Feb. 7, 2025

Permanent and Provisional

Permanent and Provisional

A look at a list of things we received in salvation and a discussion about if they are permanent or provisional.

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A look at a list of things we received in salvation and a discussion about if they are permanent or provisional.

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. Good evening everyone.

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It is Thursday, February sixth, twenty twenty five. It is

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currently six fifty pm Central Time, and I am coming

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to you live from the Theology Central studio located right

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here in Abilene, Texas. Now, if you have a pencil, well,

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you can use pen Okay, you can use a mark

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or you can use whatever. If you have something to

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write with, you'll need some paper or at least you

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know something to write on. And I want you to

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write down two words. I want you to write down

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the word permanent. And secondly, I want you to write

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down the word provisional. Permanent, provisional, permanent, provisional. And we're

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going to talk about, well, is this permanent, is it provisional?

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What's the difference? What does this mean? Why are we

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going to talk about permanent and provisional? And we're going

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to talk about all of that, but before we can,

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we have to talk about something that wasn't permanent. And

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that's the title of my last broadcast, my last broadcast.

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If you noticed when you looked at the sermon's two

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point oh app or if you're looking on Spotify or

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any of the podcasting apps, you would have noticed that

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I called, and I gave the title for that last

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episode Hebrews and seventy a D. Hebrews and seventy a D.

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All right, maybe it should it be Hebrews and seventy eighty. Okay,

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maybe I've got the whole thing grammatically incorrect. Okay, but

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I put seventy a D. That's how I wrote it out,

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seventy a D. And I didn't give it any thought.

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I just moved on. And the reason I didn't give

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it any thought is whenever I'm preaching or teaching on

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seventy a D, I always say seventy a D, seventy

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a D seventy That's how I always speak. Seventy a

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D seventy eighty. I say it a million times, right,

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seventy a D, seventy a D, and I always speak

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it that way. That's how I always speak it. Never

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gave it any thought, never, never was an issue, just never.

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So when I typed the title, then I put seventy

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a D. However, you'll notice it no longer reads seventy AD.

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That title was not permanent it was a provisional title.

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It changed, all right. And what changed is now it

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reads AD seventy A D seventy. Now why did I

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change it? Well? I changed it because someone emailed me

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at two forty four pm Central time and pointed out, hey,

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that's not actually correct, and I was like, okay, that's man.

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Oh now I feel dumb. Now I feel foolish. Now

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I know I could just change it. Ninety nine percent

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of you would never even notice. You probably didn't even

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notice that it was changed. Most people probably wouldn't care

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if it says AD seventy or seventy eighty. Some of

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you would. But the point is, I do want to

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be accurate. I do want to be correct because well,

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I mean the other day I was I was challenging

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and correcting a podcast because they kept saying, you know,

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this happened in thirty three AD, and then they were

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pulling facts from sixty six AD, and I was going

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after their accuracy and not being factual. All right, So

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I do want to be as accurate as possible. Now

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I'm the first one to admit, like, I'm not willing to.

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You know, by no means am I trying to. I

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try to be as real as I can. I'm the

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first one to acknowledge grammatically not always the best, right,

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I'm not always the best. You can hear sometimes my

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subject verb agreement, and you can hear sometimes I say

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a lot of things incorrectly, And I know I'm very

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bad when it comes to sometimes being grammatically correct. And

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ever seen anything I've ever written, Punctuation is not a

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strong It's not my strong point either, Okay, So I

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tend to go with my strong suit would be like ideas,

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big ideas, breaking ideas down necessarily, especially writing it. I'm

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by no means am I strong at that. I think

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when college professor said, you have great content. Great when

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you write, it's amazing. Great, whether you're writing a story,

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whether you're writing this, The content is great, just you've

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got to learn to state it in a more grammatically

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accurate way. And maybe you know, I don't know, you

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want to throw in some kind of punctuation because it

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looks like just one long run on sentence. So I

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know that I have that weakness. I'm the first one

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to admit that. But because if I'm going to challenge

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accuracy somewhere else, I need to be challenged so someone

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pointed out they emailed me and said, AD goes before

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the number A D seventy, meaning the year of our

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Lord seventy unless it is a century when it come

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where it comes before second century AD. And then so

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the person was was, you know, kind of like they were, Yeah,

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I think they were being somewhat friendly about it. But

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I was like, oh man, they they got me, they

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got me here, and so I immediately changed it. Now

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to be fair, I will throw this in there. Ady

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seventy is structured according to the Latin convention. Right, it

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really is, since AD and O domini right means in

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the year of our Lord. In Latin, the adjectives and

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descriptive phrases typically precede the noun they modify, which is

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why AD seventy follows that order in the year of

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our Lord, right, and the year of our Lord seventy.

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That's if you were to write it out in the

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year of our Lord seventy. However, modern English generally places

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adjectives and descriptive phrases after the noun the year seventy

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A D, which is why seventy AD feels more natural

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to many English speakers. So that's the way I always

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say it seventy a D, seventy a D, seventy a D,

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seventy a D. Because I say that, then in my mind,

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well that's how I'm going to write it. So AI,

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this is how AI says it. While eighty seventy reflects

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the Latin structure and is technically the traditional and academically

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preferred form, seventy a D follows a more natural English

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word order, which explains why it's commonly used in non

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academic settings. Now it's a podcast title a non academic setting,

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well it is. However, if your podcast is about theology,

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about being accurate, well then I should have done it correctly.

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So I definitely made that change. So it was not permanent.

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It was provisional. I will say this, All of my

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titles are provisional and can be changed, and they needed

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because now I need to go back and look at

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the whole thing. I think the whole thing is grammatically incorrect.

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I think the whole thing is messed up. So I

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will go back and make sure it's grammatically correct, and

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I do apologize for that, and because I do want

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to be accurate, and I'm grateful to someone took the

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time to email me and point that out. But I

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wanted to. I wanted it to be acknowledged, right because

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I don't I do not like and I do get

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bothered sometimes when when I've listened to a sermon and like,

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you know, the whole thing is just a train wreck.

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The whole thing is just like a mess. In many cases,

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they won't come back and offer a correction. They'll just

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delete it and it's no longer. I think. I like

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to leave my in some ways, I would like to

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have left my mistake. If I had enough room in

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the title, I should have just left put two titles there,

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the incorrect one and the correct one. That would be better,

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because that's the way we all learn, right. If you

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see my mistakes, then you won't make the same mistake.

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I mean, there's lots of times with grammar or punctuation,

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someone else will say something. I'll be like, oh, okay,

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I got to remember not to do that, because I

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do that all the time. I do that all the

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time because I do. I do make some serious mistakes sometimes,

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so that I wanted to just get that out there,

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to offer the correction and put the correction on record.

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But it also serves as a good example of permanent

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versus provisional. Permanent versus provisional. Well, it may not be

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a great example of provisional, but it's a great example

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of not being permanent. Right. So here's what's going on.

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Here's what we're going to do. This is going to

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go relatively quick. This we're going to go back to.

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I still have that sort of The Lord newspaper right

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here in front of me from January third, twenty twenty five.

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I am getting my money money's worth for that, or

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I should say you're getting your money's worth from this paper.

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I mean, you didn't pay for the paper, but you're

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getting your money's worth because I'm tearing this issue apart,

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and really it's amazing how many hours of broadcasting can

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come from just a few things and an issue of

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the sort of the Lord newspaper. But on page twenty

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one they have an article entitled seventeen Things that come

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with Christ. That article caught my attention because I took

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a course at a Bible institute I attended. I think

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it was like a semester long, and we had to

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go through all the things that we obtain because of salvation,

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and we had to find it and then you know,

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explain what it was and cross reference scriptures and just

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kind of it was almost like a semester long project.

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I loved it. I thought it was fun. I thought

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it was great. So I'm like, oh, this seventeen things

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that come with Christ. Okay, I wonder if are going

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to have the same things. I was just kind of

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interested to see where there was going to go. Now,

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they quoted Hebrew six ' nine, which immediately kind of

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bothered me a little bit because they quote Hebrew six

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' nine and immediately, in fact, in this entire article

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where Hebrew six ' nine is the text, they never

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reference eighty seventy or seventy a D. They never reference

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it once. And that's why I did the last broadcast

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about Hebrews and seventy a D. All right, so so

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we've already covered seventy a D. We've covered everything about it.

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But I'm going to read here a little bit of

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the article and wait till you listen for the words

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permanent and the words and the word provisional. Are the

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word permanent and the word provisional? You're ready? Here we go.

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Now once they quote they quote Hebrew six ' nine.

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But beloved we are persuaded better things of you and

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things that accompany salvation. Now again we and you, we

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have identify the we and you. The you is not

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you and me the Okay, it has a historical context.

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Go back and listen to the last broadcast. Now, of course,

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this article doesn't start with the original recipients. It starts

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with good news exclamation point. When you received Christ. You

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received not only eternal life, but also many other things

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that came with Christ. Okay, Now, immediately I stop and go.

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You quoted Hebrew sixt' nine. How in the world have

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we been injected into this? How did we end up here?

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Are we not going to talk about Hebrew six '

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nine in its original context and how it relates to

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eighty seventy or seventy AD? But okay, it's not going

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to do that. I should have expected that. They go

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on to say, at that time, the article continues, at

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that time, you speaking of us may have been unaware

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and unknowing. Even now you speaking of us maybe un

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away where and unknowing of all the bundled things you

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received with Christ inconceivable. Well, can I wait a minute,

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I don't know how this all became about us? But

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it all became about us. All right, great, we've covered that.

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Next paragraph. You're ready, Here we go. Next paragraph. At salvation,

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Christ welcomes you into the Family of God. They quote

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John Chapter one, verse twelve. I don't quote, yes, put

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it in parentheses. Are you ready? At salvation, Christ welcomes

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you into the Family of God with at least seventeen

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additional unearned and unexpected gifts. So when you become a Christian,

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you receive, according to this seventeen additional unearned and unexpected gifts. Right,

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these are Now it's going to list the seventeen. Are

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you ready. You may want to write these down. It's

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going to list seventeen faith, belief, repentance, atonement, amputation, reconciliation, ransom, regeneration, justification, grace, mercy, propitiation, adoption, redemption, sanctification, peace,

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and eternal life. Besides these in my list, there are

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may there may be more incomprehensible. All right, now, let's

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go through this again. According to this article, when you

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get saved, I'm gonna read directly their words. When at salvation,

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Christ welcomes you into the family with at least seventeen

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additional unearned and unexpected gifts. This seems to be trying

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to claim these seventeen things is what you get when

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you become saved. Now there's art. We could get into

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a whole argument about order salutis in the order of salvation.

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This gets into a major theological dispute. I'm not here

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to engage in that dispute right now. I'm looking for

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the words permanent and provisional. That's what that's that's all

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I want to focus on right now. Because some of

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you are like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait

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a minute, wait some do some of these procede salvation?

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into that philological argument Christians are not agreed upon. I

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know it's shocking. In two thousand years there's still no

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agreement upon that. But just those are the seventeen things.

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Let me name them one more time, and I really

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challenge you to write these down right So at salvation,

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Christ welcomes you into the family with at least seventeen

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additional unearned and unexpected gifts. Are you ready? Here we go,

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Number one faith belief. I'm going to count these out.

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You can just write them down and write down the

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number so number one are well, I'm just not going

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to give number faith, belief, repentance, atonement, amputation, reconciliation, ransom, regeneration, justification, grace, mercy, propitiation, adoption, redemption, sanctification, peace,

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and eternal life. Besides these in my list, there may

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be more incomprehensible. All right, next paragraph, the next paragraph here,

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it's really actually it's just a sentence. It's not even

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a paragraph. It's just a sentence. All right. So right

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here where the crease of the paper is, when you

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receive Jesus, you also receive these seventeen things. So you

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get all seventeen of those things when you receive Jesus.

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Now I can't. Oh, there's so much we can get

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I'm trying. I'm trying to pull back. Don't go full

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blown into all the philological arguments here. Just go with this,

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all right. So now, when you receive Jesus, you also

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receive these seventeen things. So those seventeen things we receive

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when we receive Jesus. Okay, great, Now here is the

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line that I want to focus on. Ten of these

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are permanent, Seven are provisional. Out of the seventeen, according

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to this article, ten are permanent. Ten of them are permanent.

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Things you received when you receive Jesus. You receive seventeen things.

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Ten of those seventeen are permanent. I want you to

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try to identify the ten permanent things. Seven are provisional,

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seven are provisional. Now, permanent just means it's there. It's

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not going to change the way. This article describes provisional

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as provided when you need them. So ten things are

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just they're they're permanent. Seven are provisional. They just show

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up when you need them. They just show up when

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you need them. Now, I could go right in right

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now and just go all the way in, but I

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did not want to do that. I wanted to make

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this relatively short. I want to I almost did this

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as a Bible pop quiz. We need to get back

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to doing those we really do. But we'll just right now,

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we'll just leave this here almost like you know, as

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far as you know, a Bible study, I don't know.

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I don't even know watch series even to put this in,

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what I want you to consider is I want you

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to consider all seventeen of those things. I want you

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to look at those seventeen and if you were to

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say which one which, if you were to try to

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identify which ten are permanent in which seven are provisional.

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I'm not saying this is even right. I'm not saying

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that the sort of the Lord paper is even right

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on this this division. But I had never seen anything

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like this, right, I had never seen, oh, these seventeen things,

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These ten things are permanent, these seven are provisional. It

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caught me a little off guard. I wasn't quite prepared

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for that. So it's caught my attention since I got

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the paper, and I've just been thinking about and thinking

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about it. So I just want to kind of present

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it to you. So let me go through the seventeen

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things again. Are you ready? Here we go, right? Faith, belief, repentance, atonement, imputation, reconciliation, ransom, regeneration, justification, grace, mercy, propitiation, adoption, redemption, sanctification, peace,

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and eternal life. Now, out of those, I want you

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to identify the ones you think are permanent and the

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ones you think are somewhat provisional. I guess you get

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them as you need them. Now, if we to look

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up the definition of the word provisional, because to be

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let's be as accurate as we can here, I should

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have started with that. But provisional, if I can read,

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if I can spell correction correctly, provisional means arranged or

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existing for the present, possibly to be changed later. All right,

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So arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be

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changed later. They kind of go with the idea here

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providing or serving for the time being, only existing only

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until permanently or properly replaced. It's temporary. So that's kind

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of the way I see it as temporary. But I

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think they're going more as it's not just what a

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permanent thing, it's something that it continues or it shows

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up whenever you need it, I guess is the way

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they're doing some this division of permanent andion. First of all,

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their use of Hebrews six ' nine here to get

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here is already I think problematic from a hermeneutical standpoint,

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but we'll cover that later. Permanent and provisional seventeen things.

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I want you to go through that list, and I

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want you to determine this is permanent or is it

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permanent or is it provisional? Could something be both? There's

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a permanent part of it, but there's a provisional part

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of it, And would we call it provisional? Would we

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come up with a better term. I'm just handing it

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to you to work on, all right, So the seventeen

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things one more time. Faith, belief, repentance, atonement, imputation, reconciliation, ransom, regeneration, justification, grace, mercy, propitiation, adoption, redemption, sanctification,

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piece in eternal life. I want you to look at

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those seventeen and I want you to determine are some

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of these permanent or some of these provisional? Which ones

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would you make permanent? Which ones would you make provisional?

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They break it down ten permanent, seven provisional. You you can,

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you can, you can do whatever. You can try to

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guess which ones they make permanent, which ones they make provisional.

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You can determine, then create your own list of which

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ones you think are permanent or provisional. Do you think

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some are both? Do you think calling any of them

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provisional or any of them permanent? Do you think that's

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an accurate description? You can just go to town just

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go to work on it, right, That's all I want

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you to do, right now, right now. I could, I could,

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I could hand you a number of assignments, but I

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won't hand you an assignment. Well, well, well, I guess

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we'll make this like a Bible study exercise. Right, but

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we're gonna we're gonna work on this. Okay, We're gonna

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do a lot of work on this. All right. I

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guess I'm just gonna stop right there. I'm gonna stop

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right there. All right, There you have it. There's your work.

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You've got seventeen things that supposedly we receive when we

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receive Christ. Now already there. We could get into an

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argument about order salutis and the order of Salvation and

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where does this start all of that. We can get

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into all of that. But I just want you to

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write down the seventeen and not worry about the order

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salutis and where it falls into play. I just want

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you to determine, hm. Is that a permanent or is

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that provisional? Or is that both? And if it's both,

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how is it both? If it's permanent, what do you

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mean by it being permanent? If it's provisional, what do

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you mean by it being provisional. Now, of course, here,

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the way they describe provisional is they just put these

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seven that are provisional, and it just has in parentheses

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provided when needed, right, and it just says these seven

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are always available when needed. It is because times will

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come in your life when you need more. And then

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it starts naming the seven. I'm not going to tell

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you what those are now, if you have access to

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the sort of the Lord newspaper, don't look, okay, don't look.

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All right, Thanks for listening. We'll stop right there, all right,

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Go go study, Go make your chart, get your a

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whiteboard out, go go have fun. Go do that, and

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we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it some tomorrow,

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all right. Well, we'll probably be talking about it for

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a couple of days that possibly, we'll see. All right,

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Thanks for listening, everyone, have a great day, great evening.

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Permanent provisional. Now I'm gonna go check my title for

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the last episode and see how many grammatical mistakes I

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made and it may be changed again. It may it's

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definitely not permanent. All right, Thanks for listening. God bless