shifts.

1161
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:40.600
Okay, fine, God was responsible for my sanctification, but I'm

1162
01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:44.760
pretty good catch though. Look at how well I obey him. Now,

1163
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:51.359
look at how far I'm progressing in my sanctification. We

1164
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:56.319
aren't alive because of our good works. We don't persevere

1165
01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.319
because of our aptitude. We're alive. It's because of righteousness.

1166
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.520
And where did that righteousness come from? We go back

1167
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:08.640
to chapter three. It's God's righteousness. It was imputed to us,

1168
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.920
was the word. He literally placed it on our accounts.

1169
01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:14.439
Why because our accounts were void.

1170
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:21.319
So okay, so he's going back to an imputed idea. Okay,

1171
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.199
that's a good thing, all right. So now I'm even

1172
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:28.479
more confused. All right, So I'm alive because righteousness has

1173
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.319
been accredited in my account. That does not change me.

1174
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:33.520
That does not transform me in any way, shape or form.

1175
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:35.680
Let's see how if he can clarify this, then we'll

1176
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:37.520
have to bring this to some kind of conclusion.

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01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:39.319
Vation.

1178
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.199
First of all, I had to wipe out the debt

1179
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.880
of sin, but that didn't make us righteous. That just

1180
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:50.720
got rid of the unrighteousness. But he imputed that righteousness,

1181
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.720
the righteousness of God, which comes through faith. And so

1182
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.920
there is a distinction between these two groups. Both groups

1183
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.880
have a capacity for sin. One is dead, one is alive.

1184
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.960
We're live because of righteousness that was imputed to us.

1185
01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:11.000
He says that group here it is in Christ, and

1186
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.680
that group has Christ in them. If you see that

1187
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:17.680
in verse ten. There, So both groups sin, but there's

1188
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:21.319
a major difference. The inner beings or the natures, the minds,

1189
01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:27.600
the souls are different. Who's the cause of that change?

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01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:34.159
The Holy Spirit? Look at verse eleven. If the spirit

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01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:35.479
of him who raised Jesus.

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01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:40.920
We'll stop there. I don't know if any of that

1193
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.439
makes any sense. And so we all still sin. We

1194
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:47.039
all still sin, but the difference is one group is

1195
01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:51.039
completely changed on the inside, but we have a dead body.

1196
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:55.680
So we all still sin, but one group can actually

1197
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.760
keep the law. So I guess one group. We all

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01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.880
still sin, but I guess one no longer has to sin,

1199
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:05.039
but they still sin even though they don't have anything

1200
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:08.279
on the inside getting them to sind. And I guess

1201
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:11.640
they sin because it's just our body. So then how

1202
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:19.960
do we get the body to work? I don't know.

1203
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:22.479
I don't know. I'm just gonna stop there. I'm a

1204
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:33.760
little I I don't know what to say. I don't

1205
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:39.039
know what to say. I guess do we go back?

1206
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:41.439
Do we end this the way this all started? Do

1207
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:46.920
we go back to that? Do we go back to this?

1208
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.239
Is Patrol one headquarters.

1209
01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:55.039
Come in Patrol one this is headquarters. Go ahead, Yes,

1210
01:13:55.199 --> 01:14:00.119
I'm at the first Baptist Church. We have a weird discovery.

1211
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:06.920
We have three hundred. They're kind of dead, but they're

1212
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:12.239
not really dead. I mean they're dead. We have bodies.

1213
01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.960
We're confused. Oh, don't worry about it. It's people inside

1214
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:24.720
a church. They're confused to Nobody really understands how any

1215
01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.439
of this works. Just don't worry about it. Just let

1216
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:29.479
them be. Just let them be. And because they think

1217
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.359
they're all perfect anyway, well, I mean I don't think

1218
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:32.800
they're perfect. I mean, well they think they kind of

1219
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.840
never mind, just ignore them. But they think they're better

1220
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:38.439
than you. I mean, well, no, they don't actually think

1221
01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:41.439
they're better than you. I don't know. Nobody really understands.

1222
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:43.359
Just let them be, let them be, let them be,

1223
01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:47.600
Just move on to another location. Right if you find

1224
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:49.840
dead bodies anywhere else, it'll be much easier to know

1225
01:14:49.840 --> 01:15:00.000
what to do with them. I would love for you

1226
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.439
to grab a piece of paper and just write it out.

1227
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:05.279
How you think this all works. How do you think

1228
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.880
it actually works? Now you have to start with the

1229
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.720
I think the starting point is nobody can be perfect,

1230
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:15.479
nobody can obey at least these laws. Be holy as

1231
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.479
He is holy, Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

1232
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:20.279
Love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul.

1233
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:22.439
I think we can just take those three. Love your enemy,

1234
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:24.760
love your neighbor as you love yourself. I think we

1235
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:27.159
just take those commands. I think everyone agrees. No one's

1236
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:29.640
even going to come. No, you're a perpetual state of sin.

1237
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:31.680
So you start with the fact that no one can

1238
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:33.600
be perfect and we're in a perpetual state of sin.

1239
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.199
Now you figure out the rest. You map it out.

1240
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:39.319
How does it work? Do I have a completely new

1241
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:41.479
nature and a completely new heart and the Holy Spirit's

1242
01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:43.399
giving me power? Well, then why can I not get

1243
01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.640
to perfection? What's keeping me from perfection? Is it my body?

1244
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:48.239
If it's my body, then how do I get my

1245
01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:50.399
body to work? And why is my body stronger than

1246
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:52.319
the Holy Spirit that's inside of me? You think the

1247
01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:55.079
spirit inside at me would have enough power to overcome

1248
01:15:55.079 --> 01:16:02.119
my body now, But I would love for you to

1249
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.960
map it out. And it's not even about whether you're

1250
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:07.800
right or wrong. I would just like to see how

1251
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.720
you think it through. How do you like, how do

1252
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.920
you you've got to process this there's some understanding you've come

1253
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:16.880
to in your Christian life. For the most part, most

1254
01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.720
of you think you understand it, and you've been comfortable

1255
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.680
in that understanding what made you comfortable? And for me,

1256
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:28.840
I've never understood this in my entire Christian life. I've

1257
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.319
heard every kind of sermon, read every kind of book.

1258
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:36.000
I've gone to seminary, Bible college, Bible institute. I've graduated

1259
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:39.760
from this and this, and I've gone to reform schools

1260
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:43.279
now reform schools. I've gone to a Catholic university. I've

1261
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.560
worked on a degree in Catholic theology. You name the

1262
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:50.319
philological stream, I've probably have been gone to some school

1263
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:56.359
learning that philological perspective and their understanding of these concepts.

1264
01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:58.880
And when it's all said and done, it's like, well,

1265
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:02.279
we're still going to send but but but but but

1266
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:04.920
but if you could send too much, you're not saved,

1267
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:12.680
all right, But you have power and you can keep

1268
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.880
the law. Well, well if I can't, I don't understand it.

1269
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.760
It's just it's so much talking in circles. But I

1270
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:21.199
will stop right there because I'm just I'm exhausted. Now,

1271
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:23.520
all right, thanks for listening to everyone. I wish I

1272
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.600
had a better answer. I wish I could to what

1273
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.000
to do. I wish I even knew what to say.

1274
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:29.840
I don't know what are you finding? And you're random

1275
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.760
sermons on Romans eight ten through eleven. Please look for

1276
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:34.520
please see what you're I would love to hear what

1277
01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:37.239
you're finding. What are you getting anything better than this?

1278
01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:40.560
Are you getting? Are you? Have you found what you feel?

1279
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:44.720
As an answer? In some ways, this seems more confusing

1280
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.920
than what we started with. Remember the perspective we started with.

1281
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:51.119
The Christian body is dead. The nature and heart has

1282
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:54.960
completely changed. The body can't respond to the nature, and

1283
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.199
so we need a resurrection of the body. That must

1284
01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:00.399
happen now so that our body can respond. The problem

1285
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:02.079
with this view that I gave you to start with

1286
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:04.079
is that that don't explain how we get the resurrection.

1287
01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:07.199
And if we get the resurrection, would not not then

1288
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.680
declare that we could then be perfect. This one is

1289
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:12.199
saying the body is still the problem, and I guess

1290
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:14.560
we just have to then get the body to work right.

1291
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.359
But again, then that comes on me. If you say no,

1292
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:19.600
God is the one who gets the body to work, well,

1293
01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:21.479
then why are we not perfect? So is it me

1294
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:23.399
or God. On one hand, it says it's not me,

1295
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.840
it's God. On one hand, he scene.

1296
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:28.319
I don't understand.

1297
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:31.600
I don't understand, or thanks for listening, everyone, have a

1298
01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:34.920
great night. I apologize for not having better answers, but

1299
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:37.520
I don't really know what to do with it. I'm

1300
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.439
trying to follow it, and it just seems like you

1301
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:44.039
say one thing and then you backtrack, you take three

1302
01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:47.319
steps forward and you take five steps back, like it's

1303
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:49.720
just so like so it's this way, well it's not

1304
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:52.039
this way. It's this way. Well it's not this way,

1305
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:57.560
and it's like, so, which is it? I know, here's

1306
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.760
you know the reason it's so confusing because no matter

1307
01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.279
what the preachers want to do, they have to admit this.

1308
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:06.439
They're still sinning and all the people they're preaching to

1309
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.520
still sin. So everyone in the congregation has to admit

1310
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:12.880
that they're all still sinning. Everyone has to admit that.

1311
01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:23.159
But so then why all right, God bless