Sept. 6, 2024
More Seed and Soil Discussion
We consider Matthew 13:1-23
We consider Matthew 13:1-23
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone.
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It is Friday, September sixth, twenty twenty four. It is
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currently three point fifty six pm Central Time, and I
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am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio
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located right here in Abilene, Texas. Well. Once again, the
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podcast has taken us somewhere and well has left me
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stranded for now. Maybe at some point later the podcast
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will come back by and pick me up, but for now,
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it's kind of just like, hey, it opened the door,
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pushed me out. This is where you're staying for a
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little while. Make the best of it. I'll be back
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in a little bit. Okay. I know I'm actually the
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one who's supposed to be driving the podcast, but sometimes
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the podcast is the one driving me, because I never
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intended that. Here we are at the end of a
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week and we're kind of of well, we're kind of
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stuck and well looking at a parable about the seed,
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the sower, the soils. Right, we've been looking at that,
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and I don't see us. I don't, at least I
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don't see me getting picked up and taken out of
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this area anytime. Hopefully maybe by the end of the weekend,
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I can have extracted myself. I can call for an extraction.
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You know, I need an extraction. Extraction point Okay, you
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go all military on you, but I need out of
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this situation now. Okay. But here we are, and well,
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I'm hoping you're finding it beneficial. I've given you some assignments.
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I hopefully you've been working on it. Hopefully you've been
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listening to some random sermons on Mark chapter four, the
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parable the seed, the sower, the soils. Of course, that
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same parable is mentioned in Matthew thirteen and some other passages.
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Hopefully you've been reading it. And remember, I believe, at
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least when it comes to Mark four, that maybe the
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key to Mark four is actually Mark chapter three. Hopefully
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you've been working on that. But just a little while ago,
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I look, I had headphones on, I was listening to music.
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And while I was listening to music, I happened to
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open up the sermon's two point oh app and I
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tapped on the feed tab and I'm like, wait, what
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is this? So the word I'm like, oh, you got
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to be this is a sermon that's just recently showed
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up in my feed. It's about the same parable, except
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this time I stead of using Mark four, they go
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to Matthew chapter thirteen. Okay, so then I'm like, okay,
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stop what I'm doing. I'm going to at least address
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this because I'm getting this feeling that when I arrive
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at church Sunday, I know we're working on Romans, and
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we need to be in Romans two to one looking
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at the there four there, and I know we need
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to continue to work on eschatology. But I'm having a
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strong feeling that the first hour Sunday may get hijacked
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and I may bring I may bring with me well
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this parable and all of the issues that we're trying
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to figure out. So I'm just gonna keep talking about it,
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almost in a way for maybe it's sermon prep, maybe
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it's just to help us. But we're gonna we're gonna
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obviously review this sermon and see if we get any answers.
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This is kind of where we are, so just kind
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of I'm gonna try to summarize this. This is the
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cliff notes to kind of get you all on the
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same page. All right, Are you ready? It all started
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because I wanted to get the most out of the
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study Bible that I've owned. It's been at the church,
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and I'm like, I'm going to get the most out
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of it. I'll open it up. Oh, here's an essay
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on how to read and study the Bible. Well, this
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will be fun. I'll just walk right through it. Right,
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we'll just walk right through the article. It'll be four
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five episodes. It'll be simple, it'll be easy, and we'll
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have it. We'll make it somewhat fun, entertaining, maybe interesting.
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Maybe we'll come up with a new Bible study method.
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Who knows right? Well, So I turn on the microphone.
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I introduced the article. We read the We read the
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first basically two paragra first maybe three four paragraph Everything's
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going really smooth. And then we get to the kind
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of the key thesis in this article. And the key
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thesis is when it comes to being an effectual Bible student,
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when it comes to being an effective Bible student, when
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it comes to actually getting out of something out of
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God's word. As a Bible reader and Bible student, you
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begin not with your mind, you begin with your heart.
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In other words, their idea is this, you can read
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your Bible, you can study your Bible. You can memorize
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your Bible, you can go to church, you can go
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to Bible study. You can listen to sermon after sermon
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after sermon, you can read, you can study, but it
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will be of no effect unless your heart is right.
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So what you have to do is get your heart right.
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Then Bible study will actually do something. But then it
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almost seems to imply that it's the Bible that helps
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fix your heart. Well, how can the Bible fix my
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heart if my heart has to be already be right
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before I read my Bible. So then it was a
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little confusing kind of circular reasoning, a little contradictory, and
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so that got us into well, what were they using
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to justify this approach while they were using Mark chapter four,
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verses three through twenty. So then we started digging into
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Mark chapter four, three through twenty. This concept I called
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in to question the concept. I'm already I don't think
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Mark chapter four has anything to do about telling me
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how to be in an effective Bible student. We're throwing
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that out. There's the other view that Mark chapter four
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in this parable, what it's really do is to show you,
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like all of this soil and this soil this soil
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represents certain kinds of people and they're not saved. Only
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one soil represents salvation, and that's the last one. This
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is really almost like a test of salvation approach, and
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we kind of call that into question. And we've just
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been working and working and working on it. So what
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we're gonna do is, I don't know what the approach
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is going to be, what we're about to hear, but
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we're gonna listen and see where it takes us, all right,
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and hopefully remember one of the I think it's the
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interesting thing of this podcast is whenever we kind of
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whenever the podcast in a sense takes me somewhere and
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knocks me out of the car and say this is
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where you're staying for a little while. I like the
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way kind of the discussion develops. Like sometimes it can
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be it can kind of be difficult, it can be
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all over the place. It may not be that polished,
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it may not be that produced, because typically you're hearing
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in real time me trying to process whatever we're trying
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to fix or resolve. And then slowly but surely it
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gets a little bit more clear, it gets a little
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bit more polished, and then hopefully by the end you're like, okay, wow,
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so we started here, we ended here. We've looked at
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every possible perspective and theory and interpretation, and now we
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know why these seem to work, these don't seem to work,
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and end up somewhere much more clearer than where we started. Now,
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that's my hope. A lot of times people don't focus
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on the end. They'll focus on, well, here you did this,
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or you stumbled hear you, and it's like, yeah, but
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can you just let the process work itself out? I
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think some people just think every you know, episode has
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to be this very polished and produced and perfect thing.
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But I like it to be more organic, raw and real,
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which then we kind of stumble together through. But you're
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supposed to be a part of the process. You're not
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supposed to be just passively, you know, spectating. You're supposed
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to be you know, not actively participating is how it
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should work, but it doesn't always do that. But are
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you ready? I don't know where this is going to go.
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I wish it was in Mark four because Mark four
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is really where I'm focusing. That's why I give you
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that assignment about Mark chapter three. But I think this
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could be beneficial for this reason. If we figure out
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that the interpretation to Mark four is dependent upon Mark
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chapter three. But if the same parable is told in
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Matthew chapter thirteen, if Matthew chapter twelve is radically different
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than Mark chapter three, well then that my theory would
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possibly fall apart. Right unless this parable was told at
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different times, and Matthew is taught saying Jesus spoke this
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parable at this time, and Mark is giving a different
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time when Jesus told it, well, then it's not going
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to matter, right, do you understand what I'm saying? If
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Mark three is the answer to Mark four, that really
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won't matter. That really won't matter because Matthew thirteen would
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be different and it's the same parable. Right, So unless
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it's Hey, Jesus told the parable and Mark four at
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this time and this context. So therefore that context helps
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you how you interpret it. But over in Matthew thirteen,
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when he told the parable, it was a different context,
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so that context would help determine the interpretation. So I'm
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starting to question now my Mark three hypotheses that I
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put forth. I'm starting to question it now because I
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did I wasn't giving it much thought about, well, how
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does it show up in the other passages? So still
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go ahead and work on it. I don't know what
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you're going to find, but we will see, all right,
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So we're just going to listen to this. It kinda
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I'm kind of disappointed because I really thought I was
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onto something with the Mark three thing. I really thought
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I was onto something. But if I'm looking at Matthew twelve, yeah,
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well does it work in Matthew twelve? Hmm? I wonder
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if it works in Matthew twelve. I don't know. I
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don't know. All right, Well, we're gonna go to Matthew
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thirteen and we will see, all right. I think typically
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when the parable is taught in Mark four or in
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Matthew thirteen, it just tends to be just focus on
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the parable, forget what comes before it. But I think
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maybe when Jesus tells a parable, is it possible that
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he tells a parable that there's something motivating the parable
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and it's something that comes before. I'm just I'm throwing
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out now questions, all right, I'm throwing out questions. So
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I just I just think, yeah, you can compare Mark
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three in Matthew twelve and see if there's a similarity
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somehow that would work and explaining Matthew thirteen and Mark
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chapter four. I know, now the situation's becoming a little
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bit more complicated. But see in my brain, was matt
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Mark three is the ant sir? It may be, I
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guess it can't even be the answer if well, the
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telling of the parable is the same in Matthew thirteen
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and Mark, for it's the exact same telling of it.
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They would have to be interpreted then based off what's
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it is the context? See the context there would be
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no context and we could really establish, right, we may
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need a harmony of the gospels here. I don't know,
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all right, something to consider. I know, I'm just talking
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it out in real time, but that's what we do.
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Are you ready?
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Here we go, Here we go. We're gonna go to this.
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The name of this let me see, let me find
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here it's called so the sword so or so, the
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sword so, the word so the word from First Baptist Church.
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What do we know here? First Baptist Church, and there's
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probably Wilmington, Delaware. First Baptist Church, Wilmington, Delaware. The name
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of the actual pastor is Sam Knickerbocker and it's an
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independent Baptist church, and I guess they had a special
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speaker in on eight twenty one, twenty four and they
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preached a sermon entitled So the Word. It's a guest speaker,
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guest preacher.
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And.
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Well, we're gonna listen to it. We're gonna listen to it,
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and we're gonna analyze it, critique it, and we're going
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to see how they approach the parable. All Right, I
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know I've kind of thrown out now kind of a
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whole harmoneutical can of worms. They're trying to figure this out,
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but we will, we will unpack it little by little.
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But so maybe this is going to be Maybe this
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is good because it's going to make me now question
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my great theory I was developing about Mark three is
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the answer Mark three is the answer to Mark four.
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But Mark three can't be the answer answer to Mark
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four because the parable is not just in Mark four,
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it's in Matthew thirteen. So unless Matthew twelve and Mark
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three are basically similar, then we have completely different context
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for the telling of the parable. So then does that
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mean it's the same telling of the parable? Or do
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we have different tellings of the parable? Those are questions
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we need to ask.
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All right.
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In the meantime, let's see what happens here we go.
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You have your Bibles with you this evening. Hopefully you do.
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You start turning over to Matthew chapter thirteen, if you would.
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In Matthew chapter thirteen, We're gonna look at a text
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here might be very familiar to some.
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I think he just put something in his mouth, some
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kind of like throat lodginger. I don't know what he did.
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He puts something in his mouth, Okay. I always hate
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when I do that at church. I always forget because
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