Feb. 21, 2025

No Church Obeys This?

No Church Obeys This?

A discussion about 1 Timothy 5:19-20

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A discussion about 1 Timothy 5:19-20

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective.

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This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central.

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Who starts a podcast episode at eleven fifty nine am?

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I mean, do I say good morning? Do I say, well,

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kind of almost afternoon?

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Who starts it at eleven fifty nine? All I needed

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to do was wait sixty seconds and then I could say,

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good afternoon everyone. It is high noon right here in

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West Texas. Oh wait, I can't say that yet. All right,

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it's it's not high noon yet. Please, no, no, no,

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go move away from.

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The f Okay, Oh, here we go.

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Now we can say good afternoon everyone. It is high

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noon here in West Texas. It is Friday, February the

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twenty first, twenty twenty five.

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It is currently what.

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Time, ladies and gentlemen, twelve pms Central Time? And I

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am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio

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located right here in Abilene, Texas. I got emails coming in,

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I got people trying to call me. I got I

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don't know what's going on outside things. There's all kinds

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of things going on. But we've got to really ask

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ourselves a very important question, right, and that question is

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this is it true that no church in thirty plus

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years has ever obeyed a specific scripture? Is it true

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that no church in thirty plus years has ever obeyed

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a specific passage of scripture? Now I know you say,

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well I kind of need a little bit more details.

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What exactly are you talking about.

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Well, we will get to that in just a minute,

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Well, a listener got this email from sermonadio and then

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what who cares about Android use?

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Who? Who? Who? I mean?

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who's using the legacy app. Okay, sometimes I'm just baffled. Okay,

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I won't even look at it first, and then I

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will react to it in real time. But we're not

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here to talk about that. We got to get back

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to churches obeying a particular.

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Passage of scripture.

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Here's what happened this morning. I was attending chapel Bob

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Jones University, and in that sermon someone made a statement

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about churches and their failure to obey a particular passage

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of scripture.

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So what I'm going to do.

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Is I'm going to play for you a segment of

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what was said during chapel at the Bob Jones University

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this morning. I'm not here to review the entire sermon.

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I'm not here to do any of that. This This

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is just one specific thing that I want you to hear.

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The name of the message is God's mercy to his Church.

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It's kind of like a part one. So the text

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is Revelation chapter two. He's talking about the Church at Ephesus.

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All right, so he's talking about the Church at Ephesus.

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He only did part of it this morning, and then

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tonight they'll do another live webcast. You can listen to

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it on the sermon's two point oh apple watch it

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and they'll complete his discussion of Revelation chapter two, verses

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one through seven, and his discussion about the Church of Ephesis.

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I would challenge you to watch it tonight. But in

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the meantime, let's go listen to what was said in

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chapel service Bob Jones University. He makes this statement about

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churches failing to obey something, and you can tell me

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whether you agree, disagree, and what you've experienced in your life.

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Here we go.

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So we'll close this morning by looking at four things

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very quickly that Jesus commends about her function, about her existence.

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Three of them are found in verses two and three. Right,

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there's three couplets in verses two and three, two and

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verse two one and verse three. But the fourth one

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is found in verse six. He says, first of all,

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verse two, I know your works, even your labor and endurance,

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and that you cannot bear evil ones It's fascinating to me.

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The word works, labor, and endurance all relate to these

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evil ones in the church.

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Like they were doing a really good job.

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Making sure, as we said earlier, that those that would

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disrupt the function of the church were addressed and quickly removed.

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What does the word works mean, Well, these are general

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works that churches do that create health in the church.

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They're faithful to worship. They're faithful and caring for the

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spiritual and physical needs of the flock. Faithful in normative

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study of God's word and in the preaching of his word.

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They're faithful in fellowship and the breaking of bread. Those

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are just general works. But they went beyond that. They

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went to labor. This is the Greek word copiahoh. This

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is like blood, toil, sweat. Right. Edward quotes Edwards quotes

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Robinson's Greek work. He said, it's like a beating accompanying

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with wailing and grief. They really really went deeper. What

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are those harder copya oh, things that Jesus is commending

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them for doing. They were faithful in the practice of

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preaching the harder parts of the Bible. Right, They were

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rebuking and exhorting with all long suffering and doctrine, just

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like Paul told Timothy to do at Ephesus, and he

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did it faithfully. They were doing the Galatians six one

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and two thing in the Matthew eighteen fifteen to seventeen.

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They were confronting people who were walking.

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With the Lord but had been found in a fault,

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or who had been offended, and they had that hard

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one on one conversation. Those are the copy I oh,

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things of local church ministry.

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They even practice one Timothy five nineteen and twenty in Ephesus.

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Timothy's the pastor there when the elder, when the pastor

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falls into sin, or someone suspects that he is, they

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even follow I call for simity five nineteen and twenty

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the Matthew eighteen fifteen to seventeen for pastors. And I

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will tell you, I've never seen one church obey that text.

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After thirty five years in ministry, not one they did.

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They honored godur.

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Now. Wow, now he's saying the Church of Ephesus obeyed this.

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I don't know if I can.

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Can I take that from that revelation to passage, I

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don't know, But so here is his statement and thirty

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five years of ministry, he has never seen one church

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that has obeyed one tim at the five nineteen through twenty,

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which reads against an elder received not an accusation, but

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before two or three witnesses, them that sin rebuke before

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all that, others also may fear them, that sin rebuke

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before all that others also may fear. So, according to him,

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in thirty five years, he has never seen a church

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who either they received an accusation from one person, but

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there weren't two or three witnesses, and then.

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They acted upon that.

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So do you act upon an accusation if there's not

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two or three witnesses?

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Do you investigate it? What if it's just the words

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of one person versus another?

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Like?

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Okay, all right, so are there any nuance here? And

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then them that's sin.

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I'm assuming he's referring to the them there goes back

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to the elder, not just to anyone. So them, that's

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the the elder that sins rebuke before all that others

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may also fear. And when I say rebuke before all,

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does that mean rebute before the gathered church or a

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public statement?

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Well?

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Again, is there any nuance here? And that no church

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in thirty five years has ever done this right? Now,

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of course he's referring to that he's never seen one.

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It's what he has encountered. That's a pretty bold statement.

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So I was like, well, this is interesting. Interesting, Now

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you can tell me if you've ever seen a church

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do these things right? If they do these incorrectly, how

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does this allow for any nuance?

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Is there any room for like, well, every situation is

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somewhat different. What I've always said is when sin occurs,

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whether it's in the pew or whether it's from behind

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the pulpit, whether it's a church member, whether it's a

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pastor every situation, sin breaks everything, right, I mean, sin

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causes problems and damage and it hurts.

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But.

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Sometimes it's not. It can.

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What I'm trying to say is can sin always be

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easily addressed in a very simple like this is what

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you do, this is what you don't do.

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Is there not any room for nuance?

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And maybe, and I'm not saying we compromise scripture, but

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scripture can be very black and white. And is it

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always that simple? Maybe it is, maybe it should be.

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Maybe there's some room for nuance. I don't Maybe each

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situation is different. So for me, what I want to do. First,

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I just want to ask you to you so I

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want to expand this because I think nineteen and twenty

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if you'll look in verse seventeen to twenty five, there's

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a list of things here, and my question would be, okay,

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if churches don't obey, if there's not been a church

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that he's aware of in thirty five years of ministry

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that obeys one Timothy five, nineteen through twenty, what about

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seventeen to twenty five, Because there's a list of things here,

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do you feel the churches obey them or disobey them?

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So what I want to do just briefly, because as

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I was listening to that while, I started asking Ai

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some questions about it, but then I finally kind of

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gave up on that kind of that that conversation.

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So then I was like, hmm, I know what I'll do.

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So I asked Ai.

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I said, if we look at the entire section seventeen

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through twenty five, and if we look at everything that

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we know about church history and everything available to us

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about the modern church, which of the things listed has

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there been more of a not following, more of a

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disobedience of within the church.

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So I basically like, ay, I look seven, I've got a.

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Pastor here telling me that he doesn't know of any

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churches that have that obey Verses nineteen through twenty and

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thirty five years, Well, what.

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is interesting if you really think about it. Sermon after

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sermon after sermon, after sermon after sermon after sermon after

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sermon after sermon after sermon we hear is that when

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you become a Christian boom, you're freed from the power

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of sin.

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You can obey God. You can obey God. You can

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obey God, you can do it. You can basically keep

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but they almost act like you can basically be close

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to perfect.

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church that I know of has obeyed one Timothy five

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nineteen through twenty. Not one church can even pull off

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obeying Verses.

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Nineteen through twenty that you are aware of.

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probably disobey hundreds of scriptures, which would then go with

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that we are positionally perfect. Practically we're in a perpetual

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state of sin, because I mean, just think of all

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the sermons that constantly talk about we do this, and

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we do this, and do this and stop this and

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do this, and I bet you some of this, but

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then at the same time it's basically acted like.

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all of these sermons trying to rebuke people and tell

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everyone what they're doing wrong, because everyone would be doing right.

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I wanted ay to Ai to break it down.

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So this is what AI did, And I think this

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is pretty fascinating. AI said, looking at First Timothy five

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seventeen through twenty five and its entirety, and considering church

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history and modern church practices, we can analyze which aspects

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have been most neglected or violated over time. And I'm like, oh,

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this is good because AI can pull from everything. Right,

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there's when you just stand behind a pulpit and basically

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saying thirty five years I've never known a church to obey.

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lot of implications from that. I mean he didn't even

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say I mean, I'm sure that there are many that do.

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almost a sense of nobody does almost to it. I'm

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not saying that's what he was saying, but it's kind

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of implied. So let's look at seventeen through twenty five.

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That AI gives me.

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All Right, here we go, One Timothy five seventeen through

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twenty five. Let the elders who rule well be considered

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worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching

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and teaching. For the scripture says, you shall not mussle

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an ox when it treads out the grain, and the

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laborers deserve his wages. Do not admit a charge against

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an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses.

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presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

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persist in a sin. If someone confesses, repents and says, okay,

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I'm gonna stop, then well then okay, I mean don't

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does that not taken into consideration?

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Jesus and of the elect angels.

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I charge you to keep those to keep these rules.

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Without prejuding, doing nothing from partiality, all right, So without that,

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I think it's a typo. I think without prejudice, doing

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nothing from partiality. Oh, I'm sorry, without prejudging. There we

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go the way this was typed out. So let me

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read this again. I don't know why. I'm I don't

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know how I said that word. Okay, let's do this again.

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Verse twenty one. And the presence of God and of Christ,

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Jesus and of the elect angels. I charge you to

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keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality. It's

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when you read the King James like your whole life,

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and then you read a different translation. Your mind starts

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filling in words that may not be in the actual

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text because you're so used to hearing it. I know

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I'm making an excuse because I should have read it correctly,

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but you get the idea Verse twenty two. Do not

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be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take

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part in the sins of others. Keep yourselves pure. No

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longer drink only water, but use a little wine for

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the sake of your stomach and your frequent, frequent elements.

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The sins of some people are conspicuous, conspicuous going before

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them to judgment. But the sins of others appear later.

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remain hidden. Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna read this

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from the King James. I think it flows. I think

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it actually flows better here. All right, I'm gonna read

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it from the King James. All Right, there's Timothy five seventeen.

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Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of

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double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine.

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For the scripture, say that thou shalt not muzzle the

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ox that treadeth out the corn, and the labor is

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worthy of worthy of his reward. Against an elder received

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not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses them,

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there's sin rebuke before all that others also may fear.

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That's interesting the King James, huh them that sin okay.

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that could have a major impact, because because for one

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Timothy five twenty them that sin rebuke before all, that

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doesn't seem to imply doesn't matter if they persist or

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don't persist.

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So that's interesting, right. Verse twenty one.

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I charge thee before God and the Lord Jesus Christ

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and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without

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preferring one one before another, doing nothing by partiality, lay

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hand suddenly on no man, neither be partakers of other

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man's sins. Keep the thyself pure, drink no longer water,

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but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake, and

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for that infirmities. Some men's sins are open beforehand, going

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before to judgment, and some men they follow after. Likewise, Also,

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the good works of some are manifest beforehand, and they

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that are otherwise.

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in the other translation.

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All right, but yes, there we go.

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So AI says, which verses have been most neglected throughout

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church history and today all right starts with verse seven.

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Honoring elders who rule. Well, here's what AI says.

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In the historical church, there have been times when pastors

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and elders were honored and revered too much. That's interesting,

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sometimes leading to unbiblical power structures. So they're like, hey,

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this says too and verse seventeen, Let the elders rule well,

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be counted worthy of double honor. He said that the

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AI is like, what, but in early church they went

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too far, and you basically create the entire papacy, the

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entire structure of the pope and all of that, and

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that some cases it goes too far. Ai, this is,

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but within the modern church, many pastors, especially in small churches,

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are overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated. However, and some megachurches celebrity

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pastors receive excessive honor, wealth, and influence without accountability. So,

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in other words, what AI is saying the church has

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never quite yet figured out the exact proper way to

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do this. The churches it goes to extremes too much honor,

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too much celebrity, too much wealth, too much, too much

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of everything. And the others are like, you know, they're

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just basically underappreciated, overwork and taken for granted. So this

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is how AI says the neglect level they rate it

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as AI rates it as a moderate neglect level. Some

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pastors are not honored as they should be, while others

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are honored to an unbiblical extreme. So AI's basically this

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kind is kind of a moderate neglect level. This is

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a moderate issue, a moderate issue. Now you can tell

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me do you think pastors receive double honor though, especially

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those who labor in word and doctrine, someone who spends

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all their time and word and doctrine and teaching, do

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they get double honor? I think the people who get

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double honor, this is my now, this is my jaded approach,

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are those who are good with people. They know how

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to kiss the baby, shake the hand, look the people

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in eye.

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Do this.

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Do that help give people a little bit about what

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they want, make the people like them, make the people

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love them, be very personable, be very charismatic. Have those

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people's skills, know how to influence people and make friends,

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and you'll get double honor. Who stinking cares about doctrine

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and teaching. That's my own personal opinion. That's my own

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personal opinion, because you can kill yourself teaching hour after

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hour after hour after hour after hour after hour, and

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for the most part people don't care. You'll always have

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some who are very appreciative and you're grateful for that.

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But that's my own personal opinions.

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So there we go.

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the Catholic Church and other institutionalized denominations a massed of

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vast wealth, often beyond what was needed and contrasts, some

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Protestant traditions undervalued financial support for pastors, expecting them to struggle.

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So the Catholic Church did a mass great wealth. Now

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does that pass down to the priest?

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I don't think that.

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I don't think that's typically how that works. But okay,

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but it is true that in Protestant traditions, I think

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they undervalue financial support for pastors. I think within the

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Protestant tradition, it's almost like, well, a pastor shouldn't be

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driving that kind of car, a pastor shouldn't be living

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in that kind of house, because, I mean, being a

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pastor is not necessarily a real job. You need to

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go out there and get a real job. That it's

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very undervalued. In many pastors then struggle or have to

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be by vocational, and it's all great for the people

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sitting in the pew saying, well, be by vocational, And

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when the pastor's family is utterly and totally destroyed as

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a result of it, nobody in the pew ever takes

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any responsibility or cares. Okay, They're just like, well, you know,

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you should have done better. Well, in many cases, bivocational

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is not a positive thing for anyone, all right, But

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I think there's some some case here.

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So AI says this. AI says, where did I just go?

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All right?

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Ai? What just happened? Okay, okay, here we go right?

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AI went crazy there for a second. AI says this

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about this problem the.

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The financial support. It says, the neglect level is moderate.

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Some churches don't adequately support their pastors, while others enable

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financial abuse. Some some financial abuse sometimes and it's always

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and it's very subjective. It is very I was I

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was listening to a sermon the other night where someone

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was like literally just tearing into John MacArthur.

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I mean he was.

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They were accusing MacArthur is some really messed up stuff.

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But they did bring up the very controversial thing that

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was reported by the Roys Report. John MacArthur owns three homes,

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three houses. His salary he gets from the church. He

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gets a salary from Grace to You, from Grace to

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You Radio, which is just his edited sermons. So I

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don't know why you're getting paid for that?

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What are you getting paid for that for someone else's

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unless he's sitting in the studio editing the sermons. And

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I mean, you've already preached the sermon. It would I mean,

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be like me preach a sermon. Someone then takes my sermons,

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edit them into twenty five minute segments, produce the intro

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and the outro, place it on radio stations, and then

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I get paid for I mean like so it raises

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some questions but should I? But the real issue is

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should a pastor have three homes? Can a pastor have

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three homes and.

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Not be okay?

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Is that too much support? Can a pastor have a

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really nice home in three cars or a boat?

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Like where I see?

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It becomes very subjective, and I think sometimes the people

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in the pew can be like, I don't know if

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you should be getting that much. It's very once you

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bring money into the situation.

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It gets ugly, it gets ugly.

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So but Ai, but well again, please no, please. Note

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Ai has yet to say that no one does this.

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But AI is acknowledging that there is problems throughout church

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history on all of these issues. How about the due

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process for accusations against an elder historical church, this has

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often been neglected. Some church leaders have been removed based

477
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.720
on false accusations, while others have been protected despite clear wrongdoing.

478
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.240
The modern church, in recent years, many churches have ignored

479
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.880
this principle, sometimes assuming a pastor is guilty without proper evidence,

480
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:12.079
while in other cases covering up abuse instead of addressing

481
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.000
it biblically. The Catholic Church's history with clergy abuse scandal

482
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.920
is a major example of the failure to address accusations correctly.

483
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:21.440
Now this is.

484
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.319
Whati Now AI seems to agree with the Bob Jones chapel.

485
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:28.079
Now it doesn't say no church. But of course AI

486
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.359
can pull from greater information. And remember the speaker only

487
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:32.960
said what he had witnessed.

488
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:37.200
Ai said. The neglect level of this is high.

489
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.680
Many churches either fail to protect pastors from false accusations

490
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:48.160
or cover up legitimate accusations to protect their image. Now

491
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.000
when you look at those, when you look at verse seventeen, eighteen,

492
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.079
nineteen and twenty, you got two of the most controversial

493
00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:01.200
aspects of church life. Right, You've got power, double honor.

494
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.519
He's worthy of double honor, power authority, So you really

495
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:07.759
have three issues power authority.

496
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.839
Will just group that as one power authority. Right, Then

497
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:17.599
you have money, and then you have accusations. Well, how

498
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.759
much power should a pastor have, How much authority should

499
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.759
a pastor have? How much double honor should he receive?

500
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.400
What does that look like? And then money, how much

501
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.559
money should he get? How much is too much? How

502
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.680
much is too little? How little is too little? How

503
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:40.160
much is too much? How should that work?

504
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.519
And if as the King James says, is the King

505
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.880
James says for the scripture say it that thou shalt

506
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.759
not muzzle the ox that treadeth out his corn, the

507
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:56.759
labor is worthy of his reward. Now what happens is

508
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:58.519
some people will sit in the pew and go, well,

509
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:00.400
I don't think the pastor is only worth this much

510
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.759
or worth this much. And in other cases Christians will

511
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.799
will will There's no other way to get around this.

512
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.079
I know this sounds self serving, but they will feed,

513
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:19.000
they will get, they will glean from a ministry. Take take, take, take, take, take, take.

514
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.200
Hour after hour of teaching, and you never hear from them,

515
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.640
and they never give a cent, nothing, no support, no support.

516
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.799
Some people will go to church sermon after sermon after

517
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.200
sermon after sermon, they will complain they don't give that much.

518
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:43.559
But then how much is too much? I see?

519
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.240
The thing with these is it's very difficult to know

520
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:48.960
how much is too much honor?

521
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:50.680
How much is.

522
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.200
Too much money or too little money? And then how

523
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.319
do you handle accusations? One person brings an accusation, Well,

524
00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:58.519
do you have two or three witnesses?

525
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.839
No? All right, well so you're out of luck. Is

526
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:03.759
that the way you should be done? I don't think

527
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:04.920
anybody would agree with that.

528
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.720
So then do you say, well, okay, now we're going

529
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.519
to investigate it all right now, But the only thing

530
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.039
we can investigate is your claims. We still need two

531
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:13.880
or three witnesses.

532
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:15.480
Do you do you do that?

533
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.880
Or is one accusation sufficient? You say, well, it depends

534
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.960
on the evidence they have. Well, then do you need

535
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.240
then you don't need two or three witnesses? Well, no,

536
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:25.720
we need two or three witnesses.

537
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:26.559
You see, that can.

538
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.160
Get very convoluted. How that can work, right, that can

539
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.599
get ugly the way that a pastor could utilize that

540
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.960
to their advantage. But if at the same time an

541
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.559
accuser could use it as to their advantage. If the

542
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.240
church doesn't require any other evidence other than what one

543
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.440
person states, then you have to say, well, maybe it's

544
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:52.359
the type of evidence provided, right, so, and then the

545
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.319
rebuking before all, well, we'll see, we'll we'll go, We'll

546
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:57.559
go in the direction of AI.

547
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:01.079
So we've looked at h A has given us.

548
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.759
Honoring elders who rule well, financial support for pastors, due

549
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:11.119
process for accusations against elders, public rebuke. A historical church,

550
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.599
some church leaders were excommunicated publicly Martin Luther, but others

551
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.440
were protected despite grave sins the modern church, many churches

552
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.039
handle sin privately, avoiding public rebukes to protect their reputation.

553
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.200
Public scandals, such as financial misconduct or moral feelings often

554
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:32.039
lead to quiet resignations rather than clear public accountability, and

555
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.839
then AI says the neglect of this is very high.

556
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.279
Churches frequently fail to publicly rebuke sinful leaders, as scripture commands,

557
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:45.480
so again, when it says public though is that public

558
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.240
for the congregation? Is that public for everyone?

559
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.000
And again then we can get back to the translation issue.

560
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:54.480
Do your rebuke.

561
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.319
If they persist in sin? Or no rebuke if they

562
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:02.279
confess the sin translations? There we have one translation that says,

563
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.839
in fact, let me go back to it, the translation

564
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.200
that this the AI provided that I was having trouble

565
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:15.640
reading at times. It says, here, where is it as

566
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.039
for those who persist in sin?

567
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.200
Rebuke them? The King James.

568
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:29.079
Has let's see here them that sin rebuke before all.

569
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.799
I mean that's a major difference. I mean, that's a

570
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.319
significant difference here. All right, that's a big difference, a

571
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:41.200
very big difference, very very very very very very very big.

572
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.880
So we would have to we would have to consider that.

573
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:51.279
Now let's go to the next one here, going to AI, going.

574
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:56.240
Through all of these issues. Here it says here, okay,

575
00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:59.680
here we go, so public sin?

576
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:02.240
How do you handle that?

577
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:02.799
Okay?

578
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:03.279
Now?

579
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:08.359
Not no partiality or pre judging. Historically, many church decisions

580
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.240
throughout history have been driven by politics, favoritism, and bias.

581
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:18.119
Religious leaders have been given special treatment or condemned unfairly.

582
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:25.039
Modern church of modern churches often applied discipline inconsistently depending

583
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.920
on the leader's popularity, financial influence, or thiological alignment. Some

584
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.400
pastors are protected while others are sacrificed because of church politics.

585
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.880
The neglect level to this, according to AI, is very high.

586
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:44.680
Churches frequently show partiality, protecting some while disciplining others. All right,

587
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.160
and then that, of course is based off the scripture

588
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.119
I charge thee before God and the Lord Jesus Christ

589
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.480
and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without

590
00:33:54.559 --> 00:34:00.480
preferring one another, doing nothing. By partiality. There should no

591
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.799
be prejudging. There should be no partiality. There's not to

592
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.960
be any bias. The churches should be a place where

593
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:12.280
no partiality, no prejudging, none of that, no prejudice. However,

594
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.480
we know against sinful people. Once again, what we're seeing

595
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.480
we just look at. Anytime you see a list of

596
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.079
scriptures telling you do this, don't do this, all you

597
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.880
see is failure, because that's what failure happens. Whether it's

598
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:25.880
the speaker at Bob Jones going, I haven't seen a

599
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:27.360
church do this in thirty five years.

600
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.320
Even AI is like.

601
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:37.880
Hey, the failure level on some of these is extremely high. Right, then,

602
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:43.000
Ai goes on to verse twenty two, caution and ordaining

603
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:50.159
leaders historical church. Some church traditions require rigorous training for leaders,

604
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.639
but many promote leaders quickly for political or financial reasons.

605
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.320
The modern church, many churches ordained leaders too quickly without

606
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:03.519
assessing character, leading unqualified or spiritually immature pastors. The neglect

607
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.760
level of this is very high. Many churches rush to

608
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:14.719
ordained leaders without due diligence. All right, so Ai says

609
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.320
that so AI is almost listed all of these as

610
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.559
high in the in the amount of.

611
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.639
Failure that occurs to these, all right.

612
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:22.719
Using wine for.

613
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.719
Health says this verse has been followed practically but debated theologically.

614
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:31.519
Many churches have avoided alcohol entirely despite this passage modern churches.

615
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.360
Some churches teach total abstinence from alcohol, ignoring Paul's practical advice. However,

616
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.599
this isn't a major doctrinal failure compared to other verses.

617
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.519
The neglect level here is low, most more of a

618
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.719
debated issue than a serious neglect of biblical command. And

619
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.679
I would say we got to also understand it's in

620
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.920
historical content texts.

621
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.480
All right. The verse in verse twenty three says.

622
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.079
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for

623
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.519
thy stomach's sake. Now, first of all, well you don't

624
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.159
take that, don't ever drink water, I can, Okay, obviously

625
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.280
we don't take it that way. And then use a

626
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:11.400
little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine infirmities. All right,

627
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.079
they may be prescribing alcohol for your infirmities. I think

628
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.639
we've advanced a little bit in our medical knowledge and

629
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.159
we can probably see there could be something going on

630
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.559
in your stomach. There could be something going on in

631
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.679
your intestines. Maybe we need to test it try, Maybe

632
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:31.400
it needs surgery. Maybe here's instead of wine, maybe this medication.

633
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.360
So I mean, come on, so that one I think

634
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.440
we can. We have to again. We got to take

635
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.519
these things with someone's form of reason, all right. And

636
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.960
the next verse.

637
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:47.239
Twenty four and twenty five hidden and revealed sins. Historically,

638
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.159
corruption and sin have often been hidden for years before

639
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.400
coming to light. Many church scandals took generations to be

640
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.199
fully revealed. And that happens so many times. Right, it's

641
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.840
kind of that old saying. It's kind of a cliche.

642
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.960
You know, you either you die young a hero, or

643
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.039
you live long enough to become to be basically, to

644
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.760
become the enemy, become evil, to be seen as evil.

645
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:14.159
Either the longer you are around in ministry, the longer

646
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:18.119
you are around in ministry, sooner or later you're gonna

647
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.840
have some failure. You're gonna have some because you're a sinner.

648
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.840
So but the key is, some cases things are hidden,

649
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.800
some things come to light. The modern church, the Internet

650
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.519
age is exposed hidden sins, sexual abuse, cover ups, financial

651
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.719
corruption that went unchecked for decades. Please note, a lot

652
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.480
of people, the church is getting so much worse. We

653
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:42.039
just got now ways to get you got the Roys Report.

654
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.679
You can just you can see all of the Dirt

655
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.960
of the Church being published Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

656
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.239
She updates the site regularly with horrible stories about what's

657
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.119
going on in the church. Sexual abuse, sexual abuse, sexual sin,

658
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.119
this corruption, financial this. Sometimes it's just like horrible to

659
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.840
see and it should bother you. But on the other hand,

660
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.239
it just proves what I say over and over and

661
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.000
over again, Christians were not better than anybody else.

662
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:13.519
We are sinners.

663
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.760
We're just declared to be righteous positionally while we're still

664
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.760
sinners practically. Right, Ai says the problem the failure here

665
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.960
is high. Many churches have ignored this principle, assuming hidden

666
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.199
sins won't be exposed all right. So then AI's like,

667
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.719
here's the final ranking of the most neglected principles in

668
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:36.679
one Timothy number one, verse twenty. Public rebuke of sinning

669
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:42.159
elders number two, verse twenty one. No partiality in church

670
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:48.079
discipline number three, verse nineteen, recurring requiring two or three

671
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:54.400
witnesses number four. Caution and ordaining leaders number five, recognizing

672
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.400
hidden sins and good works verse seventeen. Honoring elders who

673
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:04.119
rule well, some times overdone, sometimes neglected number seven, verse eighteen.

674
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:09.480
Financial support for pastors with abuse both ways verse twenty three, using.

675
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:11.119
Wine for health.

676
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:17.039
Low or not worry about it. So here's what AI says.

677
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.239
The two areas where the church has most failed are

678
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:25.679
failure to publicly rebuke sinful elders and partiality and prejudice

679
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.920
and church discipline. Historically and today, churches have failed to

680
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:35.639
consistently apply discipline fairly and biblically. What do you think

681
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:40.199
have you seen this pattern in how churches handle leadership issues?

682
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:42.920
Now?

683
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:49.239
The church is an institution has failed. Why because the

684
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:50.400
church is made up of.

685
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.960
Sinners who fail. Now that's just the that just makes

686
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:56.559
us uncomfortable, but is true.

687
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.920
But when you're dealing with power and authority of a pastor,

688
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.719
pay for a pastor, and then how to deal with

689
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:10.079
sin within the leadership within the pastors. The churches struggle

690
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.000
in all three of these areas, how to handle the authority,

691
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:14.559
how much authority, how much honor?

692
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.480
What does that look like? Pay? How much?

693
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:16.760
Pay?

694
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:17.679
Too little? Pay?

695
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.519
Taking it for granted, where the people in the pew

696
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.280
take take, take, take, take, and they just take it

697
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.960
for granted. People take teaching for granted. They're like, I

698
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.239
can get and again, I love the sermon's two point

699
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.079
oh app But you know how hard it you you

700
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.880
get six thousand sermons a week, you just take it

701
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.119
for another sermon, another sermon, another sermon, another.

702
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:41.599
You don't even think about it.

703
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:43.960
You don't think how much time went into preparing it,

704
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.440
how much effort went into it. You just take it

705
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.960
for granted. And in many cases those people will get

706
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:49.599
not to see a.

707
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.440
Dime or or get no support for the work they

708
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.519
go into it. In some cases they're barely getting any

709
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.440
support from the church they're working at, and some may

710
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:59.320
be getting way too much.

711
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:03.000
And they've got you know, four houses, fifteen cars, you know,

712
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:04.559
and it's like, so is that?

713
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.559
But again, who am I to say that's too much?

714
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:11.639
All right?

715
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.840
And then sin? Look dealing with sin, whether the sin

716
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.119
is in the pew or whether the sin is behind the.

717
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:26.719
Pulpit, it gets ugly, it gets difficult, and it's it's

718
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:27.360
not easy.

719
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:31.159
Now what I want to do is I messed up

720
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:31.559
a word?

721
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:31.800
Here?

722
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.760
Where is it? Let me go back here?

723
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:35.559
Let me find it.

724
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.239
I want to correct this.

725
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.480
I want to correct this right when I let me

726
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:47.320
do this, I gotta I gotta select this. I don't

727
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:52.199
know why I'm messing up this word, but let me

728
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.639
let me correct it really quick. All right, let me

729
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:57.079
correct this really quick.

730
00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:58.320
I have no care.

731
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.159
I don't care if it makes me look stupid. I

732
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:08.440
would rather be accurate than trying to look smart. Conspicuous conspicuous,

733
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:10.400
that's the word conspicuous.

734
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.840
All right, let me go back to I was having

735
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.280
trouble reading the translation, just the way it was typed

736
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:21.800
out here? How AI typed ituus? Conspicuous? Conspicuous is the word?

737
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:22.079
All right?

738
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:22.480
Here we go.

739
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.239
So now I'm going to read this and I'm going

740
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to use conspicuous correctly you think I will. Let's see,

741
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.880
all right, here we go one Timothy five seventeen through

742
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.280
twenty five, using the translation provided by AI. All right,

743
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.880
let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of

744
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double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching.

745
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Verse eighteen, for the scripture says, you shall not muzzle

746
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an ox when it treads out the grain, and the

747
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:54.360
laborer deserves his wages. Verse nineteen, do not admit a

748
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charge against an elder except on the evidence of two

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or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin,

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rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the

751
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.840
rest may stand in fear and the presence of God

752
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.800
and of Christ, Jesus, and of.

753
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:12.679
The elect angels.

754
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I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging. Remember

755
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.440
I messed up that word doing nothing from partiality. Verse

756
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.079
twenty two. Do not be hasty and the laying on

757
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.199
of hands, nor take part in the sins of others.

758
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.639
Keep yourselves pure. No longer drink only water, but use

759
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.480
a little wine for the sake of your stomach and

760
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:41.079
your frequent elements. Or here we go The sins of

761
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:47.079
some people are conspicuous, going before them to judgment, but

762
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:53.760
the sins of others up here later conspicuous Verse twenty five.

763
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.800
So also good works are conspicuous, and even those that

764
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are not cannot remain hidden there.

765
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:05.320
Do I no?

766
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Do? Am I worthy of double honor? Because I corrected conspicuous,

767
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.400
And because I kept saying conspicus conspicuous. I don't even

768
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.639
know how I was saying it, because what happens is

769
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.440
I start reading it, and my mind is reading the

770
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.039
King James, and the King James does not say anything

771
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.360
like the King James says, some men's says are open

772
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.880
before them, going before judgment, and some men and some

773
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.159
men they follow after. Likewise, also the good works of

774
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.239
some men are manifest. It doesn't say it's conspicuous either way.

775
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And so my brain I was having trouble because I

776
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.239
kept hearing the King James while I'm trying to read

777
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:43.840
these other.

778
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.159
Words, and I'm like, where are the right words? Who

779
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:47.840
changed the words? Okay?

780
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.480
That's where I stay with two. Well, you know, been

781
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.599
using the King James my whole Christian life. I mean,

782
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:55.599
that's the only translation I've ever known. It's the only

783
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.840
one I've ever used to preach your teach in so conspicuous.

784
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:02.360
It's not that complicated double word, right, it's not. It's

785
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.719
complicated when you're you know, when you mess up.

786
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.480
But there you go. So what do you think?

787
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.960
Do you think churches obey this? Do you think churches

788
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:15.119
disobey this? I will say we all struggle with it,

789
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which just demonstrates my thing. So here are the areas

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00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:23.400
honor and well we'll put this with position and authority.

791
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How do you think your church handles giving honor and

792
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.480
the position and authority respecting that position and authority of

793
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:31.760
your pastor?

794
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.840
What do you think? What do you think?

795
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.719
And we got to get practical. For example, if the

796
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:42.960
pastor dedicates their life.

797
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To teaching, teaching, teaching, doctrine, theology, and all of a

798
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.000
sudden you just think, I think he's wrong. What does

799
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:51.679
it look like.

800
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.199
In that situation to show double honor to the pastor?

801
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:58.760
Do you just start arguing with him during sermons? Do

802
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.000
you just get mad and leaving go to another church?

803
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:06.679
Is that showing double honor? How does that work? See

804
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.639
it's a great it's a theoretical concept, but how does

805
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.719
it work in practicality? What does it look like to

806
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.599
show double honor? What does that mean for their position

807
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.000
and thority? And can you go too far? Well, obviously

808
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.639
you can go too far. What does it mean to

809
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.639
pay the pastor accurately? You know, to our correctly or

810
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.559
or you know significantly enough, or or you know and an.

811
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.119
Actual correct amount? What is too much? What is too little?

812
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.480
And how do we deal with sin in the church

813
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.679
when it comes to those behind the pulpit, those in leadership?

814
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.760
Do we show partiality and bias in the church?

815
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:45.800
Where does that show up?

816
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.639
How about do we ordain people who may not actually

817
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:55.599
should be be a pastor? And I'm talking about just qualifications,

818
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.920
And how do we deal with just in not just

819
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.559
within the church. Some men's sins are open, others are

820
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.920
are not. Good works are manifest? How do we deal

821
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.760
with sin and good works within the church? Forget and

822
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.880
forget the people behind the pulpit in the pew sin

823
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:15.840
good works?

824
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.119
How do we understand it? Some sins are hidden? In

825
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.159
other words, we don't always truly know what's going on

826
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:25.000
inside of anyone. We may see bad, we may see good.

827
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:27.239
We don't really have an accurate picture. How do we

828
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:32.920
bring that into the church. All right, all of that

829
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:37.280
from the Bob Jones Chapel service. So please consider that

830
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.519
this morning, and just and I just want you to

831
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:41.480
consider what you've seen.

832
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.000
I mean, the Bob Jones thing is about what he

833
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.760
had seen thirty five years nobody obeying verse nineteen and twenty,

834
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:52.679
nobody and his experience. I will say this, and I'll

835
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.480
and this is how I'll end you. Go one Timothy

836
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.400
five seventeen through twenty five. You will see no church

837
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.519
obeying all of that perfectly. And you know what that proves.

838
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.239
That proves what I have been trying to teach you

839
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.400
for most of my Christian life. Okay, no one keeps

840
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:16.840
the law of God. No one does, no church does,

841
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:23.920
no person does, no pastor does. We all sin perpetually,

842
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.519
everyone in your church. They're all in sin perpetually. And

843
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:33.840
that pastor behind the pulpit, he's in perpetual sin. Now,

844
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.400
how do we process that reality? If the pastor is

845
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.719
in perpetual sin, You're like, well, you're in perpetual sin,

846
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:42.920
and that's okay, but you can't commit that sin because

847
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.239
now you're finished. Well, hey, you're in the pew. I

848
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.639
know you're all in perpetual sin. But now you've committed

849
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.559
this sin, so now we've got to do something. So

850
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.800
you can be in sin twenty four hours a day,

851
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:56.159
seven days a week, no.

852
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:57.800
Problem, no church discipline.

853
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:03.360
But if you commit this sin, now qualification, church discipline, excommunication,

854
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.039
public shame, public I don't know how we work that

855
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:12.440
out because it seems so subjective. You're already in perpetual sin.

856
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:14.039
But but but it's.

857
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:18.719
Okay, no, no, no, no, no, now it's over. Okay, Uh,

858
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:19.320
I'm sorry.

859
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.800
Throw throw you know, let's let's let's go after people

860
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.280
for this sin, all those other sins that we say

861
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.639
matters so much. We we have our list of mortal

862
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.079
and venial sins. And if you tell me we don't, well,

863
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:35.400
i'm sorry.

864
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.280
Facts prove otherwise. Thanks for listening, everyone, have a great day.

865
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.320
I'm sorry, I'm messed up. The word conspicuous. I'm sorry,

866
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:48.679
all right, I'm sorry. Okay, public public shame.

867
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.119
Okay, now trust me.

868
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.159
If you're gonna have publicly shame me, conspicuous is the

869
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.639
least of my problems. I got, I got far moors.

870
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:57.800
I can send you a list.

871
00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:58.360
Okay.

872
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.920
Remember I'm just a degenerate with a microphone. Thanks for listening,

873
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:02.599
God bless