June 27, 2024
Psalm 83: How Many Parts?
We return to the series that started our entire study of Psalm 83
We return to the series that started our entire study of Psalm 83
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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast,
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making Theology Central. How many parts? Wait, you're telling me they're
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adding even more parts? No,
no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, you
have to be joking. Right, wait,
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there's now twenty parts, twenty parts? Are you no? Come on?
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Ok? Let me count them.
Let me count them all right?
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You see, there's part one,
there's part two. There's part three.
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There's Part four. There's Part five. There's part six, there's part seven,
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there's part eight, there's part nine, there's part ten. There's part
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eleven. Well, part twelve.
They changed the title. Why did they
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change the title? Okay, now
Part twelve, Part thirteen, Part fourteen,
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Part fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen nineteen, And just a few
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hours ago they added part twenty.
Okay, something is going on. We
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need to pay attention to it now. I say all of that, but
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what I really need to do first
and foremost is offer our introduction. Good
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morning everyone. It is Thursday,
June the twenty seventh, twenty twenty four.
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It is currently ten fifty am Central
Time, and I am coming to
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you live from the Theology Central studio
located right here in Abilene, Texas.
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Now, I know you may be
asking parts to what, twenty parts to
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what? What are you referring to
twenty parts of what? Well, if
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you remember, it was a week
ago. Two weeks ago, I spent
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the day in my car driving different
places, taking people to certain locations,
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waiting for them, picking up people, bringing them to a different location.
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I was doing a lot of driving, and so I grabbed my iPad and
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I'm like, okay, well i'm
driving around, let's listen to some sermons
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on the sermons two point oh app
right, because that's what we're doing in
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twenty twenty four. So I downloaded
a number of sermons and one of those
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sermons was entitled the Coming Middle East
War Part one, The Coming Middle East
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War Part one. Now, the
fact that it said the Coming Middle East
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War, it immediately caught my attention. Right, we're doing a series on
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eschatology. This is about some coming
Middle East war. So I'm assuming it's
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gonna have something to do with eschatology. Maybe I could utilize it in that
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series. Okay, this should be
good. What do they think is the
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coming Middle East War? When do
they think is going to happen? What
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scripture. Do they believe teaches this
coming Middle East War? I was intrigued.
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I hit play on it, and
then I was really even more intrigued
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because the full title was Psalm eighty
three the Coming Middle East War. And
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immediately I was like, wait a
minute, wait a minute. They believe
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Psal eighty three teaches of a coming
Middle East war in other words, coming
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even for us, not for the
not for the original author or the original
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recipients, but but really future for
us. In other words, it could
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have been future for them and now
be passed for us. But no,
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no, no, that Psaw May
three was describing a war that was well
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beyond the time of the original recipients
and the original author. It's future for
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even us. And I'm like,
well that that is okay. I've read
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Psalm eighty three so many times.
Okay. So immediately, as soon as
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I could, I got here into
the studio, we turned on the microphone,
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or I turned on the microphone,
and I went live to tell you
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about the series, and I told
you to go listen to it, go
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download it, and we started reviewing
messages. We found ourselves, at least
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for me even more con well.
I went from intrigued, interested, to
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confused, and just not understanding because
it was a series on SSAW eighty three
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that coming Middle East War, but
in the ones we reviewed, they never
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really talked about a coming Middle East
war. They started talking about all kinds
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of things like rock music and how
women dress, and it's like all this,
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like what, I didn't even understand
what was going on. It was
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so it was so confusing, right, so I decided, you know what,
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I told everyone, go listen to
the series, download the series to
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see where they go with it.
But I'm like, you know what,
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I don't understand what they're doing with
SAW eighty three, but we'll start something
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on SAW maty three. We instead
of just getting frustrated or just being you
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know, negative, let's be grateful
that they put forth a sermon series on
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SAW eighty three. I don't understand
what they're doing with it, but that's
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instead of being negative, we'll turn
it into something positive and we'll put forth
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our own study on PSAW maty three, and we have been working on that.
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We have reviewed other sermons on PSAW
Maady three, which only added at
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least for me, more frustration,
more confusion, because they like they would
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say one thing and I'm like,
well, that's not even the way,
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that's not even true, and it
just oh it was. So it's maddening,
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so maddening trying to listen to the
sermons on saw Maty three. So
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I think we've done a pretty good
job. So I kind of, you
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know, I'm still working on psaw
Maity three at Victory Baptist Church. We'll
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be doing more teaching on saw Maty
three next Sunday or this coming Sunday,
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so you know, I can,
I can look at everything and go Okay.
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It kind of started frustrating, it
kind of got confusing, but I
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think we're making it into something positive. And then I noticed in my my
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sermon's two point oh app in my
feed. Well, they keep adding messages
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to this series. And what's weird
is they changed the title. It went
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from Saw eighty three The Coming Middle
East War for Part one, Part two,
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Part three, Part four, Part
five, six, seven, eight,
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nine, ten eleven, and then
with Part twelve they dropped Saw eighty
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three The Coming Middle East War,
and then the starting part twelve it just
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becomes Psalm eighty three, Saw eighty
three Part twelve, Saw eighty three Part
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thirteen, Saw eighty three Part fourteen, all the way up to what they
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dropped today was Part twenty. They've
done twenty parts now. On one hand,
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man, I'm impressed. I got
nothing but respect that a church will
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use the technology available to them and
spend twenty episodes of their podcast slash radio
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broadcasts to talk about Saw eighty three. I've got nothing but respect with that.
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For that, I'm impressed. I
think that's awesome. I think that's
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amazing. Everyone should go listen to
it. Everyone should follow the series and
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listen to every single message. Even
if I disagree with every word that was
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said, I'm not saying I do, But even if I did, I
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still would want you to go listen
to it, because that's twenty parts of
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you hearing someone trying to give their
hypotheses, their perspective and their theory on
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SAW eighty three. Now and you
can also be listening to my discussion on
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Saw eighty three, and then you
get maybe two very different perspectives. You
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may find that frustrating, just as
I get frustrated with that, but hopefully
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through the frustration, by the time
it's all said and done, you're gonna
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know Saw eighty three better than you
did when when twenty twenty four started,
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right, so hopefully we can accomplish
something. But I felt like, so
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what do I do? I mean? I told everyone about this series right
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again, it's SAW eighty three.
Doctor Andy Bloom is the name, and
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you can just if you want to
find the series. The best way to
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find the series is just type in
and the search engine on the sermon's two
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point oh app Saw eighty three the
coming Middle East War, and then you
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should be able to find it relatively
quick, all right, and then you
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can subscribe to the whole series,
and I would challenge you to listen to
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all of them. But I had
to make a decision. So what do
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I do? I mean, that's
the series that started everything. That's the
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sermons series or the podcast series that
sparked our entire work on SAW eighty three.
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So do I just ignore it?
Or do I say, well,
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I've already told the people about it. Do I just turn on the microphone
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and go, hey, guys,
they're up to part twenty. Go listen,
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all right, thank you for listening
today. I could just do a
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quick, like, you know,
public service announcement. I could just do
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a you know, a FYI for
your information and be done. But you
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know, I get frustrated with those
kinds of broadcast even though I do them,
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because I just feel like I need
to do more. So I thought,
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you know what, let's just grab
one of them. So I grabbed
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or grabbed the audio of one of
them. I grabbed Part five. Let's
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just jump to part five and see
what they're doing with SAW eighty three.
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We reviewed, I believe part one. In part two we kind of,
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at least for me, I became
kind of frustrated. So then we just
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left it. Let's jump to part
five and kind of see what's going on.
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I mean, they go twenty parts
on it. So I'm fascinated because
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if you look at SAW eighty three, like, I don't know, how
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do you get I mean, I
don't know, twenty parts. There's a
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lot of it that's pretty straightforward.
I don't know, there's eighteen verses,
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so they've got more parts than there
are verses. Well, okay, what
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that makes some sense? Right?
Okay, because your introductory material in SAW
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eighty three could take up two messages, right, you know, background,
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historical, context, outline, which
we've done all of that. Now the
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weird part though. Remember when we
started reviewing their part one and Part two,
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they didn't provide an outline. Really, they didn't provide any historical context.
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They it was really their whole approach
has been I just don't understand their
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approach. But that's okay, that's
okay. I don't have to understand it.
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So let's at least I mean,
I just feel like we have to
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kind of revisit and see what they're
doing. Right, So we've reviewed part
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one and two, so that means
we're skipping three and four. We're just
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going to jump to five and we're
just going to see what's going on.
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We're just gonna see, all right, we're just going to do this in
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real time. I don't know what's
about to happen. Maybe this will be
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beneficial, maybe we'll not. Do
I need to read Psaw eighty three to
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you? Do I need to read
Psalm eighty three to you? Or do
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you remember it? Let me read
it to you really quick? Saw eighty
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three a song a psalm of asaf
right. Do not keep silent, Oh
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God, do not hold your peace, and do not be still, Oh
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God, for behold your enemies.
Make a tumult, and those who hate
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you have lifted up their head.
They have taken crafty counsel against your people
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and consulted together against your sheltered ones. They have said, come, let
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us cut them off from being a
nation, that the name of Israel may
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be remembered no more. For they
have consulted together with one consent, they
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form a confederacy against you, the
Tints of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab
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and the Hagrites Gibal emmon Ammelek Felistia
with the inhabitants of Tire. Assyria also
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has joined with them. They have
helped the children of Lot deal with them,
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as with Midian, as with Cicera, as with Jabin at the brook
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of Kishan, who perished at Indore, who became as refuge on the refuse
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on the earth. If I don't
lose my voice, make the nobles like
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Oreb and like zeb Yet, all
their princes, like Zeba and Zalmuna,
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who said, let us take for
ourselves the pastures of God for a possession.
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Oh my God, make them like
the whirling dust, like the chaff
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before the wind, as the fire
burns the woods, as the flame sets
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the mountains on fire. So pursue
them with your tempest and frighten them with
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your storm. Fill their faces with
shame, that they may seek your name,
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O Lord, let them be confounded
and dismayed forever. Yes, let
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them be put to shame and perish, that they may know that you,
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whose name alone is the Lord,
are the most high over all the earth.
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Now we have worked on this chapter, I feel like for Sola,
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so many hours have been dedicated to
it. The main thing I want to
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continually to point out is Psal three
is clearly the psalmist is speaking of a
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situation that is occurring at that time. There is a there is a threat
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at that time. So Asaf composes
a communal lament to cry out to God
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that they are confused, they're worried. They I mean they are they are
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possibly fearful of their situation, and
they're asking God to stop being silent to
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intervene, because obviously this implies God
had been silent, he had not intervened,
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and they are gravely concerned. And
Asaf is kind of like the worship
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leader, and he composes this communal
lament. Remember we had a sermon that
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tried to say that This was fulfilled
in second Chronicles twenty, but that began
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to kind of fall apart. In
fact, the pastor said that King Jehosephact
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called in Asaf. Well, we
know that that's just absolutely not true because
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Asaf was dead. So a lot
of this sermons. One of the things
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that's been frustrating is a lot of
the sermons we've listen to on SAW eighty
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three, there's just no way to
look. I just have to say this,
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They've just been absolutely factually an error. They've made claims about some of
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these groups or some of these people
that was just absolutely not true. Like
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they completely just fraudulent information. There's
no way they get around it, just
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fraudulent information. In many cases,
they wouldn't even cite a source, and
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then many of the sources they cited, you're like, where where did you
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found a website called what we?
And then you would just look up any
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kind of more respected resource and it
would completely contradict what they said. It's
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been very frustrating right to hear such
bad information. So I don't know what
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else to do. Like, I
know we're focusing on Joshua one eighth this
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week, but I feel like we
have to go back. I feel like
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we have to, don't we,
right, I mean, we got to
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go go back to this sermon series
that sparked this entire discussion. They're up
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to part twenty. We've got to
revisit it. So we're gonna go back
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to their part five again. We
reviewed part one and two. We're skipping
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three and four. We're just jumping
to five. I have no idea what
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they're gonna be discussing. We're just
gonna jump in and see where we are.
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Okay, Now, I have listened
to a little bit of this,
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so to be fair, I do
know what they start discussing at the beginning.
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I do know what they start discussing
at the beginning, all right,
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Yeah, which I'm not gonna mention, but I will put it this way.
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I was a little confused again and
just like what I don't understand?
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So are you ready for this?
Here we go. This should be interesting.
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I know it's Joshua one eight,
but we're gonna interrupt our Joshua one
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eight to go figure out how many
parts? Wait twenty? Okay, what's
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going on? Let's go back to
part five and see what was happening.
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Here we go the word is a
lamp onto my feet and a light onto
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my path. This is Garynron welcoming
you to the Lamp and Light broadcast coming
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to you from the studios of Central
Baptist Church in Beautiful O'calla, Florida.
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Lamp and Light is a ministry taking
a book of the Bible, verse by
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verse, teaching as it is to
men as they are, without compromise or
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apology, speaking the truth and love, and our purpose is to give the
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lamp and light to all. Yesterday, in our study of Psalm eighty three,
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doctor Bloom was explaining where the word
rapture came from. Okay, a
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couple of things. First of all, you should subscribe to them. You
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should follow it, right I think. I mean, I love the fact
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that this church has basically a radio
program. They have their own studio,
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and they're putting out this content day
in and day out where they're going through
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basically, you know, scripture.
I love that. I got nothing but
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respect for that. I may disagree
with some of their perspectives, but I
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just love when churches are using technology
that is available to them to get their
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teaching, to get their perspective,
to get their hypotheses on scripture out there
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so that the rest of us can
be challenged by it. I mean,
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look what they've started by using their
technology. They've started our lengthy discussion on
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Psaw eighty three. So there's nothing. I've got nothing but positive to say
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about everything that they're doing. My
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a hermeneutical perspective, from an exegetical
perspective, how they're handling the text.
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And when they just tell me that
we're getting ready to talk about the rapture,
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I'm even more confused. Where is
the rapture in Psalm eighty three?
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Like, I don't understand, I
don't understand. I don't think I've heard
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a sermon yet where I understand what
in the world they're doing with Saw eighty
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three. I'm just like, as
as frustrated as I am with all the
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sermons on Joshua one to eight,
it may be even more confusing and confound
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at least Joshua one to eight,
that's almost every at least all the sermons
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are in agreement that they all handle
it basically the same way. I think
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the way they handle it is as
a travesty. Okay, but at least
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there's consistency. What frustrates me with
Saw eighty three is like this pastor says,
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no, it was fulfilled in second
chronicles, and this pastor says,
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no, it was nineteen sixty seven, No, it was nineteen forty eight.
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No, it's coming, And it's
like, wa, wait what wait,
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what is happening here? You know, when you have a pastor telling
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you that King JOSEPHACT called an Asaf, well that's frustrating considering Asaf was dead.
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Okay, that's really frustrating. So
when you just and when they start
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saying, well, this represents this
country and you start looking up things like
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that is not even one, that's
not even a little bit accurate. Those
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things drive me crazy. So now, how did they get to a discussion
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about the rapture in saw maty three? I am so confused. I am
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so confused. But hey, you
know, let's let's learn a little bit
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about the rapture if you if you, I know, in eschatology there are
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those who hold the one and there
are those who don't. I'm not here
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to get into a rapture debate.
I'm trying to get into a hermoneutical discussion.
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How in the world. Did you
get to the rapture and saw eighty
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three that was currently talking about a
conflict that was happening at the time of
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Asaf who was the worship leader mainly
during the king of the time of David
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into the reign of Solomon. So
I don't know he's talking about a situation
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at that time. I don't,
I don't, I don't understand. All
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right, but here we go.
Let's resume with that discussion today. Now
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here's our teacher and pastor, doctor
Andy Bloom addition for the ble yes,
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and I do find it. Look, their intro is awesome, their intro
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is well produced. Whoever produced their
intro, it's great. The voiceover is
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good, the music is good.
But and the Bible says, and the
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Bible says, ladies and gentlemen,
that should be all you care about is
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what does the Bible say? And
we determined what the Bible says by the
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words that are used. And we
understand the words that are used first based
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off their historical context, then their
textual context, and then the actual just
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the way you understand words, definitions
and how they're structured and put together.
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So I love that the Bible says, as the song goes there, that's
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amazing. We should care about what
the Bible says. What I am perplexed
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by is how everyone goes to Saw
eighty three and seems to find something that
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I don't think the Bible actually says. That is where I'm confused. But
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let's let's see what happens here.
But there is a tribulation that is going
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to come upon this earth. So
now the Christians will be caught up,
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and what we call is the rapture. Now I've had men try to argue
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with me and say, well,
the word rapture is not in the Bible.
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And where the word raptor comes from, you see, it's actually in
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first Thessalonians. We read they'll be
caught up. Caught up is a Greek
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word that has the idea of snatched
out. The Latins changed tried to change
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things a little bit, and so
they use the word raptura, which is
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the same definition though of caught up. Is just like they're trying to translated
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into their language. But no,
it's not in English rapture, but it
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is got the right terminology caught up
because we're caught up. How in a
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moment in the twinkling by at the
last trump, for the trump shall sound,
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and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. Yes, a rapture is coming.
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It could be at any moment.
As a matter of fact, I'm
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recording this right now. But to
be quite honest with you here it is
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the second to the last day of
February of twenty twenty four. And there
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may be people out there that we'll
never get to hear it, or they'll
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hear it. But we've been raptured
out maybe the day before the day after,
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and you've been left behind station on
automatic played that sermon there will be
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a war with Russia and that coming
tribulation. Okay, now, remember this
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is a part of a series on
Psaw eighty three. So we got a
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rapture. I know we got a
coming war with Russia. I ladies and
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gentlemen, I just don't know what
to say. I'm gonna let this.
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I mean, obviously we're gonna finish
this. I'm just perplexed. How what
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has any of this got to do
with Psalm eighty three. I'm just don't
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understand Psalm eighty three. Remember this
entire thing started because I was confused by
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when it said Saw maity three,
the coming Middle East War. Now it's
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Saw eighty three, the coming rapture, Saw eighty three, the coming war
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with Russia. I just don't I
am just perplexed. But maybe maybe maybe
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I'm allowing my past confusion to impact
my present listening. So I need to
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just let this play out, see
how this dive, because maybe it's all
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going to make sense here in a
minute. And not only that, that's
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at the beginning, by the way, and near the end, a military
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campaign that is headed towards armageddon when
the kings of the East, I believe
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that those are the Asian Eastern countries
are coming in at them. You and
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I, if you're saved. When
I say you and I, I'm saying
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I'm saved, You're saved, You
and I we will return with Jesus Christ
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at the end of the tribulation.
It's so, how does Psalm eighty three
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lead to dealing with basic elements of
a certain system of eschatology? This sounds
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like a basically premal, dispensational view
of eschatology. How does Saw eighty three
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lead to this discussion? I just
don't understand. He's mentioned the tribulation he's
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mentioned the rapture, a coming war
with Russia and then a battle of armageddon
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with it. I think he said
the Asian and Eastern countries. Okay,
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what has this got to do with
Asaff composing a lament to express the feelings
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and the situation of the time in
which Asaf lived that. There's nothing here
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that makes it prophetic. It's not
a prophetic psalm. It's a communal lament.
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I'm just baffled by this. I
think everyone classifies Saw eighty three as
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a lament som not as a prophetic
psalm. I don't think it's predicting,
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it's describing the emotions and the concerns
of a real threat at that time.
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Now again, I've given everyone the
opportunity, right, Remember when we were
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trying to at least we entertained the
concept that maybe Saw eighty three, while
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some said Second Chronicles twenty is the
fulfillment of Saw eighty three, and that
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started kind of that didn't really make
sense. It didn't really I don't think
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it really fit because especially if they
said that Acef is alive during the time,
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which we found out is completely not
true. But we tried to connect
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it to Second Chronicles twenty. I
gave everyone opportunity to send me a chart
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comparing a contrasting second Chronicles twenty with
Saw eighty three. All right, everyone
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had that opportunity. I've also given
everyone the opportunity to find me a new
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Testament passage that quotes Saw eighty three, or at least references Saw eighty three
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as it then points to something future. Nobody has provided that as of yeat.
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I've given everyone the opportunity to test
these theories and to prove them.
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I just I'm just I don't get
We just read Psalm eighty three. I'm
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I'm just sitting here looking at this, all right, So maybe I don't
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know. Maybe this will all make
sense in a second, and we will
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actually touch down on this earth with
him when he comes. When he's coming
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back, we call that time when
he comes back and actually touches the earth
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the second Coming. The Rapture yourself, is not the second Coming. It's
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our going to him. But when
he comes back with us, that is
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the second coming, because it's his
second coming in human form to this earth.
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The Rapture is not the second Advent, because well, we meet him
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in the clouds and we don't touch
earth when we're caught up and he meets
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us there. He's not coming down
touching the earth. He's meeting us in
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the clouds. Now, we mentioned
the Russian War, and we've mentioned the
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war at the end of the tribulation, the Battle of Armageddon. It is
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coming. We can see it.
Just you can read your newspapers, you
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can watch your evening news, and
you can just see these things lining up,
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and you can see newspeople that just
I just have to say this.
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I have been hearing that it's lining
up. That just look at the news
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and you can see it happen,
it's about to happen, or it's developing.
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I've been hearing that basically my whole
life. Even before I became a
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Christian, I started hearing things about
it. I remember as I was pretty
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young, and I don't even know
how I stumbled upon this book. I
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wasn't a Christian, didn't really have
any connection to church, but I love
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to read. So I stumbled upon
a book called like the Sign of the
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Times or something like that, and
it was like, Hey, all the
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signs are lining up, and okay. Then I become a Christian in the
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eighties. I heard it. I
heard it in the nineties, I heard
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it in the two thousands, I
heard in the twenty tens, and now
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it's twenty twenties and I'm still hearing
it. At this point, it's lined
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up like fifty thousand times. Okay, So but all right, that's okay.
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So now maybe what he's going to
do is there's a war with Russia
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and then there's a war at the
end Armageddon. Now is he going to
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then show us where Psawm eighty three
this war fits in to this? These
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two wars, They've got a war
with Russia and a war at the end.
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The war with Russia, I think
he says happens before the tribulation,
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right, so it happens before the
tribulation. Where does Psawm eighty three?
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Is this an additional war? Where
does this fit in? Maybe that's why
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he's dealing with eschatology. Is he's
trying to put this in some kind of
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chronological order. Okay, that could
be interesting. I don't know what he
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would base it off of. I
definitely don't know how any of this comes
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from Psalm eighty three. But if
he believes Psalm eighty three is a future
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war, then maybe he's going to
show us where it fits in the chronological
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map of eschatology. All right,
let's see then maybe then we're gonna get
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to Psalm eighty three here, and
this will make some kind of sense.
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Are doing their best to try to
confuse you with it and avoid a lot
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of the things that are going on. But Psalm's twenty three deals with yet
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another war. Ten nations are he
says Psalm twenty three, He meant Psalm
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eighty three. So Psalm eighty three
deals with another war. So we got
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the war with Russia. I'm assuming
it sounds like he said before the tribulation,
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we got a war at the end. I'm assuming of the millennial Kingdom
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if I understand his eschatology correctly.
And somewhere there's a third war, and
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that's Psalm eighty three. So he's
again. Now maybe maybe in some of
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the early parts he proved it,
but in part one or part two he
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never even I never really talked about
it. So I but okay, I'm
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just gonna I was just gonna go
along, right, Okay, there's a
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coming war, and Saw eighty three
describes it. Let's see where he places
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it in the chronological order of end
time. Events are listed in this condition.
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Some have tried to well to tie
this war with the events that have
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happened in our past, in the
past history of the Earth. Okay,
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now that is true. Some try
to connect Saw mayighty three to Second Chronicles
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twenty, which would be our past. It would be future for or Asaf.
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It would be future for the people, but it would be passed for
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us. Now, I don't know. I don't think that works. I
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just don't think it works really well. But okay, we can put forth
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out as a hypothesis PSAW eighty three
is a prediction of Second Chronicles twenty.
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I just don't think it works very
well, but okay, all right,
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a current situation. To me,
it would have made more sense of Second
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Chronicles twenty provide us the historical context
of SA eighty three. The only problem
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that doesn't work because Asaf is dead
before the events of Second Chronicles twenty happens,
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so therefore it would have to be
a prediction. All right. Some
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then say that it was a future. It's still passed for us, but
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it's in the more modern past,
and he's gonna outline some of the other
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options that are presented by or by
some people, at least put forth.
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However, those things did not happen
in the manner in which Psalms eighty three
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tells us. See, God's not
trying to elk to win us, He's
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not trying to mislead us. In
the word of God. He's preserved so
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that we would have it to know
and understand these things. And so in
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Psalms eighty three really lays out for
us what God's going to do. Now
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I searched. Okay, Now what's
interesting, See, I think what he's
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referring to is some people try to
connect Psalm eighty three maybe to nineteen sixty
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seven, maybe nineteen forty eight,
so that would be passed for us.
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He doesn't seem to agree with any
of that. So he would clearly disagree
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with the second Chronicles twenty theory,
the nineteen forty eight theory of the nineteen
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sixty seven theory. And I don't
know how prevalent nineteen forty eight or nineteen
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sixty seven would be, would would
be prevalent, how prevalent those theories would
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be but he's rejecting any theory that
puts it past for us. He rejects.
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Now, my, what's interesting is
I don't understand why there's a theory
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at all. Why can't Psalm eighty
three simply be a a communal lament,
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which it's classified as, is at
least classified as a lament. Why can't
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it simply be a lament of the
psalmist lamenting to God based on a current
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situation that was happening at that time? Is it? Why do we have
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to look to any future anything?
Why don't we Why do we have to
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make this prophetic? What is there
in the text that makes us think,
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oh, this is predicting something.
Why wouldn't we just say this is describing
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something. It's not predicting something.
But that's that's what I need. Like
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if if, if all the arguments
are this is predicting this, or this
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is predicting this, and everyone's got
their theory on what it's predicting, why
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is there so much a desire to
make this a predictive or prophetic psalm and
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not simply a descriptive psalm describing the
emotions and the concern and the fear and
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the trust in God and a very
difficult circumstance that has outlined for us in
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the very Psalm itself. I just
don't understand. In preparation of Psalms eighty
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three, I searched authors of the
present day, authors of times past,
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perhaps even the century past or more, to search this out, to prepare
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for this passage. There are some
very very interesting passages, yet a great
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I guess you might just say a
great array of ideas, and sometimes people
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believe what I've got to come up
with an idea to explain this. We
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want people to understand it, not
be confused. Well, I can understand
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that we don't want to confuse people
with our preaching, but we don't want
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to change the story. We don't
want to change what God has said try
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to people. Help people think what
we think instead of what God is trying
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to tell him there and so we
need to do what God says and take
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his word accordingly. What's fascinating is
even he admits there's all kinds of theories,
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all kinds of theories from the past
of the brain. Why my thing
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is, Why is there so many
theories? Saw eighty three Asaf composes a
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lament that says God, we need
you to act because we have a current
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situation. This is the current situation. These enemies are coming together to wipe
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us off the face of the earth. The enemies are listed for us,
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eat them, the Ishmaelites Moab.
The hagwrites gayball ammon emmelech Felicitia with the
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inhabitants of tire Assyria has also joined
with them. They have helped the children
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of Lot. They are clearly listed. All of those enemies that are listed
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would have been present at that very
time. Okay, So like the text
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and the language it's used. It's
using things describing the present. It's describing
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enemies that would have been enemies at
the present. There is nothing here that
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makes me like I need fifteen theories
to figure out the when the win is
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at that time? I said,
this is what I'm so confused by.
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How did this become so convoluted and
so complicated. Look, if we can't
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figure out psaw eighty three, ladies
and gentlemen, what hope do we have
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to figure out literally anything in our
bibles? I am so perplexed by this.
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Always the word of God is context. Will agree with what it is
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saying, okay, so this chapter
is showing for us a war that could
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happen before the rapture or immediately after
the ractor. So all right, so
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he said, the context will agree
basically with the content. Well, the
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context I just don't. And so
the next thing, you know that this
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is talking about a war that could
happen before the rapture or immediately after the
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rapture. So wait a minute,
so is it before the rapture? We
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don't know. We just know it's
future on the basis of what why does
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this have to I don't understand.
I don't understand. Maybe maybe he's getting
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ready to make it make sense,
right, Maybe maybe it's getting ready to
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make sense because you know, he
thinks this is going to be before or
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after. I mean that that's it
could be before the rapture, all right,
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I just okay, all right,
let's just let's just see what happens
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before the tribulation. Now, remember
the tribulation does not start with the rapture.
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The rapture is before the tribulation,
but the tribulation starts when the Antichrist,
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the world leader. Other places,
he's called the Beast, and that's
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probably a better name than Antichrist.
He is anti Christ, but he's the
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Beast is where he's referred to more
often. But it confirms that Beast confirms
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a covenant with Israel and that will
start the seven years. That could be
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the day of rapture. It could
be a few years after the rapture.
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We don't know. The Bible doesn't
give us clarity on that, but we
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do know that's what happens. And
this war could happen before the rapture,
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after the rapture. Well, if
this war could happen before the rapture,
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then it could have happened during the
time of asaff because that would be before
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the rapture. Right, it could
have happened in second Chronicles twenty because that's
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before the rapture. It could have
happened in nineteen forty eight because that's before
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the rapture. It could have happened
in nineteen sixty seven because that's before the
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rapture. So once you say it
could happen before the rapture, then why
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does it have to be future for
us? Why couldn't it be passed because
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that would still be before the rapture. Once you make it like well,
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it could happen before the rapture,
then it could have happened in our past,
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it could happen in our present,
or it could happen in our future.
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But that just opens up the window
it could happen. It could have
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happened like I don't even know how
that narrows anything, or it could happen
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after the raptor what happens after the
rapture? Well, then well you know
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it has not occurred yet. But
if you don't know if it's before or
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if you don't know if it's after, then I then, to me,
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this is just why, like why
would you say the Bible I don't understand.
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Why wouldn't you just say it it
is describing a situation at the time
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of ACEF. I don't. Okay, maybe it's going to make sense.
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Maybe, Okay, at least he's
getting to the actual concept. Remember in
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part one, Part two, I
was getting frustrated because like they never really
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actually discussed it. At least now
in part five, we're getting somewhere.
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Now we have at least something that
we can be like, Okay, here's
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his hypothesis, here's my hypothesis.
My hypothesis now is we tried the Second
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Chronicles hypotheses right, and because the
pastor said that Jason, that Jehosaphat called
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in Asph, I was like,
well, if acefh was alive at the
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time, and we found another a
couple of other resources that tried to make
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the same claim, I was like, well, then saw maybe three the
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historical context of Second Chronicles twenty that
makes it simple. That fixes all of
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the problems. But then while we
found out all the pastors and resources saying
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Aceph was alive was only off by
a few decades agay, So then that
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completely fell apart. So now my
hypothesis is simple. Psaw eighty three is
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describing a situation at the time of
Asaph. Figure out when he lived.
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This event that's being described occurred during
that time, and he composed a communal
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lament for the people to lament to
God based on the situation they were currently
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experiencing. The end. It'll be
before the tribulation, that's this earth.
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Okay. So it sounds like he's
saying it could be before the rapture,
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it could be after the rapture,
but it will be before the tribulation.
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So it could be before the rapture, after the rapture, but before the
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tribulation. I hope that narrows it
down for you and what some people are
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trying to do on this earth.
Now, the wars spoken of in our
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text is different than the Russian coalition
that comes at the beginning. Notice first
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the verse. Let's look at the
identity of this coalition of nations, okay,
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of nations in verse six and on
through verse awly, because the nations
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all surround Israel. Verse six shows
us Edom. The geographic location of Edom
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should be what the world is trying
to identify, as well that of the
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Palestinians. Okay, Now wait a
minute, he's connecting the geographical area of
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Edom to the Palestinians. All right, we got to do a little bit
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of work. Okay, So a
couple of things here. First of all,
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at this time, when Asaf writes
Psalm eighty three, Eatam obviously were
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the descendants of Esau, who held
a long standing rivalry with the Israelites.
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That places them obviously in that very
timeframe. So we don't need to look
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for them anywhere else. But he
says, Itaedom are connected to the Palestinians.
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All right, So I'm gonna I'm
gonna do a little I'm gonna do
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a little work here because I'm a
little confused by this. All right,
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all right. Itatam is mentioned as
one of the nations in a list of
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enemies that are conspiring against Israel.
Itedom was an ancient kingdom located south of
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the Dead Sea, inhabited by the
descendants of Esau, the brother of Jacob
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Israel. The Edomites were historical enemies
of the Israelites, so again they fit
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perfectly in Psaumiti three and the historical
context. I don't know why we're but
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how do we connect edom with the
Palestinians. The modern day Palestinians are not
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direct descendants of the ancient Edomites.
The Palestinians are an Arab people who live
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in the region for centuries, and
their identity is linked to the broader Arab
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and Islamic culture. The connection between
the ancient Edomites and modern Palestinians is not
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a direct ethnic or historical line of
descent. When interpreting biblical passages like Psalmiti
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three, is important to consider the
historical contexts of the ancient nations mentioned and
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their religion and ship with Israel at
that time. The mention of Edom in
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this song refers to a specific nation
that was hostile to Israel in antiquity,
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rather than a direct reference to a
modern ethnic group like the Palestinians. So
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there's like a warning, don't do
that. He just immediately connected Edom to
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the Palaestinians. He did so by
the geographical region. Like, I don't,
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how do how do you? How
do you accomplish this? So I'm
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gonna, I'm gonna do some searching
here. I'm gonna do that. I'm
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doing live research on the air because
I'm just I'm perplexed. I am so
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confused by so much of this,
right because we've had other pastors make claims
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about the Palestinians or the phil the
Philistines, and like some of the things
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we've we've looked up other things and
just was absolutely not true now here.
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I don't know how you're connecting Edom
with the Palestinians. I don't understand this,
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all right, So I'm gonna say, what was the geographical location of
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Edom? All right? I'm gonna, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna do
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a search for the geographical region of
edomypt Edom was an ancient kingdom region located
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in the southern part of modern day
Jordan and extending into parts of present day
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Israel. The territory of edom was
situated to the southeast of the Dead Sea,
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bordered by Moab to the northeast and
the Arabian Desert to the south and
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east. The geographical features of the
Edamite region included rugged mountain terrain, deep
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valley's rocky landscape. The ancient city
of Petra, known for its impressive rock
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cut architecture, was a notable city
within the Edamite territory. Edam was a
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significant was significant in ancient history,
with its people known as Edomites, playing
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a role in trade routes, conflicts, and interactions with neighboring kingdoms and in
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such as Israel and Assyria. The
region has rich historical archaeological significance, offering
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insight into the culture and the civilization
of the ancient Near East. It sounds
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like that's a large area. So
I don't know, because it's a large
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area. If we have Palestinians in
that area today we say that's somehow connected
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to eat them, Like, I
don't understand how you even pull that off.
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Okay is the Okay, it's the
location of the modern day Palestinians connected
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to the to the Thank God,
I'm doing some searching if I can spell
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right, I don't know why it
won't let me. Why is it doing
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that? Okay, there we go. Okay. I hate when it tries
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to do autocurre. Now I know
what I'm typing. I don't need you
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to correct it for me, but
sometimes I do need it to correct it
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for me because the way I was
spelling Palestinians, I needed it to help
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me. All right, Okay,
okay, here we go. Let's see
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here. I'm gonna do a search. I'm just perplexed by this. How
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do you get Eatom to the Palestinians. I don't understand. Okay, the
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modern day Palestinians are not directly connected
to the ancient kingdom of Edom in terms
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of direct geographical location. The historical
territortory of Edom was primarily located in the
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southern part of modern day Jordan,
while the Palestinians are situated in the region
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west of the Jordan River, encompassing
the West and Gaza Strip. So immediately
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they say there's no connection. So
I this is what's driving me crazy about
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Psaum eighty three. Every time I
listen to a sermon and I hear a
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claim, and we do five minutes
of research, we find out that the
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claim doesn't seem to hold any water, or it seems to be contradicted.
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Well, the area what's occupied by
Etom and the modern day Palestinian territories are
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not the same. They are located
in relatively close proximity within the broader Middle
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East region. Okay, well,
so I I I don't understand. I
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don't understand. He just makes it
like, well, eatum is well,
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the geographical location is the Palestinians.
And then we do five seconds of research,
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and I like, wait, there's
no connection between eat them and the
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Palestinians. There's no direct lineage,
lineage, and there's no direct connection even
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in the geographical locations. The geographical
locations were different. They're they're connected within
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the modern the broader region of the
Middle East. So I mean, like
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I I don't understand. I don't
understand. Okay, all right, but
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let's let's see what else is said
here. So so but like, so
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you see, do you see how
crazy? Instead of just saying, well,
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eat them, we're enemies of Israel
at the time Saw eighty three was
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written, so therefore it's describing a
current situation. Somehow we're gonna take at
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them and then try to connect them
to the modern day Palestinians. But based
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off what wild speculation. I don't
understand that Herman Nutic, my Herma Nudic
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would be like, well, we
know who the Anamites are. They were
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an enemy to Israel at this time. We know exactly, So there's why
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am I looking for something else?
The Ishmaelites are the Arabs, that would
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include Moab and Amon. Okay,
So now he says, the Ishmaelites are
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the Arabs. Okay, Okay,
I'm gonna type it this way. Okay,
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let's see if we can get some
information here. All right, And
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this may be true, but at
this point I don't know, all right.
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The term Ishmaelites historically referred to the
descendants of Ishmael, who is the
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son of Abraham and Hagar and the
biblical narrative, Ishmael is considered a figure
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of significance in Judaism, Christianity,
and Islam, with his descendants traditionally associated
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with the Arab peoples, and contemporary
understanding the term Ishmaelite is not commonly used
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to refer to modern day Arabs.
Instead, the term Arabs is widely used
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to describe the people inhabit the Arab
world, our region that includes countries in
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the Middle East and North Africa.
Where a spot where where is spoken at
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where where you basically have a common
spoken language. All right. So,
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while there may be historical connections between
the Ishmaelites and modern day Arabs, the
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term Arab is more commonly used to
denote the people of the Arab world today,
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reflecting the contemporary cultural, linguistic and
ethnic identities. All right, so
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there is some connection there, right, So at least when I that's not
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one of those I just have to
immediately go you know, there's no connection.
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But the Ishmaelites at the time like
if we go back here, okay,
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hang, I'm going to go back
to my list of all the enemies
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and we go back because I have
them saved here? Where do I have
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them saved here? Where do I
have them save? Right? So,
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so Idam was descendants of Esau,
who had a long standing rivalry with the
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Israelites, which would have been true
in Saw eighty three. Ishmaelites descendants of
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Ishmael often associated with the nomadic tribes
in the region that would have been present
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at the time of psawm eighty three. I don't need to connect them to
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anything in the modern time. I
just need to know that they were existing
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at the time of Saw eighty three. If they're existing at the time of
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Saw eighty three and they are known
for conflict with Israel, ladies and gentlemen,
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why am I looking for a future
fulfillment when the text screams that it's
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referring to a situation was happening at
that time of the Bible days verse seven,
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and today we call this place Jordan. The Hagarens an Amlek in verse
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seven are the land that is now
occupied by Egypt. Okay, now we've
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got another claim here. Okay,
the Hagarens. He's using the King James.
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The new King James has hag rights. Okay, hang on, let
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me go here. I'm going to
go back to my list of all of
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them in my own research. All
right, So the Hagwrights, possibly a
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reference to a group of nomads are
descendants of Hagar all right. So I'm
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gonna have to just do a little
work here, right, Okay, in
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some this is all happening in real
time. Okay, that's okay, Because
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what I want to show you is
this is almost what you have to I
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hate to say this, this is
almost what you have to do when listening
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to preaching. You almost have to
just hit pause and go look things up.
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Because we have demonstrated clearly in our
study of Psalm eighty three, how
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many of these sermons have just made
utterly completely fraudulent and fake claims like asof
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being alive and the events of second
Chronicles twenty We went, I went along
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with that theory until I kept I
kept going, it doesn't make sense,
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and I kept checking and checking,
and then finally go, no way,
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there's just no way, and then
no, no, there's no he was
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dead. So and then all these
claims about we just saw about Edom that's
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just not factually correct. So now
we've got the hag rights that represents Egypt,
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all right, So and I'm gonna
put in Psalm eighty three, verse
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six, the hag rights. Okay, there's my autocorrect wanting to fix that
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because it doesn't like the word hagwrights. The hag rights are mentioned is modern
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day Egypt the geographical location of the
ancient hag Rights. All right, let's
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see what we can find here,
ladies and gentlemen, let's see what we
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can find. The hag Rights mentioned
Insaw eighty three six, where a nomadic
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people lived in the region east of
Israel during ancient times. They are believed
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to have to have a tribe or
a group of people that may have roamed
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across very areas in ancient Near East. While the specific geographical location of the
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ancient hag Rights is not definitively known, some historical and biblical scholars have suggested
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they may have had connection to the
region of the Arabian Desert or the area
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east of the Jordan River. Modern
day Egypt, situated south of Israel,
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is not typically associated with being the
geographical location of the ancient hag Rights.
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The hag Rights were more commonly linked
to regions closer to the eastern borders of
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ancient Israel, rather than territory of
Egypt. It is important to note that
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historical and geographical interpretation of ancient peoples
like the Hagwrights can vary, and there
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may not be a precise contemporary equivalent
to their specific location In modern times.
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I know, shocker, right.
Maybe because there's no way to connect it
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to a modern situation. Is because
Psaun eighty three was not telling you to
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go look for their modern connection.
It was telling you that during the time
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of Asaf, there was a confederacy
of nations that was coming against Israel,
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and Asaf composed a communal lament to
cry out to God. And this is
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that lament. It has nothing to
do with the future, had everything to
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do with that historical setting. But
once again, he just said the hag
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wrights, that's Egypt. He just
says it dogmatically. There's nothing dogmatic about
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any of this. The atom situation
just seems completely wrong. The hag rights
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in Egypt seems at least questionable at
best. We remember that Hagar was from
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Egypt, and when we see Gebel
in verse seven, that would be part
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of the Jordan, or it could
be part of Lebanon. It's as I
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would study the scholars, they seem
to be divided on Okay, wait a
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minute here, Okay, yeah,
Hagar he calls Hagar was indeed from Egypt.
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All right, so that part is
true, but that has nothing to
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do with the geographical location of the
Hagrides they were a nomadic tribe. That
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was all okay, all right,
And then he says the scholars are divided.
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Well, the scholars may be divided
because nobody should be trying to connect
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these historical situations to future nations.
For some, I hate to say it,
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at this point, I feel that
this is accurate, some made up
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story of a future war that I
don't think Some eighty three has anything to
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do with which it is. They
argue about, well, which is it?
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01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.480
You know, is it Jordan?
Is it this other place? Is
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it this? What is it?
But the one thing we can say now
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01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:21.039
I'll simply said this way, either
way it is. It surrounds Israel,
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01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:36.840
and Israel's fits right into the coalition's
desires. The Philistines, of course,
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01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:46.639
represented by Gaza, and we think
of Hammas. Okay, wait, now
708
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:54.719
the Philistines is Gaza? Okay?
Oh man, this I am trying my
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01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:12.719
best to follow all this. Is
there any connection between the ancient biblical Philistines
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and modern day Gaza? All right? Let me see if we if there
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may be, this one is accurate. Oh okay, now this one is
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Oh, maybe we're onto something here. There is a connection between the ancient
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01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:37.400
biblical Philistines and the modern day Gaza
Strip. The Philistines were an ancient people
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01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.960
who lived in the region as as
Philistia, located along the southern coast of
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01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.519
modern day Israel and the Gaza Strip. The city of Gaza was one of
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01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:52.280
the five primary cities of the Philistine
uh Panopolis, along with Ashkalon, Ashtod,
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01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.880
Akron, and goth There was significant
center of Philistine culture and power during
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Biblical times. All right, so
hey that no one, We actually have
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connection, ladies and gentlemen, we
actually have a connection. This one seems
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to be accurate. Great, but
guess what if I just go back to
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my list of everything I studied.
Let me go back to my list.
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01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:20.079
Hang on, if I can find
all my notes? I got my notes
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scattered in so many different places.
Felictia inhabitants of the Philistine region, known
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for their conflicts with Israel throughout history. Guess what they would have been an
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01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:37.320
enemy of Israel during the time of
Psalm eighty three UK. So like,
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01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.960
I uh, like, why are
we connecting it to something modern when it
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01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:45.719
was clearly this is describing a situation
at that time. I am still there's
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not been given any textual justification for
this wild speculation and this attempt to connect
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01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.480
it, and so far this is
the only connection that seems to have any
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ground and possible fact. It's interesting
that rarely do you have a day go
731
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:15.920
by that you hear something not going
on in that area in attacking Israel,
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01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:20.119
and the world is media and so
forth does everything to make Israel at fault,
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even though these people come in and
they murder babies in front of their
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parents, they take videos of killing
them, and the world is supposed to
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01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:35.840
agree that they're right, even though
they use their own children and other children
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to be their blocking areas so that
when the enemy is shooting, they take
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all the bullets, they take all
the things, these children and women,
738
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and just telling you what kind of
men they are, if we can call
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them a man. So the early
part of this seventieth week that Daniel calls
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01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:14.639
it that, well, Israel just
basically traded over one thousand terrorists for one
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01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:21.239
of their soldiers back in twenty ten. I have no idea what any of
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this has to do with PSAU eighty
three. I am literally about a future
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01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:30.679
war that could happen before the rapture
could happen after the rapture, but before
744
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:39.440
the tribulation. Now we're talking about
current situation and Gaza and the Palestinians and
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01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:51.159
Hamas, and I don't understand.
I don't understand, just to get them
746
01:05:51.639 --> 01:06:00.960
back, and a lot of people
said, man, not have done that.
747
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:10.639
Many of these I guess you might
say these terrorists are guilty of murder.
748
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This is your radio pastor, pastor
Andy Bloom saying. And that's the
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end of part five. The good
thing about Part five is now we're actually
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01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:28.039
getting into well I can't even call
it justific Well, no, I can
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01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.360
call it. It's their justification for
saying PSAWM eighty three. This is the
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01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:34.800
justification we have heard. I'd have
to go back and listen to part three
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and four to see if I missed
something. All right, so maybe I
754
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:45.960
miss something. But the justification provided
in part five is this. These nations
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01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:54.880
listed and Psalm eighty three, six, seven, and eight based off wild
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01:06:55.000 --> 01:07:00.360
speculation, in many cases incorrect understanding. These nations are cannected with modern nations.
757
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:05.559
Therefore, Saw eighty three is talking
about a future war. But again,
758
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:09.400
if you say it can have it
happens. It can happen before the
759
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.400
rapture, then why is it necessarily
future for us? It could have already
760
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.760
happened. In fact, I think
this war did and Saw eighty three during
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01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:23.159
the time of Asaf when he composed
the lament to express the emotion of that
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01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:27.119
time. So that's even confusing.
But I mean, that's such a while.
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01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:30.440
And look, if you're gonna connect
it to modern nations, you've got
764
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to be one thousand percent accurate in
all of your dogmatic assertions that it's connected
765
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:44.960
to these people. He got one
right, one who just seemed like a
766
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:49.599
complete, utterly not true, the
other one very questionable to almost not true,
767
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:54.159
and then the third one, okay, relatively, that one seemed to
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01:07:54.199 --> 01:08:00.440
one hundred percent factual. That's not
that's not how we do hermeneutics. The
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text clearly is describing a situation at
that occurred right then. So the lesson
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01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:14.599
of Saw Maty three can't be there's
a coming war. The lesson of Ssaw
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eighty three has to be these people
crying out to God in a lament based
772
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off the situation that they were feeling
that they were experiencing. What can we
773
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learn from that? Now? I
put forth some ideas and lessons and the
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01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.600
message that I've been preaching on p
Saw eighty three. You can go back
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01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.720
and listen. This one is just
I'm just I don't get it. But
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01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:42.560
I want you to go listen to
everything they make it your priority today.
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Go listen to everything they did on
SAW eighty three. Look, you can
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01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:51.760
tell how short these messages are.
They're only about six to ten minutes long.
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01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.520
You can fly through these things.
You can just fly through them.
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You can finish them all today.
I want someone to finish all twenty today,
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01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:02.880
all right, and then email me
telling me what you think of their
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twenty parts. And if there's something
you're like, you've got to hear Part
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sixteen, just tell me. Okay, Part six I don't even need the
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timestamp. We'll just review the entire
part because I want I want to get
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01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.159
well one. I want you to
hear their perspective. I want you to
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hear their perspective. I am grateful
for their perspective because it's challenging me to
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spend more time on SAW eighty three
than I've ever considered in my entire life.
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And I've worked on SAW eighty three
multiple times in different like educational situations,
789
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seminary Bible, college Bible institutes.
But I mean, I don't think
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I've ever spent this much time,
So I'm grateful for their perspective because it's
791
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:47.479
challenging us. I'm just confused by
the hermineutical approach. I just don't get
792
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:51.439
it from a hermaeutical perspective. And
that's okay, we can disagree. You
793
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.920
as the listener, you benefit because
you get to hear two radically different approaches.
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01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.239
So this is a positive thing.
I don't want it to be a
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negative thing, all right. So
here's what you need to do. Look
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up Psalm eighty three, the Coming
Middle East War, and you should be
797
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.720
able to that'll get you to the
series, all right. If you cannot
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01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:15.680
find the series, I will.
In fact, what I will try to
799
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do is I think I can say, yeah, I can share the entire
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01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:23.000
series. I will send out a
link. I will send out a link
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01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:26.760
to the entire series if you have
the Church one app. If you don't
802
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:30.960
have the Church one app, I
really don't know why. It's really kind
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01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.680
of offensive. Why wouldn't you download
the Church one app? Because then you
804
01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:36.039
can listen to me live and you
can get notifications sent out when I send
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01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:40.600
out notifications, and you'll know whenever
I upload new stuff. Right, So,
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go to the Apple App Store the
Google Play Store, do a search
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for Church ohne Church O n E. Once you download the app, do
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a search for Theology Central, make
us your chosen broadcaster. Boom. You
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now have the Theology Central app and
you'll get the notification and just a few
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minutes with the link of the series
that we are referring to. Right,
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you also want the Sermon's two point
oh app downloaded? All right? You
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definitely want that app as well,
Sermon's two point oh and Church one.
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You want both of them, all
right, So I will do that,
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and then I want you to go
listen to them all I really do.
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Look, I'm not this is not
one of the situations like I think I'm
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better than them. I just don't
understand their perspective. I don't get it.
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But I want you to hear their
perspective because then hopefully it will challenge
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you to do your own study and
your own research. Right. So far,
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any of the sermons we listen to
on PSAW eighty three, they were
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all maddening, kind of like the
same thing that's happening with Joshua one to
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eight, and these are hermeneutical disputes. These are hermeneutical disagreements. Right,
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it's nothing personal hermeneutical issues. And
that's okay. The only the way you
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have hermin Like one of the best
parts of even a hermoneutics class is where
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you struggle with Okay, if they
interpret it this way, well, why
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should we interpret it this way?
Okay, what's our steps, what's our
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methods? We're going to you that
those discussions about hermeneutics is that I mean,
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you have comparing a contrasting approaches.
Sometimes it is the most beneficial.
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So you're getting to hear like,
here's how one side handled saw Maty three,
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here's how on another side. You
may have a completely different hermautic and
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a different approach. I would love
to hear your approach. If you want
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to share it, you can email
me news if at yahoo dot com,
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that's news I f at yahoo dot
com. And once again, we've gone
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over an hour. We've gone over
an hour, so hopefully you benefit all
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the work. Look, trust me, I didn't want to necessarily do that,
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but I just felt like, if
they're cute, continuing to work on
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the series. I can't just I
want people to know. Look, they're
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putting in, They've done twenty parts. They're putting in the work. I
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want that work to be listened to. I want you to go. I
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want you to go listen to their
hermeneutical work. I really do. I'm
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not being sarcastic. I obviously am
conflicted. I don't understand, but that's
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okay, that's okay. I want
I want their work to be heard.
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I want their work to be listened
to. So go download all twenty and
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if you're driving around today, just
go through one after another afternoon, just
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start with part one and just go
through them all Part one, Part two,
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Part three, Part four, Part
five, Part six. And if
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you're listening to them today, keep
giving me updates. You're in part one,
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you're part four, Part five?
Where are you at? What are
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you hearing? Give me minute by
minute? Be my reporter. All right,
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report your pross your progress through this
series, because yeah, I'm I'm
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just not understanding from all my study
and hermoneutics, I am just baffled on
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this. I'm baffled at all the
preachers who try to make this something other
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than saw maybe three, Like why
does it have to be anything other than
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Asaf. The worship leader composed a
lament to express the fear, concern,
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and work and doubt and panic of
the people during his time. The end
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that seems so simple. I don't
know. Thanks for listening. Everyone,
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have a great day. Go listen. I'll send the link out in just
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a minute, all right, God
bless
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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast,
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making Theology Central. How many parts? Wait, you're telling me they're
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adding even more parts? No,
no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, you
have to be joking. Right, wait,
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there's now twenty parts, twenty parts? Are you no? Come on?
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Ok? Let me count them.
Let me count them all right?
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You see, there's part one,
there's part two. There's part three.
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There's Part four. There's Part five. There's part six, there's part seven,
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there's part eight, there's part nine, there's part ten. There's part
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eleven. Well, part twelve.
They changed the title. Why did they
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change the title? Okay, now
Part twelve, Part thirteen, Part fourteen,
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Part fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen nineteen, And just a few
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hours ago they added part twenty.
Okay, something is going on. We
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need to pay attention to it now. I say all of that, but
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what I really need to do first
and foremost is offer our introduction. Good
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morning everyone. It is Thursday,
June the twenty seventh, twenty twenty four.
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It is currently ten fifty am Central
Time, and I am coming to
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you live from the Theology Central studio
located right here in Abilene, Texas.
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Now, I know you may be
asking parts to what, twenty parts to
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what? What are you referring to
twenty parts of what? Well, if
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you remember, it was a week
ago. Two weeks ago, I spent
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the day in my car driving different
places, taking people to certain locations,
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waiting for them, picking up people, bringing them to a different location.
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I was doing a lot of driving, and so I grabbed my iPad and
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I'm like, okay, well i'm
driving around, let's listen to some sermons
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on the sermons two point oh app
right, because that's what we're doing in
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twenty twenty four. So I downloaded
a number of sermons and one of those
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sermons was entitled the Coming Middle East
War Part one, The Coming Middle East
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War Part one. Now, the
fact that it said the Coming Middle East
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War, it immediately caught my attention. Right, we're doing a series on
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eschatology. This is about some coming
Middle East war. So I'm assuming it's
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gonna have something to do with eschatology. Maybe I could utilize it in that
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series. Okay, this should be
good. What do they think is the
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coming Middle East War? When do
they think is going to happen? What
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scripture. Do they believe teaches this
coming Middle East War? I was intrigued.
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I hit play on it, and
then I was really even more intrigued
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because the full title was Psalm eighty
three the Coming Middle East War. And
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immediately I was like, wait a
minute, wait a minute. They believe
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Psal eighty three teaches of a coming
Middle East war in other words, coming
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even for us, not for the
not for the original author or the original
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recipients, but but really future for
us. In other words, it could
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have been future for them and now
be passed for us. But no,
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no, no, that Psaw May
three was describing a war that was well
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beyond the time of the original recipients
and the original author. It's future for
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even us. And I'm like,
well that that is okay. I've read
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Psalm eighty three so many times.
Okay. So immediately, as soon as
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I could, I got here into
the studio, we turned on the microphone,
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or I turned on the microphone,
and I went live to tell you
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about the series, and I told
you to go listen to it, go
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download it, and we started reviewing
messages. We found ourselves, at least
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for me even more con well.
I went from intrigued, interested, to
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confused, and just not understanding because
it was a series on SSAW eighty three
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that coming Middle East War, but
in the ones we reviewed, they never
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really talked about a coming Middle East
war. They started talking about all kinds
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of things like rock music and how
women dress, and it's like all this,
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like what, I didn't even understand
what was going on. It was
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so it was so confusing, right, so I decided, you know what,
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I told everyone, go listen to
the series, download the series to
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see where they go with it.
But I'm like, you know what,
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I don't understand what they're doing with
SAW eighty three, but we'll start something
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on SAW maty three. We instead
of just getting frustrated or just being you
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know, negative, let's be grateful
that they put forth a sermon series on
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SAW eighty three. I don't understand
what they're doing with it, but that's
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instead of being negative, we'll turn
it into something positive and we'll put forth
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our own study on PSAW maty three, and we have been working on that.
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We have reviewed other sermons on PSAW
Maady three, which only added at
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least for me, more frustration,
more confusion, because they like they would
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say one thing and I'm like,
well, that's not even the way,
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that's not even true, and it
just oh it was. So it's maddening,
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so maddening trying to listen to the
sermons on saw Maty three. So
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I think we've done a pretty good
job. So I kind of, you
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know, I'm still working on psaw
Maity three at Victory Baptist Church. We'll
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be doing more teaching on saw Maty
three next Sunday or this coming Sunday,
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so you know, I can,
I can look at everything and go Okay.
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It kind of started frustrating, it
kind of got confusing, but I
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think we're making it into something positive. And then I noticed in my my
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sermon's two point oh app in my
feed. Well, they keep adding messages
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to this series. And what's weird
is they changed the title. It went
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from Saw eighty three The Coming Middle
East War for Part one, Part two,
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Part three, Part four, Part
five, six, seven, eight,
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nine, ten eleven, and then
with Part twelve they dropped Saw eighty
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three The Coming Middle East War,
and then the starting part twelve it just
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becomes Psalm eighty three, Saw eighty
three Part twelve, Saw eighty three Part
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thirteen, Saw eighty three Part fourteen, all the way up to what they
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dropped today was Part twenty. They've
done twenty parts now. On one hand,
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man, I'm impressed. I got
nothing but respect that a church will
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use the technology available to them and
spend twenty episodes of their podcast slash radio
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broadcasts to talk about Saw eighty three. I've got nothing but respect with that.
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For that, I'm impressed. I
think that's awesome. I think that's
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amazing. Everyone should go listen to
it. Everyone should follow the series and
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listen to every single message. Even
if I disagree with every word that was
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said, I'm not saying I do, But even if I did, I
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still would want you to go listen
to it, because that's twenty parts of
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you hearing someone trying to give their
hypotheses, their perspective and their theory on
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SAW eighty three. Now and you
can also be listening to my discussion on
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Saw eighty three, and then you
get maybe two very different perspectives. You
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may find that frustrating, just as
I get frustrated with that, but hopefully
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through the frustration, by the time
it's all said and done, you're gonna
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know Saw eighty three better than you
did when when twenty twenty four started,
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right, so hopefully we can accomplish
something. But I felt like, so
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what do I do? I mean? I told everyone about this series right
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again, it's SAW eighty three.
Doctor Andy Bloom is the name, and
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you can just if you want to
find the series. The best way to
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find the series is just type in
and the search engine on the sermon's two
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point oh app Saw eighty three the
coming Middle East War, and then you
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should be able to find it relatively
quick, all right, and then you
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can subscribe to the whole series,
and I would challenge you to listen to
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all of them. But I had
to make a decision. So what do
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I do? I mean, that's
the series that started everything. That's the
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sermons series or the podcast series that
sparked our entire work on SAW eighty three.
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So do I just ignore it?
Or do I say, well,
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I've already told the people about it. Do I just turn on the microphone
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and go, hey, guys,
they're up to part twenty. Go listen,
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all right, thank you for listening
today. I could just do a
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quick, like, you know,
public service announcement. I could just do
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a you know, a FYI for
your information and be done. But you
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know, I get frustrated with those
kinds of broadcast even though I do them,
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because I just feel like I need
to do more. So I thought,
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you know what, let's just grab
one of them. So I grabbed
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or grabbed the audio of one of
them. I grabbed Part five. Let's
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just jump to part five and see
what they're doing with SAW eighty three.
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at least for me, I became
kind of frustrated. So then we just
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left it. Let's jump to part
five and kind of see what's going on.
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I mean, they go twenty parts
on it. So I'm fascinated because
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if you look at SAW eighty three, like, I don't know, how
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do you get I mean, I
don't know, twenty parts. There's a
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lot of it that's pretty straightforward.
I don't know, there's eighteen verses,
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so they've got more parts than there
are verses. Well, okay, what
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that makes some sense? Right?
Okay, because your introductory material in SAW
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eighty three could take up two messages, right, you know, background,
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historical, context, outline, which
we've done all of that. Now the
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weird part though. Remember when we
started reviewing their part one and Part two,
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they didn't provide an outline. Really, they didn't provide any historical context.
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They it was really their whole approach
has been I just don't understand their
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approach. But that's okay, that's
okay. I don't have to understand it.
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So let's at least I mean,
I just feel like we have to
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kind of revisit and see what they're
doing. Right, So we've reviewed part
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one and two, so that means
we're skipping three and four. We're just
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going to jump to five and we're
just going to see what's going on.
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We're just gonna see, all right, we're just going to do this in
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real time. I don't know what's
about to happen. Maybe this will be
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beneficial, maybe we'll not. Do
I need to read Psaw eighty three to
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you? Do I need to read
Psalm eighty three to you? Or do
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you remember it? Let me read
it to you really quick? Saw eighty
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three a song a psalm of asaf
right. Do not keep silent, Oh
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God, do not hold your peace, and do not be still, Oh
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God, for behold your enemies.
Make a tumult, and those who hate
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you have lifted up their head.
They have taken crafty counsel against your people
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and consulted together against your sheltered ones. They have said, come, let
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us cut them off from being a
nation, that the name of Israel may
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be remembered no more. For they
have consulted together with one consent, they
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form a confederacy against you, the
Tints of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab
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and the Hagrites Gibal emmon Ammelek Felistia
with the inhabitants of Tire. Assyria also
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has joined with them. They have
helped the children of Lot deal with them,
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as with Midian, as with Cicera, as with Jabin at the brook
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of Kishan, who perished at Indore, who became as refuge on the refuse
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on the earth. If I don't
lose my voice, make the nobles like
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Oreb and like zeb Yet, all
their princes, like Zeba and Zalmuna,
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who said, let us take for
ourselves the pastures of God for a possession.
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Oh my God, make them like
the whirling dust, like the chaff
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before the wind, as the fire
burns the woods, as the flame sets
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the mountains on fire. So pursue
them with your tempest and frighten them with
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your storm. Fill their faces with
shame, that they may seek your name,
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O Lord, let them be confounded
and dismayed forever. Yes, let
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them be put to shame and perish, that they may know that you,
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whose name alone is the Lord,
are the most high over all the earth.
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Now we have worked on this chapter, I feel like for Sola,
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so many hours have been dedicated to
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continually to point out is Psal three
is clearly the psalmist is speaking of a
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situation that is occurring at that time. There is a there is a threat
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at that time. So Asaf composes
a communal lament to cry out to God
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that they are confused, they're worried. They I mean they are they are
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possibly fearful of their situation, and
they're asking God to stop being silent to
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intervene, because obviously this implies God
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and they are gravely concerned. And
Asaf is kind of like the worship
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leader, and he composes this communal
lament. Remember we had a sermon that
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tried to say that This was fulfilled
in second Chronicles twenty, but that began
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to kind of fall apart. In
fact, the pastor said that King Jehosephact
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called in Asaf. Well, we
know that that's just absolutely not true because
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Asaf was dead. So a lot
of this sermons. One of the things
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that's been frustrating is a lot of
the sermons we've listen to on SAW eighty
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three, there's just no way to
look. I just have to say this,
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They've just been absolutely factually an error. They've made claims about some of
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these groups or some of these people
that was just absolutely not true. Like
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they completely just fraudulent information. There's
no way they get around it, just
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fraudulent information. In many cases,
they wouldn't even cite a source, and
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then many of the sources they cited, you're like, where where did you
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found a website called what we?
And then you would just look up any
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kind of more respected resource and it
would completely contradict what they said. It's
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been very frustrating right to hear such
bad information. So I don't know what
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else to do. Like, I
know we're focusing on Joshua one eighth this
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week, but I feel like we
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we have to, don't we,
right, I mean, we got to
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go go back to this sermon series
that sparked this entire discussion. They're up
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to part twenty. We've got to
revisit it. So we're gonna go back
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to their part five again. We
reviewed part one and two. We're skipping
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three and four. We're just jumping
to five. I have no idea what
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they're gonna be discussing. We're just
gonna jump in and see where we are.
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Okay, Now, I have listened
to a little bit of this,
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so to be fair, I do
know what they start discussing at the beginning.
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I do know what they start discussing
at the beginning, all right,
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Yeah, which I'm not gonna mention, but I will put it this way.
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I was a little confused again and
just like what I don't understand?
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So are you ready for this?
Here we go. This should be interesting.
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I know it's Joshua one eight,
but we're gonna interrupt our Joshua one
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eight to go figure out how many
parts? Wait twenty? Okay, what's
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going on? Let's go back to
part five and see what was happening.
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Here we go the word is a
lamp onto my feet and a light onto
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my path. This is Garynron welcoming
you to the Lamp and Light broadcast coming
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to you from the studios of Central
Baptist Church in Beautiful O'calla, Florida.
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Lamp and Light is a ministry taking
a book of the Bible, verse by
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verse, teaching as it is to
men as they are, without compromise or
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apology, speaking the truth and love, and our purpose is to give the
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lamp and light to all. Yesterday, in our study of Psalm eighty three,
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doctor Bloom was explaining where the word
rapture came from. Okay, a
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couple of things. First of all, you should subscribe to them. You
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should follow it, right I think. I mean, I love the fact
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that this church has basically a radio
program. They have their own studio,
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and they're putting out this content day
in and day out where they're going through
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basically, you know, scripture.
I love that. I got nothing but
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respect for that. I may disagree
with some of their perspectives, but I
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just love when churches are using technology
that is available to them to get their
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teaching, to get their perspective,
to get their hypotheses on scripture out there
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so that the rest of us can
be challenged by it. I mean,
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look what they've started by using their
technology. They've started our lengthy discussion on
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Psaw eighty three. So there's nothing. I've got nothing but positive to say
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about everything that they're doing. My
only issue is I just don't understand from
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a hermeneutical perspective, from an exegetical
perspective, how they're handling the text.
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And when they just tell me that
we're getting ready to talk about the rapture,
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I'm even more confused. Where is
the rapture in Psalm eighty three?
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Like, I don't understand, I
don't understand. I don't think I've heard
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a sermon yet where I understand what
in the world they're doing with Saw eighty
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three. I'm just like, as
as frustrated as I am with all the
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sermons on Joshua one to eight,
it may be even more confusing and confound
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at least Joshua one to eight,
that's almost every at least all the sermons
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are in agreement that they all handle
it basically the same way. I think
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the way they handle it is as
a travesty. Okay, but at least
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there's consistency. What frustrates me with
Saw eighty three is like this pastor says,
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no, it was fulfilled in second
chronicles, and this pastor says,
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no, it was nineteen sixty seven, No, it was nineteen forty eight.
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No, it's coming, And it's
like, wa, wait what wait,
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what is happening here? You know, when you have a pastor telling
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you that King JOSEPHACT called an Asaf, well that's frustrating considering Asaf was dead.
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Okay, that's really frustrating. So
when you just and when they start
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saying, well, this represents this
country and you start looking up things like
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that is not even one, that's
not even a little bit accurate. Those
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things drive me crazy. So now, how did they get to a discussion
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about the rapture in saw maty three? I am so confused. I am
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so confused. But hey, you
know, let's let's learn a little bit
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about the rapture if you if you, I know, in eschatology there are
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those who hold the one and there
are those who don't. I'm not here
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to get into a rapture debate.
I'm trying to get into a hermoneutical discussion.
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How in the world. Did you
get to the rapture and saw eighty
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three that was currently talking about a
conflict that was happening at the time of
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Asaf who was the worship leader mainly
during the king of the time of David
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into the reign of Solomon. So
I don't know he's talking about a situation
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at that time. I don't,
I don't, I don't understand. All
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right, but here we go.
Let's resume with that discussion today. Now
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here's our teacher and pastor, doctor
Andy Bloom addition for the ble yes,
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and I do find it. Look, their intro is awesome, their intro
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is well produced. Whoever produced their
intro, it's great. The voiceover is
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good, the music is good.
But and the Bible says, and the
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Bible says, ladies and gentlemen,
that should be all you care about is
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what does the Bible say? And
we determined what the Bible says by the
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words that are used. And we
understand the words that are used first based
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off their historical context, then their
textual context, and then the actual just
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the way you understand words, definitions
and how they're structured and put together.
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So I love that the Bible says, as the song goes there, that's
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amazing. We should care about what
the Bible says. What I am perplexed
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by is how everyone goes to Saw
eighty three and seems to find something that
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I don't think the Bible actually says. That is where I'm confused. But
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let's let's see what happens here.
But there is a tribulation that is going
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to come upon this earth. So
now the Christians will be caught up,
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and what we call is the rapture. Now I've had men try to argue
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with me and say, well,
the word rapture is not in the Bible.
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And where the word raptor comes from, you see, it's actually in
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first Thessalonians. We read they'll be
caught up. Caught up is a Greek
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word that has the idea of snatched
out. The Latins changed tried to change
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things a little bit, and so
they use the word raptura, which is
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the same definition though of caught up. Is just like they're trying to translated
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into their language. But no,
it's not in English rapture, but it
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is got the right terminology caught up
because we're caught up. How in a
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moment in the twinkling by at the
last trump, for the trump shall sound,
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and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. Yes, a rapture is coming.
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It could be at any moment.
As a matter of fact, I'm
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recording this right now. But to
be quite honest with you here it is
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the second to the last day of
February of twenty twenty four. And there
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may be people out there that we'll
never get to hear it, or they'll
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hear it. But we've been raptured
out maybe the day before the day after,
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and you've been left behind station on
automatic played that sermon there will be
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a war with Russia and that coming
tribulation. Okay, now, remember this
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is a part of a series on
Psaw eighty three. So we got a
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rapture. I know we got a
coming war with Russia. I ladies and
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gentlemen, I just don't know what
to say. I'm gonna let this.
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I mean, obviously we're gonna finish
this. I'm just perplexed. How what
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has any of this got to do
with Psalm eighty three. I'm just don't
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understand Psalm eighty three. Remember this
entire thing started because I was confused by
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when it said Saw maity three,
the coming Middle East War. Now it's
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Saw eighty three, the coming rapture, Saw eighty three, the coming war
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with Russia. I just don't I
am just perplexed. But maybe maybe maybe
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I'm allowing my past confusion to impact
my present listening. So I need to
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just let this play out, see
how this dive, because maybe it's all
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going to make sense here in a
minute. And not only that, that's
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at the beginning, by the way, and near the end, a military
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campaign that is headed towards armageddon when
the kings of the East, I believe
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that those are the Asian Eastern countries
are coming in at them. You and
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I, if you're saved. When
I say you and I, I'm saying
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I'm saved, You're saved, You
and I we will return with Jesus Christ
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at the end of the tribulation.
It's so, how does Psalm eighty three
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lead to dealing with basic elements of
a certain system of eschatology? This sounds
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like a basically premal, dispensational view
of eschatology. How does Saw eighty three
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lead to this discussion? I just
don't understand. He's mentioned the tribulation he's
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mentioned the rapture, a coming war
with Russia and then a battle of armageddon
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with it. I think he said
the Asian and Eastern countries. Okay,
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what has this got to do with
Asaff composing a lament to express the feelings
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and the situation of the time in
which Asaf lived that. There's nothing here
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that makes it prophetic. It's not
a prophetic psalm. It's a communal lament.
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I'm just baffled by this. I
think everyone classifies Saw eighty three as
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a lament som not as a prophetic
psalm. I don't think it's predicting,
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it's describing the emotions and the concerns
of a real threat at that time.
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Now again, I've given everyone the
opportunity, right, Remember when we were
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trying to at least we entertained the
concept that maybe Saw eighty three, while
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some said Second Chronicles twenty is the
fulfillment of Saw eighty three, and that
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started kind of that didn't really make
sense. It didn't really I don't think
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it really fit because especially if they
said that Acef is alive during the time,
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which we found out is completely not
true. But we tried to connect
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it to Second Chronicles twenty. I
gave everyone opportunity to send me a chart
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comparing a contrasting second Chronicles twenty with
Saw eighty three. All right, everyone
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had that opportunity. I've also given
everyone the opportunity to find me a new
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Testament passage that quotes Saw eighty three, or at least references Saw eighty three
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as it then points to something future. Nobody has provided that as of yeat.
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I've given everyone the opportunity to test
these theories and to prove them.
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I just I'm just I don't get
We just read Psalm eighty three. I'm
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I'm just sitting here looking at this, all right, So maybe I don't
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know. Maybe this will all make
sense in a second, and we will
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actually touch down on this earth with
him when he comes. When he's coming
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back, we call that time when
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the second Coming. The Rapture yourself, is not the second Coming. It's
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our going to him. But when
he comes back with us, that is
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the second coming, because it's his
second coming in human form to this earth.
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The Rapture is not the second Advent, because well, we meet him
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in the clouds and we don't touch
earth when we're caught up and he meets
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us there. He's not coming down
touching the earth. He's meeting us in
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the clouds. Now, we mentioned
the Russian War, and we've mentioned the
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war at the end of the tribulation, the Battle of Armageddon. It is
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coming. We can see it.
Just you can read your newspapers, you
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can watch your evening news, and
you can just see these things lining up,
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and you can see newspeople that just
I just have to say this.
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I have been hearing that it's lining
up. That just look at the news
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and you can see it happen,
it's about to happen, or it's developing.
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I've been hearing that basically my whole
life. Even before I became a
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Christian, I started hearing things about
it. I remember as I was pretty
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young, and I don't even know
how I stumbled upon this book. I
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wasn't a Christian, didn't really have
any connection to church, but I love
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to read. So I stumbled upon
a book called like the Sign of the
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Times or something like that, and
it was like, Hey, all the
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signs are lining up, and okay. Then I become a Christian in the
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eighties. I heard it. I
heard it in the nineties, I heard
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it in the two thousands, I
heard in the twenty tens, and now
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it's twenty twenties and I'm still hearing
it. At this point, it's lined
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up like fifty thousand times. Okay, So but all right, that's okay.
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So now maybe what he's going to
do is there's a war with Russia
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and then there's a war at the
end Armageddon. Now is he going to
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then show us where Psawm eighty three
this war fits in to this? These
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two wars, They've got a war
with Russia and a war at the end.
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The war with Russia, I think
he says happens before the tribulation,
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right, so it happens before the
tribulation. Where does Psawm eighty three?
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Is this an additional war? Where
does this fit in? Maybe that's why
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he's dealing with eschatology. Is he's
trying to put this in some kind of
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chronological order. Okay, that could
be interesting. I don't know what he
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would base it off of. I
definitely don't know how any of this comes
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from Psalm eighty three. But if
he believes Psalm eighty three is a future
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war, then maybe he's going to
show us where it fits in the chronological
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map of eschatology. All right,
let's see then maybe then we're gonna get
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to Psalm eighty three here, and
this will make some kind of sense.
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Are doing their best to try to
confuse you with it and avoid a lot
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of the things that are going on. But Psalm's twenty three deals with yet
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another war. Ten nations are he
says Psalm twenty three, He meant Psalm
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eighty three. So Psalm eighty three
deals with another war. So we got
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the war with Russia. I'm assuming
it sounds like he said before the tribulation,
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we got a war at the end. I'm assuming of the millennial Kingdom
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if I understand his eschatology correctly.
And somewhere there's a third war, and
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that's Psalm eighty three. So he's
again. Now maybe maybe in some of
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the early parts he proved it,
but in part one or part two he
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never even I never really talked about
it. So I but okay, I'm
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just gonna I was just gonna go
along, right, Okay, there's a
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coming war, and Saw eighty three
describes it. Let's see where he places
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it in the chronological order of end
time. Events are listed in this condition.
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Some have tried to well to tie
this war with the events that have
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happened in our past, in the
past history of the Earth. Okay,
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now that is true. Some try
to connect Saw mayighty three to Second Chronicles
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twenty, which would be our past. It would be future for or Asaf.
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It would be future for the people, but it would be passed for
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us. Now, I don't know. I don't think that works. I
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just don't think it works really well. But okay, we can put forth
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out as a hypothesis PSAW eighty three
is a prediction of Second Chronicles twenty.
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I just don't think it works very
well, but okay, all right,
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And again, why it's a lament. It's not prophesying something, it's describing
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a current situation. To me,
it would have made more sense of Second
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Chronicles twenty provide us the historical context
of SA eighty three. The only problem
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that doesn't work because Asaf is dead
before the events of Second Chronicles twenty happens,
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so therefore it would have to be
a prediction. All right. Some
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then say that it was a future. It's still passed for us, but
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it's in the more modern past,
and he's gonna outline some of the other
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options that are presented by or by
some people, at least put forth.
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However, those things did not happen
in the manner in which Psalms eighty three
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tells us. See, God's not
trying to elk to win us, He's
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not trying to mislead us. In
the word of God. He's preserved so
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that we would have it to know
and understand these things. And so in
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Psalms eighty three really lays out for
us what God's going to do. Now
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I searched. Okay, Now what's
interesting, See, I think what he's
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referring to is some people try to
connect Psalm eighty three maybe to nineteen sixty
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seven, maybe nineteen forty eight,
so that would be passed for us.
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He doesn't seem to agree with any
of that. So he would clearly disagree
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with the second Chronicles twenty theory,
the nineteen forty eight theory of the nineteen
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sixty seven theory. And I don't
know how prevalent nineteen forty eight or nineteen
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sixty seven would be, would would
be prevalent, how prevalent those theories would
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be but he's rejecting any theory that
puts it past for us. He rejects.
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Now, my, what's interesting is
I don't understand why there's a theory
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at all. Why can't Psalm eighty
three simply be a a communal lament,
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which it's classified as, is at
least classified as a lament. Why can't
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it simply be a lament of the
psalmist lamenting to God based on a current
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situation that was happening at that time? Is it? Why do we have
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to look to any future anything?
Why don't we Why do we have to
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make this prophetic? What is there
in the text that makes us think,
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oh, this is predicting something.
Why wouldn't we just say this is describing
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something. It's not predicting something.
But that's that's what I need. Like
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if if, if all the arguments
are this is predicting this, or this
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is predicting this, and everyone's got
their theory on what it's predicting, why
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is there so much a desire to
make this a predictive or prophetic psalm and
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not simply a descriptive psalm describing the
emotions and the concern and the fear and
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the trust in God and a very
difficult circumstance that has outlined for us in
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the very Psalm itself. I just
don't understand. In preparation of Psalms eighty
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three, I searched authors of the
present day, authors of times past,
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perhaps even the century past or more, to search this out, to prepare
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for this passage. There are some
very very interesting passages, yet a great
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I guess you might just say a
great array of ideas, and sometimes people
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believe what I've got to come up
with an idea to explain this. We
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want people to understand it, not
be confused. Well, I can understand
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that we don't want to confuse people
with our preaching, but we don't want
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to change the story. We don't
want to change what God has said try
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to people. Help people think what
we think instead of what God is trying
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to tell him there and so we
need to do what God says and take
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his word accordingly. What's fascinating is
even he admits there's all kinds of theories,
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all kinds of theories from the past
of the brain. Why my thing
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is, Why is there so many
theories? Saw eighty three Asaf composes a
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lament that says God, we need
you to act because we have a current
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situation. This is the current situation. These enemies are coming together to wipe
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us off the face of the earth. The enemies are listed for us,
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eat them, the Ishmaelites Moab.
The hagwrites gayball ammon emmelech Felicitia with the
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inhabitants of tire Assyria has also joined
with them. They have helped the children
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of Lot. They are clearly listed. All of those enemies that are listed
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would have been present at that very
time. Okay, So like the text
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and the language it's used. It's
using things describing the present. It's describing
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enemies that would have been enemies at
the present. There is nothing here that
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makes me like I need fifteen theories
to figure out the when the win is
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at that time? I said,
this is what I'm so confused by.
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How did this become so convoluted and
so complicated. Look, if we can't
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figure out psaw eighty three, ladies
and gentlemen, what hope do we have
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to figure out literally anything in our
bibles? I am so perplexed by this.
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Always the word of God is context. Will agree with what it is
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saying, okay, so this chapter
is showing for us a war that could
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happen before the rapture or immediately after
the ractor. So all right, so
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he said, the context will agree
basically with the content. Well, the
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context I just don't. And so
the next thing, you know that this
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is talking about a war that could
happen before the rapture or immediately after the
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rapture. So wait a minute,
so is it before the rapture? We
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don't know. We just know it's
future on the basis of what why does
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this have to I don't understand.
I don't understand. Maybe maybe he's getting
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ready to make it make sense,
right, Maybe maybe it's getting ready to
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make sense because you know, he
thinks this is going to be before or
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after. I mean that that's it
could be before the rapture, all right,
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I just okay, all right,
let's just let's just see what happens
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before the tribulation. Now, remember
the tribulation does not start with the rapture.
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The rapture is before the tribulation,
but the tribulation starts when the Antichrist,
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the world leader. Other places,
he's called the Beast, and that's
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probably a better name than Antichrist.
He is anti Christ, but he's the
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Beast is where he's referred to more
often. But it confirms that Beast confirms
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a covenant with Israel and that will
start the seven years. That could be
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the day of rapture. It could
be a few years after the rapture.
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We don't know. The Bible doesn't
give us clarity on that, but we
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do know that's what happens. And
this war could happen before the rapture,
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after the rapture. Well, if
this war could happen before the rapture,
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then it could have happened during the
time of asaff because that would be before
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the rapture. Right, it could
have happened in second Chronicles twenty because that's
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before the rapture. It could have
happened in nineteen forty eight because that's before
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the rapture. It could have happened
in nineteen sixty seven because that's before the
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rapture. So once you say it
could happen before the rapture, then why
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does it have to be future for
us? Why couldn't it be passed because
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that would still be before the rapture. Once you make it like well,
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it could happen before the rapture,
then it could have happened in our past,
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it could happen in our present,
or it could happen in our future.
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But that just opens up the window
it could happen. It could have
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happened like I don't even know how
that narrows anything, or it could happen
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after the raptor what happens after the
rapture? Well, then well you know
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it has not occurred yet. But
if you don't know if it's before or
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if you don't know if it's after, then I then, to me,
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this is just why, like why
would you say the Bible I don't understand.
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Why wouldn't you just say it it
is describing a situation at the time
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of ACEF. I don't. Okay, maybe it's going to make sense.
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Maybe, Okay, at least he's
getting to the actual concept. Remember in
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part one, Part two, I
was getting frustrated because like they never really
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actually discussed it. At least now
in part five, we're getting somewhere.
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Now we have at least something that
we can be like, Okay, here's
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his hypothesis, here's my hypothesis.
My hypothesis now is we tried the Second
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Chronicles hypotheses right, and because the
pastor said that Jason, that Jehosaphat called
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in Asph, I was like,
well, if acefh was alive at the
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time, and we found another a
couple of other resources that tried to make
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the same claim, I was like, well, then saw maybe three the
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historical context of Second Chronicles twenty that
makes it simple. That fixes all of
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the problems. But then while we
found out all the pastors and resources saying
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Aceph was alive was only off by
a few decades agay, So then that
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completely fell apart. So now my
hypothesis is simple. Psaw eighty three is
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describing a situation at the time of
Asaph. Figure out when he lived.
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This event that's being described occurred during
that time, and he composed a communal
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lament for the people to lament to
God based on the situation they were currently
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experiencing. The end. It'll be
before the tribulation, that's this earth.
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Okay. So it sounds like he's
saying it could be before the rapture,
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it could be after the rapture,
but it will be before the tribulation.
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So it could be before the rapture, after the rapture, but before the
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tribulation. I hope that narrows it
down for you and what some people are
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trying to do on this earth.
Now, the wars spoken of in our
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text is different than the Russian coalition
that comes at the beginning. Notice first
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the verse. Let's look at the
identity of this coalition of nations, okay,
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of nations in verse six and on
through verse awly, because the nations
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all surround Israel. Verse six shows
us Edom. The geographic location of Edom
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should be what the world is trying
to identify, as well that of the
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Palestinians. Okay, Now wait a
minute, he's connecting the geographical area of
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Edom to the Palestinians. All right, we got to do a little bit
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of work. Okay, So a
couple of things here. First of all,
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at this time, when Asaf writes
Psalm eighty three, Eatam obviously were
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the descendants of Esau, who held
a long standing rivalry with the Israelites.
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That places them obviously in that very
timeframe. So we don't need to look
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for them anywhere else. But he
says, Itaedom are connected to the Palestinians.
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All right, So I'm gonna I'm
gonna do a little I'm gonna do
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a little work here because I'm a
little confused by this. All right,
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all right. Itatam is mentioned as
one of the nations in a list of
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enemies that are conspiring against Israel.
Itedom was an ancient kingdom located south of
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the Dead Sea, inhabited by the
descendants of Esau, the brother of Jacob
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Israel. The Edomites were historical enemies
of the Israelites, so again they fit
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perfectly in Psaumiti three and the historical
context. I don't know why we're but
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how do we connect edom with the
Palestinians. The modern day Palestinians are not
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direct descendants of the ancient Edomites.
The Palestinians are an Arab people who live
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in the region for centuries, and
their identity is linked to the broader Arab
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and Islamic culture. The connection between
the ancient Edomites and modern Palestinians is not
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a direct ethnic or historical line of
descent. When interpreting biblical passages like Psalmiti
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three, is important to consider the
historical contexts of the ancient nations mentioned and
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their religion and ship with Israel at
that time. The mention of Edom in
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this song refers to a specific nation
that was hostile to Israel in antiquity,
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rather than a direct reference to a
modern ethnic group like the Palestinians. So
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there's like a warning, don't do
that. He just immediately connected Edom to
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the Palaestinians. He did so by
the geographical region. Like, I don't,
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how do how do you? How
do you accomplish this? So I'm
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gonna, I'm gonna do some searching
here. I'm gonna do that. I'm
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doing live research on the air because
I'm just I'm perplexed. I am so
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confused by so much of this,
right because we've had other pastors make claims
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about the Palestinians or the phil the
Philistines, and like some of the things
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we've we've looked up other things and
just was absolutely not true now here.
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00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.880
I don't know how you're connecting Edom
with the Palestinians. I don't understand this,
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all right, So I'm gonna say, what was the geographical location of
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Edom? All right? I'm gonna, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna do
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a search for the geographical region of
edomypt Edom was an ancient kingdom region located
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in the southern part of modern day
Jordan and extending into parts of present day
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Israel. The territory of edom was
situated to the southeast of the Dead Sea,
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bordered by Moab to the northeast and
the Arabian Desert to the south and
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east. The geographical features of the
Edamite region included rugged mountain terrain, deep
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valley's rocky landscape. The ancient city
of Petra, known for its impressive rock
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00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.440
cut architecture, was a notable city
within the Edamite territory. Edam was a
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significant was significant in ancient history,
with its people known as Edomites, playing
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a role in trade routes, conflicts, and interactions with neighboring kingdoms and in
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such as Israel and Assyria. The
region has rich historical archaeological significance, offering
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insight into the culture and the civilization
of the ancient Near East. It sounds
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like that's a large area. So
I don't know, because it's a large
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area. If we have Palestinians in
that area today we say that's somehow connected
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to eat them, Like, I
don't understand how you even pull that off.
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Okay is the Okay, it's the
location of the modern day Palestinians connected
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to the to the Thank God,
I'm doing some searching if I can spell
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right, I don't know why it
won't let me. Why is it doing
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that? Okay, there we go. Okay. I hate when it tries
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to do autocurre. Now I know
what I'm typing. I don't need you
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to correct it for me, but
sometimes I do need it to correct it
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for me because the way I was
spelling Palestinians, I needed it to help
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me. All right, Okay,
okay, here we go. Let's see
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here. I'm gonna do a search. I'm just perplexed by this. How
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do you get Eatom to the Palestinians. I don't understand. Okay, the
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modern day Palestinians are not directly connected
to the ancient kingdom of Edom in terms
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of direct geographical location. The historical
territortory of Edom was primarily located in the
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southern part of modern day Jordan,
while the Palestinians are situated in the region
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west of the Jordan River, encompassing
the West and Gaza Strip. So immediately
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they say there's no connection. So
I this is what's driving me crazy about
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Psaum eighty three. Every time I
listen to a sermon and I hear a
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claim, and we do five minutes
of research, we find out that the
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claim doesn't seem to hold any water, or it seems to be contradicted.
595
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.519
Well, the area what's occupied by
Etom and the modern day Palestinian territories are
596
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.559
not the same. They are located
in relatively close proximity within the broader Middle
597
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:14.000
East region. Okay, well,
so I I I don't understand. I
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00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.159
don't understand. He just makes it
like, well, eatum is well,
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00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.000
the geographical location is the Palestinians.
And then we do five seconds of research,
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and I like, wait, there's
no connection between eat them and the
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Palestinians. There's no direct lineage,
lineage, and there's no direct connection even
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in the geographical locations. The geographical
locations were different. They're they're connected within
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00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.480
the modern the broader region of the
Middle East. So I mean, like
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I I don't understand. I don't
understand. Okay, all right, but
605
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.679
let's let's see what else is said
here. So so but like, so
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00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.719
you see, do you see how
crazy? Instead of just saying, well,
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00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.440
eat them, we're enemies of Israel
at the time Saw eighty three was
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written, so therefore it's describing a
current situation. Somehow we're gonna take at
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00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:06.320
them and then try to connect them
to the modern day Palestinians. But based
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00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:13.480
off what wild speculation. I don't
understand that Herman Nutic, my Herma Nudic
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00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.880
would be like, well, we
know who the Anamites are. They were
612
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:22.039
an enemy to Israel at this time. We know exactly, So there's why
613
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:32.079
am I looking for something else?
The Ishmaelites are the Arabs, that would
614
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:43.239
include Moab and Amon. Okay,
So now he says, the Ishmaelites are
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the Arabs. Okay, Okay,
I'm gonna type it this way. Okay,
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00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:08.400
let's see if we can get some
information here. All right, And
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00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.920
this may be true, but at
this point I don't know, all right.
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00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.760
The term Ishmaelites historically referred to the
descendants of Ishmael, who is the
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son of Abraham and Hagar and the
biblical narrative, Ishmael is considered a figure
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00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:24.159
of significance in Judaism, Christianity,
and Islam, with his descendants traditionally associated
621
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with the Arab peoples, and contemporary
understanding the term Ishmaelite is not commonly used
622
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.880
to refer to modern day Arabs.
Instead, the term Arabs is widely used
623
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to describe the people inhabit the Arab
world, our region that includes countries in
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00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.920
the Middle East and North Africa.
Where a spot where where is spoken at
625
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.320
where where you basically have a common
spoken language. All right. So,
626
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.719
while there may be historical connections between
the Ishmaelites and modern day Arabs, the
627
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.400
term Arab is more commonly used to
denote the people of the Arab world today,
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00:53:55.639 --> 00:54:01.639
reflecting the contemporary cultural, linguistic and
ethnic identities. All right, so
629
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.840
there is some connection there, right, So at least when I that's not
630
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.079
one of those I just have to
immediately go you know, there's no connection.
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00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:15.360
But the Ishmaelites at the time like
if we go back here, okay,
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00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.280
hang, I'm going to go back
to my list of all the enemies
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00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.679
and we go back because I have
them saved here? Where do I have
634
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.320
them saved here? Where do I
have them save? Right? So,
635
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:30.440
so Idam was descendants of Esau,
who had a long standing rivalry with the
636
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.880
Israelites, which would have been true
in Saw eighty three. Ishmaelites descendants of
637
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.400
Ishmael often associated with the nomadic tribes
in the region that would have been present
638
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:40.719
at the time of psawm eighty three. I don't need to connect them to
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00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:45.000
anything in the modern time. I
just need to know that they were existing
640
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.119
at the time of Saw eighty three. If they're existing at the time of
641
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.119
Saw eighty three and they are known
for conflict with Israel, ladies and gentlemen,
642
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:58.079
why am I looking for a future
fulfillment when the text screams that it's
643
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:07.039
referring to a situation was happening at
that time of the Bible days verse seven,
644
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:23.000
and today we call this place Jordan. The Hagarens an Amlek in verse
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00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:35.360
seven are the land that is now
occupied by Egypt. Okay, now we've
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got another claim here. Okay,
the Hagarens. He's using the King James.
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00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.199
The new King James has hag rights. Okay, hang on, let
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me go here. I'm going to
go back to my list of all of
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them in my own research. All
right, So the Hagwrights, possibly a
650
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:55.159
reference to a group of nomads are
descendants of Hagar all right. So I'm
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00:55:55.199 --> 00:56:00.000
gonna have to just do a little
work here, right, Okay, in
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00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:06.159
some this is all happening in real
time. Okay, that's okay, Because
653
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.079
what I want to show you is
this is almost what you have to I
654
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:12.679
hate to say this, this is
almost what you have to do when listening
655
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.400
to preaching. You almost have to
just hit pause and go look things up.
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00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:21.320
Because we have demonstrated clearly in our
study of Psalm eighty three, how
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many of these sermons have just made
utterly completely fraudulent and fake claims like asof
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00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:34.840
being alive and the events of second
Chronicles twenty We went, I went along
659
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.679
with that theory until I kept I
kept going, it doesn't make sense,
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00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.360
and I kept checking and checking,
and then finally go, no way,
661
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:43.920
there's just no way, and then
no, no, there's no he was
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00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.440
dead. So and then all these
claims about we just saw about Edom that's
663
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:53.599
just not factually correct. So now
we've got the hag rights that represents Egypt,
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all right, So and I'm gonna
put in Psalm eighty three, verse
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00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:13.519
six, the hag rights. Okay, there's my autocorrect wanting to fix that
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00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:23.199
because it doesn't like the word hagwrights. The hag rights are mentioned is modern
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00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:44.639
day Egypt the geographical location of the
ancient hag Rights. All right, let's
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00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.039
see what we can find here,
ladies and gentlemen, let's see what we
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00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:52.320
can find. The hag Rights mentioned
Insaw eighty three six, where a nomadic
670
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.920
people lived in the region east of
Israel during ancient times. They are believed
671
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.400
to have to have a tribe or
a group of people that may have roamed
672
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:04.760
across very areas in ancient Near East. While the specific geographical location of the
673
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:10.639
ancient hag Rights is not definitively known, some historical and biblical scholars have suggested
674
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they may have had connection to the
region of the Arabian Desert or the area
675
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:21.960
east of the Jordan River. Modern
day Egypt, situated south of Israel,
676
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:28.000
is not typically associated with being the
geographical location of the ancient hag Rights.
677
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:31.480
The hag Rights were more commonly linked
to regions closer to the eastern borders of
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00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:38.760
ancient Israel, rather than territory of
Egypt. It is important to note that
679
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:44.719
historical and geographical interpretation of ancient peoples
like the Hagwrights can vary, and there
680
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:49.440
may not be a precise contemporary equivalent
to their specific location In modern times.
681
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.679
I know, shocker, right.
Maybe because there's no way to connect it
682
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.679
to a modern situation. Is because
Psaun eighty three was not telling you to
683
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.880
go look for their modern connection.
It was telling you that during the time
684
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.599
of Asaf, there was a confederacy
of nations that was coming against Israel,
685
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.840
and Asaf composed a communal lament to
cry out to God. And this is
686
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.440
that lament. It has nothing to
do with the future, had everything to
687
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:19.239
do with that historical setting. But
once again, he just said the hag
688
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:24.440
wrights, that's Egypt. He just
says it dogmatically. There's nothing dogmatic about
689
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:31.599
any of this. The atom situation
just seems completely wrong. The hag rights
690
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:45.280
in Egypt seems at least questionable at
best. We remember that Hagar was from
691
00:59:45.639 --> 01:00:00.039
Egypt, and when we see Gebel
in verse seven, that would be part
692
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:13.159
of the Jordan, or it could
be part of Lebanon. It's as I
693
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:23.440
would study the scholars, they seem
to be divided on Okay, wait a
694
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:30.559
minute here, Okay, yeah,
Hagar he calls Hagar was indeed from Egypt.
695
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:35.559
All right, so that part is
true, but that has nothing to
696
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:39.079
do with the geographical location of the
Hagrides they were a nomadic tribe. That
697
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:43.599
was all okay, all right,
And then he says the scholars are divided.
698
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.360
Well, the scholars may be divided
because nobody should be trying to connect
699
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:52.000
these historical situations to future nations.
For some, I hate to say it,
700
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.719
at this point, I feel that
this is accurate, some made up
701
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:00.440
story of a future war that I
don't think Some eighty three has anything to
702
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:07.920
do with which it is. They
argue about, well, which is it?
703
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.480
You know, is it Jordan?
Is it this other place? Is
704
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:15.000
it this? What is it?
But the one thing we can say now
705
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:21.039
I'll simply said this way, either
way it is. It surrounds Israel,
706
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:36.840
and Israel's fits right into the coalition's
desires. The Philistines, of course,
707
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:46.639
represented by Gaza, and we think
of Hammas. Okay, wait, now
708
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:54.719
the Philistines is Gaza? Okay?
Oh man, this I am trying my
709
01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:12.719
best to follow all this. Is
there any connection between the ancient biblical Philistines
710
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:23.280
and modern day Gaza? All right? Let me see if we if there
711
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.840
may be, this one is accurate. Oh okay, now this one is
712
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:32.320
Oh, maybe we're onto something here. There is a connection between the ancient
713
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:37.400
biblical Philistines and the modern day Gaza
Strip. The Philistines were an ancient people
714
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.960
who lived in the region as as
Philistia, located along the southern coast of
715
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.519
modern day Israel and the Gaza Strip. The city of Gaza was one of
716
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:52.280
the five primary cities of the Philistine
uh Panopolis, along with Ashkalon, Ashtod,
717
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.880
Akron, and goth There was significant
center of Philistine culture and power during
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01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.360
Biblical times. All right, so
hey that no one, We actually have
719
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connection, ladies and gentlemen, we
actually have a connection. This one seems
720
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:13.360
to be accurate. Great, but
guess what if I just go back to
721
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.000
my list of everything I studied.
Let me go back to my list.
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01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:20.079
Hang on, if I can find
all my notes? I got my notes
723
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:27.000
scattered in so many different places.
Felictia inhabitants of the Philistine region, known
724
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.719
for their conflicts with Israel throughout history. Guess what they would have been an
725
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:37.320
enemy of Israel during the time of
Psalm eighty three UK. So like,
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01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.960
I uh, like, why are
we connecting it to something modern when it
727
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:45.719
was clearly this is describing a situation
at that time. I am still there's
728
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:52.400
not been given any textual justification for
this wild speculation and this attempt to connect
729
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.480
it, and so far this is
the only connection that seems to have any
730
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:08.400
ground and possible fact. It's interesting
that rarely do you have a day go
731
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:15.920
by that you hear something not going
on in that area in attacking Israel,
732
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:20.119
and the world is media and so
forth does everything to make Israel at fault,
733
01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:26.159
even though these people come in and
they murder babies in front of their
734
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:30.719
parents, they take videos of killing
them, and the world is supposed to
735
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:35.840
agree that they're right, even though
they use their own children and other children
736
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:42.880
to be their blocking areas so that
when the enemy is shooting, they take
737
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.440
all the bullets, they take all
the things, these children and women,
738
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:49.679
and just telling you what kind of
men they are, if we can call
739
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:57.760
them a man. So the early
part of this seventieth week that Daniel calls
740
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:14.639
it that, well, Israel just
basically traded over one thousand terrorists for one
741
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:21.239
of their soldiers back in twenty ten. I have no idea what any of
742
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:25.960
this has to do with PSAU eighty
three. I am literally about a future
743
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:30.679
war that could happen before the rapture
could happen after the rapture, but before
744
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:39.440
the tribulation. Now we're talking about
current situation and Gaza and the Palestinians and
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01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:51.159
Hamas, and I don't understand.
I don't understand, just to get them
746
01:05:51.639 --> 01:06:00.960
back, and a lot of people
said, man, not have done that.
747
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:10.639
Many of these I guess you might
say these terrorists are guilty of murder.
748
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:16.119
This is your radio pastor, pastor
Andy Bloom saying. And that's the
749
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:23.599
end of part five. The good
thing about Part five is now we're actually
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01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:28.039
getting into well I can't even call
it justific Well, no, I can
751
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.360
call it. It's their justification for
saying PSAWM eighty three. This is the
752
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:34.800
justification we have heard. I'd have
to go back and listen to part three
753
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:39.440
and four to see if I missed
something. All right, so maybe I
754
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:45.960
miss something. But the justification provided
in part five is this. These nations
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listed and Psalm eighty three, six, seven, and eight based off wild
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speculation, in many cases incorrect understanding. These nations are cannected with modern nations.
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Therefore, Saw eighty three is talking
about a future war. But again,
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if you say it can have it
happens. It can happen before the
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rapture, then why is it necessarily
future for us? It could have already
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happened. In fact, I think
this war did and Saw eighty three during
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the time of Asaf when he composed
the lament to express the emotion of that
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time. So that's even confusing.
But I mean, that's such a while.
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And look, if you're gonna connect
it to modern nations, you've got
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to be one thousand percent accurate in
all of your dogmatic assertions that it's connected
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to these people. He got one
right, one who just seemed like a
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complete, utterly not true, the
other one very questionable to almost not true,
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and then the third one, okay, relatively, that one seemed to
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one hundred percent factual. That's not
that's not how we do hermeneutics. The
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text clearly is describing a situation at
that occurred right then. So the lesson
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of Saw Maty three can't be there's
a coming war. The lesson of Ssaw
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eighty three has to be these people
crying out to God in a lament based
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off the situation that they were feeling
that they were experiencing. What can we
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learn from that? Now? I
put forth some ideas and lessons and the
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message that I've been preaching on p
Saw eighty three. You can go back
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and listen. This one is just
I'm just I don't get it. But
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I want you to go listen to
everything they make it your priority today.
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Go listen to everything they did on
SAW eighty three. Look, you can
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tell how short these messages are.
They're only about six to ten minutes long.
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You can fly through these things.
You can just fly through them.
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You can finish them all today.
I want someone to finish all twenty today,
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all right, and then email me
telling me what you think of their
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twenty parts. And if there's something
you're like, you've got to hear Part
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sixteen, just tell me. Okay, Part six I don't even need the
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timestamp. We'll just review the entire
part because I want I want to get
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well one. I want you to
hear their perspective. I want you to
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hear their perspective. I am grateful
for their perspective because it's challenging me to
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spend more time on SAW eighty three
than I've ever considered in my entire life.
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And I've worked on SAW eighty three
multiple times in different like educational situations,
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seminary Bible, college Bible institutes.
But I mean, I don't think
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I've ever spent this much time,
So I'm grateful for their perspective because it's
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challenging us. I'm just confused by
the hermineutical approach. I just don't get
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it from a hermaeutical perspective. And
that's okay, we can disagree. You
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as the listener, you benefit because
you get to hear two radically different approaches.
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So this is a positive thing.
I don't want it to be a
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negative thing, all right. So
here's what you need to do. Look
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up Psalm eighty three, the Coming
Middle East War, and you should be
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able to that'll get you to the
series, all right. If you cannot
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find the series, I will.
In fact, what I will try to
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do is I think I can say, yeah, I can share the entire
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series. I will send out a
link. I will send out a link
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to the entire series if you have
the Church one app. If you don't
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have the Church one app, I
really don't know why. It's really kind
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of offensive. Why wouldn't you download
the Church one app? Because then you
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can listen to me live and you
can get notifications sent out when I send
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out notifications, and you'll know whenever
I upload new stuff. Right, So,
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go to the Apple App Store the
Google Play Store, do a search
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for Church ohne Church O n E. Once you download the app, do
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a search for Theology Central, make
us your chosen broadcaster. Boom. You
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now have the Theology Central app and
you'll get the notification and just a few
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minutes with the link of the series
that we are referring to. Right,
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you also want the Sermon's two point
oh app downloaded? All right? You
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definitely want that app as well,
Sermon's two point oh and Church one.
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You want both of them, all
right, So I will do that,
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and then I want you to go
listen to them all I really do.
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Look, I'm not this is not
one of the situations like I think I'm
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better than them. I just don't
understand their perspective. I don't get it.
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But I want you to hear their
perspective because then hopefully it will challenge
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you to do your own study and
your own research. Right. So far,
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any of the sermons we listen to
on PSAW eighty three, they were
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all maddening, kind of like the
same thing that's happening with Joshua one to
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eight, and these are hermeneutical disputes. These are hermeneutical disagreements. Right,
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it's nothing personal hermeneutical issues. And
that's okay. The only the way you
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have hermin Like one of the best
parts of even a hermoneutics class is where
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you struggle with Okay, if they
interpret it this way, well, why
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should we interpret it this way?
Okay, what's our steps, what's our
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methods? We're going to you that
those discussions about hermeneutics is that I mean,
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you have comparing a contrasting approaches.
Sometimes it is the most beneficial.
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So you're getting to hear like,
here's how one side handled saw Maty three,
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here's how on another side. You
may have a completely different hermautic and
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a different approach. I would love
to hear your approach. If you want
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to share it, you can email
me news if at yahoo dot com,
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that's news I f at yahoo dot
com. And once again, we've gone
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over an hour. We've gone over
an hour, so hopefully you benefit all
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the work. Look, trust me, I didn't want to necessarily do that,
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but I just felt like, if
they're cute, continuing to work on
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the series. I can't just I
want people to know. Look, they're
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putting in, They've done twenty parts. They're putting in the work. I
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want that work to be listened to. I want you to go. I
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want you to go listen to their
hermeneutical work. I really do. I'm
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not being sarcastic. I obviously am
conflicted. I don't understand, but that's
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okay, that's okay. I want
I want their work to be heard.
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I want their work to be listened
to. So go download all twenty and
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if you're driving around today, just
go through one after another afternoon, just
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start with part one and just go
through them all Part one, Part two,
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Part three, Part four, Part
five, Part six. And if
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you're listening to them today, keep
giving me updates. You're in part one,
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you're part four, Part five?
Where are you at? What are
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you hearing? Give me minute by
minute? Be my reporter. All right,
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report your pross your progress through this
series, because yeah, I'm I'm
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just not understanding from all my study
and hermoneutics, I am just baffled on
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this. I'm baffled at all the
preachers who try to make this something other
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than saw maybe three, Like why
does it have to be anything other than
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Asaf. The worship leader composed a
lament to express the fear, concern,
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and work and doubt and panic of
the people during his time. The end
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that seems so simple. I don't
know. Thanks for listening. Everyone,
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have a great day. Go listen. I'll send the link out in just
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a minute, all right, God
bless
