July 9, 2024
Psalm 83: I Was Wrong
A look at how I classified Psalm 83 as the wrong type of Psalm
A look at how I classified Psalm 83 as the wrong type of Psalm
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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast
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making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Tuesday, July the ninth,
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twenty twenty four. It is currently
two thirty five pm Central Time,
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and I am coming to you live
from the Theology Central studio located right here
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in Abilene, Texas. Now,
if I take all of my schooling that
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I have accomplished in the realm of
theology and the realm of the Bible,
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if I take all of that,
my associate degrees and religious education and biblical
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studies, and I don't know if
I have one. I'd have to look
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at all my diplomas and all my
degrees, Bachelors in theology, Biblical studies.
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I think, maybe also a bachelor's
and religious education, Masters and theology
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Biblical study, maybe one in religious
education as well. If I take all
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of my degrees and diplomas and everything, all my schooling, all of my
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education in those areas, those specific
areas of biblical studies, religious education,
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and theological studies, if I take
all of them combine, do you know
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what the number one lesson I have
learned from all of that? What do
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you think the number one lesson you
take all my diplomas, all my degrees.
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It doesn't matter if it was a
Bible college, a Bible institute,
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or a seminary, doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter if it was a big school,
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small school, if it was kind
of a church type school for like
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a Bible institute, it doesn't matter. The number one lesson I have gained
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from all of that education, That
number one lesson would be what do you
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think? Come on, what do
you think? It would be all of
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my diplomas, all of my degrees. The number one lesson I can take
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from all of them, The number
one lesson I can take from all of
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them is this. You have to
be willing to acknowledge and admit to yourself
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and to others that you were wrong. You have to be able to admit
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it. You have to be able
to acknowledge it. You have to be
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able to recognize it. You have
to be able to see it. You
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have to be able to go.
It doesn't matter how many degrees that have.
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It doesn't matter how many times I've
studied this text, doesn't matter how
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many times I've written papers on this
side. I have to be able to
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acknowledge and admit that I am wrong. I put it this way. If
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you can't, if you don't reach
that point, there's no point in pursuing
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more education. There's no point.
Education is the process of you realizing how
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wrong you are. That's what education
is. Education is the process of learning
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how much you don't know. Education
is the process of realizing how wrong you
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have been. Education is the process
of realizing how ignorant you really are.
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That's what education is all about.
It's not to build your ego. It's
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not to make you feel more important. It's really to break you down and
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to demonstrate you thought you knew something, See how much you don't know.
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You thought you had the right answer, See how wrong you really were.
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That's really the goal. And I
think it's even more important in theological education.
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I think in theological education it's an
absolute essential that you are constantly confronted
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with the fact that you have been
wrong, you did not know the answer.
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A lot of times many It really
happens a lot in seminary and Bible
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college. The people come out arrogant, full of themselves, conceded, thinking
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that they know everything, and they
speak down to everyone else. And it
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drives me crazy. That's something went
wrong in your educational process. You should
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walk out going, WHOA, you
know what? I don't know very much.
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In fact, there's a lot I
need to know. And that's just
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spent four years, eight years,
depending on how many degrees and diplomas you
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were pursuing. You want to come
out of it going you know what,
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you know what I learned, how
much I don't know? So I'm going
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to walk in humility, not in
arrogance. That's how it should work.
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And if you think about it,
that really parallels and it really is a
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good picture of the Christian life.
Hey, whether you like to admit it
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or not, every time you open
your Bible, you know what, you're
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confronted with how wrong you are,
how sinful. You are confronted with your
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sin. You're confronted with your failure. You're confronted with how wrong you are.
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Now, I know we have a
tendency to go to the Bible thinking,
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wow, it's amazing God always agrees
with me. But it's not the
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case. You should be constantly confronted
with hmm, you know I used to
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think this, Maybe I was wrong. If you can't approach the Bible and
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a teachable spirit with humility being able
to acknowledge that you are wrong. That's
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why I constantly say you're past understanding
is of no present value. Whenever you
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open the Bible today, whatever you
thought yesterday, you've got to be willing
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to change and admit that maybe you
were wrong. It's never fun. But
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if you don't like admitting you were
wrong, Christianity is not for you.
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Because every day open the Bible,
I realize I'm a sinner. Oh,
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I'm a sinner. I'm a sinner. Oh. I may be able to
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clean up the outside, really really
really really good. Right. I may
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be able to clean out the outside
so that no one can make any accusation,
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no one can accuse me of anything. But does that really make me
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better? No? Because inside I'm
nothing but filthy, rotten flesh and bone,
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And spiritually speaking, I'm I'm I'm
full of decay and corruption inside.
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Oh I may clean up the outside, but inside I'm still a mess.
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So on one hand, from a
human perspective, yes, I cleaned up
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the outside. Everyone is happy,
no accusations, no one hurt. Great.
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Inside I'm like I'm a piece of
total trash. I'm a dumpster fire.
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So but I've got to be willing
to admit that. Well. I
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say all of that one because I
want you to gain a practical lesson from
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what you are about to hear.
Because ladies and gentlemen, I have turned
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on the microphone this afternoon to tell
everyone I know this is going to come
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as a shock. I was wrong
about Psalm eighty three. I got it
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completely wrong, and I'm very frustrated
with myself. Look, sometimes I am
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wrong because of the way I teach. I like it to be very organic
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and like we're working through it together
almost in real time. So that's that's
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absolutely that's a guarantee that I'm gonna
make mistakes when I'm working through it in
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real time with you live on the
air, or maybe sometimes I'm working through
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it in real time with the people
at you know, at at a church
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or at the church and Victory and
Tuschool and ovalo. I that's going to
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happen. I'm gonna misspeak, I'm
gonna say, because I'm doing it in
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real time. I like doing it
in real time because it allows everyone to
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be a part of the process.
But it does make it sometimes a little
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there's a chance I'm going to be
wrong, but that's okay because we're working
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through it in real time. Sometimes
I can be wrong, but it's kind
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of much more. It's not that
I'm really wrong. It's more of a
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I hate to say, a ploy. It's kind of a part of the
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process. Sometimes I like to throw
out an idea knowing I don't necessarily agree
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with the idea because I'm doing it
to say, hey, what about this,
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Like throwing it out as a hypothesis
even though I know I'm going to
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be going in a different direction to
get everyone else to work on it and
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see if we can come to a
different conclusion. Sometimes it's much more like,
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hey, I could this be the
right way? When I know it's
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not the right way. In this
particular case, I'm very frustrated because I
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thought I was right, Like this
is one that I had researched, I
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had notes copied down. In fact, I read directly from other sources.
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And I think now that I can
say that I was wrong. And I
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think what happened is I found a
source that confirmed what I was thinking,
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and instead of questioning the source or
doing extra work, it fit my narrative
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that I went along with it.
But lo and behold, I now have
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to admit that I was wrong.
So are you ready? Okay, all
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of you remember in some eighty three
how this all started. Right where we're
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doing the sermons two point oh app
sermon challenge. All of us are supposed
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to be listening to random sermons every
single day, right this week, you're
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be listening to random live webcast.
Okay, well you're listening to one now,
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so I guess you're you're accomplishing that. Okay, all right, so
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we're supposed to be listening to others
than me, but okay, you get
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the idea. So I doubt on
that particular week, we weren't doing live
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webcast. We were just doing random
sermons. So I downloaded a bunch of
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sermons on my iPad because I was
going to be doing a lot of driving
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around, and I had one that
said the Coming Middle East War, and
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I'm like, ooh, this could
be good. Fits perfectly with my series
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on eschatology. The only problem is
when I had play, I saw the
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entire title p eighty three the Coming
Middle East War, and then I was
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completely con perplexed, confused, confounded, because I was like, what is
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Psalm eighty three is? Not,
well, this has nothing to do with
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the coming Middle East war? Where
where is this coming from? So I
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started listening to that series and we
reviewed messages from that series, and as
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we've reviewed messages from that series,
I'm just going to be honest. At
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times, I've grown very frustrated with
the series. I have grown very irritated
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with this series. I felt that
there's things been said in the series that
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are just absolutely factually not true,
just absolutely and error. In fact,
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I've looked up some of those things
in real time to fact check, and
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I'm like, this is just not
accurate. Where is this coming from?
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Right? So I've been very frustrated. Then we listen to a message where
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it connected saw many three to second
Chronicles twenty saying that Jehosaphat called in Asaf.
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Well that's impossible, Asaff was dead. So once again, just completely
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factually wrong. So I get frustrated, and I got really frustrated. But
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even though I've been frustrated, one
of the things I try to do is,
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no matter how much I may disagree
with a minister or a ministry,
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I always try my best to get
as much out of their teaching as I
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can, And no matter how much
I disagree, always be willing, just
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like that, to change my mind, to admit that I was wrong,
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to admit that my understanding hasn't been
in crect just like that, because it
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doesn't matter they I may disagree with
them nine hundred percent doesn't mean that I'm
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always right. I've always got to
be willing to change my mind. Well
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that that original series is now up
to like part twenty six, twenty seven,
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twenty eight, and maybe up to
part twenty eight. Now let me
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look here. It's just they keep
adding and adding and adding. I think
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I'm gonna click here. I'm gonna
click if I can get it to work.
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It is currently at twenty eight parts, twenty eight parts. Now the
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series at times is maddening because I
don't even know what they're talking about.
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It doesn't have anything to do with
saw eighty three. Well, early this
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morning, I don't know, four
am, five am. My neighbor across
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the street. I don't know what
they're working on. There's some project putting
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up a fence. I don't know. There was sawing and hammering and drills
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and and then they started mowing the
yard. It was it was like by
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five thirty am. I was like, okay, I can't. I can't
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slit, and I don't care.
I'm not one of those to complain.
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I want my neighbors to make as
much noise as they possibly can, twenty
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four hours a day. I'm that's
the way I am as a neighbor.
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Hey, have a party, blair
your music, break things, shoot things,
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be as loud as you want,
because then you can never complain about
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how loud I am. Right,
okay, So it's a good thing.
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So I don't care that they were
loud, but it woke me up,
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and so I'm like, okay,
Well now that I'm wait, I gotta
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make good use of this time,
right, I gotta make good use of
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this time? So what did I
do? I grabbed my iPad and I
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looked for a live webcast. Obviously
there were none, and so I looked
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at my feed on the sermon's two
point oh app and I'm like, what
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some eighty three part twenty eight.
You gotta be kidding me. I'm like,
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okay, so do I listen to
that one? Well? I'm like,
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well, I'm a couple behind.
Let me go to part twenty five.
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So I went to part twenty five. And then he mentioned something and
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immediately I thought, no, no, no, no, you're wrong.
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But see, now here's the thing. I got no problem saying you're wrong.
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But what I've always tried to do. And I'm not saying I always
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do this right, but I've always
tried you're wrong, But I'm going to
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go now do a couple of hours
of research to either prove that you are
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indeed wrong or to possibly correct myself. Because what is the number one lesson
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I've learned from all the Bible colleges, all the seminaries, all the degrees
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I have religious education, theological studies, biblical studies, everything that I've done,
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The one lesson is that you've got
to be willing to admit that you're
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wrong. You've got to so I
always have to check myself. So I
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was convinced that I was in the
right, so I was going to go
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research to prove Wait, this person
is wrong, right, I'm just gonna
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There was almost a little bit of
arrogance to it. I see, I
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didn't quite learn my lesson from all
of that schooling. I should have went,
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oh, no, I could be
wrong, let me go check,
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but I kind of went to check
to go. I'm gonna show that this
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guy has made another absolute horrible mistake, and I come to find out that
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I'm the one who made the mistake. Are you ready to hear this?
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We're gonna review. We're gonna start
from the beginning, and we're gonna review
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this and see if you can find
my mistake. Do you think you can
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find it? Do you think you
can? Whoever can identify my mistake?
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First, you win absolutely nothing.
And if you tell me that I was
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wrong, then I will never speak
to you again. Okay, maybe maybe
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that's maybe that's not quite I'm not
quite showing the humility now. But let's
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see if you can find out where
I was wrong? Are you ready?
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Here we go. Thy word is
a lamp onto my feet and a light
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onto my path. This is Gary
Neron, welcoming you to the Lamp and
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Light Broadcast, coming to you from
the studios of Central Baptist Church in beautiful
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o' Calla, Florida. Lamp and
Light is a ministry taking a Book of
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the Bible, verse by verse,
teaching as it is to men as they
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are, without compromise or apology,
speaking the truth and love. And our
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purpose is to give the lamp and
light to all. Yesterday in our study
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of Psalm eighty three, we were
talking about some of the weapons that the
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enemies of Israel have. Let's continue
with that discussion today. Now here is
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our teacher and pastor, doctor Andy
Bloom again. I just have to keep
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saying this. I'm always impressed with
their intros. Their intros are so good.
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I love it. I love everything
about their intro is perfect. They
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got I wish I had that such. I wish my intro was that good.
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Okay, I don't know if I
would go with the same kind of
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vibe, but I like there it
because I don't know if that vibe would
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fit me. That vibe really wouldn't
fit me, but it fits what they're
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trying to do. Very well done. Love it, Love the production,
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love it all. But wait,
they're gonna be talking about the weapons that
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the enemies of Israel has. Okay, wait, wait, what is happening
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here with Saw eighty three? Okay? See, this is where some of
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my frustration with this series has gotten
because so many times I'm like, I
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just don't understand what this has to
do with Saw eighty three, and I
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have been because of this series,
though I have worked so hard to try
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to give people something that I think
can be applicable to what's going on in
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Saw eighty three. That's what we've
been doing hour after hour. So I
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this series has definitely driven me to
try to do something worthwhile with sau Mady
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three. But whenever I go back
to how they're handling, I'm just sometimes
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baffled. So okay, so when
you see the enemies that are we going
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to look about their spiritual weapons?
Are we going to get into some discussion
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about physical Okay, let's see what
we can learn here just for even associating
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with Christ that name, even though
they may not be doctly on the same
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place that we are, they're getting
put to death. And that's again I'm
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going back to two thousand and I'm
telling you I did this series back in
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twenty ten a lot of research,
I mean hours upon hours upon hours of
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research to get here. Well,
we find out that these people Abspring,
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what did they do? They break
their treaties, they break their promises.
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They broken treaties and promises with Israel, and the numbers are staggering. Now
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this is where like wait, the
Arab Spring, how is Saw eighty three
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has nothing to do with the Arab
Spring, Like where is this coming from?
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Like say, this is what's so
confusing to me. It's like,
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wait, saw eighty three the Arab
Spring? We would we would now back
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during the Arab Spring. Many of
you who listen today won't will not know
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this. I was broadcasting almost around
the clock during the Arab Spring, talking
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about all of the situation and who
was doing what and what was happening and
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what was going on. And that's
basically when I'd fallen into it, basically
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doing a news podcast, even though
that was never my intentil well, what
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wasn't even called a podcasting at that
time. I think I was just doing
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broadcasting on the Arab Spring, hour
after hour hour. I mean it was
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it was crazy. I never want
to go back to the way that whole
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thing went down. So I know
a little bit about it, but I
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never went like, saw eighty three
the Arab How is the Arab Spring?
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Saw eighty three? I just don't
know. I just don't know. But
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I see where he goes against Israel. Hesbe Law has a ten thousand man
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brigade with forty thousand missiles. Some
of those missiles have long range capacity.
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What does some eighty three you have
to do with HESBLA and their army and
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the number of missiles that they possess. See this is where I just like
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And so when I started listening,
Look, I'm just gonna be fully transparent.
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I'm gonna be fully transparent here.
Okay. At this point, I
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was just getting irritated. I'm like, why why what I and the part
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of me is like, why you
even keep why are you even listening?
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You disagree with their approach to the
text, You've been frustrated. Now what
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you're gonna do is you're gonna start
fact checking all of this, and then
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you're gonna be tempted to turn on
the microphone to go see they got this
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wrong. They got this wrong,
they got this wrong. And so immediately
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I was like, you know,
you're being kind of an arrogant jerk,
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right, how about you just shut
up and listen and see if there's something
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you can learn and even if you
disagree with their approach, see what you
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can gain from it. But I'm
telling you, at first I had a
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very negative attitude, and then I
had to tell myself. I think I
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even stopped it a couple of times
and said I'm gonna go listen to something
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else. But then I came back. I think I came back multiple times
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because I started getting frustrated realizing I
was having a bad attitude. And there's
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no justification for having a bad attitude, but I just was having a bad
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attitude and not being very godly.
Okay, I know that's a shock,
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but I wasn't being very godly.
Now, maybe again, nobody would have
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to know that so I could,
I could turn on the microphone and go
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I was listening this morning, and
I was just like, God, show
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me something important in this text,
and I saw something so I could make
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myself sound like I was all godly
and spiritual. But I was an arrogant,
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condescending jerk thinking I was just gonna
look up all of this information to
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try to prove someone wrong and then
stop doing that. Just try to listen.
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Not because God spoke to me,
just because I was having my own
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internal battle with my own depravity and
well, so at this point, at
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this point, what you're listening to
now, I was just getting irritated and
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frustrated with with the capability of carrying
heavy payloads along with chemical and biological warheads
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which they seem to have. Syria
now again, I'm talking twenty ten,
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twenty eleven had a five hundred thousand
man army with the latest equipment of the
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day that was supplied to them,
how by Russia. And if you'll look
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at the early war of Russia down
against Israel of the Tribulation, you'll see
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that Russia seems to be going through
Syria on that trip. Again this morning,
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I just wanted to scream, what
does this have to do with Saw
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eighty three? Has nothing to do
with Saumady three? How are you gonna
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connect this to Saw eighty three?
Saw eighty three. It's not about some
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future event. It's describing what was
happening at the time. I've only,
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you know, stated that seventy five
thousand times, and I think I've been
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able to demonstrate that textually and everything. Hey, saw eighty three, they
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are describing what is happening at that
time. All right, So at this
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point, I'm just being honest with
you. I'm just getting more frustrated.
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I'm just getting more frustrated. I'm
just getting more frustrated. Let's see if
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you can hear when, if you
can hear when I'm about to get confronted
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with how utterly foolish and wrong I
was. It is also said that Hamas
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has above ten thousand missiles and it's
believed that the Egyptian military, And again
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it says it is believed and this
comes from military people and others undercovering all
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that, but nothing that is printed
as far as saying this is the actual
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legal proof. Now they may have
it, but some things that are documented
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are hidden. Now all of that's
just bizarre. They may have it,
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they may not. There's nothing actually
documented, but some things are documented are
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hidden. So then where did you
get your information from? And only that
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supposedly he's quoting from information from twenty
ten, it's twenty twenty four. So,
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like the whole thing is just bizarre
to me, Like, so I
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got this information, but it's hidden, but you got the where did you
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get the inform? Do you have
a military source? Do you have military
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intelligence that are faxing you? I'm
going to just use outdated, outdated technology.
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Did they facts? You? You
know? Military intelligence going here's the
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weapon capability and the military capability of
Hamas of Hesbelah, of Egypt, of
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rus like what so, like you're
a church that's receiving military intelligence. Look
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where did you get the information?
He doesn't cite a source. Now again,
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when I was listening this morning,
that's this is the way I was
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talking. I was getting irritated,
and I was getting frustrated. Okay,
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and so and guess what I wanted
to do. I wanted desperately to grab,
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you know, my iPad and just
start researching. Boom boom, boom
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boom? Is that true? Is
that true? Is that true? And
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then I wanted to turn on the
Then at least I thought, I thought
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about, then I'll just do a
broadcast going once again, we're in saw
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Maty three. But this has nothing
to do with saw Mady three and this
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is wrong and this is wrong,
and this is wrong and this is wrong
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and this is wrong. But then
I thought, you know what, I'm
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tired of doing that. I'm not
going to do that in any way,
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shape or form. But I but
I was like, Okay, be over
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in a couple of minutes, and
then I can just say I listened to
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it. And because I'm going to
listen to every one of these, just
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because I stated I was going to, I have to fulfill that obligation.
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Maybe it's one thing I can do, right, maybe you know I'll at
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least do that well. At some
point, though, something is going to
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be said that proves I'm an idiot. All right, are you ready?
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Here we go. Let's see if
you find it. Let's see if you
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can detect it first. And we
have that arm government. I mean,
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there's things on FBI files that we
don't know about it. Maybe there may
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be things about yourself, about me
on FBI files that I don't know what
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they say, but they're there.
But the Guitran military has more than all
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of these others I've just mentioned,
and with the nuclear capability of which they're
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afraid that in the wrong hands would
be a big problem. And with this
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Arab spring, it could be a
big problem. It I'm just so confused
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with this Arab spring. It could
be a big problem. The Arab spring
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is over. Okay, what what
do you what are we talking? I
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don't even understand. I don't even
understand. What do you mean? It
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could be you mean it possibly was
a big Like why are we even talking
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about the Arab Spring? What does
that have to do with P eighty three?
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And what is that gonna do with
twenty twenty four. Okay, now
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so you can hear my frustration.
Okay, so this is this is this
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is the way I was say.
I wasn't being godly, I was not
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being humble. I had not learned
that lesson that I should that I learned
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from all of my years and Bible
colleges is hey, hey, always be
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willing to admit that you're wrong,
Stay teachable, stay humble. Didn't become
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that, but it could have been. Okay, well, he said,
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okay, good thing he had got. He did admit. It didn't become
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that, but it could have.
Okay, So it didn't become that.
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Okay, great, thank you for
admitting it did not become that. None
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of this happened, none of the
none of the speculation happened. All right,
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So what has this got to do
with Psalm eighty three? Right?
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You're in the Arab spring thing,
but your government, our government released to
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Egypt, even though they were trying
to help the Ab spring in Egypt,
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they released to them two hundred million
just before Mwbari till he the he dedicateddate
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to Egypt. And I say we
I'm talking about America for military use.
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Okay, what has that got to
do with PSAW eighty three, America released
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two hundred million I'm assuming dollars to
Egypt prior to for military use prior to
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the Arab Spring. Okay, I
I don't understand it was that based off
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in the prior agreements? Like what's
what's I don't understand what the he's saying
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it in such a sinister way,
like so did are you saying America caused
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the Arab spring? Like what does
that got to do with SAW eighty three?
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See, but you see what my
temptation is here, right to look
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up all of this, to look
all of this up and go, no,
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well, this is not accurate,
this is not accurate, this and
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all like that, what is the
source in what you're quoting all this information
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from you? You're you've got this
source from somewhere? What is the source?
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Right? So like that, but
and again what does this have to
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do with SAW eighty three? But
but but but well have you have you
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detected the part where I was wrong? Yet? Yeah? Haven't? Okay,
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Well keep listening see if if you
hear it. Now, let's look
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at those four verses with that background
that, because how don't you see these
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things? And you know we have
hit these things. We've tried to hit
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it as clearly as we came.
Again, this goes back over ten years
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ago, and this is twenty twenty
four. I did this in twenty ten,
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presented in our church. You could
actually go to our website Central Baptistocala
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dot org. And when you scroll
down on that page and you look for
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sermons by Bible. You clicked onto
the Bible, go down to the Book
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of Psalms and click down to get
Psalms eighty three. You'll see all the
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sermons. You can hear all the
sermons I preached on Psalms eighty three.
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So it looks like he's utilizing information
from his sermons series in twenty ten,
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and in referencing that some of that
material. Now you already know my feelings
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about that. You should never use
past material. You should never use past
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notes in a present teaching, ever
under any circumstances ever, ever, ever,
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ever, ever, ever, because
if your past information was wrong,
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then that becomes present wrong. Don't
ever do that. You always study start
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over, brand new, afresh.
But some ways I want to go back
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and listen to everything he said in
twenty ten, just because because then I
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could connect it with the Arab Spring. Since he's making it about the Arab
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Spring, I wonder how much he
connected saw Maty three to the Arab Spring
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in twenty ten, and if he
did, well, did he get did
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he get all of that? Was
he gonna? I don't. I would
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be interesting to know if he said
it in twenty teny, Hey, the
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Arab spring is saw maybe three coming
go being fulfilled. I don't know what
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he did. I still don't.
I don't understand any of this, okay,
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but but what did he say where? I immediately realized that I'm the
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idiot. Let's see here and get
it before this radio series that we listen
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to it. But these first four
verses here he says, keep not thou
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silence, don't be mute. Now, this was baffling to me. He's
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in part twenty eight, and we're
going back to verse one, or this
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is he's part twenty five, Part
twenty five going back to first one.
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Like the whole structure of this is
just baffling beyond all comprehension to me.
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I just don't get the structure.
But okay, okay, okay, So
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we're back in verse one, all
right? Now, at this point.
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I got a little excited, right, so now my attitude started changing,
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right, forget all of that.
Let's not get into that. He's in
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the text all right now. Now
I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready.
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Let me let me see if I
can get something from this. Have
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you have you heard where I was
wrong yet? Have you? Have you?
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Okay, let's keep listening about this
is what he's saying. So he
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says, keep not silence, Oh
God, hold not thy peace, don't
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be death at what we're saying,
and be not still, don't refrain from
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helping. Oh God. Why does
he say Oh God twice here? Because
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he's approaching the Almighty God, not
to the false gods of those nations that's
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surrounding them right now. And this
is a call for God to judge the
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enemies of Israel. Now. The
theologians called this in precatory psalm. An
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imprecatory psalm is a one of a
prayer to God to invoke God's wrath on
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the wicked. At that very moment, I reached over him. Pause and
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like he called it in a precatory
song, no no, no, no,
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no, no no no no.
This is not an a precatory psalm.
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This is a communal lament, this
is a lament song. So immediately
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I was like, okay, I
is this one of the situations no one
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can agree if it's an imprecatory or
a lament. If we can't even agree
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if it's an imprecatory or a lament, well then that's once again, this
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demonstrates the impossibility of ever interpreting the
Bible. Okay. So I'm like,
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all right, well, let me
look this up. So I started looking
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up, and all of a sudden, I was like, I'm many idiots,
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gidiot, and literally I wanted to
just delete my podcast and like,
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I give up because even though I
did extensive research. In fact, I'm
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going to read some of the research
I did before, it appears that the
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majority call this an imprecatory psalm and
I did not. Now what makes me
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mad? If you go back and
listen I don't know which, maybe part
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one part two that I did at
Victory, a Baptist church. You can
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hear someone in the church. I
believe. I believe her name is Sarah.
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Sarah. I won't give the last
name. I believe she is the
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one who I think when I asked
what type of psalm. It is classified
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it as an imprecatory psalm. And
you hear me say no, it has
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elements of an imprecatory psalm, but
this is a lament psalm. So someone
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gave me the right answer and I
said no, which only in intensifies how
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stupid I feel today. I cannot
believe I got this wrong. As soon
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as he said I was gonna look
at I was gonna look it up to
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prove him wrong. Now, the
good thing is I was following my advice.
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You always have to be willing no
matter what you hear. You don't
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just immediately say someone is wrong.
You got to go do your own Before
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you can say someone is wrong,
You've got to go do the work to
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prove there. You can't say someone
is wrong until you prove they are wrong.
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If you haven't proved they're wrong,
you have no business saying they're wrong.
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I think that's a very good principle
to operate from. But I was,
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I really I was convinced, I'll
look this up, And immediately I
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started looking up, going what did
I do? Why did I call this
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a communal lament? Now, if
you'll remember, I'm going to go through
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some of my notes here. I'm
gonna go through some of my notes here
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really quick. All right. The
book of Psalms contains a variety of psalms
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that can be categorized into different types
based on their themes, structure, and
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purpose. All right, we have
a pray. We have the praise psalms
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are sometimes referred to as hymns.
These psalms focus on praising and glorifying God
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for his attributes, deeds, and
character. They often express There often include
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expressions of adoration, thanksgiving, and
exaltation. Examples of these would be Psalm
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eight some one hundred and Psalm one
fifty. These are praise psalms or hymns.
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The second kind. I'm gonna skip
to a second kind. We'll go.
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We'll call the next one the second
kind, even though it's not in
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my nose. Thanksgiving psalms. These
psalms give thanks to God for his goodness,
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faithfulness, and provision. They often
including recounting of past experiences of deliverance
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or answered prayers. This is Psalm
thirty some one hundred and Psalm one sixteen.
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We have what we call wisdom psalms. These psalms focus on imparting wisdom
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and moral teachings through poetry and metaphor. They often contrast the righteous and the
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wicked and emphasize the value of seeking
God's guidance. This would be Psalm one,
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Psalm thirty seven, Psalm one nineteen. All right, we have royal
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psalms. These psalms celebrate or pray
for the king or ruler of Israel and
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emphasizes the divine authority given to the
monarch. They often express confidence in God's
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protection and blessings upon the king.
Examples of these would be Psalm two,
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Psalm twenty, and Psalm seventy two. We have penitential psalms. These psalms
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focus on confession of sin, repentance, and seeking forgiveness from God. They
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express deep remorse and a desire for
restoration of relationship with God Psalm fifty one,
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Psalm thirty two, and Psalm one
thirty. Okay, so I went
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through all of those. All right, sounds really good, sounds academic.
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Everyone understands the different types of psalms. Great, well, I had two
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categories left. One is what I
referred to as or what is referred to
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as not just me lament psalms.
These psalms express sorrow, grief, distress,
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and a cry out to God for
help. They often include elements such
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as petition, complaint, please for
God's intervention. Some examples of these would
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be Psalm thirteen, Psalm twenty two, Psalm eighty eight, and I told
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everyone Psalm eighty three. And not
only did I call it a lament,
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I called it a communal lament because
other resources said that. In fact,
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one source. And I don't know
which commentary or dictionary I received this from,
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but Psalm eighty three is often classified
as a communal lament psalm. Communal
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lament psalms are prayers offered by a
community of people, such as the nation
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of Israel, rather than just an
individual. These psalms typically express a collective
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cry for help, deliverance, or
justice on behalf of the entire community.
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And Psalm eighty three, the palmist
calls on God to act against the enemies
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of Israel for threatening the nation.
The psalm describes the various nations conspiring against
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Israel and ask God to intervene on
behalf of the people. The intensity of
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the plea of God's protection and justice
aligns with the characteristics of a communal or
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a lament psalm, especially one that
reflects a communal concern. So I was
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like, this is this is a
lament palm, this is a element.
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I was convinced it was a lament
psalm right. In fact, there's a
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part of me that still wants to
make an argument that it is a lament
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sum because but the reason why is
because of verse one. And this really
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began to fit. And see what
happened is the research was was confirming my
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own bias. See my own bias
is what do I do with Psalm eighty
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three? Everybody wants to make this
about a war or this or that about
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something in the future, or or
going to second chronicles. That doesn't seem
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to it. But I knew what
I could do with it. Do not
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keep silent, Oh God, do
not hold your peace, and do not
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be still, Oh God. Now
immediately when I read that, I'm like,
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okay. Even in the New King
James, there's exclamation points thereafter Oh
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God. He says, this is
showing the intensity of the emotion of the
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plea. They are worried, they
are concerned, they are filled with distress,
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They're bothered, and Asaf is now
taking the concerns of the people and
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crying out to God and a communal
lament, and they're like, God,
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where are you? What are you
doing? Oh, here's what's going on.
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And then they lay out exactly why
they're filled with concern and why they
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are wondering where God is. And
even though they believe it a God in
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whom they cannot see, they're living
in circumstances which they can see, and
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those circumstances are making with in them
question where God is or his involvement or
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even his existence. And so it
all fit perfectly. Now, Yes,
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I understand that he describes the enemies, he he talk, he lists the
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enemies. He asked them to deal
with the enemies in the present as he
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had dealt with enemies in the past. And then I understand verse thirteen and
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following have a different characteristic. There
thirteen and following I agree is does not
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have a lament as much as it
has an imprecatory nature. So I felt
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this was a lament psalm with an
imprecatory section right, or at least elements
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of an imprecatory song, an imprecatory
psalm. If you do not know,
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is this these psalms contains prayer for
God's judgment and punishment upon the enemies of
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the psalmist or of God. They
express strong emotion of anger, frustration,
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and a desire for justice. Well, I felt that the lament part was
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found in verse one. That's truly
a lament. To me, that's not
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so much, Hey God destroy them. That's more like, God, where
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are you? I don't. This
is not like, hey, God kill
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them. This is more like God, could you bother to show up?
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Now? Yes, starting in verse
thirteen, very much an imprecatory section.
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Oh my God, make them like
the whirling dust, like the chef before
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the wind. But I so I
feel that the lament, the communal lament,
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captures the overall essence. But he
when he said in precatory, I
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was like, no, no,
no, no, no no. And
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I started looking it up. And
immediately what did I find? I found
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sources that went along with it.
In fact, I started I started looking
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up AI artificial intelligence, and the
chatbot said this. Psalm eighty three is
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generally classified as an imprecatory psalm rather
than a lament song. A precatory psalms
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are those in which the sammist calls
upon God to bring judgment or curses upon
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their enemies. These psalms are often
express express feelings of anger, frustration,
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a desire for justice against those who
have wronged the Ssawmist or the people of
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Israel, and Psalm eighty three pm
as pleased with God to act against the
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enemies of Israel. Lament psalms,
on the other hand, are characterized by
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expression of sorrow, morning or a
sense of being overwhelmed by suffering or injustice.
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The psalms often include petitions for help, expressions of trust in God,
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and declarations of faith in the midst
of difficult circumstances. And now see when
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I read that paragraph, I'm like, that's a Psalm eighty three is a
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lament, Okay. So there's a
part of me that wants to fight this.
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But I'm like, oh, so
I even got into an argument with
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Ai. So I was like,
Ai, I've asked you now a couple
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of times, and I know one
time you said it's a lament, and
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one time you said it's a precatory. So could you clarify Ai said this,
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I apologize for the confusion. Psalm
eighty three is often classified as a
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precatory psalm rather than a communal life
and precaratory psalms. And it goes on.
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It says, well, so many
three does contain elements of calling upon
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God to act against enemies. It
focuses more in evoking divine judgment and deliverance,
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so it says, rather than expressing
a communal cry for help or deliverance.
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I disagree. Look, there's a
part of me that wants to fight
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this. Oh I feel like it's
a communal lament and it fits better.
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The and precatory part is at the
end, and even the imprecatory part is
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I don't feel like it carries the
typically imprecatory is like destroy them, kill
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them. And there is a little
bit of this, like you know,
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basically make them like whirling dust,
like the chef as the fire burns.
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I understand it's got that language,
but immediately look what it does that they
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may seek your name. Oh Lord, Well, if you're saying, hey,
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do all of this, that they
may seek you, that doesn't sound
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like you're saying kill them. If
you're saying, hey, do all of
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these so they will seek you,
nobody is seeking you if they're dead.
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And then look at the next part, let them be confounded and dismayed forever,
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let them be put to shame,
and it says, and perish,
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but that they may know that you, whose name alone is the Lord.
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I think it's using very poetic,
strong language, but clearly what the Sammis
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really wants is for them to come
to know who the true God is,
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for them to be filled with shame. Like it sounds like to me that
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there's it takes the imprecatory nature and
almost what it pushes it back from being
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truly in precatory in my estimation.
To me, in precatory is like destroy
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them. They deserve to be destroyed. It's really an expression almost a frustration
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and anger. We're here. It's
more of Lord, please help us,
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Please, where are you? We
need you here? And I feel that
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it's a communal lament because it's all
of Israel. And then it goes on,
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hey, Lord, this is the
enemy, here's their name. Can
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you do now what you've done?
Then? And then there's a little bit
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of the expression of the anger.
But I think lament it can. I
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think the lament can it can express
that as well. Now the question is
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does it does it have a major
impact on how we interpret the song if
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we call it an imprecatory versus calling
it a lament, does it change how
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you interpret the song? If we
classify it as a lament, how should
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we interpret it? And if we
classify it as in precatory, how should
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we interpret it? Now? I
don't know, I'm gonna do this in
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real time. I'm gonna ask Ai? Okay, okay, how would we
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interpret I'm gonna do this in real
time? Interpret p. Eighty three?
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If we classify it as a lament
palm? And how would we interpret it
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if we classify it as an imprecatory
If I can spell right, imprec a
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tory? There we go? In
precatory? Some thank you for Ai for
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telling me I was misspelling it.
Question Mark, enter, Let's see what
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it says. Are you ready?
What do you think? What is it
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going to impact our interpretation? Okay? Here we go? Are you ready?
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When interpreting ssaw maybe three as a
lamit, some we would view it
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as a communal cry for help and
a deliverance on behalf of the entire nation
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of Israel. The psalmist representing the
community expresses a sense of urgency and desperation
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and seeking God's intervention against their enemies. The language used in the psalm would
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be seen as a plea for God's
protection favor in the face of external threats.
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On the other hand, if we
interpret Psalm eighty three as an imprecatory
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psalm, we would understand it as
a prayer calling upon God to bring judgment
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and curses upon the enemies of Israel. The Psawmist invokes divine wrath and punishment
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against those who seek to harm or
destroy the people of God, and this
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interpretation, the psalm serves as a
plea for God's righteous vengeance and vindication.
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Regardless of the classification, whether as
a lament or as an imprecatory psalm,
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Psaw eighty three ultimately reflects the deep
faith and trust of the Psalmist and the
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community, and God's power to protect, defend, deliver them in times of
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trouble and adversity. Now, if
you hear that first part, when we
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interpret it as a lament psalm,
we would view it as a communal for
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help and a deliverance on behalf of
the entire nation of Israel. The Psawmist
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representing the community and expresses the Psalmist
representing the community of community expresses a sense
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of urgency desperation, seeking God's intervention
against their enemies. The language used in
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the psalm would be seen as a
plea for God's protection, favor, and
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the face of external threats. That
is how I've been describing it so clearly.
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I have followed that interpretation because I
have seen it as a limit palm.
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If I see it as an impregatory
psalm, I well, even AI
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at least thinks I should probably then
approach it somewhat different. If I approach
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it, approach it as an a
precatory psalm, then I would understand it
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as a prayer calling upon God to
bring judgment and curse upon the enemies of
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Israel. It would be more about
they want these people destroyed. They're expressing
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their anger, their need for divine
wrath and punishment, and they want and
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they're seeking, they want but those
who seek harm to be destroyed. And
635
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this interpretation of Psalm services as a
plea for God's righteous vengeance and vindication.
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And I don't know if they want
vengeance and vindication as much as it seems
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like they want the people to come
to understand who the true God is.
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So I think that that there's a
part of me that wants to argue,
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that that wants to argue. I
looked up number of sources, and almost
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all the sources that I looked up
today all said in precatory and precatory and
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precatory and practory. You're wrong,
You're wrong, You're wrong. I use
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multiple AI sources. I use the
Copilot Microsoft Copilot browser, and it gave
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me all of these sources, all
said in precatory, and I went with
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lament. Now, I think I
can defend my lament hypotheses, but I
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think I may be prone to defend
my lament hypotheses on the basis of the
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narrative I was creating to it.
So am I so committed to that narrative
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that I cannot admit that I'm wrong. Look, I'm going to admit that,
648
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at least it appears from most sources, I was one hundred percent wrong.
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00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.639
Now I feel bad that maybe that
I have been wrong in my entire
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interpretation of the song. Now you
know what I love to do. I'm
651
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going to place it in your hands. And now I'm frustrated that this he
652
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didn't even bother to classify this song. Doing it sounds like Part twenty six.
653
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Why wouldn't he doing this in part
one? I don't know. The
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whole thing is confusing, but it's
still on me. It's still on me.
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Do you think that I'm wrong and
that this is an imprecatory song or
656
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do you think it's justifiable based off
the text to classify it as a lament?
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And do you think it changes anything? AI believes that it changes it.
658
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It changes your approach to the text. If we approach If we approach
659
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it and saw many Somebody three is
an imprecatory song, then the way the
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person we're listening to, then he's
right. This is about them wanting these
661
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enemies destroyed. And I see it
more as they're crying out to God and
662
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they're confused that God hasn't done anything, and they're doing everything in their power
663
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to convince God. We need you
to do something because the situation is bad,
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and when you do something, we
want it to be done so that
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they may seek you, so that
they may know you. That that,
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to me is radically different than an
imprecatory sum That's my argument, But but
667
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I feel well I'm saying it.
I was wrong. It looks like this
668
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should be classified as an imprecatory.
So now if you do research today and
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you and you can find a good
like fifty If you can find a fifty
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to fifty break with fifty percent say
lament, fifty percent say and precatory,
671
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well great, I'll feel somewhat vindicated. But at the same time I'm going
672
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to be very disturbed because ladies and
gentlemen, if we cannot even identify the
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type of psalm, the MiGs hermoneutics
the most subjective thing on the face of
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the earth. Now maybe that's a
little hyperbole, but it does bother me
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greatly. So what do you think? And precatory or lament. Let's finish
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reviewing the audio here and see what
he has to say. And an in
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precatory prayer is vindication for the purpose
and will of God, not necessarily a
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fleshly avenge, no, but to
honor God. The land belongs to Israel,
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and this is a call to God
to defend it, as it was
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God's gift and God's desire for Israel
to have it. Now you read the
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Bible and you can't see that.
Then again, if you went to Christian
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college, Sue the Christian College.
It's clear now I'm saying this to say
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this now here they are, they're
praying God to do something. I believe
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that God does lead us in prayer, sometimes in precatory praying. Somebody's trying
685
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to destroy the standards of your church. Somebody's trying to run down what the
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church is doing this right who?
That makes me a little nervous. Hey,
687
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someone's trying to destroy the standards of
your church, you do go full
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blown and precatory and ask them to
be destroyed. Man, that that's a
689
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little frightening. And then you would
ask, how does an imprecatory psalm fit
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with love your enemy, turn the
other cheek, resist not those who do
691
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evil? Is a precatory psalm more
of a national psalm under a theocratic monarchy?
692
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:32.079
Or is it a precatory psalm for
us to use because someone is attacking
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the standards of our church? Hey, so hey, you look, we've
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got standards in this church about music
and you're coming in here and you're talking
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about you. I pray God that
they be killed. I don't I think
696
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it's a little I don't know,
that seems a little extreme to me.
697
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It's a little you want divine justice
and vengeance upon peep eye. Whoa,
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whoa, whoa. That makes me
a little nervous. Medical that's good.
699
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:07.559
They make false accusations, Listen,
I'm a pastor. I have lived with
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all kinds of false accusations they come
in. I think one of the most
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unfortunate things. It's not so much
the false accusation, but have had stand
702
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at the bedside of people of their
last days, even close to their last
703
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breath, apologizing for the critical spirits, for their lives, for the things.
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I've seen people that have done that, and suddenly they're taken out of
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this world. Whoa. So you're
saying people died because they were critical of
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you and your ministry. Woo man
live and should we pray an imprecatory song
707
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:09.360
because someone is critical of our ministry. I can promise you this for all
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those who are critical of me,
and you could accuse me, make accusations,
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may even be able to prove your
accusations or critical of me. I'm
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never going to pray for anyone's demise
or death. I mean, I get
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some serious I get emails that may
threaten me, but I'm not going to
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pray for anyone's death or destruction or
an imprecatory psalm. What I think I'm
713
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supposed to do is love my enemy
if if I have done wrong, and
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hopefully I would admit that I have
done wrong, hopefully hopefully. I mean,
715
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I'm an ungodly person, so you
know, maybe I wouldn't. I
716
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:52.159
don't know, but that's that seems
crazy to me. Like, if we're
717
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.599
going to apply the imprecatory that God
will sometimes lead us into an imprecatory song.
718
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.559
Well there's God leading outside of the
Bible again. Do you think in
719
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precatory psalms belong under the kind of
the concept of a theocratic monarchy where God
720
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is kind of governing controlling Israel,
and Israel can play pray for the destruction
721
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of their enemies. This God specifically
promised in many cases to destroy their enemies
722
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in certain situations. I mean,
like, I don't man, that that
723
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makes me. That makes me a
little nervous. I don't know they've died.
724
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It just seemed like God was shown
me there's a person. It could
725
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have brought damage not just to you, but to the church to so much,
726
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:45.719
and God took them on out.
I believe that I believe that that
727
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:49.440
person could have done damage to you
and to your church, and God took
728
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them out. Ladies and gentlemen,
if God's going to step in and start
729
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killing people who's a threat to your
church, then by all means, stop
730
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the nonsense of having guns and security
teams. If God's going to take people
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00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:06.320
out who are critical of your church
and ministry, if God's going to start
732
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killing people like that, then please
stop locking your front door and stop worrying
733
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:15.400
about guns. Stop being so pro
gone. You've got God who kills people
734
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on your behalf, and there is
no joy for me if God takes a
735
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person out. Want of people have
apologized to me. I was thankful they
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apologize under death bed and I didn't
need confront about what they've done. God
737
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:42.719
evidently had confronted them. I was
thankful I could say, oh, listen,
738
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that's the past we're going to see
in heaven. You think maybe what
739
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you would do would be like God, God, God, if you're killing
740
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this person for me, could you
can maybe you stop? Maybe maybe you
741
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:57.440
heal them. Maybe maybe I don't
know, Lord, Hey, I don't
742
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want them to die, I said, being thankful they're apologizing. Maybe you're
743
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:02.639
like God. No no, no, no, no no no, no,
744
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:08.559
no no, don't kill them.
Don't don't if you're perceiving that God
745
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:15.039
is killing them because they were critical
of you. I don't know. I
746
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.480
know this is the whole thing here. Gets a little nervous, and we're
747
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:24.440
going to rejoice together in the glory
and salvation of God. But you know
748
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:31.400
that those are things that are to
come. But yes, we need to
749
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:39.079
pray for the defeat of that which
seeks to corrupt the local church. I
750
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:45.840
think churches and Christians should have been
having prayer meetings about the contemporary movement and
751
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.480
its filth and it's moving to the
churches. No way. Okay. Now,
752
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.840
if you're just asking for something that
is going against Christianity to be defeated,
753
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.239
okay, then then that's not I
don't feel that that's an mprecatory salm,
754
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:05.880
and precatory is asking for destruction for
defeat. In fact, let me
755
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:09.159
if I go back, I'm gonna
go back to my notes because let's okay,
756
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:22.239
I'm gonna look here at some in
precatory psalms. Okay, see here
757
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:34.599
is this a precatory psalm. Let's
see here is this classified as a precatory
758
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.840
song. I don't know if this
is a preparatory song. Hang on,
759
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:43.719
let me look here. Uh,
there's a lot of parts here that I
760
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:50.840
don't know if they would be Okay, Yeah, here, maybe here's a
761
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.280
little bit of an imprecatory part.
This is part of Psalm sixty nine.
762
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:59.639
Let their table become a snare before
them, and they're well being a trap.
763
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.400
Let their eyes be darkened so that
they do not see. Make their
764
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loins shake continually. Pour out your
indignation upon them. Let your wrathful anger
765
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:14.880
take hold of them. Let their
dwelling place be desolate. Let no one
766
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:20.199
live in their tents, for they
persecute the ones you have struck. And
767
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.440
talk of the grief of those you
have wounded an iniquity to their iniquity,
768
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:28.199
let them not come into your righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the
769
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book of the Living. Okay,
Now, if you're talking about in a
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01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:37.519
precatory palm, that seems a precatory
psalm basically is I want them dead now.
771
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.880
So the contemporary movement comes unto the
church and you want to I mean,
772
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.639
if you just want it to be
defeated. But you're utilizing the imprecatory
773
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:47.960
Psalm as an example, Are you
just saying the imprecatory psalm teaches us to
774
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:52.800
pray against our enemies, simply seeking
their defeat, and that's it. Then
775
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:58.199
okay, I'm in agreement if you're
saying for them to die because you don't
776
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:04.239
agree with the way they do church. See, the imprecatory has a very
777
01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:09.039
specific connotation to me. All right, now, you can look up,
778
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:14.119
you can probably look online a list
of imprecatory psalms, read all the imprecatory
779
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:21.519
psalms and see what you find.
But let let's finish this up. It's
780
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:29.559
replacement of the Word of God with
psychology and philosophy instead of just as it
781
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:37.800
is to men as they are Bible
preaching. And so if you walk with
782
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.960
God, you read God's word is
through his word, God will show you
783
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:47.360
the things that you should pray for
and things you should pray against. Now
784
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.000
notice again with me, Now see
I'm in a complete agreement. The Bible
785
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.960
would tell you what to pray for
and what to pray against. Now we're
786
01:03:55.199 --> 01:04:00.119
I'm all for that. I just
don't know when you say in precatory,
787
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I mean his whole point was trying
to use them precatory as something we should
788
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:06.840
do on precatory is more than just
praying against your praying for the total annihilation
789
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:14.119
and destruction of people to die.
Okay, that's that. I think that
790
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:21.480
falls under a theocratic monarchy personally.
Right here in verse two, it says
791
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:32.880
for low thine enemies make a tumult, and they that hate thee have lifted
792
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:39.039
up the head. Now they are
people that hate anything has to do with
793
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:45.000
God. Our first Congress decreed that
Bibles should be put in every school.
794
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:53.199
Then we had a Supreme Court who
decided to vote against God and against your
795
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:57.280
first US Congress and basically your Constitution, to say, let's take the Bible
796
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:01.480
out of the schools. And aren't
this feel so much more safe today since
797
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:06.400
you remove God and prayer and the
Bible out of that. Oh, in
798
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:12.239
the name of bubblegum, nobody took
the Bible and prayer out of school.
799
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:18.000
Any kid can bring their Bible to
school and read it at the appropriate time,
800
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:25.679
study hall, free time, lunch, They can pray twenty four The
801
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:30.039
kids can pray whenever they want.
What you want is a mandatory Bible being
802
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:34.320
put there by the school. And
you see it goes against the constitution,
803
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:39.320
has a separation, the idea of
some kind of a separation. We do
804
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.920
not want a state mandated church.
We don't want that. It's a public
805
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:47.079
school. If you want a Christian
school, open one. If you want
806
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:51.679
the public school, it has to
be public, meaning open for all those
807
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:58.360
who are Christian and who aren't Christian. And if you're going to demand the
808
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.559
Bible, well then why can't some
demand the Satanic Bible or the Quran.
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The whole thing is ridiculous. You
could carry any any teenager can carry their
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Bible to school. They can't just
read it in the middle of math class,
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but they can read it whenever they
have free time. And if they
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want to pray, they can pray
whenever they can. They can they can
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they can be praying with their eyes
wide open looking at everyone. They can
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be pray. They can pray for
all they can get to. They could
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stop by your church. You could
have the doors open at at seven thirty
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in the morning. They could stop
by on the way to school to pray.
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They can pray whenever they want.
But you want someone making them leading
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them in. It drives me so
crazy, like churches will be closed for
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anything. Their youth group is an
absolute joke. It's fun, food and
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activity. Well, hey have have
Bible classes for the teenagers Monday, Tuesday,
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Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday in the morning and the
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afternoon and after school. Hey have
prayer time for the teenagers Sunday, Monday,
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Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Oh
no, we don't want the church
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to do it. You want the
school to do it. That's a joke.
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Okay. And I don't know what
any of this has to do with
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PSA eighty three, but okay,
you know, I grew up in school
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and don't ever remember a shooting in
school. I don't remember teachers trying to
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lead us against our parents and against
our country. But verse two says for
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low thine enemies make a tumult,
and they that hate thee have lifted up
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the head. Now the tumult is
allowed uproar. Other words, you're going
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to make it knowing, Oh,
this is bad. These people are praying
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in the church, These people are
praying it in schools. These people are
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actually talking about Jesus in a good
way. I actually had a one of
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our teachers that in our Sunday school
who was working with some of the Spanish
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kids. I was talking about having
a witness at school, and one students
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said, we're only allowed to use
the name Jesus as a cuss word.
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We cannot say it as something good. Now was that? So? I
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don't know? Students in a public
school and they just said, Hey,
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I don't know if this is true, but a teenager said it. So
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I don't know if it's true,
but I'm going to say that in a
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certain public school. Hey, give
me the name of the public school.
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I would love to call the public
school and say, according to this preacher,
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hey, you kids can only say
Jesus if they use it as a
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cuss word. They can't say Jesus
in a positive way. Is this a
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school policy? Can you explain when
this occurred? Can you explain? I
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would love to, But we don't
have the name of the school, so
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we can't verify. And he hasn't
verified it. He doesn't even know if
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it's true. He just knows some
teenagers said it. Man, you know,
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if we want to use teenagers as
a source of truth. But okay,
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I mean, you go right ahead. I question myself much more.
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I question myself enough. I don't
know if I want to add teenagers to
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my list of resources that I'm going
to trust. And I'm allowed to use
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the name of Jesus in a good
way. And I guess the other students
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that were with him agreed. So
you see here they hate THEE. They
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lifted up the head. Now the
two moults the loud uproar. They want
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to turn others against them, and
so they start speak to others to turn
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nations against them. And the rest
of verse two says, they that hate
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THEE, that is, they that
hate God, They that hate THEE,
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that hate God, Jehovah have lift
up the heads. This is your radio,
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pastor, pastor, there we go. I wanted to play the rest
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only because I didn't want to be
accused of taking anything out of context.
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The purpose of all of that was
even though and I do want to use
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this as a learning example here,
I disagree with a lot of that,
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as you can hear, I've got
some issues. But even though I disagreed,
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I was confronted today by listening to
that with my classification of Psalm eighty
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three as being a communal lament,
and he made it clear that it's an
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imprecatory song. Now I have given
you. I went through all the different
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types of songs. I've tried to
argue a little bit for the reason why
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I went with a lament psalm.
I've tried to read to you from different
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sources. I've told you, we've
looked in real time, we consulted AI,
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and AI makes an argument that if
you go with a lament song,
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you will interpret it one way.
If you go with it as an imprecatory
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psalm, you will interpret it another
way. Clearly, I've interpreted it more
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and long as a lament, and
now I've laid it all out. I've
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admitted that I'm wrong because so far
the majority of sources seem to say it's
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an imprecatory I'm confused by that.
But as of right now, I'm going
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to say I was wrong and we
will see. And now I hand it
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to you. This is what I
love doing on this podcast is we work
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on these issues together. So do
your research. Is SAW eighty three a
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communal lament or is it imprecatory.
If it's a communal lament, how would
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you interpret it. If it's an
imprecatory how would you interpret it? And
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if it's an imprecatory that has all
of my teaching on PSAW eighty three up
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to this point been absolutely in error. If so, then I will acknowledge
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that and correct it to the best
of my ability. Personally, I would
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have all hard time. I'm just
being honest with you, and maybe because
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I'm so far into this now that
it's hard to back up, I would
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have a hard time at this point
going back oversaw mayighty three and doing it
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more like an imprecatory because even when
they ask for judgment, it doesn't feel
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to reach the imprecatory level. It
seems like as soon as it starts getting
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close to that unprecatory level, they
seem to pull back and like, hey,
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hey, hey, you know,
hey, we just want them to
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again, We want them to seek
you, we want them to know you.
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All right, Well, people can't
seek you and know you if they're
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dead. So that's that's why I
went more with a lament I did,
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and I believe it starts with clearly
a lament God, where are you,
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and then outlines why they're so concerned
and why they need God's intervention. So
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I feel like it has much more
of a lament feel than an imprecatory fiel.
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But obviously most people disagree with me, and I got no problem acknowledge
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that I am wrong. So I'm
going to say I'm wrong for now.
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I could change my mind and go
back, you know what I'm gonna In
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fact, my original intent was just
say, look, I was wrong.
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But I want you to learn,
even in a message, even in sermons
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where you may disagree, don't ever
allow yourself just to stop listening. Always
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keep listening and gain what you can, and always be willing to admit that
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you were wrong, and always be
willing to change your view when you hear.
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And as you're a lung, we
have to remain humble and teachable,
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and we got to be able to
admit that we're wrong. I feel like
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I blew it here. I don't
know why I look, I don't know
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why I never questioned my lament hypotheses. I don't know why. But I
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think I was wrong. I think
maybe this is an a precatory sum,
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and I think maybe the tone of
it should be different than the way I've
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presented it. I'm willing to work
on that, but I hand it to
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you. So your job is to
do see what you can find and then
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email me news. I yahud,
that's NEWSI f at yahoo dot com.
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Now, the funny part is I
said when I right before I got ready
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to do this broadcast, I'm like, you know, this will be about
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thirty minutes and then I could get
to the thing the other things I need
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to do that are much longer today, there's some other things we need to
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talk about that are mutt that and
well this went seventy four minutes. So
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yeah, I was wrong about that
as well. Right, a day of
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being wrong. All right, Well
there we go. Hopefully, Hey,
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the one thing it does, it
adds more discussion about Psalm eighty three.
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But by the time, look,
we went into summer twenty twenty three thinking
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we're going to be focusing proverbs,
proverbs, proverbs, proverbs, and inevitably
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this has turned into the summer of
Psalm eighty three. You'll always remember the
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summer of twenty twenty four, not
the summer of sixty nine. Get it,
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get it, Okay, music fans
know what I'm talking about, all
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right, not the summer of sixty
nine, But the summer of twenty twenty
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four became the summer of Psalm eighty
three. I don't know if it's going
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to be of any spiritual benefit to
any of us, but we definitely have
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done the work on it. Thanks
for listening everyone, have a great day. God bless
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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast
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making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Tuesday, July the ninth,
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twenty twenty four. It is currently
two thirty five pm Central Time,
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and I am coming to you live
from the Theology Central studio located right here
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in Abilene, Texas. Now,
if I take all of my schooling that
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I have accomplished in the realm of
theology and the realm of the Bible,
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if I take all of that,
my associate degrees and religious education and biblical
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studies, and I don't know if
I have one. I'd have to look
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at all my diplomas and all my
degrees, Bachelors in theology, Biblical studies.
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I think, maybe also a bachelor's
and religious education, Masters and theology
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Biblical study, maybe one in religious
education as well. If I take all
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of my degrees and diplomas and everything, all my schooling, all of my
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education in those areas, those specific
areas of biblical studies, religious education,
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and theological studies, if I take
all of them combine, do you know
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what the number one lesson I have
learned from all of that? What do
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you think the number one lesson you
take all my diplomas, all my degrees.
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It doesn't matter if it was a
Bible college, a Bible institute,
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or a seminary, doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter if it was a big school,
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small school, if it was kind
of a church type school for like
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a Bible institute, it doesn't matter. The number one lesson I have gained
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from all of that education, That
number one lesson would be what do you
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think? Come on, what do
you think? It would be all of
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my diplomas, all of my degrees. The number one lesson I can take
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from all of them, The number
one lesson I can take from all of
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them is this. You have to
be willing to acknowledge and admit to yourself
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and to others that you were wrong. You have to be able to admit
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it. You have to be able
to acknowledge it. You have to be
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able to recognize it. You have
to be able to see it. You
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have to be able to go.
It doesn't matter how many degrees that have.
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It doesn't matter how many times I've
studied this text, doesn't matter how
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many times I've written papers on this
side. I have to be able to
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acknowledge and admit that I am wrong. I put it this way. If
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you can't, if you don't reach
that point, there's no point in pursuing
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more education. There's no point.
Education is the process of you realizing how
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wrong you are. That's what education
is. Education is the process of learning
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how much you don't know. Education
is the process of realizing how wrong you
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have been. Education is the process
of realizing how ignorant you really are.
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That's what education is all about.
It's not to build your ego. It's
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not to make you feel more important. It's really to break you down and
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to demonstrate you thought you knew something, See how much you don't know.
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You thought you had the right answer, See how wrong you really were.
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That's really the goal. And I
think it's even more important in theological education.
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I think in theological education it's an
absolute essential that you are constantly confronted
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with the fact that you have been
wrong, you did not know the answer.
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A lot of times many It really
happens a lot in seminary and Bible
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college. The people come out arrogant, full of themselves, conceded, thinking
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that they know everything, and they
speak down to everyone else. And it
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drives me crazy. That's something went
wrong in your educational process. You should
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walk out going, WHOA, you
know what? I don't know very much.
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In fact, there's a lot I
need to know. And that's just
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spent four years, eight years,
depending on how many degrees and diplomas you
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were pursuing. You want to come
out of it going you know what,
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you know what I learned, how
much I don't know? So I'm going
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to walk in humility, not in
arrogance. That's how it should work.
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And if you think about it,
that really parallels and it really is a
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good picture of the Christian life.
Hey, whether you like to admit it
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or not, every time you open
your Bible, you know what, you're
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confronted with how wrong you are,
how sinful. You are confronted with your
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sin. You're confronted with your failure. You're confronted with how wrong you are.
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Now, I know we have a
tendency to go to the Bible thinking,
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wow, it's amazing God always agrees
with me. But it's not the
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case. You should be constantly confronted
with hmm, you know I used to
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think this, Maybe I was wrong. If you can't approach the Bible and
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a teachable spirit with humility being able
to acknowledge that you are wrong. That's
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why I constantly say you're past understanding
is of no present value. Whenever you
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open the Bible today, whatever you
thought yesterday, you've got to be willing
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to change and admit that maybe you
were wrong. It's never fun. But
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if you don't like admitting you were
wrong, Christianity is not for you.
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Because every day open the Bible,
I realize I'm a sinner. Oh,
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I'm a sinner. I'm a sinner. Oh. I may be able to
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clean up the outside, really really
really really good. Right. I may
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be able to clean out the outside
so that no one can make any accusation,
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no one can accuse me of anything. But does that really make me
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better? No? Because inside I'm
nothing but filthy, rotten flesh and bone,
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And spiritually speaking, I'm I'm I'm
full of decay and corruption inside.
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Oh I may clean up the outside, but inside I'm still a mess.
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So on one hand, from a
human perspective, yes, I cleaned up
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the outside. Everyone is happy,
no accusations, no one hurt. Great.
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Inside I'm like I'm a piece of
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So but I've got to be willing
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say all of that one because I
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what you are about to hear.
Because ladies and gentlemen, I have turned
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on the microphone this afternoon to tell
everyone I know this is going to come
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as a shock. I was wrong
about Psalm eighty three. I got it
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completely wrong, and I'm very frustrated
with myself. Look, sometimes I am
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wrong because of the way I teach. I like it to be very organic
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and like we're working through it together
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absolutely that's a guarantee that I'm gonna
make mistakes when I'm working through it in
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real time with you live on the
air, or maybe sometimes I'm working through
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it in real time with the people
at you know, at at a church
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or at the church and Victory and
Tuschool and ovalo. I that's going to
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happen. I'm gonna misspeak, I'm
gonna say, because I'm doing it in
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real time. I like doing it
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be a part of the process.
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there's a chance I'm going to be
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through it in real time. Sometimes
I can be wrong, but it's kind
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of much more. It's not that
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I hate to say, a ploy. It's kind of a part of the
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process. Sometimes I like to throw
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with the idea because I'm doing it
to say, hey, what about this,
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Like throwing it out as a hypothesis
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be going in a different direction to
get everyone else to work on it and
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see if we can come to a
different conclusion. Sometimes it's much more like,
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hey, I could this be the
right way? When I know it's
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not the right way. In this
particular case, I'm very frustrated because I
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thought I was right, Like this
is one that I had researched, I
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had notes copied down. In fact, I read directly from other sources.
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And I think now that I can
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think what happened is I found a
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and instead of questioning the source or
doing extra work, it fit my narrative
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that I went along with it.
But lo and behold, I now have
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to admit that I was wrong.
So are you ready? Okay, all
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of you remember in some eighty three
how this all started. Right where we're
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doing the sermons two point oh app
sermon challenge. All of us are supposed
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to be listening to random sermons every
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be listening to random live webcast.
Okay, well you're listening to one now,
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so I guess you're you're accomplishing that. Okay, all right, so
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we're supposed to be listening to others
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the idea. So I doubt on
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webcast. We were just doing random
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sermons on my iPad because I was
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around, and I had one that
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I'm like, ooh, this could
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on eschatology. The only problem is
when I had play, I saw the
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entire title p eighty three the Coming
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completely con perplexed, confused, confounded, because I was like, what is
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Psalm eighty three is? Not,
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the coming Middle East war? Where
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started listening to that series and we
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we've reviewed messages from that series,
I'm just going to be honest. At
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times, I've grown very frustrated with
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with this series. I felt that
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are just absolutely factually not true,
just absolutely and error. In fact,
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I've looked up some of those things
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I'm like, this is just not
accurate. Where is this coming from?
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Right? So I've been very frustrated. Then we listen to a message where
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it connected saw many three to second
Chronicles twenty saying that Jehosaphat called in Asaf.
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factually wrong. So I get frustrated, and I got really frustrated. But
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even though I've been frustrated, one
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no matter how much I may disagree
with a minister or a ministry,
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I always try my best to get
as much out of their teaching as I
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can, And no matter how much
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like that, to change my mind, to admit that I was wrong,
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to admit that my understanding hasn't been
in crect just like that, because it
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doesn't matter they I may disagree with
them nine hundred percent doesn't mean that I'm
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always right. I've always got to
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that that original series is now up
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twenty eight, and maybe up to
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look here. It's just they keep
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I'm gonna click here. I'm gonna
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It is currently at twenty eight parts, twenty eight parts. Now the
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series at times is maddening because I
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It doesn't have anything to do with
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morning, I don't know, four
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the street. I don't know what
they're working on. There's some project putting
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up a fence. I don't know. There was sawing and hammering and drills
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and and then they started mowing the
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five thirty am. I was like, okay, I can't. I can't
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slit, and I don't care.
I'm not one of those to complain.
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I want my neighbors to make as
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four hours a day. I'm that's
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Hey, have a party, blair
your music, break things, shoot things,
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be as loud as you want,
because then you can never complain about
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how loud I am. Right,
okay, So it's a good thing.
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So I don't care that they were
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and so I'm like, okay,
Well now that I'm wait, I gotta
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make good use of this time,
right, I gotta make good use of
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this time? So what did I
do? I grabbed my iPad and I
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looked for a live webcast. Obviously
there were none, and so I looked
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at my feed on the sermon's two
point oh app and I'm like, what
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some eighty three part twenty eight.
You gotta be kidding me. I'm like,
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okay, so do I listen to
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well, I'm a couple behind.
Let me go to part twenty five.
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So I went to part twenty five. And then he mentioned something and
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immediately I thought, no, no, no, no, you're wrong.
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But see, now here's the thing. I got no problem saying you're wrong.
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But what I've always tried to do. And I'm not saying I always
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do this right, but I've always
tried you're wrong, But I'm going to
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go now do a couple of hours
of research to either prove that you are
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indeed wrong or to possibly correct myself. Because what is the number one lesson
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I've learned from all the Bible colleges, all the seminaries, all the degrees
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I have religious education, theological studies, biblical studies, everything that I've done,
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The one lesson is that you've got
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wrong. You've got to so I
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was convinced that I was in the
right, so I was going to go
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research to prove Wait, this person
is wrong, right, I'm just gonna
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There was almost a little bit of
arrogance to it. I see, I
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didn't quite learn my lesson from all
of that schooling. I should have went,
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oh, no, I could be
wrong, let me go check,
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but I kind of went to check
to go. I'm gonna show that this
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guy has made another absolute horrible mistake, and I come to find out that
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I'm the one who made the mistake. Are you ready to hear this?
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We're gonna review. We're gonna start
from the beginning, and we're gonna review
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this and see if you can find
my mistake. Do you think you can
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find it? Do you think you
can? Whoever can identify my mistake?
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First, you win absolutely nothing.
And if you tell me that I was
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wrong, then I will never speak
to you again. Okay, maybe maybe
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that's maybe that's not quite I'm not
quite showing the humility now. But let's
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see if you can find out where
I was wrong? Are you ready?
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Here we go. Thy word is
a lamp onto my feet and a light
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onto my path. This is Gary
Neron, welcoming you to the Lamp and
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Light Broadcast, coming to you from
the studios of Central Baptist Church in beautiful
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o' Calla, Florida. Lamp and
Light is a ministry taking a Book of
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the Bible, verse by verse,
teaching as it is to men as they
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are, without compromise or apology,
speaking the truth and love. And our
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purpose is to give the lamp and
light to all. Yesterday in our study
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of Psalm eighty three, we were
talking about some of the weapons that the
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enemies of Israel have. Let's continue
with that discussion today. Now here is
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our teacher and pastor, doctor Andy
Bloom again. I just have to keep
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saying this. I'm always impressed with
their intros. Their intros are so good.
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I love it. I love everything
about their intro is perfect. They
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got I wish I had that such. I wish my intro was that good.
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Okay, I don't know if I
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vibe, but I like there it
because I don't know if that vibe would
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fit me. That vibe really wouldn't
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trying to do. Very well done. Love it, Love the production,
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love it all. But wait,
they're gonna be talking about the weapons that
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the enemies of Israel has. Okay, wait, wait, what is happening
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here with Saw eighty three? Okay? See, this is where some of
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my frustration with this series has gotten
because so many times I'm like, I
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just don't understand what this has to
do with Saw eighty three, and I
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have been because of this series,
though I have worked so hard to try
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to give people something that I think
can be applicable to what's going on in
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Saw eighty three. That's what we've
been doing hour after hour. So I
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this series has definitely driven me to
try to do something worthwhile with sau Mady
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three. But whenever I go back
to how they're handling, I'm just sometimes
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baffled. So okay, so when
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to look about their spiritual weapons?
Are we going to get into some discussion
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about physical Okay, let's see what
we can learn here just for even associating
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with Christ that name, even though
they may not be doctly on the same
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place that we are, they're getting
put to death. And that's again I'm
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going back to two thousand and I'm
telling you I did this series back in
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twenty ten a lot of research,
I mean hours upon hours upon hours of
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research to get here. Well,
we find out that these people Abspring,
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what did they do? They break
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They broken treaties and promises with Israel, and the numbers are staggering. Now
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this is where like wait, the
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has nothing to do with the Arab
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Like say, this is what's so
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wait, saw eighty three the Arab
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during the Arab Spring. Many of
you who listen today won't will not know
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this. I was broadcasting almost around
the clock during the Arab Spring, talking
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about all of the situation and who
was doing what and what was happening and
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what was going on. And that's
basically when I'd fallen into it, basically
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doing a news podcast, even though
that was never my intentil well, what
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wasn't even called a podcasting at that
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broadcasting on the Arab Spring, hour
after hour hour. I mean it was
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it was crazy. I never want
to go back to the way that whole
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thing went down. So I know
a little bit about it, but I
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never went like, saw eighty three
the Arab How is the Arab Spring?
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Saw eighty three? I just don't
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I see where he goes against Israel. Hesbe Law has a ten thousand man
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brigade with forty thousand missiles. Some
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What does some eighty three you have
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the number of missiles that they possess. See this is where I just like
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Look, I'm just gonna be fully transparent.
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I'm gonna be fully transparent here.
Okay. At this point, I
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was just getting irritated. I'm like, why why what I and the part
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of me is like, why you
even keep why are you even listening?
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You disagree with their approach to the
text, You've been frustrated. Now what
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you're gonna do is you're gonna start
fact checking all of this, and then
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you're gonna be tempted to turn on
the microphone to go see they got this
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wrong. They got this wrong,
they got this wrong. And so immediately
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I was like, you know,
you're being kind of an arrogant jerk,
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right, how about you just shut
up and listen and see if there's something
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you can learn and even if you
disagree with their approach, see what you
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can gain from it. But I'm
telling you, at first I had a
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very negative attitude, and then I
had to tell myself. I think I
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even stopped it a couple of times
and said I'm gonna go listen to something
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else. But then I came back. I think I came back multiple times
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because I started getting frustrated realizing I
was having a bad attitude. And there's
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no justification for having a bad attitude, but I just was having a bad
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attitude and not being very godly.
Okay, I know that's a shock,
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but I wasn't being very godly.
Now, maybe again, nobody would have
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to know that so I could,
I could turn on the microphone and go
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I was listening this morning, and
I was just like, God, show
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me something important in this text,
and I saw something so I could make
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myself sound like I was all godly
and spiritual. But I was an arrogant,
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condescending jerk thinking I was just gonna
look up all of this information to
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try to prove someone wrong and then
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Not because God spoke to me,
just because I was having my own
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internal battle with my own depravity and
well, so at this point, at
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this point, what you're listening to
now, I was just getting irritated and
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frustrated with with the capability of carrying
heavy payloads along with chemical and biological warheads
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which they seem to have. Syria
now again, I'm talking twenty ten,
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twenty eleven had a five hundred thousand
man army with the latest equipment of the
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day that was supplied to them,
how by Russia. And if you'll look
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at the early war of Russia down
against Israel of the Tribulation, you'll see
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that Russia seems to be going through
Syria on that trip. Again this morning,
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I just wanted to scream, what
does this have to do with Saw
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eighty three? Has nothing to do
with Saumady three? How are you gonna
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connect this to Saw eighty three?
Saw eighty three. It's not about some
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future event. It's describing what was
happening at the time. I've only,
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you know, stated that seventy five
thousand times, and I think I've been
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able to demonstrate that textually and everything. Hey, saw eighty three, they
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are describing what is happening at that
time. All right, So at this
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point, I'm just being honest with
you. I'm just getting more frustrated.
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I'm just getting more frustrated. I'm
just getting more frustrated. Let's see if
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you can hear when, if you
can hear when I'm about to get confronted
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with how utterly foolish and wrong I
was. It is also said that Hamas
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has above ten thousand missiles and it's
believed that the Egyptian military, And again
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it says it is believed and this
comes from military people and others undercovering all
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that, but nothing that is printed
as far as saying this is the actual
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legal proof. Now they may have
it, but some things that are documented
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are hidden. Now all of that's
just bizarre. They may have it,
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they may not. There's nothing actually
documented, but some things are documented are
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hidden. So then where did you
get your information from? And only that
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supposedly he's quoting from information from twenty
ten, it's twenty twenty four. So,
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like the whole thing is just bizarre
to me, Like, so I
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got this information, but it's hidden, but you got the where did you
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get the inform? Do you have
a military source? Do you have military
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intelligence that are faxing you? I'm
going to just use outdated, outdated technology.
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Did they facts? You? You
know? Military intelligence going here's the
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weapon capability and the military capability of
Hamas of Hesbelah, of Egypt, of
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rus like what so, like you're
a church that's receiving military intelligence. Look
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where did you get the information?
He doesn't cite a source. Now again,
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when I was listening this morning,
that's this is the way I was
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talking. I was getting irritated,
and I was getting frustrated. Okay,
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and so and guess what I wanted
to do. I wanted desperately to grab,
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you know, my iPad and just
start researching. Boom boom, boom
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boom? Is that true? Is
that true? Is that true? And
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then I wanted to turn on the
Then at least I thought, I thought
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about, then I'll just do a
broadcast going once again, we're in saw
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Maty three. But this has nothing
to do with saw Mady three and this
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is wrong and this is wrong,
and this is wrong and this is wrong
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and this is wrong. But then
I thought, you know what, I'm
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tired of doing that. I'm not
going to do that in any way,
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shape or form. But I but
I was like, Okay, be over
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in a couple of minutes, and
then I can just say I listened to
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it. And because I'm going to
listen to every one of these, just
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because I stated I was going to, I have to fulfill that obligation.
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Maybe it's one thing I can do, right, maybe you know I'll at
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least do that well. At some
point, though, something is going to
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be said that proves I'm an idiot. All right, are you ready?
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Here we go. Let's see if
you find it. Let's see if you
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can detect it first. And we
have that arm government. I mean,
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there's things on FBI files that we
don't know about it. Maybe there may
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be things about yourself, about me
on FBI files that I don't know what
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they say, but they're there.
But the Guitran military has more than all
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of these others I've just mentioned,
and with the nuclear capability of which they're
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afraid that in the wrong hands would
be a big problem. And with this
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Arab spring, it could be a
big problem. It I'm just so confused
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with this Arab spring. It could
be a big problem. The Arab spring
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is over. Okay, what what
do you what are we talking? I
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don't even understand. I don't even
understand. What do you mean? It
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could be you mean it possibly was
a big Like why are we even talking
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about the Arab Spring? What does
that have to do with P eighty three?
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And what is that gonna do with
twenty twenty four. Okay, now
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so you can hear my frustration.
Okay, so this is this is this
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is the way I was say.
I wasn't being godly, I was not
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being humble. I had not learned
that lesson that I should that I learned
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from all of my years and Bible
colleges is hey, hey, always be
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willing to admit that you're wrong,
Stay teachable, stay humble. Didn't become
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that, but it could have been. Okay, well, he said,
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okay, good thing he had got. He did admit. It didn't become
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that, but it could have.
Okay, So it didn't become that.
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Okay, great, thank you for
admitting it did not become that. None
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of this happened, none of the
none of the speculation happened. All right,
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So what has this got to do
with Psalm eighty three? Right?
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You're in the Arab spring thing,
but your government, our government released to
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Egypt, even though they were trying
to help the Ab spring in Egypt,
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they released to them two hundred million
just before Mwbari till he the he dedicateddate
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to Egypt. And I say we
I'm talking about America for military use.
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Okay, what has that got to
do with PSAW eighty three, America released
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two hundred million I'm assuming dollars to
Egypt prior to for military use prior to
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the Arab Spring. Okay, I
I don't understand it was that based off
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in the prior agreements? Like what's
what's I don't understand what the he's saying
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it in such a sinister way,
like so did are you saying America caused
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the Arab spring? Like what does
that got to do with SAW eighty three?
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See, but you see what my
temptation is here, right to look
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up all of this, to look
all of this up and go, no,
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well, this is not accurate,
this is not accurate, this and
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all like that, what is the
source in what you're quoting all this information
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from you? You're you've got this
source from somewhere? What is the source?
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Right? So like that, but
and again what does this have to
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do with SAW eighty three? But
but but but well have you have you
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detected the part where I was wrong? Yet? Yeah? Haven't? Okay,
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Well keep listening see if if you
hear it. Now, let's look
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at those four verses with that background
that, because how don't you see these
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things? And you know we have
hit these things. We've tried to hit
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it as clearly as we came.
Again, this goes back over ten years
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ago, and this is twenty twenty
four. I did this in twenty ten,
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presented in our church. You could
actually go to our website Central Baptistocala
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dot org. And when you scroll
down on that page and you look for
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sermons by Bible. You clicked onto
the Bible, go down to the Book
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of Psalms and click down to get
Psalms eighty three. You'll see all the
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sermons. You can hear all the
sermons I preached on Psalms eighty three.
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So it looks like he's utilizing information
from his sermons series in twenty ten,
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and in referencing that some of that
material. Now you already know my feelings
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about that. You should never use
past material. You should never use past
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notes in a present teaching, ever
under any circumstances ever, ever, ever,
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ever, ever, ever, because
if your past information was wrong,
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then that becomes present wrong. Don't
ever do that. You always study start
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over, brand new, afresh.
But some ways I want to go back
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and listen to everything he said in
twenty ten, just because because then I
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could connect it with the Arab Spring. Since he's making it about the Arab
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Spring, I wonder how much he
connected saw Maty three to the Arab Spring
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in twenty ten, and if he
did, well, did he get did
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he get all of that? Was
he gonna? I don't. I would
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be interesting to know if he said
it in twenty teny, Hey, the
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Arab spring is saw maybe three coming
go being fulfilled. I don't know what
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he did. I still don't.
I don't understand any of this, okay,
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but but what did he say where? I immediately realized that I'm the
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idiot. Let's see here and get
it before this radio series that we listen
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to it. But these first four
verses here he says, keep not thou
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silence, don't be mute. Now, this was baffling to me. He's
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in part twenty eight, and we're
going back to verse one, or this
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is he's part twenty five, Part
twenty five going back to first one.
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Like the whole structure of this is
just baffling beyond all comprehension to me.
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I just don't get the structure.
But okay, okay, okay, So
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we're back in verse one, all
right? Now, at this point.
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I got a little excited, right, so now my attitude started changing,
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right, forget all of that.
Let's not get into that. He's in
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the text all right now. Now
I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready.
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Let me let me see if I
can get something from this. Have
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you have you heard where I was
wrong yet? Have you? Have you?
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Okay, let's keep listening about this
is what he's saying. So he
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says, keep not silence, Oh
God, hold not thy peace, don't
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be death at what we're saying,
and be not still, don't refrain from
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helping. Oh God. Why does
he say Oh God twice here? Because
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he's approaching the Almighty God, not
to the false gods of those nations that's
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surrounding them right now. And this
is a call for God to judge the
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enemies of Israel. Now. The
theologians called this in precatory psalm. An
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imprecatory psalm is a one of a
prayer to God to invoke God's wrath on
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the wicked. At that very moment, I reached over him. Pause and
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like he called it in a precatory
song, no no, no, no,
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no, no no no no.
This is not an a precatory psalm.
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This is a communal lament, this
is a lament song. So immediately
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I was like, okay, I
is this one of the situations no one
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can agree if it's an imprecatory or
a lament. If we can't even agree
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if it's an imprecatory or a lament, well then that's once again, this
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demonstrates the impossibility of ever interpreting the
Bible. Okay. So I'm like,
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all right, well, let me
look this up. So I started looking
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up, and all of a sudden, I was like, I'm many idiots,
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gidiot, and literally I wanted to
just delete my podcast and like,
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I give up because even though I
did extensive research. In fact, I'm
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going to read some of the research
I did before, it appears that the
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majority call this an imprecatory psalm and
I did not. Now what makes me
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mad? If you go back and
listen I don't know which, maybe part
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one part two that I did at
Victory, a Baptist church. You can
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hear someone in the church. I
believe. I believe her name is Sarah.
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Sarah. I won't give the last
name. I believe she is the
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one who I think when I asked
what type of psalm. It is classified
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it as an imprecatory psalm. And
you hear me say no, it has
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elements of an imprecatory psalm, but
this is a lament psalm. So someone
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gave me the right answer and I
said no, which only in intensifies how
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stupid I feel today. I cannot
believe I got this wrong. As soon
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as he said I was gonna look
at I was gonna look it up to
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prove him wrong. Now, the
good thing is I was following my advice.
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You always have to be willing no
matter what you hear. You don't
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just immediately say someone is wrong.
You got to go do your own Before
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you can say someone is wrong,
You've got to go do the work to
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prove there. You can't say someone
is wrong until you prove they are wrong.
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If you haven't proved they're wrong,
you have no business saying they're wrong.
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I think that's a very good principle
to operate from. But I was,
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I really I was convinced, I'll
look this up, And immediately I
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started looking up, going what did
I do? Why did I call this
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a communal lament? Now, if
you'll remember, I'm going to go through
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some of my notes here. I'm
gonna go through some of my notes here
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really quick. All right. The
book of Psalms contains a variety of psalms
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that can be categorized into different types
based on their themes, structure, and
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purpose. All right, we have
a pray. We have the praise psalms
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are sometimes referred to as hymns.
These psalms focus on praising and glorifying God
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for his attributes, deeds, and
character. They often express There often include
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expressions of adoration, thanksgiving, and
exaltation. Examples of these would be Psalm
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eight some one hundred and Psalm one
fifty. These are praise psalms or hymns.
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The second kind. I'm gonna skip
to a second kind. We'll go.
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We'll call the next one the second
kind, even though it's not in
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my nose. Thanksgiving psalms. These
psalms give thanks to God for his goodness,
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faithfulness, and provision. They often
including recounting of past experiences of deliverance
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or answered prayers. This is Psalm
thirty some one hundred and Psalm one sixteen.
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We have what we call wisdom psalms. These psalms focus on imparting wisdom
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and moral teachings through poetry and metaphor. They often contrast the righteous and the
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wicked and emphasize the value of seeking
God's guidance. This would be Psalm one,
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Psalm thirty seven, Psalm one nineteen. All right, we have royal
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psalms. These psalms celebrate or pray
for the king or ruler of Israel and
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emphasizes the divine authority given to the
monarch. They often express confidence in God's
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protection and blessings upon the king.
Examples of these would be Psalm two,
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Psalm twenty, and Psalm seventy two. We have penitential psalms. These psalms
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focus on confession of sin, repentance, and seeking forgiveness from God. They
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express deep remorse and a desire for
restoration of relationship with God Psalm fifty one,
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Psalm thirty two, and Psalm one
thirty. Okay, so I went
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through all of those. All right, sounds really good, sounds academic.
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Everyone understands the different types of psalms. Great, well, I had two
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categories left. One is what I
referred to as or what is referred to
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as not just me lament psalms.
These psalms express sorrow, grief, distress,
488
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and a cry out to God for
help. They often include elements such
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as petition, complaint, please for
God's intervention. Some examples of these would
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be Psalm thirteen, Psalm twenty two, Psalm eighty eight, and I told
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everyone Psalm eighty three. And not
only did I call it a lament,
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I called it a communal lament because
other resources said that. In fact,
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one source. And I don't know
which commentary or dictionary I received this from,
494
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but Psalm eighty three is often classified
as a communal lament psalm. Communal
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lament psalms are prayers offered by a
community of people, such as the nation
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of Israel, rather than just an
individual. These psalms typically express a collective
497
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cry for help, deliverance, or
justice on behalf of the entire community.
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And Psalm eighty three, the palmist
calls on God to act against the enemies
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of Israel for threatening the nation.
The psalm describes the various nations conspiring against
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Israel and ask God to intervene on
behalf of the people. The intensity of
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the plea of God's protection and justice
aligns with the characteristics of a communal or
502
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a lament psalm, especially one that
reflects a communal concern. So I was
503
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like, this is this is a
lament palm, this is a element.
504
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I was convinced it was a lament
psalm right. In fact, there's a
505
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part of me that still wants to
make an argument that it is a lament
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sum because but the reason why is
because of verse one. And this really
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began to fit. And see what
happened is the research was was confirming my
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own bias. See my own bias
is what do I do with Psalm eighty
509
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three? Everybody wants to make this
about a war or this or that about
510
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something in the future, or or
going to second chronicles. That doesn't seem
511
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to it. But I knew what
I could do with it. Do not
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keep silent, Oh God, do
not hold your peace, and do not
513
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be still, Oh God. Now
immediately when I read that, I'm like,
514
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okay. Even in the New King
James, there's exclamation points thereafter Oh
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God. He says, this is
showing the intensity of the emotion of the
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plea. They are worried, they
are concerned, they are filled with distress,
517
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They're bothered, and Asaf is now
taking the concerns of the people and
518
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crying out to God and a communal
lament, and they're like, God,
519
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where are you? What are you
doing? Oh, here's what's going on.
520
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And then they lay out exactly why
they're filled with concern and why they
521
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are wondering where God is. And
even though they believe it a God in
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whom they cannot see, they're living
in circumstances which they can see, and
523
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those circumstances are making with in them
question where God is or his involvement or
524
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even his existence. And so it
all fit perfectly. Now, Yes,
525
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I understand that he describes the enemies, he he talk, he lists the
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enemies. He asked them to deal
with the enemies in the present as he
527
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had dealt with enemies in the past. And then I understand verse thirteen and
528
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following have a different characteristic. There
thirteen and following I agree is does not
529
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have a lament as much as it
has an imprecatory nature. So I felt
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this was a lament psalm with an
imprecatory section right, or at least elements
531
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of an imprecatory song, an imprecatory
psalm. If you do not know,
532
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is this these psalms contains prayer for
God's judgment and punishment upon the enemies of
533
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the psalmist or of God. They
express strong emotion of anger, frustration,
534
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and a desire for justice. Well, I felt that the lament part was
535
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found in verse one. That's truly
a lament. To me, that's not
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so much, Hey God destroy them. That's more like, God, where
537
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are you? I don't. This
is not like, hey, God kill
538
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them. This is more like God, could you bother to show up?
539
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Now? Yes, starting in verse
thirteen, very much an imprecatory section.
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Oh my God, make them like
the whirling dust, like the chef before
541
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the wind. But I so I
feel that the lament, the communal lament,
542
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captures the overall essence. But he
when he said in precatory, I
543
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was like, no, no,
no, no, no no. And
544
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I started looking it up. And
immediately what did I find? I found
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sources that went along with it.
In fact, I started I started looking
546
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up AI artificial intelligence, and the
chatbot said this. Psalm eighty three is
547
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generally classified as an imprecatory psalm rather
than a lament song. A precatory psalms
548
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are those in which the sammist calls
upon God to bring judgment or curses upon
549
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their enemies. These psalms are often
express express feelings of anger, frustration,
550
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a desire for justice against those who
have wronged the Ssawmist or the people of
551
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Israel, and Psalm eighty three pm
as pleased with God to act against the
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enemies of Israel. Lament psalms,
on the other hand, are characterized by
553
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expression of sorrow, morning or a
sense of being overwhelmed by suffering or injustice.
554
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The psalms often include petitions for help, expressions of trust in God,
555
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and declarations of faith in the midst
of difficult circumstances. And now see when
556
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I read that paragraph, I'm like, that's a Psalm eighty three is a
557
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lament, Okay. So there's a
part of me that wants to fight this.
558
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But I'm like, oh, so
I even got into an argument with
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Ai. So I was like,
Ai, I've asked you now a couple
560
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of times, and I know one
time you said it's a lament, and
561
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one time you said it's a precatory. So could you clarify Ai said this,
562
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I apologize for the confusion. Psalm
eighty three is often classified as a
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precatory psalm rather than a communal life
and precaratory psalms. And it goes on.
564
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It says, well, so many
three does contain elements of calling upon
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God to act against enemies. It
focuses more in evoking divine judgment and deliverance,
566
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so it says, rather than expressing
a communal cry for help or deliverance.
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I disagree. Look, there's a
part of me that wants to fight
568
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this. Oh I feel like it's
a communal lament and it fits better.
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The and precatory part is at the
end, and even the imprecatory part is
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I don't feel like it carries the
typically imprecatory is like destroy them, kill
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them. And there is a little
bit of this, like you know,
572
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basically make them like whirling dust,
like the chef as the fire burns.
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I understand it's got that language,
but immediately look what it does that they
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may seek your name. Oh Lord, Well, if you're saying, hey,
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do all of this, that they
may seek you, that doesn't sound
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like you're saying kill them. If
you're saying, hey, do all of
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these so they will seek you,
nobody is seeking you if they're dead.
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And then look at the next part, let them be confounded and dismayed forever,
579
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let them be put to shame,
and it says, and perish,
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but that they may know that you, whose name alone is the Lord.
581
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I think it's using very poetic,
strong language, but clearly what the Sammis
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really wants is for them to come
to know who the true God is,
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for them to be filled with shame. Like it sounds like to me that
584
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there's it takes the imprecatory nature and
almost what it pushes it back from being
585
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truly in precatory in my estimation.
To me, in precatory is like destroy
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them. They deserve to be destroyed. It's really an expression almost a frustration
587
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and anger. We're here. It's
more of Lord, please help us,
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Please, where are you? We
need you here? And I feel that
589
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it's a communal lament because it's all
of Israel. And then it goes on,
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hey, Lord, this is the
enemy, here's their name. Can
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you do now what you've done?
Then? And then there's a little bit
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of the expression of the anger.
But I think lament it can. I
593
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think the lament can it can express
that as well. Now the question is
594
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does it does it have a major
impact on how we interpret the song if
595
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we call it an imprecatory versus calling
it a lament, does it change how
596
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:32.559
you interpret the song? If we
classify it as a lament, how should
597
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:37.679
we interpret it? And if we
classify it as in precatory, how should
598
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.760
we interpret it? Now? I
don't know, I'm gonna do this in
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real time. I'm gonna ask Ai? Okay, okay, how would we
600
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interpret I'm gonna do this in real
time? Interpret p. Eighty three?
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If we classify it as a lament
palm? And how would we interpret it
602
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if we classify it as an imprecatory
If I can spell right, imprec a
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tory? There we go? In
precatory? Some thank you for Ai for
604
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telling me I was misspelling it.
Question Mark, enter, Let's see what
605
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it says. Are you ready?
What do you think? What is it
606
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going to impact our interpretation? Okay? Here we go? Are you ready?
607
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.960
When interpreting ssaw maybe three as a
lamit, some we would view it
608
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as a communal cry for help and
a deliverance on behalf of the entire nation
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of Israel. The psalmist representing the
community expresses a sense of urgency and desperation
610
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and seeking God's intervention against their enemies. The language used in the psalm would
611
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be seen as a plea for God's
protection favor in the face of external threats.
612
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On the other hand, if we
interpret Psalm eighty three as an imprecatory
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psalm, we would understand it as
a prayer calling upon God to bring judgment
614
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and curses upon the enemies of Israel. The Psawmist invokes divine wrath and punishment
615
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against those who seek to harm or
destroy the people of God, and this
616
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.119
interpretation, the psalm serves as a
plea for God's righteous vengeance and vindication.
617
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Regardless of the classification, whether as
a lament or as an imprecatory psalm,
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Psaw eighty three ultimately reflects the deep
faith and trust of the Psalmist and the
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community, and God's power to protect, defend, deliver them in times of
620
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trouble and adversity. Now, if
you hear that first part, when we
621
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interpret it as a lament psalm,
we would view it as a communal for
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help and a deliverance on behalf of
the entire nation of Israel. The Psawmist
623
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representing the community and expresses the Psalmist
representing the community of community expresses a sense
624
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:15.199
of urgency desperation, seeking God's intervention
against their enemies. The language used in
625
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the psalm would be seen as a
plea for God's protection, favor, and
626
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the face of external threats. That
is how I've been describing it so clearly.
627
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I have followed that interpretation because I
have seen it as a limit palm.
628
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If I see it as an impregatory
psalm, I well, even AI
629
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at least thinks I should probably then
approach it somewhat different. If I approach
630
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it, approach it as an a
precatory psalm, then I would understand it
631
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as a prayer calling upon God to
bring judgment and curse upon the enemies of
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Israel. It would be more about
they want these people destroyed. They're expressing
633
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their anger, their need for divine
wrath and punishment, and they want and
634
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.519
they're seeking, they want but those
who seek harm to be destroyed. And
635
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.000
this interpretation of Psalm services as a
plea for God's righteous vengeance and vindication.
636
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And I don't know if they want
vengeance and vindication as much as it seems
637
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like they want the people to come
to understand who the true God is.
638
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:22.199
So I think that that there's a
part of me that wants to argue,
639
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that that wants to argue. I
looked up number of sources, and almost
640
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all the sources that I looked up
today all said in precatory and precatory and
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precatory and practory. You're wrong,
You're wrong, You're wrong. I use
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multiple AI sources. I use the
Copilot Microsoft Copilot browser, and it gave
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me all of these sources, all
said in precatory, and I went with
644
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lament. Now, I think I
can defend my lament hypotheses, but I
645
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think I may be prone to defend
my lament hypotheses on the basis of the
646
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narrative I was creating to it.
So am I so committed to that narrative
647
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that I cannot admit that I'm wrong. Look, I'm going to admit that,
648
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at least it appears from most sources, I was one hundred percent wrong.
649
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.639
Now I feel bad that maybe that
I have been wrong in my entire
650
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interpretation of the song. Now you
know what I love to do. I'm
651
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going to place it in your hands. And now I'm frustrated that this he
652
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didn't even bother to classify this song. Doing it sounds like Part twenty six.
653
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Why wouldn't he doing this in part
one? I don't know. The
654
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whole thing is confusing, but it's
still on me. It's still on me.
655
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Do you think that I'm wrong and
that this is an imprecatory song or
656
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do you think it's justifiable based off
the text to classify it as a lament?
657
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And do you think it changes anything? AI believes that it changes it.
658
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It changes your approach to the text. If we approach If we approach
659
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it and saw many Somebody three is
an imprecatory song, then the way the
660
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person we're listening to, then he's
right. This is about them wanting these
661
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.440
enemies destroyed. And I see it
more as they're crying out to God and
662
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.760
they're confused that God hasn't done anything, and they're doing everything in their power
663
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to convince God. We need you
to do something because the situation is bad,
664
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and when you do something, we
want it to be done so that
665
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:43.159
they may seek you, so that
they may know you. That that,
666
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:47.519
to me is radically different than an
imprecatory sum That's my argument, But but
667
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.920
I feel well I'm saying it.
I was wrong. It looks like this
668
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should be classified as an imprecatory.
So now if you do research today and
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you and you can find a good
like fifty If you can find a fifty
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to fifty break with fifty percent say
lament, fifty percent say and precatory,
671
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well great, I'll feel somewhat vindicated. But at the same time I'm going
672
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to be very disturbed because ladies and
gentlemen, if we cannot even identify the
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type of psalm, the MiGs hermoneutics
the most subjective thing on the face of
674
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the earth. Now maybe that's a
little hyperbole, but it does bother me
675
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greatly. So what do you think? And precatory or lament. Let's finish
676
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reviewing the audio here and see what
he has to say. And an in
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precatory prayer is vindication for the purpose
and will of God, not necessarily a
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fleshly avenge, no, but to
honor God. The land belongs to Israel,
679
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and this is a call to God
to defend it, as it was
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God's gift and God's desire for Israel
to have it. Now you read the
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Bible and you can't see that.
Then again, if you went to Christian
682
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college, Sue the Christian College.
It's clear now I'm saying this to say
683
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this now here they are, they're
praying God to do something. I believe
684
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that God does lead us in prayer, sometimes in precatory praying. Somebody's trying
685
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to destroy the standards of your church. Somebody's trying to run down what the
686
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church is doing this right who?
That makes me a little nervous. Hey,
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someone's trying to destroy the standards of
your church, you do go full
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blown and precatory and ask them to
be destroyed. Man, that that's a
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little frightening. And then you would
ask, how does an imprecatory psalm fit
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with love your enemy, turn the
other cheek, resist not those who do
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evil? Is a precatory psalm more
of a national psalm under a theocratic monarchy?
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Or is it a precatory psalm for
us to use because someone is attacking
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the standards of our church? Hey, so hey, you look, we've
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got standards in this church about music
and you're coming in here and you're talking
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about you. I pray God that
they be killed. I don't I think
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it's a little I don't know,
that seems a little extreme to me.
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It's a little you want divine justice
and vengeance upon peep eye. Whoa,
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whoa, whoa. That makes me
a little nervous. Medical that's good.
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They make false accusations, Listen,
I'm a pastor. I have lived with
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all kinds of false accusations they come
in. I think one of the most
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unfortunate things. It's not so much
the false accusation, but have had stand
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at the bedside of people of their
last days, even close to their last
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breath, apologizing for the critical spirits, for their lives, for the things.
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I've seen people that have done that, and suddenly they're taken out of
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this world. Whoa. So you're
saying people died because they were critical of
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you and your ministry. Woo man
live and should we pray an imprecatory song
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because someone is critical of our ministry. I can promise you this for all
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those who are critical of me,
and you could accuse me, make accusations,
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may even be able to prove your
accusations or critical of me. I'm
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never going to pray for anyone's demise
or death. I mean, I get
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some serious I get emails that may
threaten me, but I'm not going to
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pray for anyone's death or destruction or
an imprecatory psalm. What I think I'm
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supposed to do is love my enemy
if if I have done wrong, and
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hopefully I would admit that I have
done wrong, hopefully hopefully. I mean,
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I'm an ungodly person, so you
know, maybe I wouldn't. I
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don't know, but that's that seems
crazy to me. Like, if we're
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going to apply the imprecatory that God
will sometimes lead us into an imprecatory song.
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Well there's God leading outside of the
Bible again. Do you think in
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precatory psalms belong under the kind of
the concept of a theocratic monarchy where God
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is kind of governing controlling Israel,
and Israel can play pray for the destruction
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of their enemies. This God specifically
promised in many cases to destroy their enemies
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in certain situations. I mean,
like, I don't man, that that
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makes me. That makes me a
little nervous. I don't know they've died.
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It just seemed like God was shown
me there's a person. It could
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have brought damage not just to you, but to the church to so much,
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and God took them on out.
I believe that I believe that that
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person could have done damage to you
and to your church, and God took
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them out. Ladies and gentlemen,
if God's going to step in and start
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killing people who's a threat to your
church, then by all means, stop
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the nonsense of having guns and security
teams. If God's going to take people
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out who are critical of your church
and ministry, if God's going to start
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killing people like that, then please
stop locking your front door and stop worrying
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about guns. Stop being so pro
gone. You've got God who kills people
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on your behalf, and there is
no joy for me if God takes a
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person out. Want of people have
apologized to me. I was thankful they
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apologize under death bed and I didn't
need confront about what they've done. God
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evidently had confronted them. I was
thankful I could say, oh, listen,
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that's the past we're going to see
in heaven. You think maybe what
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you would do would be like God, God, God, if you're killing
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this person for me, could you
can maybe you stop? Maybe maybe you
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heal them. Maybe maybe I don't
know, Lord, Hey, I don't
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want them to die, I said, being thankful they're apologizing. Maybe you're
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like God. No no, no, no, no no no, no,
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no no, don't kill them.
Don't don't if you're perceiving that God
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is killing them because they were critical
of you. I don't know. I
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know this is the whole thing here. Gets a little nervous, and we're
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going to rejoice together in the glory
and salvation of God. But you know
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that those are things that are to
come. But yes, we need to
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pray for the defeat of that which
seeks to corrupt the local church. I
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think churches and Christians should have been
having prayer meetings about the contemporary movement and
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01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.480
its filth and it's moving to the
churches. No way. Okay. Now,
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if you're just asking for something that
is going against Christianity to be defeated,
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okay, then then that's not I
don't feel that that's an mprecatory salm,
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and precatory is asking for destruction for
defeat. In fact, let me
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if I go back, I'm gonna
go back to my notes because let's okay,
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I'm gonna look here at some in
precatory psalms. Okay, see here
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is this a precatory psalm. Let's
see here is this classified as a precatory
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01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.840
song. I don't know if this
is a preparatory song. Hang on,
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let me look here. Uh,
there's a lot of parts here that I
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don't know if they would be Okay, Yeah, here, maybe here's a
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little bit of an imprecatory part.
This is part of Psalm sixty nine.
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Let their table become a snare before
them, and they're well being a trap.
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Let their eyes be darkened so that
they do not see. Make their
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loins shake continually. Pour out your
indignation upon them. Let your wrathful anger
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take hold of them. Let their
dwelling place be desolate. Let no one
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live in their tents, for they
persecute the ones you have struck. And
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talk of the grief of those you
have wounded an iniquity to their iniquity,
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let them not come into your righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the
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book of the Living. Okay,
Now, if you're talking about in a
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precatory palm, that seems a precatory
psalm basically is I want them dead now.
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So the contemporary movement comes unto the
church and you want to I mean,
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if you just want it to be
defeated. But you're utilizing the imprecatory
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Psalm as an example, Are you
just saying the imprecatory psalm teaches us to
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pray against our enemies, simply seeking
their defeat, and that's it. Then
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okay, I'm in agreement if you're
saying for them to die because you don't
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agree with the way they do church. See, the imprecatory has a very
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specific connotation to me. All right, now, you can look up,
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you can probably look online a list
of imprecatory psalms, read all the imprecatory
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psalms and see what you find.
But let let's finish this up. It's
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replacement of the Word of God with
psychology and philosophy instead of just as it
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is to men as they are Bible
preaching. And so if you walk with
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01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.960
God, you read God's word is
through his word, God will show you
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the things that you should pray for
and things you should pray against. Now
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notice again with me, Now see
I'm in a complete agreement. The Bible
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01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.960
would tell you what to pray for
and what to pray against. Now we're
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I'm all for that. I just
don't know when you say in precatory,
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I mean his whole point was trying
to use them precatory as something we should
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do on precatory is more than just
praying against your praying for the total annihilation
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and destruction of people to die.
Okay, that's that. I think that
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falls under a theocratic monarchy personally.
Right here in verse two, it says
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for low thine enemies make a tumult, and they that hate thee have lifted
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up the head. Now they are
people that hate anything has to do with
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01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:45.000
God. Our first Congress decreed that
Bibles should be put in every school.
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Then we had a Supreme Court who
decided to vote against God and against your
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01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:57.280
first US Congress and basically your Constitution, to say, let's take the Bible
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out of the schools. And aren't
this feel so much more safe today since
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01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:06.400
you remove God and prayer and the
Bible out of that. Oh, in
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01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:12.239
the name of bubblegum, nobody took
the Bible and prayer out of school.
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Any kid can bring their Bible to
school and read it at the appropriate time,
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study hall, free time, lunch, They can pray twenty four The
801
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:30.039
kids can pray whenever they want.
What you want is a mandatory Bible being
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put there by the school. And
you see it goes against the constitution,
803
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:39.320
has a separation, the idea of
some kind of a separation. We do
804
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not want a state mandated church.
We don't want that. It's a public
805
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:47.079
school. If you want a Christian
school, open one. If you want
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01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:51.679
the public school, it has to
be public, meaning open for all those
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who are Christian and who aren't Christian. And if you're going to demand the
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Bible, well then why can't some
demand the Satanic Bible or the Quran.
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The whole thing is ridiculous. You
could carry any any teenager can carry their
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Bible to school. They can't just
read it in the middle of math class,
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but they can read it whenever they
have free time. And if they
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want to pray, they can pray
whenever they can. They can they can
813
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.880
they can be praying with their eyes
wide open looking at everyone. They can
814
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.159
be pray. They can pray for
all they can get to. They could
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stop by your church. You could
have the doors open at at seven thirty
816
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in the morning. They could stop
by on the way to school to pray.
817
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:33.679
They can pray whenever they want.
But you want someone making them leading
818
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:40.880
them in. It drives me so
crazy, like churches will be closed for
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anything. Their youth group is an
absolute joke. It's fun, food and
820
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:49.360
activity. Well, hey have have
Bible classes for the teenagers Monday, Tuesday,
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Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday in the morning and the
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afternoon and after school. Hey have
prayer time for the teenagers Sunday, Monday,
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Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Oh
no, we don't want the church
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to do it. You want the
school to do it. That's a joke.
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Okay. And I don't know what
any of this has to do with
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PSA eighty three, but okay,
you know, I grew up in school
827
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and don't ever remember a shooting in
school. I don't remember teachers trying to
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lead us against our parents and against
our country. But verse two says for
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low thine enemies make a tumult,
and they that hate thee have lifted up
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the head. Now the tumult is
allowed uproar. Other words, you're going
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to make it knowing, Oh,
this is bad. These people are praying
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in the church, These people are
praying it in schools. These people are
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actually talking about Jesus in a good
way. I actually had a one of
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our teachers that in our Sunday school
who was working with some of the Spanish
835
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kids. I was talking about having
a witness at school, and one students
836
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said, we're only allowed to use
the name Jesus as a cuss word.
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We cannot say it as something good. Now was that? So? I
838
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:21.199
don't know? Students in a public
school and they just said, Hey,
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I don't know if this is true, but a teenager said it. So
840
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I don't know if it's true,
but I'm going to say that in a
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certain public school. Hey, give
me the name of the public school.
842
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:34.279
I would love to call the public
school and say, according to this preacher,
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01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:39.560
hey, you kids can only say
Jesus if they use it as a
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01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:42.960
cuss word. They can't say Jesus
in a positive way. Is this a
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school policy? Can you explain when
this occurred? Can you explain? I
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01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.560
would love to, But we don't
have the name of the school, so
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01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:53.319
we can't verify. And he hasn't
verified it. He doesn't even know if
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it's true. He just knows some
teenagers said it. Man, you know,
849
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if we want to use teenagers as
a source of truth. But okay,
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I mean, you go right ahead. I question myself much more.
851
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:14.359
I question myself enough. I don't
know if I want to add teenagers to
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01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:19.439
my list of resources that I'm going
to trust. And I'm allowed to use
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the name of Jesus in a good
way. And I guess the other students
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01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:29.840
that were with him agreed. So
you see here they hate THEE. They
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lifted up the head. Now the
two moults the loud uproar. They want
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to turn others against them, and
so they start speak to others to turn
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nations against them. And the rest
of verse two says, they that hate
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01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:58.800
THEE, that is, they that
hate God, They that hate THEE,
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that hate God, Jehovah have lift
up the heads. This is your radio,
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pastor, pastor, there we go. I wanted to play the rest
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only because I didn't want to be
accused of taking anything out of context.
862
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The purpose of all of that was
even though and I do want to use
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01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:21.520
this as a learning example here,
I disagree with a lot of that,
864
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:26.640
as you can hear, I've got
some issues. But even though I disagreed,
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I was confronted today by listening to
that with my classification of Psalm eighty
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three as being a communal lament,
and he made it clear that it's an
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imprecatory song. Now I have given
you. I went through all the different
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types of songs. I've tried to
argue a little bit for the reason why
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I went with a lament psalm.
I've tried to read to you from different
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sources. I've told you, we've
looked in real time, we consulted AI,
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01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.279
and AI makes an argument that if
you go with a lament song,
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you will interpret it one way.
If you go with it as an imprecatory
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01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:05.239
psalm, you will interpret it another
way. Clearly, I've interpreted it more
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01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:11.279
and long as a lament, and
now I've laid it all out. I've
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01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:15.800
admitted that I'm wrong because so far
the majority of sources seem to say it's
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an imprecatory I'm confused by that.
But as of right now, I'm going
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to say I was wrong and we
will see. And now I hand it
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01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.319
to you. This is what I
love doing on this podcast is we work
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01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.960
on these issues together. So do
your research. Is SAW eighty three a
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communal lament or is it imprecatory.
If it's a communal lament, how would
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01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:41.079
you interpret it. If it's an
imprecatory how would you interpret it? And
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01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:47.359
if it's an imprecatory that has all
of my teaching on PSAW eighty three up
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01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:55.000
to this point been absolutely in error. If so, then I will acknowledge
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01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:59.600
that and correct it to the best
of my ability. Personally, I would
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01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:01.520
have all hard time. I'm just
being honest with you, and maybe because
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01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.000
I'm so far into this now that
it's hard to back up, I would
887
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:09.520
have a hard time at this point
going back oversaw mayighty three and doing it
888
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:14.560
more like an imprecatory because even when
they ask for judgment, it doesn't feel
889
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:18.239
to reach the imprecatory level. It
seems like as soon as it starts getting
890
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.319
close to that unprecatory level, they
seem to pull back and like, hey,
891
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:24.920
hey, hey, you know,
hey, we just want them to
892
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:30.239
again, We want them to seek
you, we want them to know you.
893
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:34.880
All right, Well, people can't
seek you and know you if they're
894
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:40.520
dead. So that's that's why I
went more with a lament I did,
895
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:44.399
and I believe it starts with clearly
a lament God, where are you,
896
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:49.439
and then outlines why they're so concerned
and why they need God's intervention. So
897
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:55.239
I feel like it has much more
of a lament feel than an imprecatory fiel.
898
01:12:55.560 --> 01:13:00.000
But obviously most people disagree with me, and I got no problem acknowledge
899
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:01.800
that I am wrong. So I'm
going to say I'm wrong for now.
900
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:05.880
I could change my mind and go
back, you know what I'm gonna In
901
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:09.119
fact, my original intent was just
say, look, I was wrong.
902
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:12.039
But I want you to learn,
even in a message, even in sermons
903
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:16.920
where you may disagree, don't ever
allow yourself just to stop listening. Always
904
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:21.399
keep listening and gain what you can, and always be willing to admit that
905
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:26.520
you were wrong, and always be
willing to change your view when you hear.
906
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.439
And as you're a lung, we
have to remain humble and teachable,
907
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:31.399
and we got to be able to
admit that we're wrong. I feel like
908
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:36.039
I blew it here. I don't
know why I look, I don't know
909
01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:43.119
why I never questioned my lament hypotheses. I don't know why. But I
910
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:45.239
think I was wrong. I think
maybe this is an a precatory sum,
911
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:48.399
and I think maybe the tone of
it should be different than the way I've
912
01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:53.000
presented it. I'm willing to work
on that, but I hand it to
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01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:57.000
you. So your job is to
do see what you can find and then
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email me news. I yahud,
that's NEWSI f at yahoo dot com.
915
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:11.520
Now, the funny part is I
said when I right before I got ready
916
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:13.800
to do this broadcast, I'm like, you know, this will be about
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01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.359
thirty minutes and then I could get
to the thing the other things I need
918
01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:19.720
to do that are much longer today, there's some other things we need to
919
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:27.000
talk about that are mutt that and
well this went seventy four minutes. So
920
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.680
yeah, I was wrong about that
as well. Right, a day of
921
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:36.880
being wrong. All right, Well
there we go. Hopefully, Hey,
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01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:40.960
the one thing it does, it
adds more discussion about Psalm eighty three.
923
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:45.359
But by the time, look,
we went into summer twenty twenty three thinking
924
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:48.840
we're going to be focusing proverbs,
proverbs, proverbs, proverbs, and inevitably
925
01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:54.319
this has turned into the summer of
Psalm eighty three. You'll always remember the
926
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:59.279
summer of twenty twenty four, not
the summer of sixty nine. Get it,
927
01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:00.760
get it, Okay, music fans
know what I'm talking about, all
928
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:05.520
right, not the summer of sixty
nine, But the summer of twenty twenty
929
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:11.560
four became the summer of Psalm eighty
three. I don't know if it's going
930
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:14.800
to be of any spiritual benefit to
any of us, but we definitely have
931
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done the work on it. Thanks
for listening everyone, have a great day. God bless
