Oct. 17, 2024
More Axe Talk
More discussion about 2 Kings 6:1-7
More discussion about 2 Kings 6:1-7
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central.
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More Acts Talk, More as Talk.
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We're gonna talk about the axe Head, We're going to
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talk about the Floating Acts. We're gonna have more discussion
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about it.
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And if the last discussion about the.
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Acts was frustrating and irritating, I don't think things are
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going to get any better. But we have to have
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more acts talk, right, We have to, right, I mean,
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don't you agree? I hope you agree? Well, thank you
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for tuning in. It is Wednesday, October sixteenth, twenty twenty four.
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It is currently six fourteen pm Central Time, and I'm
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coming to you live from the Theology Central Headquarters, the
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Theology Central Studio, the Theology Central Axe Headquarters. I don't
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know well, I'm coming to you live from the Theology
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Central Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. And for
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full transparency, I do not own an axe, all right.
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I have I.
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Ever used an AX? Maybe?
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Maybe?
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I mean I've probably I've seen them. I probably have
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used it in some capacity for something, But by no
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means am I an AX expert.
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I am not. I know axe body spray. Remember that. Remember,
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but we're not talking about ax body spray.
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No, we're not. We're talking about a physical ax used
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to chop something down. That's what we're talking We're talking
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about the axe head and well losing it and it
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sinking in water and then it floats and then Okay,
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that's what we're talking about. And it has been very frustrating.
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I'm really trying to drive the point home. We're talking
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about an axehead. I'm really trying to drive that point home.
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And the reason I'm trying to drive that point home
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it appears when you listen to preaching about an axehead,
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an axehead is not really an axehead. An axehead, well,
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it's power, it's desire, it's fellowship, it's it represents supposedly
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a million other things than what it actually.
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I know the text says this an axe head, but.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, really it represents this,
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this and this. Well, how do you know it represents
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this and this and this Well, because the pastor tells
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you it represents this. Does he need any textual cross
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reference to prove it represents this? No, he just needs
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his own imagination and it magically it represents that. Even
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though there's no textual basis for claiming.
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So that's yeah, that's.
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What we are dealing with. So this all started earlier today.
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I just chose a random sermon. I noticed the.
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Title check your Your Axehead.
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Now, as soon as I saw check your axe Head,
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when I saw the words axehead, I knew it was
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going to take me to Second King's chapter six, the
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famous story about the axehead that sinks into the water
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and is you know then it floats. Okay, I know
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the text all right, and I'm like, okay, I got that.
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I know where that's going to meet it to lead.
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But as soon as I so axhead, I knew exactly
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I'm going to be in Second Kings chapter six. When
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I saw check your axead, I knew immediately this was
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going to turn into some kind of allegorical symbolic, spiritualized
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interpretation of Second King's chapter six. And immediately I'm like, well,
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we can use this to discuss hermeneutics, right, Well, hear
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how they argue for their spiritualized, allegorical symbolic interpretation, and
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then we can critique how they arrived at such an interpretation.
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But did we get any justification for their kind of illustrative, symbolic,
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allegorical approach.
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We got none. We just told this is what it.
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Means, and they didn't feel any need to justify it,
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to explain it, to show the textual basis for it.
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That's what it means.
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And then everyone listening, as we heard, was just saying amen, Amen, amen.
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And it was a little bit frustrating, and we and
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so I'm gonna read through Second Second Kings chapter six,
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verses one through seven. Remember there's only seven verses to
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this story, and from these seven verses have come hundreds
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of thousands, if not millions, of hours of preaching that
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I believe.
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Has nothing to do with the text. It's just, oh,
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it's just crazy.
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So we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna go back to
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the audio that we were reviewing. We're gonna skip ahead
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a little bit because there's a part I wanted to
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hear you if you listen to the last broadcast, you know,
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if not, I'll get you caught up.
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And then I have another.
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Message that has just shows randomly on Second King chapter six.
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We'll see if we can get into that and hear
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their hypotheses on the text. But what we're finding here
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is the handling of.
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This text seems to.
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How can I say this, Most of these churches that
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you will find, say on the sermon's two point oh
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app that are preaching on the floating axe head, all right,
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they would probably tell you that their hermeneutical system would
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be something like the historical grammatical method.
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We take things literally.
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There would be.
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Very adamant about not an allegorical approach. But when they
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get to the floating axe head, they seem to just
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throw out all of those hermaoneutical principles and it just
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goes into full blown symbolism. This represents this, This represents that,
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but they don't need a script justification for it, which
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can be a little maddening. So we're kind of stuck here, right.
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My desire today was not to get into Second Kings
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chapter six, verses one through seven talking about a floating
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axe head.
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But that's where we've ended up.
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And sometimes that can be wonderful, sometimes it can be maddening,
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but it is really the character of this podcast, right. Look,
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this podcast is simply the podcast of a center sitting
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in front of a microphone trying to live out his
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Christian life. One of the things I do to live
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out my Christian life is read.
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The Bible, study the Bible.
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Listen to sermons, listen to different Christian podcast lectures, things
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along those lines.
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And then I.
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See them as they're presenting their hypotheses on a text,
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and then I go and study the text to see
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whether I agree or disagree. And that's kind of what
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the Christian life is really about in many aspects. And
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I just kind of do it all live on the air.
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That's kind of really what if you really want to
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kind of explain what this podcast really is. It's just
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a center with a microphone trying to figure out the
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Christian life, and I just invite you to participate. You
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just kind of get brought into the study and you
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get to kind of see what's going on. It's like
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when the micro when when you get that notification that
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the Theology Central podcast is live, you just kind of like, oh, well,
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let's let's open the door and see what's going on
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in the study. Oh oh, he's he's looking at messages
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on Second Kings chapter six. Well, this will be interesting.
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Let's see where this goes. And I when I start out,
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I don't even know where it's going to go. I
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would have never thought that on Wednesday, October sixteenth, at
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six twenty one pm, I would be still thinking about
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a floating axe head. But here we are, and every
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day is kind of a it's kind of its own
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mini adventure. There.
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I guess that's again.
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I think in some ways I love that part of this.
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Sometimes it can be maddening because I never I didn't
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want to get into a discussion about floating axe heads.
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But here we are, and we had other things to cover.
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But here we are. So are you ready?
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Let's go back to the text itself. Second Kings, chapter six,
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verse one, and the sons of the prophets said, unto Elisha,
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behold now, the place where we dwell with THEE is
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too straight for us. It's too small. There's not enough room,
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there's not enough space. We need a bigger place.
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Let us go.
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We pray Thee unto Jordan, and take thence every man
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a beam, and let us make us a place where,
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make us a place there where we may dwell. And
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he answered, go ye. And one said, and one said,
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be content, I pray THEE and go with thy servants.
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And he answered, I will go pretty straightforward. There's no
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real controversy. Now, the controversies where people go through these
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texts and say, well, this represents this, and this represents this,
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and this represents this, and this represents this, and this
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represents this, and everyone in the congregation is like, wow.
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I've never seen that in the text.
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This is amazing. You know why you've never seen it
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in the text.
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It's not there.
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Okay, you'll never see things in the text that aren't there.
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And if you see things in the text that aren't there,
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that's not great preaching. That's not being a great Bible student.
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That's being a great fictional writer or a great fictional storyteller.
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All right, but I digress, all right, verse four. So
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he went with them, and when they came to the Jordan,
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they cut down wood verse five. But as one was
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felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water,
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and he cried and said, alas master, for it was borrowed. Now,
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once we get here, basically the way and the sermon
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that we reviewed earlier today, basically the idea of them
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working is that they're living out the Christian life. That's
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the work is living out the Christian you're living out
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the Christian life. But when you live out the Christian life,
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you begin to lose your passion, you lose your zeal.
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It just becomes routine. You become apathetic, you don't pay
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any attention. You may kind of get bothered by it,
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and it can have a negative impact on you, and
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so it becomes a negative thing. The next thing you know,
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you're not paying any attention because you're apathetic in your
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Christian life and you lose your axehead.
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What does the axhead represent?
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Well, according to the sermon we listen to, while it
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represented about seven hundred and fifty things. Okay, maybe that's
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a little hyperbole. It started with it represents your fellowship
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with God.
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Then it represented your work for God.
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Then it represented your effectiveness for your work for God.
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Then it represented your passion and your zeal. So it really,
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I don't we never really narrowed it down. It just
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kind of represented whatever the pastor wanted to say at
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any given moment, which was really frustrating because if it
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represents fifty things, how do you prove.
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That it represents any of it?
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Yes, instead of it representing an actual axe head that
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just actually fell in the water and he's actually bothered
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by it, it represents something spiritual, it becomes spiritualized. Now
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I'm not saying they would deny the historical that this
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is a historical narrative or the historical reality, but they
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just ignored the historical narrative. They just turned it into
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this weird spiritualized thing. Okay, so so it represents this.
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Now we listened to all of that, and I kept saying,
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but wait a minute. If it represents my fellowship with God,
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it's going to be very difficult to maintain that spiritual
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picture because what does he say, Well, hang on before
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we even get there. So according to the sermon, the
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axe so they're working for God. You become careless, you
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lose your act seat, and axead represents all of these things. Fellowship, passion, zeal, effectiveness, work,
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all of these things. And then this person cried out
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and said, and this represents confession. This is where you
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come to God and you confess I've lost my axehead
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and you are broken and you're contried, and this is
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like confessing your sin. I don't know where that is
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anywhere in the text, but that's where. And he took
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the word cry went to someone nineteen looked at random
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verses that had the word cry connected it to second
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King six. There's no textual basis in doing that, but
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that's okay, and so it creates a good sermon. And
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then I can't say, well, wait a minute. The last one, two, three,
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four words of verse five, the man cries out, not
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that I have sinned, not that I was complacent, not
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that I was apathetic, not that I was careless. He
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simply cries out, it was borrowed. So I'm like, well,
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wait a minute. If the axehead represents all of these things,
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then how do I understand it as being borrowed?
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My fellowship is borrowed.
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I'm borrowing fellowship, I'm borrowing passion, I'm borrowing effectiveness. Who
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am I borrowing it from? I'm borrowing it. Did I
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make a deal? Did I make an agreement that I come?
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Did I go to God and say I would like
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to borrow a little bit of fellowship? I would like
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to borrow.
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I just borrow it? Like, what does that even mean?
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