Psalm 83: Correction and Clarification

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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast

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making Theology Central. Good morning everyone. It is Saturday, June the twenty

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second, twenty twenty four. It
is currently ten forty five am Central Time,

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and I am coming to you live
from the Theology Central studio located in

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Abilene, Texas. I have been
studying the Bible in a very systematic and

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in depth way since I became a
Christian in what nineteen eighty six, nineteen

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eighty five, somewhere around that time
it was an October. I don't know

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exactly which year. I could probably
sit down and try to figure it out.

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Eighty five eighty six, somewhere around
that time it was an October.

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And ever since then, I mean, I've told the story countless times,

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from the night I became a Christian, and that night I went home and

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read the entire New Testament, and
then by the next probably within the next

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twenty four to forty eight hours,
I had the entire Old Testament read.

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And then I just started reading the
Bible over and over and over and over

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and over and over. But then
I realized, Okay, I can read

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it, but how do you study
it? And then I've told the story

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about walking into the Bible bookstore on
Butternut Street, Abilene, Texas, looking

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for something, and then I find
this book on twelve Dynamic Methods of Bible

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Study. And it was for like
fifty cents. It was in the bargain

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bin, like nobody wanted it,
nobody cared. And I purchased that book

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and it absolutely changed and transformed my
life. And those methods of Bible study.

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I have been teaching and teaching and
teaching and teaching and shaping and changing

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and trying to make them my own
for ever since then, ever since the

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nineteen eighties. And so not only
that, then, of course, all

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the Bible colleges, Bible institutes,
seminaries, all the schooling, and all

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the pursuit of Again, why am
I going to all those different schools Because

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I want to study the Bible.
I want to know the Bible. I

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want to understand the Bible. I
want to be able to interpret it correctly.

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But I can honestly say this,
as much as I love studying,

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as much as I have loved all
of those years of trying to pursue an

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understanding of theology, scripture, church
history, as much as I have loved

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it in one way, there are
times I don't know if I'm allowed to

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say this. I don't know if
I'm supposed to say this. But there

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are times I get so irritated and
so frustrated about studying the Bible that I

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just want to throw everything across the
room and say, forget it. It's

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a waste of time, it's useless, it's meaningless, it's an exercise in

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futility. Just forget it. We're
all we all just prove how dumb we

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are. This is just ridiculous,
and probably say a lot of other things.

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Now. I know you're gonna be
like, oh, why would you

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say such, Why would you say
something like that? Why would you be

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so negative? Well, because I
get so absolutely irritated about a number of

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things. I get irritated that after
two thousand years of church history and Bible

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colleges, seminaries, commentaries, reference
tools, churches on every street, corner,

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Christian radio, Christian television conferences,
after all of that, after two

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thousand years, what do we have? We still have a Christianity that can't

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literally agree on anything. We don't
agree on baptism, we don't agree on

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the Lord's Supper. We don't agree
in the structure of the church. We

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don't even agree on the word repentance. We don't agree on salvation. We

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don't agree on ecclesiology, eschatology,
just name theology. We don't agree on

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anything. Well, you know how
irritating that is if no one can agree

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on anything? Do you know how
frustrating that is? You study, you

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study, you study, you study, you study, and then as soon

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as you put forth an idea,
as soon as you preach or you turn

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on the my road, someone's gonna
say you're wrong. You're wrong, you're

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wrong, you're wrong, You're always
wrong. No matter what you say,

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someone's going to tell you that you're
wrong. Someone's gonna say that you're wrong.

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They don't even have to have the
same level of they don't even have

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to have accomplished the same level of
study. They don't even have to go

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to Bible College, they don't have
to go to seminary, they don't have

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to write papers, they don't have
to do to you. No, no,

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they just can tell you they're wrong, that you're wrong, just because

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they I don't know, read something. It's just it's maddening. So any

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level of expertise doesn't mean anything because
someone can just tell you that you're wrong.

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Nobody can agree on anything. It
just becomes maddening. And then to

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make it, even if that's not
irritating enough, the thing that really just

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wants me to just say, forget
it, I'm just going to the liquor

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store and I'm gonna get so today
that I'm not even going to remember anything

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ever Again. Okay, I'm not
going to actually do that, obviously,

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I'm trying to express in an exaggerated
way my frustration, but that if it's

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not already irritating enough that nobody can
literally agree on anything, not only is

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it irritating enough that all you can
spend years studying, it doesn't matter.

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Someone can just tell you're wrong.
If all of that's not irritating enough,

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what really drives me crazy? As
you can listen to sermon after sermon after

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sermon, and you will hear pastors
make claims about the meaning of a Greek

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word, make claims about the meaning
of a Hebrew word, make claims about

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some kind of historical setting, make
claims about the Bible. And then,

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after you like continue to study,
you find out that the claims are absolutely

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fraudulent and wrong. It's not just
that they made a mistake, it's just

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absolute falsehood. It's just absolutely not
correct. That can drive me just to

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start screaming because forget me. What
is the average person sitting in the PU

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supposed to do is if you can't
really trust what pastors are saying, because

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they're just absolutely providing fraudulent information.
I've heard pastors say something about the church

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fathers and you go search and search
and search and like a church father never

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even said that, or did you
read the next sentence. Or they'll say

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something about a Greek or Hebrew word
like that is just not even an accurate

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representation of what are you talking about. Or they'll say this, or they'll

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make this claim and make this claim, and you'll be like, no,

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that's not true, that's not true. And at some point you're like,

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you know what, forget it,
just forget it. We can't agree on

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anything, and we don't even seem
to want to pursue some level of being

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as accurate as we can be.
And sometimes when you then call them out,

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they just get mad at you.
I can remember a local church,

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you can hear my frustration this morning. I'm just very frustrated by everything.

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I remember a local church, you
know, it was an Assemblies of God

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church, and they were preaching some
sermon and they talked something about the Trinity

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and they said one God manifesting in
three different ways. And I'm like,

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that's straight up modalism, that's Abelianism. So I emailed them and they basically

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just told me, doesn't matter.
You're being nitpicky and ignored, and like,

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you just literally promoted the ancient heresy
of modalism and you don't care.

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Did they come back and apologize,
did they take down the message? No,

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they did not care. So sometimes
it was studying the Bible just feels

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like, why we're wasting our time. I could pursue anything and be it

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would be better. And I am
frustrated today because we've stumbled upon one of

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those exact same situations. And I
feel stupid because I kind of fell for

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it, at least temporarily. Now. I kept I kept stating over and

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over and over my hypotheses, my
thesis, not that I never stated it

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in a dogmatic way at least,
And if someone can go back and listen

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to the recordings, if I did, you can correct me, and I

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got no problem apologizing. The reason
I'm turning on the microphone right now and

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I'm very frustrated and irritated is because
this is another example why I get so

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irritated and studying the Bible. But
we all know, let's go back in

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time, let's put this all together. Are you ready? I had a

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day where I was going to have
to be driving all over the place,

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So before I got in my car, I'm like, hey, it's the

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Sermon's two point oho AP Sermon Challenge
of twenty twenty four. Let me download,

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you know, fifteen sermons so that
I have them ready to go so

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I can listen to them as I'm
driving from place to place to place or

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sitting in a parking lot. So
I did that, and I stumbled upon

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a sermon entitled the Coming Middle East
War, and I'm like, oh,

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that sounds interesting. And then it
became even more interesting because it said Psalm

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eighty three the Coming Middle East War. And I'm like, wait, Psalm

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eighty three predicts a coming Middle East
war. Okay, I must have missed

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this somewhere in Bible college or seminary
or somewhat. How did I miss this

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right. So we started listening to
those sermons, and once again it led

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a little bit of frustration, didn't
it. Because after two plus hours or

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three hours ever how many hours we
spent doing review on those messages, they

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never really explained how it was talking
about a coming Middle East war. In

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fact, it turned into more about
what we're doing now. It was really

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it was really frustrating. So I
said, you know what, you know

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what, let's just forget that they've
handed us PSAWM eighty three. Let's start

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doing some work on Psaw many three. So we started doing some work.

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Somewhere in the midst of this,
I don't have the chronological order written down.

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I could have written down an outline
to put it in proper chronological order.

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Somewhere in all of this we stumbled
upon a sermon that suggested that Psalm

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eighty three, well, I think
they stated Psalm eighty three per dicted or

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was fulfilled in Second Chronicles, chapter
twenty. I think that was the original

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way they said it, and I'd
had a lot of problems with that wording

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or how they were stating it,
like which comes first? I wait,

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is that? I don't know?
Okay, Well, maybe that would work.

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And so I kept kind of struggling
a little bit with that. Right,

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So then we kept and we kept
trying to draw this correlation between Saw

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eighty three and Second Chronicles twenty.
I gave everyone a couple of assignments.

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I said, look, if you
can find anywhere where the King and Second

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Chronicles twenty calls in Asaf or mentions
ass acef, because Aceph is the author

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of Psaw eighty three. If you
do not know if the King and Second

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Chronicles twenty, which is johosephat if
he called in Aceph, if he mentions

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asef, if you can find that, let me know. And there was

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a reason why I gave you that
assignment, and I told you to make

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a chart comparing a contrasting Second Chronicles
twenty and Saw eighty three. Because we

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start kind of put forth the hypotheses. Is it possible that Psalm eighty three,

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the historical setting of Psalm eighty three
is Second Chronicles twenty, Right,

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we kind of put forth that hypothesis. And the reason we put forth that

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hypothesis is because what we were hearing
in some sermons, right, we were

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hearing this in some sermons, and
even a number of sources kind of pointed

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that, hey, there's a quote
a set of looking to a future Middle

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East war, which we kind of
just gave up on that perspective, but

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I gave everyone the opportunity. If
you can find Psaw eighty three being quoted

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in the New Testament pointing to something
future, then by all means will reconsider

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that hypothesis. But we kind of
set aside the hypothesis that psawmighty three is

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promote is predicting a coming Middle East
war. We kind of set that aside,

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right especially not only just because of
the language used in Psaw maighty three

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is talking about something past and present, not something future. All right,

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so we kind of, you know, all right, we were done with

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that. But then the Second Chronicles
twenty things still started really becoming the prominent

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hypotheses. So I kind of kept
putting forth the idea that, hey,

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Saw eighty three maybe maybe the historical
setting for Saw Maty three, maybe Second

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Chronicles twenty. And again, the
reason I started going this direction is because

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there were sermons that were connecting the
two together. Right. In fact,

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even mentioned that jojosaph fact called in
Asa. So I started looking at all

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of this and then I kind of
started going with it. So then today

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this morning, I'm like, you
know what I think tomorrow at Victory Baptist

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Church, what I'm going to do
for the first hour. Because I gave

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everyone this assignment and I haven't heard
back from many people, maybe I'll just

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go all in and we'll do a
comparing contrast during the Sunday school hour of

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Second Chronicles twenty and Saw eighty three. Right, So I started putting forth

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my preliminary kind of introductory outline where
we would do some of the basics.

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Right, what have they said in
church history about comparing and contrasting these?

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Okay, it is Psaw maybe three
is Second Chronicles twenty, you know the

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historical setting for Psalm eighty three.
So I started doing some research and then

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I came across some information and I'm
like, oh my goodness, this is

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this is an impossibility. This just
cannot work. So what we're gonna do

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is we're gonna go back to one
of the sermons that we've already reviewed.

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I'm gonna start it back. Now. I could go immediately to the time

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stamp and just go right to the
statement. But if I go right to

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the statement, someone will then accuse
me of taking it out of context,

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so we're gonna back up. I
don't want to take too long, so

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I'm not gonna do a lot of
interrupting because we've already interrupted this countless times.

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I'm hoping it happens closer to the
beginning. My studio software it does

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weird things with the time stamps,
weird things, So sometimes all I can

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do is queue it up at a
certain point and just let it go.

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So I don't know how far away
we are from the actual comment, but

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we're going to just let it develop
and then we're going to just try to

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offer some correction and clarification. But
it just once again demonstrates my sometimes why

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studying the Bible can be just absolutely
maddening and frustrating. And I've already articulated

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the reasons why it can be that
way, but here's going to be another

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example. So our entire hypothesis is
crumbled. Now that's I'm one way.

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That's a good thing, because that's
what we try to do here, right,

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and I've really tried to. It's
one of those things you never know.

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Whenever I come up with this is
what we're going to focus on.

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You never know what the reaction is
going to be. Sometimes the reaction is

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everyone jumps on board and they're like, yeah, this is awesome. And

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sometimes, like with Saw eighty three, it's been very quiet, meaning people

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aren't that interested in SAW eighty three, which then only motivates me to do

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more because it tells me if people
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to me, well there's a problem, because I guarantee you if I went

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to the average person and asked them
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would not get them right. But
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is when you go to a chapter
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for some reason, people are interested
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all scripture is given by inspiration and
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for correction, for instruction and righteousness, that the Man of God maybe thoroughly

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furnished into every good work. That
so that means we need to look at

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it. So let's go back to
this. We've already reviewed this once,

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so you may remember this, you
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to try to. We're going to
see what happens now. The goal here

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is not to I'm not going to
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to do anything here because the goal
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one person. The goal here is
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clarify, but it is to demonstrate
the sometimes frustration with Bible setting, because

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you can get told so many things. But let's see if we can detect

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it. Are you ready? Here
we go and so Saw eighty three tonight,

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if you got your Bible Saw eighty
three, let's stand real quick in

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reverence of the word. Have gone
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listen fast, I'm gonna preach fast. I'm we'll run through this chapter quickly.

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The Bible says in verse number one
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thou silence, O God, hold
not thy peace, and be not steel,

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O God, for low thine enemies
make a tumult. And they that

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hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy

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people and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, come and let

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us cut them off from being a
nation, that the name of Israel may

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be no more In remembrance. For
they have consulted together with one conceal.

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They are confederate against thee the Tabernacles
of Edom, and the Ishmaelites of Moab,

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and the Hagarenes, Deball and Amen
and Amelek, the Philistines, with

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the inhabitants of Tiree. Asher also
is joined with them. They have hopen

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the children of lot Selah do unto
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to Cesarah, as to Jabin.
At the brook of Kisson, which perished

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at Aindore, they became as dung
for the earth. Make their nobles like,

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orif like Zev and Yea, all
their princes, as ZeVA and Zalmuna,

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who said, let us take to
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Oh My God, make them like
a wheel, as the stubble before

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the wind, as the fire burneth
a wood, and as the flame setteth

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the mountains on fire. So persecute
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afraid with thy storm. Feel their
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Thy name. O Lord, Let
them be confounded and troubled forever. Yeay,

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let them be put to shame and
perish, that men may know that

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thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, arn't the most high over all the

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earth. Father. We love you. We're so grateful for the privilege we

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have to gather this evening. Blessed
now the preaching of your word in Jesus'

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name. Amen and amen, you
can be seated now. This song saw

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Mad three is a very interesting song
because when all these things started happening in

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Israel, a lot of people started
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I remember when we were there again, the rockets happening is going on,

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do you realize that all these nations
that are gathering together today are what

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you find in Ezekiel thirty eight and
thirty nine, GoGG and Magog? And

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he was all excited about it.
My wife, she says, Listen,

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she says, you know, he
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from it, but being three miles
it's not that exciting. I don't want

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to hear another thing about it.
But you know, when you look at

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that, and a lot of people
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It's not Gog and magog because the
nations that are though, we're seeing

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an alignment and a joining together of
all these nations. Understand that those nations

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that are mentioned in Ezekiel thirty eight
and thirty nine are not Arab nations.

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They're not at all mini Muslim,
but not Arab nations. What we are

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seeing now is Arab nations that are
rising against Israel and so, but understand

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that this war, and if you
remember, we had some weird things going

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on with some of the sermons we're
listening to, that these people are not

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Arab, but then we looked and
like everything classified them as Arab. So

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we already got into some weird stuff, and even in our listening that at

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that point, I wasn't very frustrated. I just like, Okay, where

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is that coming from? Like you
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if I look up anything, it's
like they're classified as Arab, their traditions

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are Arab. So like, so
now I'm not thinking that's what he was

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doing, because I don't remember which
sermon from which, because we've reviewed and

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I've listened to so many. So
but again, it just all right,

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So let's just see where he's going
to go. Let's just see where he's

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going to go. Is not a
battle against Arab and jew It is not

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a battle against Islam and Judaism,
is not that at all. It is

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a war on terrorism, is what
it is. And it is a war

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specifically focusing as it was focusing down
in the Gaza area towards Amas, but

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now up and towards Hezbela, up
in the Lebanon area. You see,

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they are all just simply proxies of
Iran. Now, Iran does not liking

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Brother Michael would tell you this.
He says that Iranians do not like Arabs.

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They're not Arabs, they're Persian.
They are not Arabs at all,

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and they don't like them. They
look down upon them. But and again,

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what we talked about this when I
think I reviewed this is we're in

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PSALMITI three and the next thing,
you know, we're talking about what's going

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on in Israel and Hamas and Gaza, and you're like, okay, can

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we get to Psalm eighty three right
now? I'm not gonna. I'm you

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know, we know he's gonna ultimately
get to Psalmadi three. But so many

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of our discermons we've reviewed It's been
very frustrating because it's supposed to be about

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Psalmity three and the next thing you
know, it's being it's talking up,

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they're talking about the church, or
they're talking about I don't know, rock

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and roll and the length of women's
skirts, and you're like, what is

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going on? Can we just get
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it's been it's been fascinating to watch, to listen to to so much of

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this. But let's let's see if
we can get to the part that I

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think we need to correct. You
know, what they will do, they

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will unite together for one purpose,
and that is the annihilation of Israel.

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That is their desire. But this
Psalm here is another song that everybody loves

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to go to. And they would
ask the questions, are we witnessing and

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event of Ssaw eighty three taking place? Some will say, and I've got

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good friends that'll even say this,
that there's a battle that's going to happen.

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Some will even say before the rapture, and some say before the tribulation

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of Saw eighty three. Now again, so this this once again brought back

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the concept that Saw eighty three that
some that some say it's predicting some coming

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war. And again it's it's everyone. Nobody offers any real tangible proof for

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why they say this so far.
Now, maybe we can keep listening to

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sermons. Right, In fact,
why I told everyone else to be listening

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to as many sermons on SAW eighty
three and let me know what you find.

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So far, No one who's put
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is promoting a future war. No
one has provided any evidence of of anything

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in fact that so that I'm still
frustrated by that. In fact, that's

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why we kind of just moved on
from that hypothesis, because even the sermons

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it seemed to refer to it as
a coming Middle East war, didn't bother

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to provide any information that would make
it about a coming Middle East war.

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In fact, they started talking more
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So I got frustrated with that.
Instead of pursuing more study of that,

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I said, okay, well let's
just look, you know, let's

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just continue to see what else we
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second Chronicles twenty connection begins to emerge
in a number of sermons, and I'm

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like, okay, this hypothesis makes
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I thought, well, I don't
think any event has to happen for the

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raps or the church. That's the
next event. Acting nothing has to take

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place, no red Heifer, No
nothing has to happen, no eclipse,

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no nothing. Listen, Jesus is
coming and nothing's gotta happen for that to

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happen. Nothing does. That's why
we believe in the imminent return of the

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Lord Jesus Christ and so. But
anyway, they'll refer to this psalm,

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but no disinteresting here in Psalm eighty
three, he says, and he starts

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off a psalm a song or psalm
of a seth. I believe this psalm

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was fulfilled, not in nineteen forty
eight, as some will hold, or

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nineteen sixty seven is so others would
hold, or either in a future event.

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It is an event that was fulfilled
in Second Chronicles, chapter number twenty.

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It was there in Second Chronicles twenty
when Jahasafat and all these nations that's

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mentioned here. It talks about Ammon
and some of these others. They're coming

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over to Angetti and they're coming out
to destroy Israel. They're trying to get

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as the Bible says their inheritance.
That so he puts forth the hypotheses that

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Psalm eighty three was fulfilled in Second
Chronicles twenty. That is alf that Psalm

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eighty three predicts it in a sense, and then it's fulfilled in Second Chronicles

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twenty. So I kind of struggled
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a prediction? Is this a prediction? But then others state things that to

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me would make it sound like it's
not that Psalm eighty three is predicting a

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second Chronicles twenty. A second Chronicles
twenty is a fulfillment, but that Second

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Chronicles twenty is the historical setting for
Psalm eighty three based off some things that

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are said. Let's keep listening and
see if something like that is said.

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That is the land, and so
they're coming out to take the land away,

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that's their desire. Jehasaphat began to
seek the Lord. He began to

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pray unto God, and all of
a sudden he called in the choir leaders,

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and he called in Asath, and
he called them in, and he

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got the singers, and the singers
started singing. And you know what God

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did when they started singing, He
sit an ambushment, and God defeated the

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enemies. Did you hear what he
said that Jehosaphat called in Asath? He

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called him in now the minute he
said that, I was like, well,

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then Saw eighty three is not predicting
Second Chronicles twenty. Saw eighty three

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is written in the context if Asef
was called in to sing, to compose

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something, then Saw eighty three would
have been the communal lament that he composed,

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right, that would have been That
would have been it. So if

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he called him it So at that
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this is great because this takes it
away from looking to a coming Middle East

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war. And now he just provided
a hypothesis that puts Acef literally in the

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midst of the event of Second Chronicles
twenty. He's literally right there in the

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midst of it. And I'm like, okay, that's great. So I

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started looking up some resources. Right, one resource said this. Asaf was

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alive during the reign of King Jehosaphat. Acef was a prominent figure in the

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Old Testament, known for his role
as one of the chiefly vites appointed by

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King Day to lead worship in the
tabernacle and temple. His name is associated

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with the Psalms, as he is
believed to be the author of several psalms,

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including some in the Book of Psalms. Jehosephat reigned over over the Kingdom

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of Judah from around eight seventy three
to eight forty nine BC. According to

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biblical chronology, Asaf's involvement in leading
worship during the time of David suggests that

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he lived a period lived during a
period that predated King Jojosepha's reign. Therefore,

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it is likely that Asaf was alive
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So I'm like, okay, I've
got a sermon, I've got information.

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I'm like, okay, okay.
So maybe I don't know why he's saying.

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Psalm eighty three predicts it because if
Johosepha is right there in the midst

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of it, and he's the worship
leader and he is to compose worship,

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well, then here's the limit for
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All right, So problem sol,
I've done so. Now all we

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have to do is compare and contrast
and see exactly how these two chapters saw

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mayighty three and psychond Chronicles twenty,
how much they have in common, and

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then we can see how God answered
the prayer of Psawm eighty three. This

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is awesome, this is great.
It's gonna be a great Sunday school lesson.

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It's gonna be a great Sunday school
lesson. But see I could not

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leave it alone. See, this
is what always gets me in trouble,

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is why, and this is why
sometimes I can get so frustrated. So

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when I came up here this morning, you know, I was sitting here

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going okay, right, So how
do I want to approach this tomorrow at

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Victory Baptist Church. How do I
want to approach this? Right? So

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let me do this. Let's let's
go through kind of the basic theory,

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the basic idea. So I started
putting things together right In fact, in

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my notes that I put together at
early this morning, around eight fifty five

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am, I think, or somewhere
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notes Psalm eighty three and Second Chronicles
twenty. The relationship between Second Chronicles twenty

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I saw many three is indeed a
subject of scholarly debate and speculation. While

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there is no explicit or direct connection
stated in the Biblical tech. Some scholars

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have theorized that Psalm eighty three may
have been inspired or composed in response to

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the events described in Second Chronicles twenty. I'm like, okay, well then

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that fits. That fits with what
I have been saying, That fits with

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this hypothesis. Okay, all right, so this is gonna be This is

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gonna be a good Sunday school class. So what I need to do now

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is I just need to look at
some points. So I put things down,

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like similar themes, historical contexts,
literary connections, shared traditions, all

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right. But then but then I
was like, but I'm still not sure,

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Like could acef. I know I've
got a pastor saying that Johoseph fat

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called him in, But where is
he getting that from? I don't know

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any am I missing something where Jehoseph
as is like Asaf come in? I

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don't know if I have any record
of that? So how could the pastor

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say it in such a dogmatic way? So it just kept bothering me.

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It kept bothering me. So I'm
like, and I know, I've got

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other sources that seem to indicate Asaph
is a lot. So I just started

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doing a little bit more work,
and I found this. According to biblical

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chronology and traditions, Asaff was believed
was believed have lived during the time of

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the king and continued his musical musical
ministry throughout the reigns of subsequent queens and

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subsequent kings, including King Solomon.
Now, when I read that, it

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was written kind of weird, but
I was like, wait a minute,

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Wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay, if he's through the reign

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of Solomon, would you even would
he have been there for Jehosephat. So

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then I start thinking, wait the
time thing, he's there during the reign

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of David and the reign of Solomon, but he's going to be there for

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Jehosaphat. And I'm like, I
don't know now. Now, now I'm

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starting to get a little suspicious,
and I'm like, okay, wait a

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minute. So then I started looking
the exact and I find this. The

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exact timeline of Asaf's life is not
explicit explicitly in the Biblical text, but

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based on the context of the psalms
attributed to him and his association with the

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Tabernacle worship, it is unlikely that
Asaf was alive during the reign of King

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Jehosephe. And then I'm like,
oh, wait a minute, now,

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wait a minute, how can I
have a pastor saying Jehoseph Fat called in

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Asaf if Asaf's not even alive,
And how how come I got another source

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telling me no, no, he
was. I'm like, we can't even

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agree whether the man was alive or
dead? Like, how how is anyone

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supposed to study the Bible if we
can't even if we don't even know if

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a person was alive or dead,
and we go around making dogmatic as This

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is the thing that drives me crazy
about the Bible. But when you start

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questioning everything and you put forth questions
and you challenge everything, then people get

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mad at me and say, how
dare you question anything? No, but

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that's why you have to constantly challenge
in question because if you want truth,

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and this is what can make Bible
study literally one of the most frustrating,

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frustrating activities on the face of the
earth. But let's do a little bit

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more reading. King Jojosah Fat reigned
over Judah in the ninth century BCE or

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BC. I know some Christians get
met if you say BCE, But all

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right, several generations after King Josephat
reigned several generations after David and Solomon several

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generations. Now I'm like, wait
a minute, if he rains several generations

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after, then how is Asaf still
there? Like okay, I'm and he's

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still in charge of the worship.
And I'm like, I'm I'm Now now

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I'm starting to have like, you
know, you know, a small panic

446
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.039
attack. I'm like, wait a
minute, Wait a minute, wait,

447
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.319
how did I not? Then I
get mad at myself, like, you

448
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.359
know, you just you can't trust
what you hear insermons. You just cannot

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trust what you hear in sermons.
Okay, But then I'm like, why

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are other sources gave me fraudulent information
as well? So now I'm getting really

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irritated, right, But I keep
I keep, I keep doing more research,

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and then I read this where is
it? I put it in my

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notes. Asaf is traditionally viewed as
a contemporary of David and a prominent figure

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in the period of the early Israelite
monarchy. Therefore, it is generally understood

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that Asaf's ministry and contributions to the
Psalms occurred before the time of King Jehosaphat.

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Right, well, okay, now
wait a minute, but all right.

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While Asaf's exact lifespan and historical context
remains somewhat ignomatic, ignomatic if I

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can speak speak the word correctly,
his legacy as a revered musician, worship

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leader, and composer of psalms have
endured throughout the Biblical canon. Through the

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Biblical Cannon, the psalms attributed to
Asaf continue to be treasured for their spiritual

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depth, poetic beauty, and thematic
richness that resonates with readers across generations.

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Okay, still, that doesn't give
me anything dogmatic, so I'm like,

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okay, I mean more information.
Asaf, the author of Psalm of some

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psalms, including Psalm eighty three,
was indeed alive during the reign of King

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David. However, when it comes
to the events and Second Chronicles twenty during

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the ring of King Jehosaphat, Asaff
would not have been alive at that time.

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And then I was like, but
I just heard a sermon and told

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me that Jehosaphat literally called the man
in. He obviously didn't call him in

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if he was dead, So then
I'm like, okay, come on.

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Now got to be able to figure
something out. We've got to be able

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to figure something out, right.
So I'm like, okay, I got

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to do more. I got to
do more work, right. The Biblical

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account places Asaf as a contemporary King
David and one of the leaders appointed by

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David to oversee worship in the tabernacle. Asaf's influence in the realm of worship

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is primarily associated with the time of
David and Solomon, not later periods like

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the reign of Jehosaphat. During the
reign of Jehosaphat, it was likely that

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other levites of musicians would have been
in charge of worship, as Asaf and

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his descendant roles were more prominent during
the time of David and Solomon. Therefore,

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while Asaf may have been alive during
David's reign, he would not have

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been present or in charge of worship
during the events of Second Chronicles twenty and

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the time of Jehosaphat. So,
in other words, the hypotheses literally collapses

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and falls absolutely apart, and then, just to drive the point home,

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continue to look. King Jehosaphat reigned
from eight seventy three to eight forty nine

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BC. As Asaf was a contemporary
of David, who reigned around one ten

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to nine seventy BC. It is
estimated that Asaff would have likely died several

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decades before the reign of King Jehosaphat. Using these dates as a reference,

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it can be estimated that Asaf would
have likely died around nine thirty to nine

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twenty BC or earlier, which would
have been several decades before King Jehosaphat's reign

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even began. Now, ladies and
gentlemen, that's maddening. I'm sorry.

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Hitting the microphone, that's maddening.
I want to hit the microphone. I

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want to rip the microphone off its
arm and throw it across the room along

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with everything else. So I guess
we could then backtrack, see, And

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that's what's so confusing that, Remember, that was what was confusing me about

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some of the sermons they kept saying. Psalm eighty three predicted second Chronicles twenty.

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Right, a second Chronicles twenty was
the fulfillment of Psalm eighty three.

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The Psaw eighty three was prophetic.
But then they would turn around and put

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Aceph right there in the midst of
the events. Well, then, why

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would you say it's predictive. If
he's right there in the midst of the

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events and he's called in to sing
and to worship, and he's the worship

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leader, well then that was what
he composed. Then that would put Psaw

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eighty three in the historical context.
But now we know no Aceph was dead

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before Jehosaph fact, so then you
could argue, is this predictive? The

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only problem about making it predictive is
the language is not predictive. It's a

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00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:59.239
communal lamit. It's not a prophetic
psalms. It's a lament psalm. And

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he's not sting about what will happen. He's using words. Lord. Aceph

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is saying, Lord, right,
I need you to speak now, because

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00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.320
your enemies are making a tumult.
Now, they who hate you, they're

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00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:14.840
lifted up their head. They have
taken Crafty council together. Aceph is talking

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about something going on. Well,
he's alive, he's he's speaking a limit

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for the people at that time.
Remember, we did a whole thing about

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past, present, future. So
the correction that I need to issue here

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is that Psalm eighty three, the
historical context for Psau eighty three, cannot

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be second Chronicles twenty. It cannot
the events of Second Chronicle twenty happens decades

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after Asaf I think they or generations
after I. I don't want to use

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the incorrect way years later Acep's during
the I'm a David maybe through Solomon,

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00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:09.519
but he's not there for Johoseph fats
Rain. So you either have to make

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it predictive. And if it's predictive, well then you can't call it a

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00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.920
lament palm. You'd have to call
it a prophetic psalm. But the language

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00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.239
is not speaking of something prophesying.
It's speaking of a current event, a

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00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:25.679
current situation, making then the event
of Psalm eighty three not connected to Second

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00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:31.280
Chronicles, Chapter twenty. No matter
how many things may be in common,

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they may have a common There may
be some things that are in common that

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00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:45.320
we can compare and contrast, but
it's not the same event. One is

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not predicting the other, and one
is not the fulfillment of the other,

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and one is not written in the
historical context of the other. They are

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completely separate. And Asaff most likely
it appears, and I'll still stated as

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a hypothesis, is Dad Jehosah fact
did not call him in. I don't

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00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:10.239
know where that came from. Now, it's a high probability just made a

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00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:19.000
mistake, which is fine, right. I understand when you're speaking live,

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00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.519
you can get names mixed up,
places mixed up, you can say things

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00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.039
incorrectly. I do it all the
time. So but what just drives me

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00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.840
crazy is we had multiple I think
multiple, multiple sermons. I'm going to

533
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:36.039
lose my voice. We had multiple
sermons connecting so many three with Second Chronicles

534
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:40.239
twenty, multiple ones, but none
of the ones that we listened to bothered

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00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:49.159
to even deal with the chronological issues
here. And I had more other sources

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00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.320
putting asaf right there in the event
of Second Chronicles twenty. And there's just

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00:40:53.440 --> 00:41:00.719
no way not just think about this. How in the world is the average

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00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.719
person supposed to study the Bible?
How are we ever going to come to

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00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.360
the understanding if we can't get it
right now? This is I want to

540
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.519
drive this point home. This is
why I get so irritated when you have

541
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:22.159
a large number of Christians who make
these ridiculous claims like the God God's going

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00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.679
to lead us into all truth and
the Holy Spirit gives us understanding and the

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00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.719
Holy Spirit helps us understand the Bible
and the and so when pastors per,

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00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.559
Lord, help me say what you
want me to say, and keep me

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00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.280
from saying what you don't want to
say, guide us, teach us.

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00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.960
If he's guiding, teaching, and
telling you what to say, then why

547
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.519
is it that we can't get anything
right? And not only do we say

548
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.280
things that are completely fraudulent. Nobody
can agree on anything. If God's leading,

549
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.039
guiding, directing, and literally telling
us what to say, then there

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00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.400
should be one hundred percent doctrinal unity, and there's not. So God is

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00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.079
not intervening that way, and anyone
who thinks they are are just denying the

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00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.320
reality around us. God has given
us his word. It's our job to

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00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:07.039
figure it out, and it requires
lots of tedious work. And these are

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00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.280
the kinds of things that nobody wants
to deal with because they're not fun sermons,

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00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.440
they don't have three points, they're
not all the trash that people could

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00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.320
criticize me for. And I'm going
to criticize their criticism as being trash because

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00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.400
this is the kind of tedious work
that must be done. If you want

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00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:31.320
any meaningful understanding of the text.
We have to figure these very You almost

559
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.159
see them as useless information. Just
give me, just give me something,

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an application. Well I understand we
want an application, but we got to

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00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:44.760
want to know the truth first.
So in some ways, I'm glad I

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00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:50.440
discovered this at around eight something am
this morning, because my entire Sunday school

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lesson would have been a waste of
absolute time. That's why you can never

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oh the lesson you get to take
from this. You can never rely on

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00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:06.719
your past understanding when you presently study. We've been studying Saw eighty three all

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00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.199
week, and guess what I did
on this day. I tried to ignore

567
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:15.960
everything that I just learned this week, like even though I just learned it

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00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.960
this week, in a sense,
you know, I studied it this week.

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On this day, I rejected the
past understanding to pursue new understanding because

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00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.840
it just did not sit right with
it. It just did not make sense.

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00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.280
Even though at first I was like, Oh, this solves all the

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00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:40.000
problems, because that sounded so great. Oh Asaf was alive. Well then

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00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:46.159
hello. Saw eighty three was then
composed during the events of Second Chronicles twenty

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and Second Chronicles twenty gives us the
rest of the story. As Paul Harvey

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used to say, because it tells
us how God answered the prayer. We've

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00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.239
solved it. Well, guess what, No, we did not. That's

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00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.760
completely erroneous. That was it was
a flawed hypotheses. It was completely in

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00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:07.320
error. It was completely wrong,
And I was an idiot to even entertain

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00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:13.840
the hypothesis. I was a complete
full for entertaining it. I should have

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00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.360
caught it almost. I should have
caught it immediately, And I don't know

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00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.360
why I did. It just threw
me off when he said because I was

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00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.719
so what I was afraid of.
When he said Jehosaph fact called in Asaf,

583
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.639
I immediately went into panic mode,
thinking, wait, how did I

584
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:37.320
miss this? How did I miss
this? I started thinking like, wait

585
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.360
a minute, is there something in
the Bible that I felt like I was

586
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:44.039
an idiot because I missed it?
Well, no, I wasn't an idiot

587
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.360
because I missed anything. I couldn't. I could not have missed that part

588
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:51.559
where Jehosaphact called in Asaf because it
never occurred. Because it looks like it

589
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.760
appears as of this day, June
the twenty second, twenty twenty four,

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00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:02.760
that Asaf was dead. He could
not have been called in. That's one

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00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:07.119
of those cases, I should have
probably been a little bit more instead of

592
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.559
being like, ooh, I could
have been wrong. I should have been

593
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.039
more forceful and said no, I
know that's not the case. I know

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00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.159
that never happened. But I'm always
worried that I may have missed something,

595
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.920
because I mean, the Bible,
you know, no matter how many years

596
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.679
you've been reading and studying it,
at least for me, my my biggest

597
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:30.119
area, my biggest weakness and Bible
study is always trying to keep all the

598
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.519
names straight right, Okay, this
king lived when? Okay? And who

599
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:37.320
was associated with him? Like trying
to keep all the names right. You

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00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:39.360
got Asaf Jehosaphat, you got,
you got the names of all of these

601
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.000
nations, the Ammonites, the Philistines, and you got you got all of

602
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.559
all of this stuff, especially in
the Saw eighty three references things that happened

603
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:51.239
in the Book of Judges, and
it's like, oh man, I got

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00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.440
names and places and events and chronological
order. Some of that can get very

605
00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:00.960
convoluted, especially when you get into
kings and chronicles and and some of those.

606
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.679
Yeah, things can get all turned
around. So I was fearful that

607
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:10.119
I completely missed. When Jojosaphat called
an Asap, I was convinced that admit,

608
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but then I realized he didn't give
a reference to that. So I'm

609
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:23.559
glad that I kept questioning it.
So it seems like Psaw eighty three has

610
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:30.360
no connection to Second Chronicles twenty other
than similar themes or similar concepts or similar

611
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:38.039
ideas. But it's not. Saw
Maity three was not predicting Second Chronicles twenty

612
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:43.079
or predicting the event that was fulfilled
in Second Chronicles twenty. Sawmity three does

613
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.519
not fall into the historical context of
Second Chronicles twenty, and Asaf was dead

614
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:52.519
before Johosephat began to rain. At
the same time, I reject the idea

615
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:57.239
that psalm Mati three is predicting a
coming war. It's clearly articulating something that

616
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.719
was happening during the life of Asaf. If Second Chronicles twenty happened during the

617
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.800
life of Asaf, you could see
then why that would be an easy way

618
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.679
to solve the all the debate,
dispute and debate over it would be like

619
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.679
this is simple, But it appears
it wasn't the case. Now guess what,

620
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:21.280
I'm ready to correct this correction if
I can find additional information, But

621
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:27.679
it sounds like most of the sources
now are pretty dogmatic that Acef would not

622
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.239
have been alive, especially if you
have him during the Ring of I mean,

623
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.920
you've got King, you've got David, Din, you've got Solomon.

624
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.920
Joe's fact comes way later. So
there's I think. I think, just

625
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.920
from a logical perspective, even if
face Aff would have been alive, it

626
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.559
would have been it wouldn't have been
the leader of the worship at that time.

627
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.000
There's no way. And I don't
even know how old he would have

628
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:57.199
been. You'd have to count how
many years from David to Jehosephat. Well,

629
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.079
he could probably do the math.
Some of you are better at doing

630
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.159
math than me. You could probab
figure out how long from David's reign to

631
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.800
jehosah Fat beginning to reign. How
many years was that? Well, how

632
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.480
old was Jehosaphat when he was put
in charge of the worship during David's reign,

633
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.800
Well, then you say he was
even if you go with a very

634
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.800
early age of twenty, how old
would he have been then by the time

635
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.599
johost Fat You could start figuring out
the math for those who want to do

636
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.800
even more research, and it's very
worth your time. But what can we

637
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.360
take away from this? Well,
can we take away from this a couple

638
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.119
of things. Number One, whatever
you hear me say or any other preacher

639
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:36.639
say, it's your response. Look, unless we're going to go back to

640
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.760
Catholicism and you're going to accept a
magisterial authority that has the authority to offer

641
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:45.760
the interpretation, if you're going to
reject that concept, well, in the

642
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.400
Protestant world, no matter how much
we like it or not, it's your

643
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:54.599
problem. It's your responsibility. You
cannot trust what you here preached because those

644
00:48:54.639 --> 00:49:02.239
preachers may we do not have magisterial
authority. So it's upon you to study

645
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:07.079
to know with what's being said is
true. Now which again then kind of

646
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.920
which then raises the question, what's
the purpose of church If you've got to

647
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.800
sit there and then not only listen
to a sermon, then go home and

648
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.159
verify if everything in the sermon was
correct, what's the point of going to

649
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.199
church in the first place? I
think it does. It does begin to

650
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.119
cause some issues right there, all
right. At the same time, the

651
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.639
people in the church are supposed to
maintain some kind of authority. It just

652
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.400
becomes maddening. But you can't trust
what you hear. You've got to check

653
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:37.199
it. Second. It just demonstrates
that even if you learn something on a

654
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.119
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, when it's Saturday morning

655
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.320
and you're still dealing with the same
subject, don't rely on what you just

656
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:51.440
learned. You got to constantly be
challenging and questioning and pursuing. You've got

657
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.400
to remain teachable, you've got to
remain humble, and you've got to be

658
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.119
willing to turn on a microphone and
go, hey, guys, our entire

659
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.679
hypothesis that I that thought was true
or at least was plausible, has fallen

660
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.440
completely apart, and I take full
responsibility for it. I was stupid.

661
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.039
I just immediately I went into the
way of thinking, like, how did

662
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:15.840
I miss Asaf being there during the
time of Jehosaphet? How did I miss

663
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.199
this? And then I don't know
why some sources were agreeing with that,

664
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:25.679
but it sounds like the large number
of sources completely contradict that, and the

665
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.360
math I think is beginning to become
clear. There's no way Acef was alive,

666
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.039
and even if he was. There
is no way he was called in

667
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:37.800
by Jehosaphet to compose this communal lament
at least I don't think it would be

668
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:46.239
impossible. Now, that's what we
learned from this today. Now we're not

669
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:50.840
going to stop working on Saw eighty
three. Now we still have work to

670
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.519
do. I just got to change
my entire Sunday school lesson now, which

671
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:59.639
was going to be SAW eighty three
has Second Chronicles twenty. Ladies and gentlemen,

672
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:04.960
let's consider Second Chronicles twenty as the
historical as the historical setting for Psalm

673
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.440
eighty three. Let's look at the
what they have in common and look at

674
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.719
what they have different. I am
glad that I could not let it rest

675
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.559
about the ASAF situation. I'm glad
I could not let it go. I

676
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:21.519
am glad I could not let it
go. I am so glad just so

677
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.960
because I would have made a I
would have been a complete idiot, is

678
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:30.800
what I would have done. And
you talk about so close to making myself

679
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:37.000
out to be a complete idiot,
so close the entire Sunday school lesson would

680
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.679
have been. I would have had
to delete that, oh man. I

681
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:45.920
would have just went from church to
the liquor store. Okay, so there

682
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.719
you go. But that's I'm look, well, this is the case.

683
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.000
I wish others of would have been
able to figure this out this week and

684
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:57.079
have discovered this, but no one
else did. I'm glad I stumbled upon

685
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.000
it because I would have been in
trouble, and I I hope that you

686
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.159
didn't just immediately just assume all of
this that you have been at least challenging

687
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.960
it or questioning it. But we
will continue to do work. We're going

688
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.039
to figure out saw Many three to
the best of our ability. We may

689
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:19.079
never have the historical setting for it, and that's okay, all right.

690
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:25.719
I don't know what else to say. If you listen to any other sermons

691
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:31.000
that connect Psalm eighty three with Second
Chronicles twenty, and they put forth the

692
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:36.159
concept that Aceph was called in by
Jehoseph fat or was alive or witnessed it,

693
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.639
let me know if they say that
it was simply Asaph was dead,

694
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:45.199
but this is his prophetic prediction of
Second Chronicles twenty. What is their support

695
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.400
of that? And if you hear
something on saw Many three that says so

696
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.599
Many three is predicting a future war, what is their support for that.

697
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.000
It's just weird. Either you have
it goes so far. We've been given

698
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.800
too major hypotheses. It's predicting a
war uh in the future, or it's

699
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:05.159
predicting well, I'm sorry, let's
state it this way. It was predicting

700
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:09.280
a war in the future for the
Asaph which happened in Second Chronicles twenty,

701
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.920
or was predicting a war that is
going to happen even in our future.

702
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:19.840
So I guess both. I guess
both cases. Psalm eighty three then would

703
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.840
be predicting a future war. If
you make it a prophetic sum I just

704
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.840
I don't think it's prophetic. I
think it's a communal lament. It's not

705
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.559
a prophetic one. It's describing something
that was going on at the time.

706
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.840
I just thought it was possible to
then take Asaff and put him in the

707
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:40.639
midst of Second Chronicles twenty. Then
it would have made perfect since and that

708
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.400
hypothesis is wrong. That's how you
have to do study. You've got to

709
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:51.360
put forth hypotheses and question and challenging
test and never stop doing it. So

710
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:53.679
you say, well, what have
we studied Saw eighty three? Next year,

711
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.440
I'm going to throw out everything we
were talking about today, and we

712
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:02.000
would start over brand. I knew
I would not rely on any past notes

713
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:06.280
or even any of my past sermons. They said, well, what happens

714
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.840
of next year? You come to
a completely different meaning. That's called study.

715
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:15.239
That's okay. I'd rather be wrong
every year until I finally get it

716
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:21.039
right, then to be wrong every
year thinking that I was right, okay,

717
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:27.280
because then I can never correct it. All right, I'm frustrated.

718
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.760
Now I got to figure out.
I got to change everything now. So

719
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.800
that's what I'm going to do.
Thanks for listening. You can email me

720
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.920
your thoughts on all of this news. I f at Yahoo dot com NEWSI

721
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:43.559
f at Yahoo dot com. That's
news. I f at Yahoo dot com.

722
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And all I can challenge you to
do is continue to study, be

723
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.719
better at studying than you were the
day before, and let us all pursue

724
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:59.159
truth and be willing to admit when
we're wrong. Thanks for listening. God bless