Oct. 8, 2024
Mental Assent vs Saving Faith Pt 2
Can we miss heaven by 14 inches?
Can we miss heaven by 14 inches?
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central? Who knew that
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you could end up with an entire series of podcast
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episodes as you try to figure out what is the
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difference in fourteen inches? Well, obviously the difference is fourteen inches,
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But how does fourteen inches make an internal difference? How
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does fourteen inches determine your destiny in either heaven or hell?
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Who knew that fourteen inches could become really a I
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don't know how many episodes can We don't know. I
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guess we could probably go a very long time, because
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it's a very important subject when you think about it.
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If fourteen inches determine if I'm going to spend eternity
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in heaven or spend an eternity burning in the Lake
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of fire, yeah, yeah, then I need to understand what
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is the difference in fourteen inches more than just well
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fourteen inches, because it seems to have an eternal difference,
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at least in the minds of some. So that's what
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we're going to be talking about. But before we do,
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let me say welcome everyone. It is Tuesday, October the eighth,
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twenty twenty four. It is currently two fifty two pm
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Central Time, and I am coming to you live from
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the Theology Central Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas.
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In Abilene, Texas, we've yet to receive the memo. We're
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yet to receive the notification that it's fall right someone,
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at least in Texas, we still think it's summer, okay,
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because it's like ninety degrees outside right now, and so
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it's going to get very hot here in the studio.
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So we need to see what we can accomplish now.
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Not only is it going to be hot here in
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the studio, I know a lot of people are going
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to get very hot under the call because they're going
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to strongly disagree with what we've been discussing. But let's
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just remind you this is not my fault, all right.
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Someone emailed me and asked me this question about what
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we refer to as mental ascent, salvation and mental ascent,
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and the idea went something along these lines that many pastors,
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many maybe even Christian podcasters broadcasters will say something along
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these lines, don't miss heaven by fourteen inches, and what
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they mean and they're kind of just using kind of
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an illustration is that hey, there is fourteen inches separating
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your mind from your heart, and if you just believe
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with your mind, you are not saved and you're going
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to go to hell. You've got to believe with your
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mind and you have to believe with your heart. You
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need both. If you only have one, it's a fragile
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at faith and you are not saved. So we've been
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trying to work on this. I told everyone it was
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going to be, you know, kind of tedious. It's gonna be.
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We're gonna be covering a lot of different issues. I
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don't think I've received an email back from the original emailer,
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so hopefully they have listened to part one and they'll
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they'll kind of tell me where they're still struggling or
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what they're trying to figure out, and we see if
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we can address it in a more specific way. But
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the way my approach was this is that let's kind
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of just start maybe from a biblical perspective. Let's try
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to just see what the Bible says. Does the Bible
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draw this major distinction between the mind and the heart,
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between mental assent versus some other kind of faith. And
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what we determined is I think it's very fair to
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say if we go to the Old Testament, if we
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take Hebrew thought in the Old Testament scriptures, it makes
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the mind and the heart synonymous. I think that's very
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fair to say. It views it as a synonymous thing,
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like as a man thinketh in his heart, that means
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the heart is the center of not only emotion, but will, thinking, thought, intellect.
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We would refer to that as the mind and many aspects.
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So the Old Testament seems to clearly it's and Hebrew
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thought it's synonymous. You don't have what the mind this
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and the heart this, and there's somehow a distinction between
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the mind and the heart. It's more grouped together. And
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when you start trying to divide this what we have
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seen over and over and over, and we've been dealing
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with this in a number of you know, in our
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other series. I'm kind of placing this with the other series.
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I may make this its own separate series, but they're
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very much linked together. Where we're talking about the secrets
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of the Christian life and why do Christians continue to
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send in a lot of that discussion, it's very much
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related because you get in there, you're like, wait a minute,
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do we have a new mind? Do we have a
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new heart, old heart, old mind. Well, this is more
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about okay, when you believe, right, are you sure you're
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make sure you're believe is in the right place, because
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if the belief is just in the mind, you go
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to hell. Well wait wait, but I believe, Yeah, but
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your belief is in the wrong place. It's got to
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go from the mind to the It's got to travel
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fourteen inches or you burn. I mean like just seems
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so like, oh, how do you draw that distinction. A
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person is sitting their way? Well, I think I believe,
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but maybe my belief is only in my mind, and inevitably,
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what does this turn into. It's not really about mental assent.
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It's not really even about that once again, it's about
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Christians trying to determine why Christians continue to sin. So
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we've always got Inevitably, what it comes down to is
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if you continue to sin and you commit big sins
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because your everyone's already living in perpetual sin. I mean,
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I stated all the time God tells you to be
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holy as He is holy, no one as holy as
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He is holy. Therefore you're in perpetual sin. Right, And
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I could add a lot more scriptures to show you
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your in perpetual sin. But the issue really well, you
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can be in perpetual sin, but you can't commit this
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sin because if you commit this sin, then we throw
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you out of everything because you're not really a Christian.
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This really just is not even really an issue about
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mental assent. It's really about who we can throw out
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of the Kingdom of God and determine who is saved
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or not saved. And already there's a problem with that
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because now we're determining salvation based on what we do
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or don't do, versus basing it on the finished work
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of Jesus Christ. So but we determined that the Old
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Testament scriptures, it doesn't have this weird separated now, you know,
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separated into these two. There's the mind, there's the heart.
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When we got to the New Testament, we acknowledge there
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are some scriptures that try to maybe offer some separation,
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but it's very nuanced, and there are clear scriptures that
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still once again links them together and sees it as
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a holistic a holistic unity. Right, that the heart contains
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the thoughts and the intents or the emotions or the will,
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but it's all within the heart. So what do we do.
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I mean, I guess we could go through every scripture
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in the entirety of the Bible and go, okay, wait
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a minute, guys, does this verse speak of heart and
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mind the same or do they separate it? I guess,
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I guess we could look up all the verses that
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uses the word heart, all the verses that use the
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word mind, and see. I think you'll I mean, if
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you want to do that, be my guess. I think
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I think you'll probably lose your mind. I may, I
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may do some work and see if I can find
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some kind of a summary. Maybe maybe we'll do that
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before this, I guess this is going to turn into
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a mini series is over so so. But from the
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biblical perspective, just from scripture, we don't have we don't
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even have the phrase mental assent. And I don't know
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if we can really cut someone into two parts and say, well,
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there's the mind, there's the heart, and the two are
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completely separate. So you, in a sense, can I don't
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know what do you do with your mind? You acknowledge
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with your mind that Jesus is the eternal so of
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God who died for your sins, But then your heart says,
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but I don't believe it. Well, if your mind accepts it,
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then isn't that a form of belief? If your mind
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knows it and your mind gives some assent to it,
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is that not faith? But some people say, well, faith
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needs really the knowledge, the assent, and the trust. I
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can't remember the three Latin phrases. I can't remember the
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three fiducia. I can't remember that there's three Latin phrases.
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Maybe we could get in I guess you could try
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to break it down that way. I think you just
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start drawing all of these distinctions, and at some point
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I think you just left with a confused mess. Right,
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if my mind says Jesus is the eternal son of God,
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he was sent by the Father, died for my sins, buried,
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raised the third day, ascended to the right hand of
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the Father. It's coming to judge the living and the dead.
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How can you say, well, your mind knows that, your
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mind gives assent to that, but it's not trusting in it.
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What is mind doing with it? Then? Well, it's got
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to get to the heart. Then the heart, see, well,
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then grab onto it and then and what is it
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inevitably going to come to we'll see when your heart
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grabs onto it, then there's going to be transformation. Because
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Christianity is obsessed with this concept that we're transformed, even
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though well we're not really transformeding we're transformed. We claim
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we're transformed, but then we admit we're not perfectly transformed. Well,
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then is that a partial transformation? Is that a twenty
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percent transformation? Thirty percent? And then and how is the
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transformation occurring? Is it occurring because of imputed righteousness? Well,
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imputed righteousness doesn't transform, It just transforms my position. And
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then we just get into all of these same issues.
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So we looked at a lot of things, and I
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could go back through a lot of it, break it
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down a little bit more. But what I want to
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do in this episode is what we had is it
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seems that a lot of the discussion about mental assent
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versus saving faith, well a lot of it centers on
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Jams two seventeen. Even so, faith, if it have not works,
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is dead being alone. And so what they seem to
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argue is that there's a faith that works, that's our
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saving faith, and a dead faith is just mental assent. Well,
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there's already all kinds of problems with us. But let
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me just remind you that this idea that even so faith,
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if it hath not works, is dead. Remember, there is
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not agreement in two thousand years of church history of
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exactly what that dead means. Some people means, well, your
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faith is dead. Basically, well, it's not doing anything. It's
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not doing it. Maybe it's saving faith. In other words,
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positionally your faith has saved you. You're declared righteous by
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faith alone, you're declared purpose perfect. But practically your faith
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is dead from doing anything. It's not loving anyone, it's
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not helping anyone. So it's dead from a practical perspective.
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This is not necessarily saying it's dead from a position
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ditional standpoint, right. And we talked about that in the
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last hour and are the last hour long broadcast that
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we did wasn't an hour ago, but whenever, it was
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a little over an hour ago. So so we looked
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at that we can do some more work on that.
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But at the very end of the last broadcast I
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mentioned James two nineteen because some of the things I
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was referencing reference to James to nineteen Thou believest that
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there is one God, thou doest well the devils also
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believe and tremble. The devils also believe and tremble. The
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devils also believe and tremble. So now the idea is okay, wait, okay,
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mental assent therefore equals the faith of demons, because demons
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just have mental assent, but they don't believe in their heart.
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This is kind of it kind of used to to
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try to justify this or look at this, and I'm like,
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wait a minute, wait a minute, I think we got
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a major issue going on here. I don't think that
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this verse. Just please note James two seventeen and James
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two nineteen never mentioned mental assent or tries to draw
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some distinction. We're trying to draw these distinctions, right, So,
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how do we understand thou believest that there is one God,
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Thou'll do us well? The devil's also believe in trimble.
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How do we understand this? Well, let's look at this
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in this context of trying to draw this distinction. Using
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James two nineteen to basically draw a distinction between mental
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assent and saving faith is very problematic. And I'm not
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the only one drawing that distinction. All right, And here's
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some ideas. Let's first look at the context of James
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two nineteen. James two nineteen states you believe that that
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God is one, and you do well. Even the demons
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believe and shudder. The verse is often cited to argue
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that mental assent to truth, believing that God exists or
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that He is one, is not enough for salvation, since
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even demons acknowledge this truth without being saved. However, this
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interpretation has potential weaknesses when applied to human beings. Now, immediately,
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we just have to know we're dealing with two completely
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different categories. Here's demons, here's humans. There's going to be
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some clear distinctions here, all right. Here are some possible
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reasons why there's problems or potential weaknesses. The text itself
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specifically references that to the belief in the oneness of God.
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This is very important, all right. This is specifically referencing
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the belief in one God. I cannot express to you
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how that's like your textual cue. That's your hermoneutical key.
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All right. You believe that God is one, which was
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a core tenet of Jewish monotheism, all right, which comes
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from Deuteronomy six ' four. Here O Israel, the Lord,
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our God, the Lord is one. This is a statement
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