Aug. 2, 2024

Olympic Boxing: Male vs Female?

Olympic Boxing: Male vs Female?

A discussion about the Olympic boxing controversy

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A discussion about the Olympic boxing controversy

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. Good morning everyone.

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Typically I would go ahead and give you the date

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and all of that information, and I will give a

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proper introduction in just a minute.

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What I ask everyone as they listen to this episode

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that you will just take a deep breath. You will listen.

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Carefully, You will continue to do your own research, and

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that you care more about truth. You care more about

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accuracy than you do your emotions, and you care more about,

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you know, showing understanding, compassion, and love towards other human

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beings more so than you care about winning an ideological debate.

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I do find it interesting that the last live broadcast

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that I did was a discussion about this verse.

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The way of a fool.

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Is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds

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counsel is wise.

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The way of a fool.

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Is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds

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counsel is wise. Now, a lot of times when Christians

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read that, we immediately we say everyone else is the

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full They think they're right in their own eyes.

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We are the wise ones.

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But let me make it very clear, you and I

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have just as much the potential as being foolish and

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thinking we are right in our own eyes when we

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are very wrong. So all of us need to take

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a deep breath and we need to consider maybe we

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are right in our own eyes, and we need to

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then listen to counsel.

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We need to seek.

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We need to seek information so that we can make

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sure that what we are about to say can be

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as accurate as possible, and we are considering all different possibilities.

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Does that sound reasonable? Does that sound okay?

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I hope. So now with that said, I would like

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to welcome everyone.

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It is Friday, August the second, twenty twenty four, It

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is currently eleven nine am Central time, and I am

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coming to you live from the Theology Central Studio located

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right here in Abilene, Texas.

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Do you truly desire truth? Do you truly desire to.

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Put away lying, to put away misinformation, to put away disinformation,

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and to pursue truth?

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Do you really desire that?

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Or are you the type of person who sees a headline,

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or sees a tweet, or sees something on social media

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on Facebook and just immediately you just react.

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You just react.

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You don't stop to go Wait a minute, Wait a minute,

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what is the truth here? You just start reacting, and

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then you start sharing your reaction with everyone else, even

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though maybe it's based on well, ignorance, it's based on misunderstanding.

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If you're that kind of person, let me challenge you

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to stop being that kind of person and be a

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person who pursues understanding truth, knowledge and information and not

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base things off emotion and ignorance. I really would challenge you,

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and we're all going to have to work hard together

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to be the right kind of person in this situation,

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because I am sure you are very aware there's a

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great controversy about the twenty twenty four Olympics. In fact,

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there have been many controversies. We had the controversy about

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the opening ceremony right where supposedly what they did was

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a mockery of Christianity, and come to find out, well,

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maybe maybe you had more to do with you know,

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Greek mythology and a Greek god, and maybe it wasn't

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exactly as everyone immediately stated that it was. And so

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I tried to offer somewhat of a correction to that. Again,

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it did not make it. It didn't make things popular

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for me and made things more difficult for me. But

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sometimes you've got to say, hey, everyone stop. And we

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have another controversy with the Olympics.

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And this time it's about boxing.

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Now, typically when you have controversy and boxing is because

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you watched the fight and you're like, wait a minute,

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the judges said that person one, are you out of

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your mind?

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Are you blind? That is ridiculous, that's that's that person

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was robbed. There's no way they won that fight.

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Because sometimes historically boxing judges, I don't know where they

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get their judges sometimes, but I think in many cases

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they're absolutely blind because it's ridiculous. I mean, I mean

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I could go well, I mean, I've been a boxing

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fan forever, so I try to watch a lot of

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boxing and sometimes I'm just baffled by what were the

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judges seeing. And many times the announcers are just as

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confused as well. So it's why they always say in boxing,

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don't leave it in the hands of the judges. But

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this time it's not a controversy about judges. It's a

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controversy about the competitors. Because it is being stated by

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many that what happened in the twenty twenty four Olympics

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is that we had a man competing against a woman,

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and it's outrageous, it's demonic, it's satanic, it's ungodly, and

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it must be we must boycott, we must scream against it.

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But is it that simple? Is it something as simple

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as that's a man? They were fighting a woman and

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this is insane? Is it that simple?

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Or is there more to this? Controversey?

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Now again, are you going to be a person that

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pursues truth facts? Are you just going to react?

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The way of the full is right in his own eyes,

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But he who hots, but he who heeds counsel is wise.

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We need to seek counsel. We need to.

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Seek information, or we're gonna end up being the fool

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who thinks we are right in our own eyes. Now,

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I've been watching this controversy develop over the last I

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don't know, twenty four to forty eight hours, seventy two hours,

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I don't know exactly how long it's been. And as

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this controversy has developed, I've been trying my best to

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read everything I can find about it. And I'm gonna

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be honest with you, there's a lot of things I

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still don't understand. There's a lot of confusion, there is

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a lot of confusion and some of the articles. I'm

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going to again, I'm gonna be honest with you. After

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I've done reading the article, I'm like, I still don't

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know if I have.

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A straight answer.

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So this is a situation where we need to be

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very very careful, and I need to be very careful.

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So I'm not going to try to be too dogmatic,

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but i am going to try to lay down a

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framework that would allow Christians hopefully to conduct ourselves in

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a Christ's honoring way, not like some lunatic that's running

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around yelling and screaming and accusing people of things that

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may not be true. Now, some basic rules for Christians

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when dealing with a controversial situation. First and foremost, we

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should care about truth. We should we should put away lying, gossip, slander,

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and we should not be bearing false witness. That those

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are basic concepts for a Christian. Hey, hey, stop with

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the lies, stop with the conspiratorial thinking, stop with the rumors,

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stop with the misinformation, the disinformation, do not be bearing

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false witness, stop with the gossip in the slander.

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Let's find truth.

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Another basic principle that Christians should have is we're to

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demonstrate love even into our enemies, So we don't start

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calling people names, we don't start saying things in a

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way that is just demonstrates nothing, that demonstrates a lot

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of love.

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Because I've already.

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Seen under some articles people in the comments section go,

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there's nothing like Christian love because and they're saying it sarcastically,

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because the comments there on a Christian website demonstrates a

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lack of love, empathy, or compassion. So as you put

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away lying, speak the truth, we should remember the word

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of love, even our enemies. And I think another very

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important thing is supposedly, as Christians, we believe in the

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you know, the sanctity of life, and that all human

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beings are created in the image of God and they

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should they deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.

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Now sometimes Christians say that, but then over and over

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and over we sometimes forget that when we're dealing with

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controversial subjects, we're dealing with human beings. We're not dealing

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with just an ideology. We're dealing with human beings, and

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sometimes we take those human beings and kick them around

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so that we can win an ideological debate. We're dealing

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with human beings who have emotions, who have feelings, and

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we sometimes reduce them to nothing more than an argument

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or a debate. All you can see is an argument

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and a debate, and you cannot see the human. Then

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I'm sorry you're not looking at it from a Christian perspective.

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All right, hopefully that laid a good foundation. Now you ready?

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All right, We're going to take this slowly. Some of

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this is going to be very tedious, and I apologize

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for that. I'm still gathering information, so a lot of

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this could change over the next twenty four to forty

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eight seventy two hours, and if it does, I'll come

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right here and turn on this microphone. I will correct

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any mistake that I made, and I will try my

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very best to be as accurate as I can in

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this episode. There are a lot of there's going to

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be a lot of terminology here, a lot of medical terminology.

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There's going to be names.

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If I state anything incorrectly, let me just go ahead

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and apologize. Right from the start, I've tried to verify

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and correct things as much as possible, trying to prepare

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for this. I could argue that maybe I need you know,

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I probably should wait another twenty four hours and do

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more prep but at the same time the situation, I

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just feel more fuel is being thrown on the fire

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and it's just spreading and people are saying some outrageous things.

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So I think someone needs to step in and go whoa, whoa, whoa,

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slow down, Slow down, slow down. Very famous people have

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thrown have stated comments, and then they've had to come

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back and apologize. If you know anything about the YouTube

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world or the wrestling world, there's a person by the

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name of Logan Paul who jumped in the middle of

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this controversy and then had to come back and say

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you know, I think he said, I mean, he kinda

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he kind of played down his mistake, but he kind

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of said, oopsie, you know, maybe I'm spreading disinformation or

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something along those lines. But it's like, well, I do

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admire the fact that he came back and apologized, but

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that's this is why everyone needs to slow down before

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they jump, you know, onto this controversy.

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All right, but here we go. Are you ready? Here

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we go.

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Let's go slowly. I'm gonna tell you why I'm currently

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involved in this controversy. I am currently involved in this

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controversy because yesterday, Thursday, August the one, twenty twenty four,

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the Christian Post decided to jump in this controversy.

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I didn't want to be a part of this.

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So what I was trying to do as this controversy

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was building, I was kind of letting it just kind

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of you know, let the the let the.

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Fire just spread, and let the fire just burn.

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And just kind of stay out of it, right because

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it was so hard to get accurate information.

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So I'm like, I'm just going to stay out of this.

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And I didn't want to necessarily address it on the

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podcast because there was so the information was so difficult.

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But once the Christian Post jumped in, then I felt

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like I have to say something now, because.

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Here's exactly what will happen.

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Pastors will look at the Christian Post, take their article,

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and then go to the pulpit or go to their

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microphones and spread what the Christian Post said without in

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many cases doing any additional research. And I think the

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Christian Post article, some could argue is somewhat misleading.

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Some have accused it of being downright a lie. But

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are you ready for the Christian Post article? Here we go.

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Female Olympic boxer quits reduced to tears after a forty

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six second fight against male competitor. Now, as soon as

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I read the headline, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute. They

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are now accusing the other boxer is being a mail

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and I'm like, what are they basing this off of?

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Because there is much controversy about this and it may

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not be as easy as everyone wants to make it.

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So again, the Christian Post, their argument is, or their

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headline is a female Olympic boxer quit reduced to tears

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after a forty six second fight against.

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The male competitor. Now, let me just go ahead.

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This competitor that the Christian Post is classifying a male,

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let me make it very clear, has been boxing basically

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a good portion of their life, has always competed as

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a woman, and has even been beat.

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Don't have the exact number in front of me, by

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I think eight, between eight and eleven other women.

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Have beat this person as they compete.

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As a woman. This person has competed as a woman.

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There's never been any controversy, never until something happened in

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twenty twenty three that now came to light in twenty

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twenty four. But they've always competed as a woman, they've

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even been beat by other women, and everything is moved

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smoothly until all of a sudden, this controversy exploded, and

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then everyone comes jumping into the controversy as if they're experts.

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They're experts about everything. That's the thing with Christians. Christians

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always think we're experts on everything, and we think that

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our opinion is somehow is fact. And sometimes we need

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to stop acting like we know everything instead of being

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a fool who thinks we're right in our own eyes,

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maybe we should stop and go seek additional information and

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seek counsel.

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So as soon as I saw the headline.

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From the Christian Post, I'm like, oh boy, now I've

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got to address this because this is going now. Pastors

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are going to take this. Sunday school teachers are going

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to take this.

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And it's Friday.

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You know, by Sunday, it's gonna be mintioned from the pulpit,

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it's gonna be mitching in the Sunday school classroom, it's

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gonna be talked about in church. Oh did you see

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that demonic Olympics. We already knew what they did in

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the opening ceremony as they mocked Christianity.

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Now they got a man beating up a woman. Oh,

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this is out, and it's like who whoa, whoa, whoa.

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There may be issues here that need to be addressed,

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but here's the thing. We need to make sure that

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we define the issues correctly and that we pursue this accurately. Right,

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So is it as simple as saying that the other

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competitor was a male?

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Is it that simple? I don't know.

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If it's that simple, we're going to find out. We're

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gonna give it time. I'm just saying everyone needs to

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take a deep breath and look into this. So I'm

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gonna read a little bit because now even in the

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comments section on this Christian Post article, even in the

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comments section, there's people going whoa, Well, wait a minute,

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this article is not accurate.

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This article needs to be retracted. Now.

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I almost called the Christian Post this morning and go,

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wait a minute, wait a minute, are you you know?

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Are you guys sure that this is the headline you

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want to go with? But I haven't had an opportunity yet.

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I still may try to contact them because there's a

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lot of things here that still makes no sense, and

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there's a lot of questions I don't have answered yet.

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We'll go through the Christian Post article and we can

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see if they address some of it. Maybe the headline

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is too sensational, but within the article they pull back

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and offer more clarification.

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Let's see what exactly happens.

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So an Italian female boxer quit forty six seconds into

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a fight against an opponent with the x Y chromosome

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or with x Y chromosomes at the Olympics on Thursday,

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after getting punched twice in the face, prompting renewed backlash

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to the hot button issue of men competing in women's sports.

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So the argument is.

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Hey, this other boxer has the x Y chromosome, and

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if they have the x y chromosome, well then they

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have to be a man.

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Is it that simple? Is it that simple?

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So I'm gonna do something really quick. I'm gonna I'm

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gonna look something up really quick.

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Here we go.

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I'm gonna see if I can find this. All right,

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are you ready for this?

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Here we go.

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Here's some information, all right. So the question is, so,

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let me go back to the I had something set up.

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I wanted to play the audio of it, but it disappeared.

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So here we go. Let's read this again.

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An Italian female boxer quit forty six seconds into a

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fight against an opponent with x Y chromosomes at the

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Olympics on Thursday after getting punched twice in the face,

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prompting renewed backlash to the hot button issue of men

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competing in women's sports. So the implication there, what is

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being implied there?

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Almost explicitly?

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If you have the x y chromosome, then clearly you

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are a man. Is it always that simple? Well, if

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you do a little research, you will find things like this.

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While it is typical, While it is typical, while it

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is typically the case, I should say, while it is

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typically the case that females have two chromosomes xx and

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males have one X and one y chromosome x.

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Y, there are exceptions.

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Some individuals with xy chromosomes can be born and grow

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up as girls do to specific genetic mutations. These conditions

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fall under the category of disorders of sex development, or

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known as DSD disorders. DSD disorders of sex development. Here

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are a couple of scenarios. Androgen and sensitivity syndrome or

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androgen and sensitivity syndrome, right androgen or androgens insensitive syndrome

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forty six x y DSD. Right, So if I'm saying

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that incorrectly, I apologize. I had the audio for this

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pulled up, but the audio disappeared, so I wasn't prepared

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that I was going to have to read it because

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I was going to let you hear the audio of this,

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so then everything would be pronounced perfectly, and you would

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hear it from a different source.

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Other than me.

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All right, So, but androgen and sensitivity syndrome forty six XYDSD.

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People with this condition have male chromosomes xy, but do

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not develop male sexual organs due to a mutation in

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the androgen receptor gene. As a result, they appear female

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externally and live their lives as girls and women. All right,

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So already what I want you to see. It's not

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so simple as to simply say, well, they have the

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x y chromosome, they're a man.

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It's not always that simple.

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I know many Christians like to make everything that way,

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but the world is complicated, and it is messy, and

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there are disorders and there are mutations. It's not always

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so simple, even though we want to make it that way.

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So just because this boxer has the x Y chromosome

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is not necessarily accurate to say they are a man.

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So let me read this again.

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While it is typically the case that females have two

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X chromosomes xx and males have one X and one

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y chromosome x Y, there are exceptions. Some individuals with

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the xy chromosome can be born and grow up as

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girls due to specific genetic mutations. These conditions fall under

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the category of disorders of sex development DSD.

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Scenarios, the androgen and sensitivity syndrome androgen A N D

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R O G E N androgen insensitivity syndrome forty six

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X Y DSD. People with this condition have mal chromosomes

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x y, but they do not develop mals sexual organs

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due to a mutation in the androgen receptor gene. As

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a result, they appear female externally and live their lives

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as girls and women. Most discover their genetic difference during puberty,

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and then they do not menstrate and may not be

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able to give birth.

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All right, everybody, everybody got.

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That one, the androgen and sensitivity syndrome, So that's at

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least one case. The second one, I sometimes would say,

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sawyer syndrome is Swire syndrome s Y swye Er syndrome

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s wye Er syndrome Swire syndrome.

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This is forty six x y DSD.

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All right, These individuals with the Swire syndrome have x

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y chromosomes, but they lack the development of male sexual characteristics.

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They typically have female external appearance and may not have

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internal female sexual organs. Some can even give birth. So

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we have the endrogen and sensitivity syndrome and we have

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the Swire syndrome. And summary, While rare, it is possible

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for someone with x Y chromosome to be born and

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raised as a biological woman due to specific genetic factors.

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Please note they're born and raised a biological woman even

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though they have the x y chromosome. These cases highlight

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the complexity of sex determination beyond.

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The simple XX and xy model. So immediately Christians need

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to stop going. If they have the x y chromosome,

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then they're in it. Stop that. It's not that simple.

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Learn study research.

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So we have two possible situations. The androgen and sensitivity

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syndrome where people with this condition have male chromosomes but

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they do not develop male sexual organs due to a

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mutation of the androgen receptor gene. The other one is

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the Swire syndrome. I sometimes say Sawyer syndrome individuals with

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the Swire syndrome, and if I'm saying it correctly, I'm incorrectly.

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I apologize again. I had the audio for this, have

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the audio for this, and I was gonna play the audio,

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and then right in the middle of the broadcast, I

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get ready to hit the and the whole page disappears,

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and I'm like, uh no, come, please come back, please come.

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But I'm glad I copied it all down because that

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would have been bad. If I didn't have copied it

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all down, that would I mean, not really bad for

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the broadcast. So we have the endrogen insensitivity syndrome, we

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have the Swire syndrome. And individuals with the Swire syndrome

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have x Y chromosomes but lack the development of male

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sexual characteristics. They typically have female external appearance and may

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not have internal female sexual organs. Some can even give

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birth as some rewallet is rare, and it's possible for

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someone with the x Y chromosome chromosomes to be born

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and raised as biological women.

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Do to specific genetic factors.

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All right, So let me go back and read this

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first paragraph from the Christian Post. An Italian female boxer

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quit forty six seconds and to a fight against opponent

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with a with X Y chromosomes at the Olympics on

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Thursday after getting punched twice in the face, prompting renewed

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backlash to the hot button issue of men competing in

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women's sports.

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Now again, just because someone has the x.

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Y chromosome does not necessarily mean they are man a male.

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It does not necessarily mean that we would have to

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then do additional research to go has this person who

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is being labeled as a male, do they have these conditions?

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Do they have one of these conditions? If they do

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one of these disorders, then okay.

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I don't know if they do. I don't know if

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they don't.

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I just know that the person in question has competed

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as a female. They're whole life, and they're from a

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country that definitely would not support anything like we would

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know we would refer to as transgender is in any way,

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shape or form. Now, Angela Karini, and if I mispronouncing

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her name, I apologize. Angela Karini, who told reporters she

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was fighting in honor of her late father, was reduced

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to tears after abandoning the fight against her Algerian opponent,

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Emain Khalif.

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And if I'm saying her name correctly, I apologize.

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But a Main Khalif is the individual where everyone now

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is discussing and referring to a Main Khalif as a

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man now, even though they've been they have been participating

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as a woman through their whole life, and there's never

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been an issue Khalif.

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Now, this is where the issue begins.

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Khalif was disqualified from the twenty twenty three World Championships

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after filling a gender eligibility test conducted by the Russian

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based Internal Boxing Association.

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To a Wednesday statement from the organization.

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IBA that's the name of the organization, no longer governs

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boxing at the Olympics. Instead it is run by the

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International Olympic Committee. So this organization that's making this claim

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no longer has anything.

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To do with the Olympics.

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Not only that, according to what at this moment, what

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I can tell is that the twenty twenty three tests

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were likely invalid and there is no proof of them

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being medically accurate. Nowhere does it list the test done,

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but they don't have any validity to them. So there's

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a lot of questions like, Okay, they're claiming that in

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twenty twenty three this happened, but we don't. We need

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those tests. We need to know exactly what they determine.

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But make it very clear that organization has nothing to

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do with the twenty twenty four Olympics. The twenty twenty

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four Olympic Committee did their own test and obviously found

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that a main Khalif could compete in the women's category.

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Now just because even if they.

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Tested to have the x Y chromosome, that would still

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not make them a man. Now, listen, we could argue, now,

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I'm let's make this very I'm trying to be as

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fair as I can with all of this. You could argue, well,

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wait a minute, if someone does have this condition where

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they are a biological woman but they have the x

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Y chromosome, should they be allowed to compete in the

480
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.200
women's category. That is a separate issue, and I'm all willing.

481
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:27.799
To hear that debate.

482
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.000
Just don't immediately say because they have the x Y

483
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.240
chromosome they are a man. Don't immediately just jump to

484
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.079
that conclusion, because there are real conditions where that can happen.

485
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.319
Sorry to ruin your little Disney version of life, but

486
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:45.640
it's much more complicated than you would like to think.

487
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.359
People are born with all kinds of disorders. People are

488
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.759
born with all kinds of conditions. I know it doesn't

489
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.599
fit the perfect little Christian image, but there are people

490
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:02.160
born with horrible diseases and disorder and disabilities and handicaps,

491
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.759
impacting every area of your life, from your mental development

492
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:13.640
to your physical development to your sexuality.

493
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.000
Now let's go back to the Christian post.

494
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.599
Now and just again, the IBA is no longer governance

495
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.640
boxing at the Olympics and said it is run by

496
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:30.640
the International Olympic Committee. Both Khalif and another boxer from

497
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.119
Taiwan were cleared by the IOC to participate in the

498
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.680
sport despite felling gender eligibility tests in the past, so

499
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.519
the IOC did clear them even though the IBA didn't.

500
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:47.359
And their statement, the IBA said the IOC's differing regulations

501
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.720
on these matters in which IBA is not involv raiseds

502
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.400
serious questions about both competitive fairness and athletes safety.

503
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:54.839
Now again, if.

504
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.359
We're just going to argue, well, wait a minute, if

505
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.559
this what what does the tests consist of? And how

506
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:06.720
should what should the what should be the practical application

507
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.279
If a test comes back on a biological woman who

508
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:12.440
has the x Y chromosome, if they're testing at a

509
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.039
genetic level, if they're testing there, then what then?

510
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.759
What do you do? What do you do? Right? Okay,

511
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:21.319
I'm all for that discussion.

512
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.000
That doesn't make someone a man though, right, That's what

513
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:25.559
I'm saying.

514
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:26.279
We have to be.

515
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:32.880
Much more nuanced in our discussions about this. After the fight,

516
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.920
a tearful Karine remained defiant despite quitting the match, refusing

517
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.839
to shake Khalif's hand and throwing her head gear while shouting,

518
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.640
this is unjust.

519
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:43.559
I got in.

520
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.519
I got into the ring to fight, but I didn't

521
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.160
feel like it anymore. After the first minute, I started

522
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.160
to feel a strong pain in my nose. I didn't

523
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.359
give up, but a punch hurt too much, so I

524
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.279
said enough, I'm leaving with my head held high. She said, Now,

525
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.480
let me just make it very clear though. From everything

526
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.599
I understand, Khalif has fought with before and has lost

527
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.440
again somewhere between eight to eleven times. And you can

528
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.519
go verify the numbers there, and there have been other

529
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.720
women who have fought Khalif, who have spoken on this matter.

530
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.720
I wasn't able to finish the match. I felt a

531
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:22.720
strong pain to my nose and said to myself, for

532
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:24.839
the experience that I have in the maturity as a

533
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.200
woman that I have, I said, I hope my nation

534
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.079
won't take it badly. I hope my dad won't take

535
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.680
it badly. But I stopped, and I said, I said

536
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.680
stop for myself now. According to the New York Post,

537
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:38.640
Karine's coach has said people had warned her against fighting Khalip,

538
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.839
telling her do not go please, it's a man. It's

539
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:41.680
dangerous for you.

540
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.640
Now again, someone's saying, it's a man. It's a man.

541
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:47.680
It's a man. Now.

542
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.119
So far, what we know is there is a possibility

543
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:56.000
of one test, possibility of one test that identified.

544
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.799
Khalif of having the x Y chromosomes.

545
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:03.000
Now again, are conditions that may explain because there are

546
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:07.079
countless other sources that say, wait a minute, Cahlif is

547
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.400
not a man, they are a woman. So there's a

548
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:13.720
bunch of back and forth. What I'm trying to say is, look,

549
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.279
as we wait for more information to come out, and

550
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:17.680
I don't know if we're ever going to get to

551
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:19.839
the bottom of this. I think at some point we'll

552
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.400
have to just note it just because the x Y

553
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.680
chromosomes are present doesn't necessarily make someone a man. As

554
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:32.640
I've already identified the situations where this could occur. Right,

555
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.839
Italian Prime Minister condemned the fight is unfair. I think

556
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.039
that athletes who have male genetic characteristics should be admitted

557
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.759
to women should not be admitted to women's competitions, and

558
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.039
not because you want to discriminate against someone, but to

559
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:49.880
protect the right of female athletes to be able to

560
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.480
compete on equal terms. Koreini's situation also drew scorn from

561
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.200
prominent voices who have been speaking out for years against

562
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.720
men competing in women's sports.

563
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.039
All right, and.

564
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:04.039
Then, as someone said, and I quote, as if the

565
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.400
satanic display at the opening ceremony wasn't enough, the Olympics

566
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.319
glorifies men punching women in the face with the intent

567
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.079
of knocking them unconscious. Imagine Khalif is one of two

568
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.359
maleboxers fighting at the Olympics. A woman is going to die,

569
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.359
so immediately someone is now accusing, of course Khalif of

570
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:26.200
being a man. Now, I don't that's what look all

571
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.559
I'm saying is everyone needs to hit the brakes and

572
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:29.960
we need to find out because there's.

573
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.160
Too many other things that wait, whoa, whoa whoa. No no, no, no, no,

574
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:32.480
no no.

575
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:39.920
Not a man, biological woman. But there's an issue here

576
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:45.519
with maybe some things going on inside of them that

577
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.000
we could then talk about, whether fair or not fair.

578
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.759
But that does not necessarily make them a man, all right.

579
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.240
So then they have a lot of quotes here of

580
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.160
all kinds of famous people who are just immediately jumping

581
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.920
in saying, it's a man, it's a man, it's a man,

582
00:33:59.000 --> 00:33:59.599
it's a man.

583
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:00.960
Everyone is.

584
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.960
I could go through all the articles here, all the

585
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.559
different things they have here, all right now, immediately when

586
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:12.199
you jump down to the comments, well here, we immediately

587
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:17.920
have all kinds of comments on here, all right. For okay,

588
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:22.519
One person posted, according to the IOC right, this is

589
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.000
not a transgender issue and her gender remains uncertain. Some

590
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.000
people are born differently than most people, and conservative Christians

591
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.440
are ignorant about human sexuality. To her credit, this boxer

592
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:38.880
quit after all the unwanted, unwant aren't unwarranted negative backlash,

593
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:39.800
all right?

594
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:41.440
This attack.

595
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.880
Another person says, this attack on a main seems to

596
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.800
be more anti trans satanic panic two point zero hysteria.

597
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.559
Reality check. Khalif is not transgender, nor is she intersects,

598
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.679
despite that the boxer is facing transphobic backlash as many

599
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.639
online are categorizing her as a mail and connecting her

600
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.639
win to the debate around transgender.

601
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:05.960
Athletes and sports.

602
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.000
Forty six seconds into a fight with Khalif, Karini pulled

603
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.159
out from the match, claiming that one punch from Khaliff

604
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.400
hurt too much. I felt a strong pain in the nose,

605
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.239
and they're quoting most of it again.

606
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.719
Then they have a link to an article here.

607
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.159
From another source and it says a mean Khalif and

608
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.679
Algerian Olympic boxer won her first boxing max match of

609
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.719
the twenty twenty four Paris Olympics today against Italian boxer

610
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.000
Angela Karini. Last year, Khalif was disqualified from the twenty

611
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.000
twenty three International Boxing Association World Championship because she had

612
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:49.239
elevated levels of testosterone. All right, Khalif is not transgender,

613
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.519
nor is she intersects, despite that the boxer is facing

614
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.920
transphobic backlash as many online are categorizing her as a

615
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.599
male and connecting her win to the debate round transgender athletes.

616
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:08.719
All right, okay, here see here.

617
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.760
They go on, adding again a lot of all the

618
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.800
things that people say. All right, everyone's making arguments here,

619
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.559
all right, so they they go on, but they then

620
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.239
the rest of the article is filled with all the

621
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.239
people making all the claims.

622
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:27.639
All right.

623
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.679
Then someone else says another Christian post, lie, I hope

624
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.800
Khalif sues the Christian Post. I have a screenshot. I

625
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:46.320
have screenshot the entire story. Uh okay, I've never heard

626
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.679
of Khalif. Below is the boxer who defeated her in

627
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.519
the first round of the World Boxing Championship. How could

628
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:56.079
Khalif be the warman killer that Riley that Riley Gains

629
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.840
claims she is. Clearly, whatever chromosome she has is not

630
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.840
an automatic win if the chromozonal story is even true.

631
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.000
And then it goes on here a lot of people

632
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.840
deserve to be sued. And then they have a link

633
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.440
to the woman who beat who has beat Caliph in

634
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.719
the past, and they're saying, wait a minute, she's been

635
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:21.760
beat by other women, so clearly there's more to this story.

636
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.559
Another person put the boxer in question is not another male.

637
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.079
By the way, she has been defeated eight times in

638
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.880
the ring by women. The Christian Post point in creating

639
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.440
this article is to keep fanning the flames of anti

640
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:40.599
trans hatred. There's literally no love like Christian love, all right.

641
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.960
Then someone else says the whole thing is a demonic mess.

642
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.039
Thankfully the entire world was able to see it. According

643
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:50.920
to the IOC, so this is another source. This is

644
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:55.119
not a transgender issue, and her gender remains uncertain. Some

645
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.079
people are born differently than most people, and conservative Christians

646
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.719
are ignorant about human sexuality, right, and the other people

647
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.880
are like, hey, you know, you know this is.

648
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:13.639
Actually a woman, right, Okay, So then.

649
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.159
Someone else posted the Christian Post needs to issue our

650
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:24.559
retraction and an apology, right, and then the comments just

651
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.039
continue and continue and continue. Obviously, even in the comments

652
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.480
there's a back and forth. It's a man, it's not

653
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:32.239
a man. It's a man, it's not a man. The

654
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.920
X Y chromosome, well what does that mean? So there's

655
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.679
a lot of uncertainty on it. That's why the Christian

656
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:41.000
Post article bothers me because they just immediately labels the

657
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.960
person as a male without any Well, what are.

658
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.000
They basing that off of?

659
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.840
What are they basing it off of the supposed test

660
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.480
done in twenty twenty three, where there's lots of questions

661
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.840
about the validity of said test. What are you basing

662
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.320
it off? Have we talked to Khalif themselves? Have we

663
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:02.440
talked to them and asks them, I mean, look, what

664
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.480
are we basing all of these claims upon?

665
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.880
Another article here? Okay, we've read that one. Here's another one.

666
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:18.199
Understanding Amin Khalif's Olympic controversy, what hyper androgynism is and

667
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:23.360
its impact on female athletes. Amine Khalif has consistently identified

668
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.679
as a woman and has every right to compete regardless

669
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:28.159
of this controversy.

670
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:30.480
Algeria and boxer in Maine.

671
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.199
Khalif at the center of a gender eligibility controversy following

672
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:38.159
her victory over Italian fighter Angela Careni at the Paris

673
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.559
Olympics on August first. This is Khalif's second appearance at

674
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.559
the Olympics, having first competed and for Algeria at the

675
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.239
Tokyo Olympics in twenty twenty one.

676
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.159
I want to make it very clear Khalif competed.

677
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.119
In the Olympics in twenty twenty one, and there was

678
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.840
no controversy, now why is it a controversy?

679
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:04.400
In twenty twenty four. Since then, she has faced.

680
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:08.440
Ongoing controversy, which has intensified after her recent win. Numerous

681
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.480
comments and news articles have labeled Khalif as a biological

682
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:15.199
man and questioned her eligibility to compete in women's boxing.

683
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.920
A video of Khalif in twenty twenty two has been

684
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.639
widely shared on exclaiming she is cheating in the Olympics

685
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.880
and has garnered and this has garnered millions of views.

686
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.239
Another boxer has also been drawn into the controversy. While

687
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.360
much of the discussion has labeled both athletes as transgender,

688
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.440
there is no evidence our public statements confirming that either

689
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.639
of the two boxers now involved in this controversy are transgender.

690
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.599
Both Khalif and the other boxer from Taiwan have competed

691
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:52.079
as women throughout their careers. Everything was proceeding smoothly, proceeding

692
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.239
smoothly until the twenty twenty three World Cup organized by

693
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.800
the International Boxing Association. The Russia led IBA, which is

694
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.639
not recognized by the International Olympic Committee, disqualified in main

695
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:08.239
Khalif after a gender eligibility test reportedly revealed reportedly revealed

696
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.599
she has x Y chromosomes. IBA president has claimed that

697
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.440
both Khalif and the type and the boxer from Taiwan

698
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:18.199
who allegedly had a similar test result, were trying to

699
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:21.679
deceive their colleagues and pretended to be women. Khalif has

700
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:26.960
denied these allegations. Now so Khalif themselves have denied the allegations.

701
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:27.800
Nobody wants to talk about that.

702
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.840
See and on the Christian posts, they don't even mention

703
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.519
Khalif anything that she has said or not said.

704
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.320
They just immediately labeled her as a man. Well that's

705
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.400
my problem here.

706
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.840
Maybe it will be proven that she is a biological

707
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.559
male and then we could have that discussion, but until

708
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.719
then we need to proceed with great.

709
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:49.559
Caution and care.

710
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:55.760
Despite this, both Khalif and the boxer from Taiwan were

711
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.719
admitted to the Olympic boxing competitions. The boxing unit responsible

712
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.400
for over seeing eligibility ensure that all athletes meet the

713
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:08.400
required rules and medical regulations, including submitting verified medical certificates

714
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.559
at least three months before the competition. The IOC spokesman

715
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.960
defended the athletes at a news conference. These boxers are

716
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.480
completely eligible. They are women. On their passports. They have

717
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.840
competed in the Tokyo Olympics and have been competing for

718
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:28.360
many years. We should avoid turning this into a witch hunt.

719
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.079
Gender eligibility and sports has become a contentious issue, especially

720
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.159
since the Tokyo Olympics. Some sports organizations have updated their

721
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rules to ban athletes who underwent mail puberty from competing

722
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:47.559
in women's events. However, there is no evidence suggesting that

723
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:54.639
either Khalif or the boxer from Taiwan experienced mail puberty,

724
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.199
So there's no evidence that they even experienced mal puberty.

725
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.559
But everyone's referring to them as a man. See where

726
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:05.039
this becomes convoluted and confusing. Everyone needs to back off

727
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.760
and allow this to play out. And we don't need

728
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.159
Christian publications immediately accusing someone of being a man unless

729
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.960
they have some specific information, because we as Christians are

730
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.719
told not to bear false witness and we are condict

731
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.559
and we are definitely told not to judge lest we

732
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.760
be judged. Now, I understand that doesn't mean we can

733
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:27.719
never judge, but it does mean that there is a

734
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.639
correct way we should judge, and that is based off facts,

735
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.119
noted based on just whatever we want something to be

736
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.320
and there's some things we can't judge unless you have

737
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.079
I don't know the medical records in front of you.

738
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.639
The IOC and the IBA adhere to different medical standards

739
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.159
for athletes. The two organizations severed ties in twenty nineteen

740
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:55.880
when the IOC revoked the IBA's Olympic status due to

741
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.280
concerns about the integrity, finances, and governance. At the time,

742
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:03.639
IBA president faced US sanctions related to allege involvement in

743
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.760
drug trafficking and organized crime. Since the split, the IBA

744
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.639
has been led by a new president who has accused

745
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.800
Khalif and Lend, the boxer from Taiwan, of deceiving their

746
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.880
colleagues and pretending to be women. However, the IBA no

747
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.039
longer oversees the Olympic qualifying matches. The IOC manages these

748
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.519
and has determined that Khalif and Len, the boxer from Taiwan,

749
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.599
meet the eligibility requirements. The key point is that both

750
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:34.800
Khalif and Lynn are women who comply with the IOC's

751
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:40.199
criteria for competing in women's category. There is no valid

752
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.239
reason to bar them from competing. However, several media houses

753
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.800
and critics of transgender inclusion and sports have seized upon

754
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.280
the IBA's disqualification to label Khalif and Lean as engaging

755
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.679
in gender fraud, accusing them of trying to unfairly secure

756
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:02.440
Olympic medals. Now, what is hyper rogenism? Recent controversies have

757
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.039
taken a serious issues like hyper androgenism where female bodies.

758
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:11.559
Are you ready for this? This is hyperindrogenism, produce excessive

759
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:18.960
testosterone and intersexuality where individuals have sex characteristics that don't

760
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.840
align neatly with traditional male or female definitions and use

761
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:28.679
them to fuel an already heated debate over transgender women

762
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:30.480
participating in sports.

763
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:32.960
So now we have some more.

764
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:37.800
Remember we've already looked at We've looked at the androgen

765
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.400
and sensitivity syndrome. We looked at the swire syndrome. We've

766
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.679
looked at both syndromes. And these are where you basically

767
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.719
have a biological woman that has the xy chromosome, all right,

768
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:52.639
and then all the other issues that.

769
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:53.199
Can come from that.

770
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:57.599
Now we have to add to our list of things

771
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:06.320
hyper androgenism and intersexuality. Hyper androgenism and intersexuality, all right, Now,

772
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:11.440
this situation echoes past controversies and then they go through

773
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.920
some of the people in the past who have had

774
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.920
the condition of hyper androgenism, which results in a naturally

775
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:21.880
high testosterone levels. So now you could argue, if you're

776
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:26.000
a biological woman and you have hyper androgenism and you're

777
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:30.920
producing extra high levels of testosterone, should you be allowed

778
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.679
then to compete? Now, I got no problem having that discussion.

779
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.639
That's a completely separate issue.

780
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:38.320
Right.

781
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.360
Well, wait a minute, you're producing an unfair amount of testosterone.

782
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.360
Now you could argue, well, could some men produce higher

783
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.039
levels of testosterone than other men and should then they

784
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.840
be then disqualified? Like now you have to start going

785
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.639
through So which levels are we going to test? And

786
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.440
where is the cutoff? If you have too much of this?

787
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:59.960
Now you're even if you're a man or if you

788
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.679
or a woman. Now we get those are separate issues.

789
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.119
All I'm trying to say is yelling and screaming that

790
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.960
someone is transgender when there's no proof that they're transgender,

791
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.159
Claiming that they're a male when there's no proof they

792
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.599
even went through mail puberty, claiming they're a mail when

793
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:14.400
there may not even be any proof that they are.

794
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.760
That's where we have to be careful and not jump

795
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:24.079
into this transgender satanic panic. Two point zero and try

796
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.800
to say, let's be more rational about this.

797
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:29.440
Right.

798
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:34.320
They go through a number of athletes in the past

799
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.840
who have hyper androgenism, and some of the issues is created.

800
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.519
I'm not going to go through all the examples.

801
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.920
Then they got in touch with a doctor, right, and

802
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:45.320
they talk to someone who's the head of department of

803
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:50.079
a part of a hospital and they get all the credentials.

804
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:51.320
I'm not going to go through all of that, right,

805
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.719
So they told us what hyper androgenism and it's impact

806
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.880
on a female athlete. All right, So this doctor said,

807
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.880
a disorder known as hyper androgen is defined by high

808
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.400
amounts of androgens, are male hormones like testosterone, and people

809
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.760
who are normally assigned to be theme to the female

810
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:14.840
gender at birth. Please note that again, hyperindrogenism is defined

811
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.360
by high amounts of androgens, are male hormones like testosterone,

812
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.639
and people who are normally assigned to be the female

813
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.400
gender at birth. Numerous medical symptoms such and that they

814
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.920
give a number of them. Things that can lead to

815
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:33.599
excessive hair growth, acne, irregular menstruation can result from high

816
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.400
androgen levels. So you can be a woman with these

817
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.360
high androgen levels and they can manifest itself in different ways, right,

818
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.880
maybe severe acne, maybe excessive hair growth, And obviously you

819
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.760
can think of some of the things that could be

820
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.199
very difficult for a woman then to deal with.

821
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:51.199
But they are a woman.

822
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.800
They just are producing high levels of testosterone, other and

823
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.719
other androgens. She Furthered further noted athletes who have hyper

824
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.280
androgenism also face serious social and psychological difficulties. Their mental

825
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.480
health and self esteem may suffer as a result of

826
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:12.400
the stigma and scrutiny associated with the disease. Furthermore, treating

827
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:16.800
the illness frequently calls for medical procedures that have potential

828
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:21.039
negative consequences on general health and function, and addition to

829
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.599
their own set of side effects. See now you're talking

830
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:28.960
about human beings with a condition that can be very

831
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:33.519
damaging physically and psychologically. This is not just something to

832
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:42.360
yell at and call people names. When asked, is it

833
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:47.079
fair to question a female athlete's gender due to hyper androgenism,

834
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.480
the doctor said it is critical to understand that hyperindrogenism

835
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.480
does not determine an athlete's gender on its own. Gender

836
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.440
identity is very personal experience that is not exclusively based

837
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.679
on biological characteristics. Now I know immediately Christians will yell

838
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.079
at that, and I got no problem having a disagreement

839
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:06.119
with that. Right, we can get into gender identity versus

840
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.079
biological We can get into that discussion.

841
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:09.039
All right.

842
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:13.719
All I'm saying is you can have a biological woman

843
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:18.599
who can have hyper androgynism, producing higher levels of these

844
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.840
androgens and testosterone, et cetera. You can have a biological

845
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.519
woman who can have the x Y chromosome. That does

846
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.599
not make them a man, all right, because it's much

847
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:32.039
more complicated that.

848
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:35.559
That's all I'm trying to say is we have to

849
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:36.719
look at this in.

850
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:41.159
A much more careful way in order to show respect,

851
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.400
to show that we care about truth, and to show

852
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.760
that we love even our enemies.

853
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.280
And that we do not bear false witness.

854
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.599
Because Christians should be Christianity should be the place the

855
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:59.079
world comes to hear careful, compassionate, rational, logical, and truthful

856
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:07.320
discussion about controversial issues. Furthermore, it can be detrimental and

857
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.320
discriminatory to question an athlete's gender based on their hormone levels.

858
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:14.440
This can perpetuate stigma and have an impact on the

859
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.039
mental health of athletes just because of a hormone level.

860
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:21.800
You can't question someone's sexuality or their gender based off

861
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:29.159
a hormone level. She emphasized how medical justice should not

862
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.760
be able. She should not be about labeling athletes as

863
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.199
male or female based on a hormone measurement, but rather

864
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.840
about giving them the same chances and support. Ultimately, despite

865
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.599
the controversy and public scrutiny and Mankahlief has consistently identified

866
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.599
as a woman and the IOC has permitted her to

867
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.360
compete in the Olympics as such, and light of this,

868
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.360
this matter should be considered settled. Now, I don't know

869
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.719
if it should be considered settled. I'm not saying I'm

870
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.239
going to go that far. And I got probably thirty

871
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.960
other articles here. We've already been at this for fifty

872
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:57.639
one minutes.

873
00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:59.159
So here's what we know.

874
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:07.079
A main Khlief from almost has identified and participated in

875
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.719
boxing as a woman for a good portion of her life.

876
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.400
She has even been defeated by eight other women.

877
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.760
There is no evidence she ever has there's definitely no

878
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.719
evidence that she's transgender. There's definitely no evidence that she

879
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:26.400
ever even experienced mal puberty. So at this point we

880
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.760
can see that she's a biological As far as we

881
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:33.639
can tell at this moment is that she's a biological woman. However,

882
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:39.400
she may have conditions that would explain higher levels of testosterone,

883
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:44.119
may explain having X Y chromosome, there are other things

884
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.559
that can explain it. At this point, we don't know

885
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:50.920
because the test that remember, she competed before and there's

886
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:53.400
never been an issue, and then to twenty twenty three,

887
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.039
there was an issue by an organization that the Olympus

888
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.559
no longer recognize, and that organization has not.

889
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.760
Released the test. Look, we don't know what the test,

890
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:05.360
What did they test, what did they find?

891
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:05.679
What?

892
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.480
With the situation, there's still a lot of information. Some

893
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:11.880
would say that the tests are not even valid. We

894
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:12.400
don't know.

895
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:14.840
But it doesn't take much.

896
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.760
You just throw something out there and then boom, Christians

897
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:20.400
are jumping all over it and accusing people of things.

898
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.360
We should be the last ones to do that. You

899
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.360
know what our thing should be? Who whah woh everyone

900
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:27.559
stop stop stop, stop, stop stop.

901
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:35.079
We're talking about a human being. Let's be careful how

902
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.440
we speak of this human being, and let's try to

903
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:43.360
figure out the facts. Now, if it's determined that Caliph

904
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.599
is a man, a biological man, and a biological man

905
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.079
has been competing against women, then that's an issue that

906
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:56.679
needs to be discussed, absolutely needs to be discussed. And

907
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.639
then we'd be like, why did the Olympics allow a

908
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.000
man to compete and this? And if they allow a

909
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.119
man to compete in this area, then are they going

910
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.800
to allow biological Then we get into a big discussion

911
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.679
and that that is a I am all.

912
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.159
For having that conversation.

913
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:17.159
I'm saying the Khalif situation may not be as simple

914
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:24.360
because of all the information that we currently have, which

915
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:27.840
seems to state the caliph has always identified as a woman,

916
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.920
has always competed as a woman, and has even been.

917
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.119
Beat by other women.

918
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.679
Now, will more evidence come out, I'm assuming it will.

919
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.199
Will this be discussed moving forward? I'm assuming it will.

920
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:51.239
What should the Christian approach be stop, pay attention, listen,

921
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:56.960
and let's try to find out what the truth is.

922
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:05.119
Let's try to find out what the truth is and

923
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:11.000
if we can great if there's any and once we

924
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.559
find out the truth, then we can speak accurately to

925
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:19.360
what the truth is. Now, what I fear they're going

926
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:27.079
to be people standing behind pulpits just saying crazy and

927
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.800
ridiculous things. I'm afraid to even look on the sermons

928
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.719
two point zero app right now, I'm afraid to even

929
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:35.119
look around. I believe by Monday there's gonna be probably

930
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.719
sermons where people are saying horrible things.

931
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:40.679
I'm afraid.

932
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:42.199
I'm worried that people are going to walk into my

933
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.559
church on Sunday saying ridiculous things about it, and I'm

934
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.599
gonna have to call them out going stop with this nonsense.

935
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.960
We have to pursue the truth. Now.

936
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.599
The truth may end up supporting the people that are

937
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:04.039
currently making certain Well, that's great. That still doesn't justify

938
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:08.079
making the claim now. Making the claim now before you

939
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:11.480
have the evidence, and then if the evidence later comes

940
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.400
out and supports your claim doesn't make mean you were

941
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.119
right and making the claim in the first place.

942
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:18.679
It just means that you ended up being right. Great,

943
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:19.920
but you could have been wrong.

944
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:22.000
What we need to do is wait and try to

945
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:26.920
gather facts. And there's a lot of contradictory facts right now.

946
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:31.559
I don't know if Khalif has any of the conditions

947
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:33.960
or the disorders that I have laid out. I don't

948
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:35.880
know if they have any of them, but I know

949
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:42.800
that there's ex medical explanations for higher testosterone levels, higher androgens,

950
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:47.000
higher all of x Y chromosome. There are explanations for

951
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:50.440
these and and it's like many Christians don't understand.

952
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:59.119
How complex some of these issues are. Now.

953
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:03.239
I've tried to be careful. I've tried to make sure

954
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:06.519
I stated everything correctly. If I mispronounced anything, I do

955
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:07.559
apologize for that.

956
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.559
Again. One of those articles, I had the audio.

957
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:12.360
I was going to play the audio for you, but

958
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.760
it completely disappeared, which really frustrates me. Okay, because I

959
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:17.519
wasn't prepared. I'm like, I don't even need to worry

960
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:19.760
about this page because I can just play it and

961
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:21.800
I'll worry about the other pages. And then next thing,

962
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:26.239
you know, the page that had the most medical terminology.

963
00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:29.119
Then okay, but I felt like I did pretty good.

964
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:30.480
I think I corrected the one.

965
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:35.719
All right. And there are other articles I have here.

966
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.039
See here's one article.

967
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.760
Khalif was proven to have x Y chromosome, according to

968
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.199
again a test that we haven't seen. That's from the IBA,

969
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.599
which sparked outrage throughout the sports world and beyond. X

970
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.320
Y chromosomes indicate that an individual's a mel However, certain

971
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.039
conditions can allow a woman to present X Y chromosomes.

972
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.679
It remains unconfirmed which condition Khalif might have, if any

973
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:10.079
at all. Right, and then the IBA has an ongoing

974
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:13.119
dispute with the Internal Olympic Committee. The organization is banned

975
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:17.679
from the Olympics, and some believe that this claim is

976
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:24.360
less than trustworthy. There is no indicator that Khalif is transgender.

977
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:30.719
This would raise entire different ethics concerned about her Olympic eligibility.

978
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.039
But she has never identified as anything other than a woman,

979
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:39.119
and there is no indication that she identifies as intersex either.

980
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.800
So there's no proof that she's transgender, no proof that

981
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.760
she's intersex. There's no proof that she's anything other than

982
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:49.760
a woman who may have a condition that could explain

983
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.800
certain things, but we don't know for sure. Now you

984
00:58:54.840 --> 00:59:01.800
would think if she's a man, that would be a

985
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.760
probably some you think some evidence would have emerged quickly.

986
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.559
Now maybe it will. And she has fooled everyone. She

987
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:12.440
was a man. She's not even transgender.

988
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.199
She's just a man pretending to be a woman, and

989
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.639
everyone's gonna find out soon. But she's not transgender. There

990
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.360
seems to be no and from the country she's from

991
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:34.239
I guarantee you she can't be transgender, all.

992
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:43.239
Right, And I'm looking here. I've got more. I've got more.

993
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.079
I've got so many articles here on this.

994
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.639
It says Caliph was never known as a dominant champion,

995
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:05.599
or an overpowering physical specimen, or even a particular hard puncher,

996
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:10.079
so she was never seen as anything. There was never like, wow,

997
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:13.280
she's got more power, she's more dominant, she's more strong

998
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.800
because she's a man, never an issue, and then now

999
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.079
all of a sudden, oh my goodness, she's a man.

1000
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.000
Why you think at some point this would have been

1001
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:32.760
addressed in the past. She was born a main Khaliph

1002
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:38.199
was born in northwestern Algeria. Her father initially didn't approve

1003
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:43.079
of girls participating in boxing. Please note father didn't approve

1004
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.920
of girls participating in boxing, but Khalif said she gave

1005
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:49.639
up soccer as a teenager to pursue her new passion,

1006
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.320
even though she had to travel ten kilometers each way

1007
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:56.559
to the gym. Khalif eventually caught the attention of Algeria's

1008
01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:00.159
national team, making her major tournament debut in twenty eighteen

1009
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.239
with a first round loss. Now, the International Boxing Association

1010
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:09.679
World Champions now the International Boxing Association World Champions. She

1011
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.400
lost five of her first six elite level bouts, but

1012
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.639
improved and excelled, so she lost the first five of

1013
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:21.920
her six elite boxing matches. Her father didn't approve of

1014
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.840
a girl boxing. Where is this anywhere showing that this

1015
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.599
is you think her father would be like, hey, she

1016
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:35.039
was a boy, unless the father is in on the

1017
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:44.679
conspiracy as well. Khalif was one of Algeria's first three

1018
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:48.280
Olympic women boxer sent to Tokyo three years ago. She

1019
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:51.239
won her opening bout, but lost her second to eventually

1020
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:56.559
gold medalist Kelly Harrington of Ireland. So again she's lost

1021
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:59.199
plenty of times two other women.

1022
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:22.800
All right, I'm looking here and yeah, I'm going here reading.

1023
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:30.920
Okay.

1024
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.519
Another person says personally, I don't think she has done

1025
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:37.760
anything to cheat. I think it's the way she was

1026
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.000
born and that's out of her control. The fact that

1027
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:43.000
she has been beaten by nine females before says it

1028
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:45.760
all So, actually nine she had been beaten by nine,

1029
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.159
not eight, all right, so I know it is somewhere

1030
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:51.239
between eight and eleven. So she lost what her first

1031
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:53.559
four or five out of her first elite level box

1032
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:56.119
I mean all that article, right, that's from the Associated Press.

1033
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.039
So once you start digging into this, her father didn't

1034
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:00.840
want her to box because they didn't want a girl

1035
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:03.519
to box, I mean, everything seems to point that she's

1036
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:07.079
a female. Now, if her body is producing higher levels

1037
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.360
of these things, then we can have that conversation. But

1038
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.679
clearly there's nothing that would indicate at all in her

1039
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.599
entire boxing career that she's ever had an unfair advantage

1040
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:21.960
because she's been beaten multiple times and she's not even

1041
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.559
known for being a powerful puncher even in her weight class.

1042
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.400
So a lot of this is just pure you know

1043
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.039
what this reminds me of?

1044
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.760
And I'll stop with this because we're at sixty three minutes.

1045
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:41.360
I think I've covered everything I could possibly cover. I

1046
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:45.960
lived through it in the nineteen eighties, which called the

1047
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.880
Great Satanic Panic, where everyone was like, there's teams of

1048
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.880
Satanists roaming about and it was crazy living through that

1049
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.559
in the eighties, utterly nuts, a little bit of paranoia,

1050
01:03:57.760 --> 01:03:59.920
a little bit of fear, and then people just start

1051
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:05.840
saying and doing and acting and ridiculous ways, making outrageous claims,

1052
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:08.760
and come to find out it's all bogus and it's

1053
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:13.239
based off not anything true. We saw the panic, and again,

1054
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.960
everyone knows how much I love Salem, Salem, Massachusetts. Everyone

1055
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.880
knows how I love that place, and I go to

1056
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:21.320
anything I can go to learn about that.

1057
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:23.840
And how you know, witches.

1058
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.119
There's witches everywhere and in everyone's panicking and then people

1059
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:32.440
start dying because of fear. Now I understand there are

1060
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:39.800
legitimate concerns, legitimate concerns about how things should work in

1061
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:44.800
athletics when it comes to people who are transgender and

1062
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:46.880
who should be able to compete and who should not

1063
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:52.119
be able to compete. And those are true and necessary

1064
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:56.559
discussions that must be determined, and there must be some

1065
01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.639
reason brought to those discussions, and there should be there

1066
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.880
should be fact, there should be logic, and we should

1067
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:07.119
seek to do the best to protect women in sports

1068
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:10.519
so that they can compete and have success and not

1069
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.800
be taken away by people who have an unfair advantage

1070
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:17.199
or people who are not women. I'm very much in

1071
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:21.960
supportive that and don't and anyway misconstrue this or mischaracterize

1072
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.159
or accuse me of something that's not true. But at

1073
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.320
the same time, because there is concern there. We don't

1074
01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:29.760
let that turn into a wild witch hunt where we

1075
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.480
start accusing people of being something that they are not

1076
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:34.239
and accusing them of things.

1077
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:35.320
That are not accurate.

1078
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.840
Because Christianity should be the place that people come to

1079
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.239
and go, Hey, the world out there is yelling and

1080
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.519
screaming and there's accusations, and that's chaos. But go find

1081
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:49.039
a Christian because they will be compassionate and empathetic, and

1082
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:51.719
they will speak truth, and they will put away lying,

1083
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.360
and they will not bear false witness, and they will

1084
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.599
not participate in gossip and slander, and they're not going

1085
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:01.119
to judge in an unfair way because Chris care about truth,

1086
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:03.800
and they love people, and they care about people, and

1087
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.039
they even love their enemies, and they don't want to

1088
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:09.360
bear false witness because they treat people with dignity and respect.

1089
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.760
The only problem is nobody turns to Christianity for that,

1090
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:20.880
because Christians don't do any of that, including me. Probably

1091
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.280
sometimes I am just as guilty as anybody else. So

1092
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.599
don't let me make this that I'm somehow better than

1093
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:26.239
everyone else.

1094
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:33.239
We're all guilty of it. We need to stop it now.

1095
01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:35.000
I don't know how this is going to play out.

1096
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:37.519
I don't know what evidence is going to come forward.

1097
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:42.760
Everything right now is changing. But when you have the

1098
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:44.960
more articles you read, and you know, when you have

1099
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.039
the father saying, hey, I didn't want my daughter to

1100
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:51.239
be a boxer, what that means that even when she

1101
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:55.480
was little, the father considered her a girl. Okay, and again,

1102
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.519
you're in a country, you're in a Muslim country. They're they're,

1103
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.079
they're everything about that country would not allow for her

1104
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:05.400
to be transgender, allowed for transition or anything like that.

1105
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:11.960
So and why could she compete? Compete, compete, compete, no problem,

1106
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:14.079
no problem, no problem. And then all of a sudden

1107
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:19.280
in twenty twenty four, she's a man. Whoa wait a minute.

1108
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:24.159
Where where did when did this controversy start? And if

1109
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:26.639
she was a man, she obviously is not very good boxer,

1110
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:28.360
considering she lost her first.

1111
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:29.360
Five elite fights.

1112
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:32.239
Are four of the first five or five of the

1113
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:33.480
first six elite fights?

1114
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.960
I don't I put that article away.

1115
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:43.519
She's been beat by you know, nine women, nobody perceives

1116
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:45.360
her as having an unfair advantage. But then all of

1117
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.840
a sudden, in one fight, uh oh, look at that.

1118
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.320
That's a man killing a woman and.

1119
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.039
Okay, well, let's let's let's wait and see.

1120
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.320
Now, if it's proven that she's a biological woman but

1121
01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:59.760
has an unfair advantage because of one of the conditions

1122
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:05.079
we mentioned where she's producing more testosterone, or or maybe

1123
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:07.519
because she has an x Y chromosome, that they can

1124
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:09.840
prove that that gives her an unfair advantage, then you

1125
01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:11.960
know what, we need to have that discussion and we

1126
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.000
need to rewrite the rules and figure out a way

1127
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.560
to make it more fair. But there's no evidence in

1128
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:20.439
her career that she has an unfair advantage.

1129
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:23.760
But if she does, then okay, let's discuss that.

1130
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:26.680
But guess what, she could still be a biological woman

1131
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.119
and yet have an unfair advantage because of these conditions

1132
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:36.800
which we've outlined. That's a whole different discussion. Now, if

1133
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:39.720
it's proven she's a man, then we can argue. Okay,

1134
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.920
So what were the Olympics thinking? Why was there deception

1135
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:50.000
involved here? How did she get away with this? I

1136
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:57.439
just wanted to bring clarity and rationality to this situation,

1137
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.399
all right? Do apologize that the audio that I wanted

1138
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:05.159
to play, which would.

1139
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:06.680
Have stated all I think I stated all of those

1140
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.680
terms pretty accurately. I think I did right.

1141
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:15.680
I was so focused on hyper androgenism that when I

1142
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:21.520
saw the term androgen insensitivity, I wanted to say and androgen.

1143
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:25.479
I was going with hyper androgenism. But androgen and sensitivity

1144
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.880
syndrome forty six x y DSD got it. And then

1145
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.720
the swire syndrome. I always want to say Sawyer forty

1146
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:33.960
six x y DSD.

1147
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:35.800
I think I got all of those. I think I

1148
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:37.600
got those pretty accurate. I think I did.

1149
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:41.520
I think I got her name correct, Khalief. I think

1150
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.079
that's the correct way to say it. If I'm incorrect,

1151
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:48.319
the other boxer Karini, carn't, I don't have it in

1152
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:50.039
front of me. I think I got that name right.

1153
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:54.159
Hyper Androgenism, I got that right. Intersexuality, I got that right.

1154
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:57.319
I think I got most of them correctly. Testosterone I

1155
01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:59.079
think I did. I think I got it most of

1156
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:02.439
it right, and the only reason I'm always worried about

1157
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:04.640
getting it right. But I'm even more so in this

1158
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:08.760
discussion because if I mispronounced one thing I have spoken

1159
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.279
for seventy minutes, people will focus on the one thing

1160
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:14.680
I messed up on to attack me instead of considering

1161
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.680
everything that I said and it's totality, and I hate

1162
01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:18.840
that sometimes.

1163
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:20.119
About how people will do.

1164
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:22.840
They will attack you on one thing and ignore everything

1165
01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:26.039
that you said. I tried to be fair, I tried

1166
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:27.479
to be accurate. I tried to look at all the

1167
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.439
different perspectives, and I started off with the Christian article.

1168
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:34.439
And I think the Christian article is strongly misleading. And

1169
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.359
we'll see if the Christian Post is challenged on it.

1170
01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:42.640
They're definitely being challenged on it in the comment section.

1171
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:44.000
Which I am happy to see.

1172
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:48.560
Now you do have the others immediately just saying saturnic,

1173
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:51.199
demonic and it's a man, and this is wrong, and

1174
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:53.800
of course people are trying to correct them, going, who whoa,

1175
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:55.720
there's more to this story.

1176
01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:58.439
So we'll see.

1177
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:01.840
All right, you can email me and make again. Let

1178
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:05.479
me make it very clear, this is a developing story.

1179
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:12.039
There will be more information, there will be changes. If

1180
01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:15.319
more information comes out that goes against things that I

1181
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:19.119
have presented to you, I've got no problem offering that clarification.

1182
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.640
If there's evidence that comes out that kind of confirms

1183
01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:25.279
the things that I have stated, well then maybe I

1184
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:27.239
will present that or not. I don't at that point,

1185
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.399
I don't have no desire to turn on the microphone

1186
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:32.359
to go see I told you so. Sometimes you have

1187
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:34.279
to do that, especially if you're getting lots of emails

1188
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:37.479
of people attacking you. But my goal here is to

1189
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:40.239
try to really just remember it's a human being involved

1190
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:46.520
in this story. There's a real human being involved. You

1191
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:49.840
may disagree with the human being, just I think sometimes

1192
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.720
as Christians. Just remember there again, there's no evidence that

1193
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:54.960
Caliph is transgender.

1194
01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:55.560
There's nothing.

1195
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.520
There's no evidence that she's intersex. There's there's no evidence

1196
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.960
that she's anything other than a female, maybe with some

1197
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.319
of these conditions, but we don't know. But just remember,

1198
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I'll go ahead and throw this out there. Every human

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being who's a part of the lgbt Q well, all

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the different letters that may be added, but the LGBTQ community,

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I just go with the basic ones the LGBTQ community.

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Just remember they're human beings. They're human beings created in

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the image of God, and they have an eternal soul.

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You may disagree with their ideology, you may disagree with

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their philosophy, you may disagree with their sexual preference, but

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they're still a human being. And as much as we

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may want to fight against the ideology or fight against

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their concepts of their ideas. We still, at the same

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time want to demonstrate compassion and love to the people,

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because what we should ultimately want for people whom we

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disagree with is not to humiliate them, scream at them,

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yell at them, and embarrass them by What we should

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you'd want, is to speak about what sin is and

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have no problem condemning sin. But we do so not

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in order to just destroy someone, but in order for

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someone to come to the truth and become saved so

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that they can have eternal life in heaven versus eternity

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in hell. Sometimes we're so more more interested in winning

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a debate and winning an argument than we are and

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having compassion and loving the person. A person is not

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a debate to be one. A person is someone that

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we're supposed to love, because we're supposed to love even

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our enemies, and we're not to be overcome by evil,

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but we are to overcome evil with good

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God bless