Revival Pt 2

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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast

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making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone, it is what day is it?

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It's Thursday. I almost forgot the
day of the week. Good afternoon everyone.

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It is Thursday, June the twenty
seventh, twenty twenty four. It

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is currently two seven pm Central time, and I am coming to you live

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from the Theology Central studio located right
here in Abilene, Texas. Now,

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a few days ago, I put
on my shoes, I grabbed a set

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of keys, I opened the front
door. I walked down the driveway.

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I walked across the street about a
half a block down on the left hand

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side, and that's where all the
mailboxes are for the peace people in this

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residential area. Right, well,
there's two sets of boxes for those on

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this side of the residential area.
The box is about, you know,

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half a block from my house.
And then on the other side of the

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residential area there's another box for the
people who live on that area, that

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side of the residential area. Right
Okay, So I walked down, I

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opened the box, and ladies and
gentlemen, I told you it was like

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Christmas in July. In fact,
this happened on July. Christmas in June.

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It happened on June the twenty fifth, so it felt like Christmas in

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June. Why do I keep wanting
to say, I don't know the day

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of the week, I don't know
the month, I don't know the I

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don't know anything right now, No, it is June. So this happened

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on June the twenty fifth, just
a few days ago. So telling my

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story again, I grabbed my shoes, put on my shoes, grab the

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keys, walked down the driveway,
across the street half about a half a

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block to the left, there are
the mailboxes. I opened the mailbox,

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and inside the mailbox, ladies and
gentlemen, it was Christmas in June.

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Because there wasn't just one issue of
the sort of the Lord newspaper. There

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were two, one of them dated
June the seventh, twenty twenty four,

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the other one June the twenty first, twenty twenty four, The sort of

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the Lord newspaper. Remember I told
everyone to get a subscription of these,

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like starting last year, okay,
And I've had about a year of subscription

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of these, and well, and
I've got stacks of a sort of the

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Lord newspapers, like there are stacks
of sort of the Lord newspapers in our

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church library stacks. There are stacks
of sort of Lord newspapers all around me.

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Okay, I probably need to throw
a lot. I don't like throwing

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anything away when it comes to like
books or our newspapers, because you know,

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they've got words, and I don't
like, you know, I feel

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like a Nazi or something. But
I have them all around me. But

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I grabbed the two. And remember, one of them clearly is focused on

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July, because the first article is
America's Greatest Need with a big American flag.

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And then there's another one here,
the Declaration of Independence? What Price

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Freedom? And I'm like, okay, that's going to fourth of July.

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We're out. Okay, I'll get
to that at some point. Let me

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set that down. And then remember
I picked up the other one. The

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June seventh issue of the sort of
the Lord Newspaper and Ladies and Gentlemen,

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there was an article entitled the Holy
Spirit and Revival. The Holy Spirit and

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Revival, And as soon as I
saw the word revival, I was like,

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we're going to have to talk about
that, and it should be an

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interesting series if we talk about revival
primarily using the sort of the Lord Newspaper

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article, because I'm not going to
read it in advance, and we'll just

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discover what it has to say in
real time together. It should be interesting,

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it should be fun. But when
I did my introductory message, I

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kind of went through my history with
the subject of revival. We talked a

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little bit about some definitions, some
history of review, and so today I

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think what we're going to do is
we're going to grab sort of the Lord

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newspaper and just start working through it. But let me let me just try

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to put forth kind of a criticism
that is often sent to me via email

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or comments. A lot of people
accuse me of this. They say that

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I preach, that I teach,
that I promote, that I defend,

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that I support the idea of a
powerless Christianity, that I don't promote and

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teach this idea that we have power
and that they're supernatural power available to us,

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and that I greatly am an enemy
to that idea. And you know

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what, some of that criticism is
valid. But what frustrates me is people

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will criticize me, but they never
clearly articulate or outline how the power that

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we supposedly have is supposed to work? Right? Oh, oh, we

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have the power. Oh, we
have power. So we have the power

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to obey all of God's law and
we can be sinless and we can be

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perfect. Well, no, we
don't have that power. Oh way,

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so we don't have that power.
What power do we have? Well,

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we have the power to sin less? All right. Do we have the

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power to sin less externally or internally
or both? And why is that power

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to sin less limited? We cannot
get to sin less, but we can

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just sin less? Can't can't people
just through you know, dedication and discipline

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and maybe placing some you know,
some things around them, they could sin

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less even with just human effort to
some level. Well, we have supernatural

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ability to understand the word of God. You hear Christians say that. Well,

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if we have the supernatural ability to
understand the word of God, then

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why are there so many different denominations? And no, but he can agree

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on anything. Well, we have
the supernatural power. And it's like all

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this time about power and this and
God will do this for you and and

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sometimes it's like they get mad at
me because I call that into question.

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But they can't artake, they can't
answer basic questions about the so called power

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which we so called supposedly possess,
and it drives me crazy. He said,

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well, Christians have this power.
You're like, look at Christianity.

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Well then their argument is, well, all the people who don't seem to

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demonstrate this power are not saved.
Okay, well then who is saved?

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Like, It's just it just drives
me crazy. And so I know,

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I get that accusation thrown at me, and that really will probably it's probably

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gonna show up because when we talk
about so called revival again, I'm somewhat

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skeptical of the way it's typically like, oh, the power of God falls

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during revival, and then all of
this supposedly happens. Well, wherever all

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the times revival supposedly has fallen,
and all of this power is supposedly demonstrated,

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why doesn't it ever last? Right? I mean, those are questions

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and I and I get sometimes frustrated
with the double speak within Christianity. Yesterday,

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I was just watching a lot of
the webcast on the sermon's two point

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Oh app I was just watched going
from one to another, and I probably

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should have just stayed with one.
But in this particular case, it was

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kind of very it was kind of
very illustrative of what I sometimes struggle with

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within Christianity. So I listened to
one that is entitled that was entitled something

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like what Satan Saw in Job's House. What Satan Saw in Job's House.

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Now, that's a cool title.
So that got my attention. What Satan

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saw in Job's house. That's really
cool. But the very first part of

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this webcast slash sermon, and I'm
and I'm following it. It should show

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up in my feed at some point, hopefully they'll upload it. But base

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the argument was God for his children, for Christians, he places a hedge

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around us which Satan cannot penetrate.
Not only does he put a hedge around

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us that Satan cannot penetrate, he
also gives us a guardian angel. Every

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Christian has a guardian angel which protects
us and defends us. And I'm like,

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so, wait a minute. So, as a Christian God has put

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a hedge around me Satan cannot penetrate, well, then I don't need to

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worry about Satan, right, Okay, Second, I have a guardian angel

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which protects me. Well, then
Why why do Christians need guns or lock

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their doors? Why do we need
to take any precaution if I have a

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guardian angel literally protecting me for a
miny harm, Like, so I'm just

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baffled. Well, I go.
I go directly to another webcast on the

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sermon's two point oh epp. And
this one is like, Satan attacks you

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every single day, every single day. Satan is attacking you, every single

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day. Satan is out to get
you every And I'm like, wait a

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minute. I just was taught and
a sermon that God puts a hedge around

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me and Satan cannot penetrate it.
Now I'm being told that Satan is attacking

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me. Could Christians make up their
mind? A lot of times there's this

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weird inconsistency, And I think when
it comes to power and God out pouring

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out his spirit and God and dwelling
us with his spirit and giving and reviving

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us, there's always like this weird
thing like there's all this power. But

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then then it'll be like, oh, but well, we're gonna sin and

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we're gonna do this, and it's
like almost like contradicting itself. And sometimes

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the double speak in the in the
just contradiction in Christianity drives me mad.

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On one hand, God does this
for me, and God does this for

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me, and God does this for
me, and God gives me this,

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and I have this power and I
have this ability. On the other hand,

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it's like, well, we're gonna
fall, we're gonna struggle, and

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bad things are gonna happen. Like, which is it now? Some people

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say it's both, Well, you've
got to explain it to me. So

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I have a feeling that when I
get to this article on revival, you're

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going to hear maybe a little bit
of my skepticism, a little bit of

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my cynicism. And again, what
I have seen in a good portion of

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my life is that revival is a
scheduled set of church meetings, and within

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those scheduled set of church meetings,
the people are kind of already prepared that

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this is about revival, and this
is about an outpouring of God. So

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there should be some emotion, there
should be some confession, there should be

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some brokenness, So the people are
kind of already the pomp is already primed,

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the people are prepared for what is
already expected. And then many of

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the services I don't think there's it. I don't think it's I think it's

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completely fair to criticize this. They're
clearly designed to manipulate. They use emotional

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emotional manipulative techniques, emotional manipulation techniques. There's just no way to get around

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it. They manipulate the people.
So you get people crying, Oh,

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God's spirit moved. It was powerful, it was an outpouring. There was

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transformation. Oh they and then the
next thing, you know, everybody is

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just the same people they were,
you know, So then we got to

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wait six months to the next revival
service. So is it a work of

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God or is it a work of
man. If it's a work of God,

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you can't schedule it. And if
it's a work of God, shouldn't

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a work of God lasts longer than
three months. I've got questions, So

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are you ready the June seventh,
not July? Sort of the Lord newspaper.

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I think the reason I'm mixing up
June and July is I have a

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doctor's appartment that I thought was tomorrow
June the twenty eighth, and I called

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because I was just going to cancel
it and reschedule, and they're like,

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no, it's July. The twenty
eighth. So I think that's why I'm

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mixing up June and July, because
I obviously mixed it up for my doctor's

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appointment. So are you ready?
Here we go. I don't know where

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this is going to go. I
really don't. I'm a little nervous,

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all right. That the Holy Spirit
and Revival from the sort of the Lord

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Newspaper of June the seventh, twenty
twenty four, by doctor Lee Roberson,

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Doctor Lee Roberson. The article begins
with this, and when they had prayed,

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the place was shaken where they were
assembled together, and they were all

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filled with the Holy Ghost, and
they spake the word of God with boldness.

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Acts Chapter four, Verse thirty one. Acts Chapter four, Verse thirty

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one. Well, I'm gonna open
up my Bible to Act four thirty one,

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and I'm going to read exactly what
happened here. I'm gonna read it

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from the New King James. And
when they had prayed, the place where

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they were assembled together was shaken,
and they were all filled with the Holy

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Spirit, and they spoke with the
Word of God with boldness. Now that's

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Acts four thirty one. I'm not
saying this article is going to do so,

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but I'm already a little concerned that
that's the verse that starts this article,

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because many pastors will preach Acts four
thirty one there, and then we'll

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talk, and then they will take
this place was shaken. They will make

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that somewhat metaphorical. Right, Well, you know, maybe it was a

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literal shaken at that time, but
now it'll be a it'll be a shaking

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that occurs in a metaphorical or allegorical
way. All right, we'll already have

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problems with that. So is it
literal? Is it not literal? Okay,

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But then it'll say, hey,
we're gonna have a revival, and

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the Holy Spirit's gonna fall, and
we're all gonna leave here now filled with

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the Holy Spirit, and we're gonna
speak the Word of God with boldness.

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And they then make this not just
descriptive, but they make it prescriptive.

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But here's the only problem when you
make Acts four thirty one prescriptive Verse thirty

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two. Now, the multitude of
those who believed were all of one heart

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and one soul. Neither did anyone
say that any of the things he possessed

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was his own, but they all
had things in common. Now, wait,

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a minute. If you want to
make Acts four thirty one prescriptive and

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not descriptive, you can't skip the
next part. The next part is everyone's

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like, I don't own anything.
We have everything in common. So then

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then if this is prescriptive, then
what would happen is you're the building shakes.

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Everyone is filled with the Holy spirit, you speak the word of God

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with boldness, But everyone basically gives
up private ownership of anything. Why is

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that never Why has that never talked
about? Why is only the first part

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talked about? Now? Wait can
continue? And with great power, the

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apostles gave witness to the resurrection of
the Lord Jesus, and great grace was

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upon them all. Nor was there
anyone among who lacked, For all who

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all who were possessors of lands or
houses, sold them and brought the proceeds

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of the things that were sold and
laid them at the apostles feed, and

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they distributed to each as as one
had need. They sold all of their

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possessions, They sold all of their
property. So if you're gonna make Acts

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four thirty one prescriptive in any way
shape or form versus descriptive, well,

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then guess what everyone's gonna sell everything. So if the Holy Spirit falls,

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well, then everyone's going to sell
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let's let's make that work. Oh
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other part applies, but that part
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know what he's gonna do with it, but that makes me just wanted you

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to see the context of the verse
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are you ready? Right? A
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newspaper like this in your own hands, and your kids would be like,

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what is that you say? It's
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a creature. Okay, all right, but no, y'all didn't get a

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subscription. I blame everyone. Okay, here we go. The Bible points

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out the fact of the trinity,
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At the baptism of Jesus, we
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the Spirit of God descended upon him, and a voice spoke from heaven.

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This is my beloved son, and
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seventeen. When Jesus gave the great
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Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of

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the Father, and of the Son
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nineteen. All Christians know about God
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our Father, which aret in heaven
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the Son, They know about the
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of a virgin, lived among men, died on the cross, arose from

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the dead, and ascended on high. But when we come to the Holy

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Spirit, many people hesitate. They
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so little they feel embarrassed. All
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right there. I could give you
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to write a paragraph down to whether
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most Christians? I think the word
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Would you state or would you agree
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words they know nothing of the Holy
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the Holy Spirit they feel embarrassed.
I don't know about that. I don't

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know. I think there may be
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many claims are made about the Holy
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Christians take the claims that are made
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reality of their life, and the
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my very lengthy introduction about the double
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you've got the Holy Spirit, You've
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And I think the average Christian is
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So then do I am I not
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you know, I'm not gonna worry
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I don't know. Well, at
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it's a newspaper, it says continued
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I'm going to skip over here to
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fold this over so I can just
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The Holy Spirit and Revival continued from
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ready? I feel like we're like
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talking about the newspaper, wasn't it
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I think there was a Tom Hanks
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that? Tom Hanks movie where he
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off historical fact, and I think
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Texas, or somewhere not far from
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who knew how to read. They
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people would come into a building,
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news, the news to the people. I may say something about it,

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and then the people would then offer, like put some money there because they

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could they didn't know how to read, right, And there were I think

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they were called news reading. I'm
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an expertise on it, so I
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based off historical fact. But I
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there were called news readers. So
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feel like that's what I'm doing,
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who were more entertaining, more dramatic, did better because it was almost a

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form of not only being informed,
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All right, But and then that
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all right, I digress. Here
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First know about him, Jesus gave
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said. So the first thing we
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that Jesus gave promise of the Holy
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fourteen sixteen. And I will pray
the Father, and he shall give you

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another comforter, that he may abide
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He comes to dwell in our heart
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present now right here we go.
Oh, I see now, I'm already

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gonna lose my mind. I'm just
I'm I don't. I don't fit in

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in Christianity, ladies and gentlemen.
I just don't. I know. The

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average Christian would read this article and
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running into a problem. And I'm
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don't do anything with it at this
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you would be like, there's no
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know, prescriptive or anyway. Okay, So then it says, all right,

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most are many Christians don't know much
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thing we need to know is that
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The quote John fourteen sixteen. Okay, we could go look at the

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context of John fourteen sixteen and say, does all of that is all that

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applicable to us? Is that just
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But then immediately it says this our
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forget the original recipients of the promise
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inserted into the conversation and it says, tells us that the Holy Spirit abides

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with us. Please note us us, And now it's all bit about us.

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But look what happens. He comes
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believe in Christ. He is present
to teach us all things and bring all

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things to your remembrance. Whatsoever I
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that is a categorical lie. All
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us. And they quote John fourteen. Let's go to John fourteen. See,

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we're not even gonna be able to
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because there's already so much falsehood here, But we can't even get anywhere,

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right, So he says verse twenty
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speaking to his disciples here, right, He's clearly speaking to his disciples.

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And look what he says verse twenty
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have I spoken to you while being
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to his disciples. Right, clearly, when I was present with you,

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he's talking to his disciples. How
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I will never understand. Like the
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take a passage of scripture that clearly
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it never never fails to just amaze
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Here we go. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the

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Father will sin in my name,
he will teach you all things. Stop

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there now. If the Holy Spirit
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gentlemen, there would be absolute unity
in Christianity. How many times? Look,

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what are the reasons I've done the
sermon's two point oh absermon challenge this

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year not only is for you to
try to make use of all the resources

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available to you. But the more
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are one particular topic, you too, will be confronted with the fact nobody

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can't agree on literally anything. We
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making a claim about Itom and the
Itedomites that was categorically false. It was

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wrong. We had a pastor claim
that Jehosaphat called in Asaf Asaph was dead,

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categorically false. Well, if the
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then why are you getting so many
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cannot stress to you what would be
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If your pastor has the Holy Spirit
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could never challenge or question. And
if you're challenging and questioning what your pastor

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says, then you cannot believe the
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you believe the Holy Spirit is teaching
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you, then how do you come
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maddening. Two thousand years of church
history, nobody agrees on anything. Thousands

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of denominations, all kinds of commentaries
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that contradict other sermons. Yet we
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of us, and we read it
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helper, the Holy Spirit, whom
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he will teach you all things,
ladies and gentlemen. That is for the

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disciples, that is for the authors
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would teach them all things because they
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the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that
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infoulable in errant that if that applies
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everything you say, or everything you
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Holy Spirit. You destroy the entire
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You would be operating the same way
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right, I'm going to write down
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I write is coming from the Holy
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a break. Oh, but it
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next part part but the whole.
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whom the Father will send in my
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and bring to remembrance all things that
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That is how the Gospels come about. God brought to remembrance all the

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things that Jesus said. That has
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just stop what you're doing right now. Stop what you're doing right now.

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Okay, stop what you're doing right
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give me the Summon on the Mountain. Go recite it perfectly. Those are

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things Jesus said. Does he bring
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what seminary, Bible college, and
Bible institute would have been a breeze.

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I would have a study for one
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it. So that means he's not
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not for you. It was for
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claiming this for you. It's literally
insanity. All right. So this article

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on revival is already making me need
revival, all right. He's making me

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need a liquor stores. What is
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let's continue, all right, And
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there's no explanation. It just dogmatically
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and he's bringing all things to your
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fourteen twenty six. There's no explanation, nothing, it's just dogmatically asserted and

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immediately applied to you. That is
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and it's a complete denial of reality. You can stand in the pulpit

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and just ask the people, ask
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get it right. Why not because
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See. Now this is where I
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So the first thing is we should
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the Holy Spirit. Secondly that they
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but I'm not going to get into
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or be conscious of him. The
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the Holy Spirit that Jesus gave the
promise. The second we need to be

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conscious of the Holy Spirit. He
and dwells you He is with you always.

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The Holy Spirit abides in your heart. Now this means that we must

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not grieve him by wrong doing.
Okay, this one I may be able

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to wrap my mind around a little
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and grieve not the Holy Spirit of
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the day of redemption. Let all
bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor evil

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speaking be put away from you.
With all malice. Be ye kind,

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kind one to another, tenderhearted,
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for Christ's sake, hath forgiven you. Now what A lot of times people

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say, grieve not the Holy Spirit. That's all they take from that article,

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and they say, you will grieve
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to rock and roll, you will
grieve the Holy Spirit. If you're watching

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a rated R movie, you will
grieve the Holy Spirit. If you're in

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a swimming pool with someone of the
opposite sex, you will grieve the Holy

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Spirit. If your skirt is too
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If you read Harry Potter, you
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know that kind of thing. But
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would grieve the Holy spirit, bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor evil speaking

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malice, and it would also grieve
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to another, tenderhearted, for giving
one another. He's been a christ Christ's

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sake, hath forgiven you. Well, there's a lot of things there that

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I think we've all then grieved the
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but then immediately it says certain acts
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immediately it ignores those things that are
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Look, ladies and gentlemen, do
you do you love people the way you're

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supposed to, You forgive people the
way you're supposed to. You're already grieving

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the Holy Spirit. I think we're
in a perpetual state of forgiving or grieving

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the Holy Spirit. I think there's
some sense with there were always grieving the

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Holy Spirit to some level. But
they immediately jump to acts and it says,

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let the Holy Spirit work through you, be a clear channel for him.

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All Christians need the feeling of the
Holy Spirit. So then, okay,

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we need to we need to allow
How does it say we have to

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let the Holy Spirit work? We
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Now again, if the Holy Spirit
is the third person of the Trinity,

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then the Holy Spirit is well God
right, divine, one God, three

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distinct persons coequal. Now if he's
co equal, meaning and it's divine.

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If the Holy Spirit is divine,
then the Holy Spirit has all of the

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attributes of God, which would be
omnipotence. How can I Why does the

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Holy Spirit need to let me do
anything? Why can't the Holy Spirit just

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do it? Why does the Holy
Why can I, who who very much

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is not omnipotent, can stop the
Holy Spirit and his tracks. The Holy

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Spirit is like I would like to
work in that person. I would like

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to make that person holy, but
he keeps stopping me. Oh, I'm

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trying so hard that that whole image
just seems ridiculous to Menaxa says, be

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not drunk with wine, we're in
his excess, but be filled with the

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Spirit. The fullness of the Spirit
cannot be accomplished unless there is an emptiness

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of self and a willingness for him
to take over and fill us. So

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see, the Holy Spirit is very
much restricted by you and me. I

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cannot be filled with the Spirit unless
I I look, I have to do

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this. I have to empty myself
of self. So I so I have

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to want the Holy Spirit to fill
me, then I have to empty myself

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and for it to occur, and
then I have to have a willingness for

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him to take over. So why
is the Holy Spirit so weak that he

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is stopped by the sinful will of
man. God's like, I'm gonna,

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I'm gonna, I'm gonna have the
Holy Spirit move into these people. But

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the Holy Spirit is going to be
limited and what he can and can't do,

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because the people will ultimately determine what
he can or cannot do. Now,

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if someone then empties themselves of self
and are willing for the Holy Spirit

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to take over, then please tell
me then why the Holy Spirit can't get

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a person who's emptied themselves of self
and are willing to absolute perfection. So

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then you're gonna tell me, well, you're not really willing. No,

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I'm really willing. I want the
Holy Spirit to make me perfect today.

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But there's no attempt to answer any
of these questions. Now, when we

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are filled with the Holy Spirit,
we will bear the fruit of the Spirit.

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But the fruit of the Spirit is
love, joy, peace, long

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suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance Against such there is

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no law, and they that are
christ have crucified the flesh with the effects

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and lust. If we live in
the spirit, let us also walk in

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the spirit. Let us not be
desirous of vainglory, provoking one another,

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envying one another. So the idea
is, if I will be filled with

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the spirit, then I will produce
all this fruit. Well, then when

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that means I'm going to produce all
this fruit perfectly? Or is it going

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to be imperfect? And if it's
imperfect, why isn't the Holy Spirit producing

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perfect Remember we talked about all of
this before. Again, there's no attempt

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to answer any question here none.
These are just all dogmatically asserted without any

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explanation of any of the difficulties these
concepts should bring to mind to any reasonable

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person hearing it. With this,
let me give you the outline for my

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message, all right, So that
was all their introductory material, All of

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those dogmatic assertions. Some of those
dogmatic assertions are just dogmatically fraudulent and false.

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Right about the Holy Spirit teaching us
and reminding us of everything he had

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said, It's just we know that
doesn't work that way, all right.

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Number one, the Holy Spirit and
Christian living. The Word are the Word.

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The Word of God exhorts us to
live as Christian adults. We are

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not to be baby Christians. To
bear the name of baby Christian is to

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dishonor the Lord. The sorry lives
of Christians are ever before us. All

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right. So we're not to be
baby Christians. We're not to be We're

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to be adult Christians, all right. Someone said it's an unhappy occupation to

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try to act like a Christian when
you are not. Okay, don't be

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a baby Christian, don't be a
fake Christian. Okay. The message,

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this message, this is again.
I'm just going from paragraph to paragraph through

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this article. This message concerns the
Holy Spirit and revival. Revival cannot come

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to a loss soul. The man
without Christ needs salvation, but revival can

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only come to the Christian. Okay, I got no problem with that.

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Revival. Revival comes to a Christian
because you're reviving something, You're reviving something.

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A lot of times revival is seen
as conversion of lost people. But

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this one is going I think in
some ways the idea of a revival.

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Now, I guess you could.
I think I can agree with this.

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I mean maybe we could kind of
argue one way or the other. But

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okay, the revival is primarily for
the Christian. Now they just are dogmatic,

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But the man without Christ needs salvation. Revival comes only to the Christian.

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Then, what do we mean by
the Holy Spirit and revival? We

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mean a great turning to Christ on
the part of Christians. We mean the

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separation of the Christian from the world
and the dedication of the Christian to the

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holy business of serving Christ. I
think that's a a typical way many understand

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revival. A right revival happens,
and then Christians become more committed, They

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have more zeal, They separate themselves
from sin, they feel convicted, they

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do they put away their sin,
and they enter into a new commitment to

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Christ. All right, I got
no problem with that next paragraph. A

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spirit filled life is a God honoring
cross Christ magnified. When we read that

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again, a spirit filled life is
a God honoring Christ magnifying spirit led life.

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For such a life, rivers of
living water will flow from such a

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life. Sweet manifestations of Christian character
will come. The early Christians were separated

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servants of God. They were saints
who practiced purity and all matters of life.

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They adorned the Gospel by their conduct. So the idea, if your

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spirit filled, dun dun du dum, you're basically now I don't say perfect

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there, but if you're coming very
close to describing someone, that's pretty close

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to perfect. So if your spirit
filled, your life will be God honoring,

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your life will be christ magnifying.
Your life will be a life where

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rivers of living water will flow from
such a life. Sweet manifestations of Christian

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character will come and will be like
the early Christians, where our lives will

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be separated. We will become separated
servants of God. We will be saints

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who practice purity and every single area
of life. Ladies and gentlemen, that

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all sounds like you're going to be
basically perfect. So the key is if

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I can get to spirit filled,
then I get to basic perfection. So

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is the thing that I guess what
they're saying is I will be revived because

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I'll be filled with the spirit,
and then we'll live lives pretty close to

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perfection. Now you would argue,
then, why if all that takes is

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to be spirit filled, then why
wouldn't God just then fill every Christian with

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this spirit and then all the problems
would be over and we would all be

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perfect. Now I've reached the end
of this page and it says continued on

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page seventeen, So I flip it
over and here it is. So Number

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one in his message the Holy Spirit
and Christian living. So his hypotheses is

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if you're filled with the spirit,
basically you're perfect. Number two. Actually,

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I'm just going to stop right there. I'm just going to stop right

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there. I'm going to put forth
some questions. I'm going to put forth

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some questions, all right? Question
number one? Does God fill you with

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his spirit? But the spirit is
limited by what you will or will not

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allow him to do? Does God
feel every christ So let me take state

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it this way. Does God fill
every Christian with the Holy Spirit? But

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the Holy Spirit then is limited by
what you allow him to do or not

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do. Now, if you stop
allowing him, are you no longer filled

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with the spirit? Are you filled
with the spirit once? Are you filled

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multiple times? Can you be filled
with it? And then you lose part

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of it? Because how can you
be filled with the person? The Holy

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Spirit is a person, He's not
a liquid. So when we say filled,

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like do it, I mean I
get more of But the idea does

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God fill every Christian with the Holy
Spirit? But somehow he's limited on what

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you let him. Do you control? Does the Spirit control you? Or

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do you control the spirit? Who
wins that war? All right? So

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number one, do you do we
limit the work of the Spirit in our

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life? Or does the Spirit control
the situation? Who's in control? Number

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two? Is the feeling a one
time thing? And if we if it's

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if it's more than a one time
thing, how do we lose it?

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And how do we measure it?
So? Does God fill us with the

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Holy Spirit? And are we controlling
it? Or stuff Spirit control us?

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And two how do we understand this
filling concept? Is it a one time

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thing? Does it happen over and
over and over? How do we get

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more of it? How do we
lose it? Because that seems to destroy

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the idea of the Holy Spirit being
a person. It turns him almost into

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like a liquid in which we we
got to get more of. Like,

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I don't get it, I like, how do you understand that in any

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way, shape or form? And
do you believe number three that if you

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simply will surrender everything to the Holy
Spirit, you'll basically be perfect? Is

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that? Is that all that is
required for you to basically be perfect?

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It's just to surrender to the Holy
Spirit. Is that the way it works?

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Do we control the Holy Spirit or
does the Holy Spirit control the situation?

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Are we filled more than once?
And how do we how do we

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lose it? How do we get
it back? Like? How does that

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all work? And and then is
all that is required? Number three?

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Is all that is required? Is
it simply that? Well, if I

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surrender to the Holy Spirit, then
I'm basically perfect. Well, and if

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I'm filled with the Holy Spirit,
I'm basically perfect. And God fills me

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with the Holy Spirit. Well,
then, oh, the whole thing is

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so confusing now, it doesn't really
get it much into revival here. What

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it seems to be is that revival
is when the whole when Christians become filled

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with the Holy Spirit, and then
we basically become perfect. But it sounds

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like then we can quickly lose it. But how can we lose it?

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If the filling of the Holy Spirit
makes us basically perfect? How could we

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ever lose it? Since we'd be
maintaining our perfection, right, what would

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be the thing that would come in
and then stop the perfection from happening,

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or I need to be filled again. What if I'm already filled with the

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spirit, the Spirit would be in
control, So then can I retake control

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instantaneously? I don't understand it at
all. The whole thing is maddening,

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but there we have it now.
For those who may have just tuned in,

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I'll upload this in about five minutes
so you can go back and listen

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to all of this. We have
been discussing the subject of the Holy Spirit

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and revival, utilizing an article from
the June seventh, twenty four issue of

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the Sort of the Lord newspaper,
and we have found well plenty to be

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very frustrated by. I know that
most Christians will probably agree with that their

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perspective. I'm putting forth a very
much a contrary perspective, and then you

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can decide which one you agree with. You can email me at news i

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ata Yahoo dot com. That's news
Com. I wanted to keep going,

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but we're at forty five minutes and
there's just so much to consider, and

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that just in the point we looked
at, I don't want to go any

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further, so I'll stop there.
Love to get your thoughts and your perspective.

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Yeah, those very important questions.
I gave you very important questions.

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I want you to consider those questions, Okay. I want you to consider

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them and think about them and we'll
discuss them. Well, I don't know

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if we'll discuss them next time.
It depends on what emails I get.

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You can email me news dot com. Thank you for listening. Everyone,

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have a great day and this will
be uploaded in the next five to ten

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minutes. Thanks for listening. God
bless