Oct. 23, 2024

Isaiah 43: The Holy Spirit

Isaiah 43: The Holy Spirit

A discussion about Isaiah 43 and bible interpretation

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A discussion about Isaiah 43 and bible interpretation

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. All right, ladies

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and gentlemen, I need you to get your stopwatch, your timer.

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You need your timer, You need your stopwatch, because once

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again we are going to time. How long does it

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take before a pastor inserts us into Isaiah chapter forty three?

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How long does it take for a.

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Pastor to insert us into Isaiah forty three? And today

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we're going to have a world record. This is going

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to go so fast that you're going to be like,

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WHOA this person should go to the Olympics. No one

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can beat this time. We're about to have a world

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record happen. All right, But before we start the timer,

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before we start that, I guess I do need to

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go ahead and tell you well, welcome everyone. It is Wednesday,

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October the twenty third, twenty twenty four. It is currently

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nine forty eight am Central time, and I am coming

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to you live from the Theology Central studio located right

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here in Abilene, Texas, where, if I'm being honest with you,

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what we are about to do is more to just

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satisfy my own curiosity. Because here's what happened, I don't know,

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three four in the morning. Somewhere around that time. I'm like, well,

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we did it. We did a pretty good study on

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Isaiah forty three. I think I think we did pretty good.

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I think we did pretty good with Isaiah forty three

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what we did yesterday. So I was pretty happy with

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what we did. And so I thought, well, you know, again,

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it was around three or four in the morning, I thought, well,

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maybe maybe I should do a little bit more work

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on Isaiah forty three. So I started doing a little

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bit of work on verse three because I think we

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did it pretty good on verse one and two, and

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kind of do verse three to seven, just seeing maybe

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how I could break this down, what I could do

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with it. And so I was just kind of thinking

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about that, you know, kind of awake, not awake kind

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of thing. I just started, you know, looking and see

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what I could come up with. And I'm like, you

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know what, just stop this, just stop this for now.

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It's you know, it's like four in the morning. I

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know what I'll do. I'll look up another sermon on

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Isaiah forty.

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Three and just hit play.

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Well before I could even hit play, I was like,

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you gotta be kidding me. You gotta be kidding me.

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This is a world record. So I hope you have

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your timer. I hope you have your timer. I hope

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you have your stopwatch, because I want you to determine

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how quick it takes for this pastor to insert us

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into Isaiah forty three.

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Are you ready? Okay? Are you ready? Get your timer ready,

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get your stop watch ready? Okay? Are you ready?

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I'm going to read the title of the sermon.

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Are you ready? Okay? Here we go. Are your mark?

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Get set go? The Work of the Holy Spirit and

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the Believer. Stop.

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Yeah, it's like zero seconds. The title of the sermon.

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The text for the sermon is Isaiah forty three, verses

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one through seven. But the title of the sermon is

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the work of the Holy Spirit and the Believer.

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What what?

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As soon as I saw the title, I'm like, okay, well,

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this breaks the record. We don't even have to hit play.

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We've already been inserted in the title.

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Again.

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Let me let me read the title to you again.

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I'm just baffled by this. The work of the Holy

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Spirit in the believer. So what I did is I

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at least hit play, And I'm like, oh, he's actually

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reading from Isaiah forty three.

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What in the world, So we're gonna have to listen

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at least to hear. I mean, I'm gonna let me

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just read Isaiah forty three one through seven. Let me

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just read it.

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Are you ready, Isaiah four three one through seven. But

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now thus saith the Lord that created THEE, oh Jacob,

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and he that formed THEE, O Israel. Fear not, For

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I have redeemed THEE. I have called THEE by thy name.

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Thou art mine. Of course, obviously this is Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel.

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When thou, that's obviously the Israel, pass it through the water,

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I will be with THEE and the and through the rivers,

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they shall not overflow THEE. When thou walkest through the fire,

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thou shalt not be burned. Neither shall neither shall the

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flame kindle upon THEE. Obviously Israel Israel Israel. We worked

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through all of these verses yesterday. We saw how we

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can relate to this in a certain way as Christians.

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But we made it absolutely clear that the text is

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about Israel.

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Verse three.

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For I am the Lord, thy God, the Holy One

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of Israel, thy Savior. I gave Egypt for thy ransom

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Ethiopia and Siba for THEE. Since thou wast pressed in

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my sight, thou hast been honorable, and I have loved THEE.

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Therefore will I give men for THEE and people for

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thy life. Fear not, for I am with THEE. I

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will bring thy seed from the west, and gather THEE

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from from the east, and will gather THEE from the west.

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I will say to the north, give up to the south,

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keep not back, Bring my sons from afar, my daughters,

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from the ends of the earth, even everyone that is

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called by my name. For I have created him for

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my glory. I have formed him.

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Yea, I have made him.

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Now.

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I don't know where the Holy Spirit shows up in

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those seven verses. I have no idea. But okay, they

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also have.

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Forty three starting in verse twenty two.

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Wait, this is weird. Oh just oh, so forty three

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twenty two all the way into chapter forty four.

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All right, so we'll see what they do with that.

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But the very first passage they have listed here is

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forty three one through seven, which is what we've been discussing.

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And some supposedly this is about the work of the

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Holy Spirit and the believer, So I don't know what's

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going to happen here. I'm look, I'm just curious. I mean, well,

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I don't know if you're curious. I'm curious because we've

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been talking about how quickly are we inserted into the text.

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Remember I told you just start using a timer and

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stop watch for every sermon you listen to. Well, this one,

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we didn't even need to start the timer.

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Did we.

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It's in the title. We've been inserted in the title.

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So are you ready to find out how we have

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been inserting, how the Holy Spirit has been inserted, How

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all of this has been inserted in Isaiah forty three.

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I'm curious. I'm very curious. Now I see the name

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of the series, and I'm even more intrigued because this

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seems to be a part of a series on the

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Heidelberg Catechism. Now I'm a little bit intrigued by that

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because I'm pretty familiar with the Heidelberg Catechism. I've taught

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not through a good portion of the Heidelberg Catechism, so

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I'm a very kind of like, hm, the Heidelberg Catechism.

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I'm assuming this is on the question of dealing with

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the Holy Spirit. Or questions. I think I'm familiar with that,

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but the text is Isaiah forty three. And then I

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was like, well, which version of the Catechism did I

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miss this? Reference? Did I miss this? And so maybe

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I've missed something. I was going to go start looking

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things up and doing a little bit of research, but

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I decided, no, I'm just going to go into this

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somewhat blind and just see what happens, because I'm just curious.

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All right, So here we go.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the work of the Holy Spirit and

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the believer. The text for the sermon is Isaiah forty

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three one through seven and forty three. It looks like

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on forty three twenty two to chapter forty four, verse five.

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All right, so we could read a little bit of this,

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but we'll just let them.

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We'll just see what they do with that, and if

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we need to, we'll go read the forty three twenty

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two to forty four five in a minute and just see.

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So but are you ready?

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Here we go, thinking caps on hermeneutical principles at hand.

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Here we goy of Isaiah chapter forty three, and we'll

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read the verses one through seven, and then we'll jump

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to chapter twenty two, or rather to verse twenty two

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reading to chapter forty four, verse five. I would love

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to read all these verses, but it's a rather long passage,

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and so I've cut it down as much as I can.

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Isaiah forty three.

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Of course I was you know, I know.

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Again it was you know, around four in the morning,

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so you know, be fair, you know, to be fair.

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Maybe my thinking wasn't the most clear, but I just

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know that I was thinking, wait, this literally the name

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of this sermon is the work of the Holy Spirit

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and the believer, and he's literally going to actually use

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Isaiah forty three.

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As the text.

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And so I'm like this, So not only are we inserted,

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the Holy Spirit's inserted.

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And not only is the Holy.

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Spirit inserted, it's the Holy Spirit inserted into the text. Well,

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we're inserted into the text. And then it's the Holy

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Spirit doing something in us, not doing something in Israel.

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This is so I'm already just like what is happening?

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But you know what, you can't judge a book by

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its cover, and then what we were told, so you

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can't judge a sermon by its title.

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Right, I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

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Right, we have to actually listen, so let's not make

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any judgments. Let's be very positive, Let's not be negative,

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Let's not be cynical, because this can only get better.

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Right here we.

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Go the verses one through seven. Hear the word of God.

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But now, thus says the Lord who created you, O Jacob,

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and he who formed you, O Israel. Fear not, for

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I have redeemed you. I have called you by your name.

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You are mine.

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When you pass through the waters, I will be with you,

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and through the rivers they shall not overflow you. When

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you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned,

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nor shall the flames scorch you. For I am the Lord,

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your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I

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gave Egypt for your ransom, Ethiopia and Siba in your place.

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Since you were precious in my sight. You have been honored,

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and I have loved you. Therefore I will give men

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for you and people for your life. Fear not, for

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I am with you. I will bring your descendants from

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the east and gather you from the west. I will

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say to the north, give them up, and to the south,

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do not keep them back. Bring my sons from Afar

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and my daughters, from the ends of the earth, everyone

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who was called by my name, whom I have created

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for my glory. I have formed him. Yes, I have

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made him.

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Now he did a much better job reading the text

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than I did. I was reading it too quickly, just

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blowing past, you know, punctuation, all the horrible ways in

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which I do public reading. Okay, but but he did.

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He read it much better. But even after him reading

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it in a much better way, I'm still baffled and

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how I've been inserted into this text and the Holy

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Spirit's ben inserted in this text. So maybe, just maybe

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the next section is going to clarify and we're going

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to be like, well, there's the answer, all right, So

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are you ready? So now turn your Bibles to Isaiah

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forty three, verse twenty two.

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Are you ready?

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Now, just listen carefully to the words. Listen careful, remember

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the context, remember the historical context, the textual context. Let's

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remember everything, and let's see if we are about to

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find the Holy Spirit and find us.

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Here we go.

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And now we jumped down verse twenty two. But you

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have not called upon meo Jacob, and you have been

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weary of Meo Israel.

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All right, stop right there.

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First, very important clue is this section begins once again

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with naming who he's referring to. But thou hast not

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called upon me, oh Jacob, but thou hast been weary

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of me, oh Israel or Israel. So okay, clearly we're

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still talking about Israel, and it's still going from Jacob

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to Israel, right basically from their origin to the you

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know everything, God forming them, naming them everything. Okay, so

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we still have them very I mean, this is what

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it's about, right, I mean, I don't think we have

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some major change here. But let's see that that's only

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verse twenty two. We still were going to go all

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the way to chapter forty four, verse five. So let's

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be patient. Let me again, let's be positive. Let's expect

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this to only get better.

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Here we go.

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You have not brought me the sheep for your burnt offerings,

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nor have you honored me with your sacrifices. I have

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not caused you to serve with grain offerings, or wearied

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you with incense. You have bought me no sweet cane

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with money, nor have you satisfied me with the fat

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of your sacrifices. But you have burdened me with your sins.

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You have wearied me with your iniquities. I even I

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am he who blots out your transgressions for my own namesake,

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and I will not remember your sins. Put me in remembrance.

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Let us contend together state your case that you may

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be acquitted. Your first father sinned, and your mediators have

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transgressed against me. Therefore I will profane the princes of

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the Sanctuary. I will give Jacob to the curse and

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Israel to reproaches.

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Okay, so we finished chapter forty three. Still know me,

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A lot of them, A lot of they, Okay, a

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lot of Jacob in Israel. That's what I don't see.

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The Holy Spirit, I don't see me. Look, I am

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a little bit perplexed. I think I'm going from curious

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to a little bit perplexed now. Right, So we've knocked

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out all of Isaiah forty three. And know, I mean,

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to be fair, I already knew it wasn't in Isaiah

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forty three. I knew that, right, because I'd already been

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working on Isaiah forty three. I've already looked at the

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I mean, I've done a lot of work on Isaiah

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forty three, and I have plenty of notes ready to

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go to do more study on the Isaia on Isaiah

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forty three. So I was already pretty much sure that

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I wasn't.

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I hadn't missed anything.

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Now maybe now I haven't done it much work on

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Isaiah forty four, not recently, so I could have missed

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something in Isaiah forty four. All right, So let's see

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if I miss something in Isaiah forty four that would

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get us to a sermon title about the Holy Spirit's

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work and well us when it's about God speaking to

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all right, all right, let's see where we can go here, right,

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here we go.

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Now we go to chapter forty four.

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Look, look, look, look, look, stop being negative, stop being cynical.

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We're going to be positive, ladies and gentlemen, We're gonna

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be positive.

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We know this is going to work. All right? Are

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you ready? Here we go.

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Yet? Hear me? Now?

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Oh, Jacob, my servant and Israel, whom I have chosen.

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Okay, all right, maybe maybe maybe maybe are My positivity

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is starting to slip just a little bit because now

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we're now we're in chapter forty four, verse one, and

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what do we have right from the star.

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Yet now here, Oh Jacob, my servant, and Israel, whom

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I have chosen. Look, I do not know how an

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author can do more to make.

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It very clear who a passage is about. I don't know.

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But for some weird reason, the author can can basically

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bend over backwards to say this is about Israel. And

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yet preachers come in and go no, no, no, no,

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no no, this says about us. Remember the phrase I

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been using narcissistic textual hijackers. I'm not saying this guy's

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about the hijack the text. But I'm getting nervous now,

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and I'm just gonna be honest with you that sense

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of positivity, because now we only have four verses to go.

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We have four verses to go, and somehow in four verses,

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the Holy Spirit and you and I have to be

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inserted if the sermon title is even even remotely accurate

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describing what the sermon is about. But I could be

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maybe the sermon title is just an error. Maybe maybe

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that's the explanation.

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I don't know.

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Here we go, thus says the Lord who made you,

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informed you from the womb, who will help you fear

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not o Jacob my servant, and you j Justssuran, whom

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I have chosen for. I will pour water on him

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who is thirsty and floods on the dry ground. I

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will pour my spirit on your descendants, and my blessing

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on your offspring.

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Okay, so finally we have the Holy Spirit all right now?

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But notice I will pour my spirit upon thy seed

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and my blessing upon thine offspring.

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Who is thy seed? And thine offspring.

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Who is that?

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Is this a promise to Israel, to the nation of Israel,

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that there is coming a time that I'm going to

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do this for Israel. Now, if we attach this to

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Ezekiel thirty six, I think we get somewhere right, because

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God promises in Ezekiel thirty six that there is a

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coming time for Israel. Because once again God stresses Israel

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over and over and over, there is coming a time

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Israel where I Am going to give you a new heart.

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I'm going to give you a new spirit, and then

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you'll go into the land. Is this a promise for

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Israel's ultimate descendants that they will get all the promises

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that God has made? Or do we step in and

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go no, no, no, Israel, This is not your actual

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this is not your physical offspring, this is not your

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your physical descendants. Somehow this is your quote unquote spiritual descendants,

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which then we get to step in and.

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Go, oh, this is us? Is that how this is.

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Going to work? Now I'm getting a fill for how

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we've been inserted. Now I see how the Holy Spirit's

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been inserted. Let's see what happens.

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They will spring up among the grass like willows by

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the water courses. One will say I am the Lord's

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Another will call himself by the name of Jacob. Another

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will write with his hand Lords and name himself by

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the name of Israel.

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So far the word of the Lord.

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Aber Catechism to Lord's Day twenty and you could find

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this in the back of your assaulter on page forty eight.

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What do you believe concerning the Holy Spirit? First that

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he is true and co eternal God with the Father

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and the Son. Secondly, that he has also given me

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to comfort me by a true faith part to come

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I'm sorry. Secondly, that he has also given me to

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make me by a true faith partaker of Christ and

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all his benefits, that he may comfort me and abide

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with me forever. Last time, we reflected on the first

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part of this question and answer, but the person of

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the Holy Spirit, and this afternoon, with God's help, we

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want to reflect on the second part of this answer.

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That He has also given me to make me by

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a true faith partaker of Christ and all his benefits,

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that he may comfort me and abide with me forever.

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Okay, so we so he goes from Isaiah forty three

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All right, we do have the Spirit mentioned somehow.

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Now he goes from there to the Heidelberg Catechism, which

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is Lord's Day twenty or question and answer fifty three.

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Here is the question, what do you believe concerning the

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Holy Spirit?

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Answer?

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First, that the Holy Spirit, with the Father and Son,

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is eternal God. Second that the Spirit is given also

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to me, so that through true faith he makes me

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share in Christ and all his benefits, comforts me, and

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will remain with me forever. Now there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

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eleven passages of scripture offered as supporting evidence for this

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question and answer. What you will discover is Isaiah forty

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three is nowhere to be found at least in the

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addition of the Heidelberd Catechism that I currently have in

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my hands.

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So I'm a little perplexed.

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And how Isaiah forty three is going to come into

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play here?

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Right?

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And please note though the question.

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And answer, it's about us? So how do we go

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to Isaiah forty three, which is clearly about Israel?

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I mean? How many different ways do I have to

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demonstrate this? Right?

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I mean just a basic normal reading of the text? Now, Yes,

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when we get to forty four five or forty four, Yeah,

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about forty four three and forty four five, we can say, okay, maybe, okay,

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could we possibly do something with this? But even then,

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the first thing we would have to do.

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Look, even if we're gonna go to forty four, if.

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We're just gonna skip through forty three, even if we

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go to chapter forty four, the big text begins yet

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now here, Oh Jacob, my servant, and Israel, whom I

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have chosen.

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So the first hermoneutical.

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Question would be, how does forty four and these promises

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being given here? How does it have to do with

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the nation of Israel? Because that's who's being spoken of here,

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all right, So that would be the first hermeneutical test

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is how does this deal with Israel.

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Let's see how this sermon deals with it. We will see,

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all right, we will.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna try to remain somewhat positive because

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at least the Holy Spirit is mentioned. I was getting

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nervous there for a minute. But at least the Holy

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Spirit is mentioned, and it talks about descendants and offspring.

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Could I could see where someone would try to insert

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ourselfs in here, But.

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I'm just gonna be I'm going to be patient. I'm

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going to be patient.

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I'm not as optimistic and as positive as I was,

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but I'm not going to be cynical. And I'm just

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going to be patient and see how this plays out.

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With the Lord bless the reading and preaching of His word,

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but of a congregation. We are this afternoon in the

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process of making our way through Lord's Day. Twenty of

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our Hylibur categism, the question is asked about.

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The Holy Spirit.

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What do you believe about the Holy Spirit? And the

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answer is that he is true and coeternal God with

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the Father and the Son. And secondly that he has

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also given me to make me by a true faith,

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partaker of Christ and all his benefits, that He may

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comfort me and abide with me forever. As I said

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a few moments ago, the first part of this Lord's

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Day with the person of the Holy Spirit that was

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the subject of the sermon last week. At that time,

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we learned that the Holy Spirit is not as some

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have taught and still do teach.

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He is not an.

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Impersonal force or energy. Rather, he is a divine person

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within the Holy Trinity, coequal, co eternal, co essential with

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the Father and the Son. And when we say that

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he is a person, we mean that he is an independent,

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intelligent individuality, or as theologian sometimes say, subsistence within the Godhead.

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He possesses a will, he possesses desires, and he even

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has feelings. He can be grieved. We talked about that

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last week. We learned that as a divine person, he

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proceeds from both the Father and the Son. It's one

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of the differences between the Roman Catholic and also Protestant

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churches and the Orthodox churches. The Orthodox churches believe that

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the Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father. But we

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believe he proceeds from the Father and the Son, and

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that has all kinds of implications that I won't get

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into right now.

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Even though he.

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Proceeds from both the Father and the son, he's not

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subordinate to the Father or the son. He is as

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I said, he's co equal, He's coeternal Coe sens.

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Now, this is all great stuff, great theology showing the

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distinction between the East and the West and theology.

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Okay, great, this is awesome.

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We would be in agreement with everything we would obviously,

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I would be in agreement with this question and answer

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from the Heidelberg Catechism.

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So everything here is complete, total agreement.

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I'm just what I'm and what we're listening to find

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out is where does Isaiah forty three come into play here?

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How in the world is Isaiah forty three here?

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That's where I'm This is more of a hermeneutical issue.

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From a philological standpoint, I'm like, yeah, this is good.

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This is solid.

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This is not saying crazy things about the Holy Spirit

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are destroying the doctrine of the Trinity. This is great,

477
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.319
solid theology. I would recommend this. This is awesome, this

478
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.079
is wonderful, this is great. It's coming from a catechism.

479
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.440
I always love catechisms. So everything here is wonderful and great.

480
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.559
I'm just okay, where is Isaiah? So come on, get

481
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.319
to Isaiah. That's what I want to hear. Let's see

482
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:41.359
what's getting ready to happen.

483
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.720
Sure with the first two persons of the Trinity. So

484
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the first part deals with the person of the Holy Spirit.

485
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.240
Now the second part of this answer concerns the work

486
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of the Holy Spirit, specifically the work of the Holy

487
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Spirit in the heart and life of the believer.

488
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:05.279
Okay, so now he's We're going to move to the

489
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second part of the question and Answer of Lord's Day

490
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twenty of the Heidelberg Catechism, and it's going to get

491
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to the work of the Holy.

492
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.400
Spirit in the believer. Now, just not immediately.

493
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.480
You know where the focus is. The focus is on us,

494
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.000
but the text is in a passage where the focus

495
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.960
is not us. So how are we going to get

496
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:30.119
a a thiological discussion about us and get that inserted

497
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.480
into a text that's not about us. That's where I'm baffled.

498
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:39.799
That's where I'm I'm still curious. I'm I'm not optimistic,

499
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:45.279
but I'm patiently kind of hopeful. Maybe I'm getting a

500
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.359
little nervous here.

501
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:47.119
But we will see.

502
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.880
We will see, and what we have here is a

503
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summary of what the belie, what the Holy Spirit does

504
00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:02.599
for his people. The prophet Isaiah propheside of this many

505
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.880
hundreds of years ago in the passage of scripture that

506
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we read together from Isaiah forty three and the first

507
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part of forty four. These words of our scripture reading

508
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:20.319
were addressed to the future exiles of Judah in Babylon.

509
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The captivity had not had taken place. Isaiah lived abut

510
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one hundred fifty years before the captivity. But he's anticipating,

511
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as God had revealed to him, that one day the

512
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Babylonians would come and they would take the people of

513
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Judah and they would be in captivity in Babylon.

514
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Okay, all right, so he is mentioning the historical context.

515
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That is great. Okay, Oh now I'm getting a little hopeful.

516
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.079
I guess. Well, I'm getting hopeful.

517
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.559
But I'm even maybe as my hope is increasing, my

518
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:58.200
confusion is increasing because he's even acknowledging this is about Israel,

519
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It's about exile, Babylonian captivity.

520
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.720
So so how are we going to get here? How

521
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.240
are we going to get here? Anybody got an idea?

522
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.759
Anybody got any Now, if we were in Hermoneuticts class, right,

523
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.599
I would be like, okay, all right, class. How how

524
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.880
is he going to get us in the text? How

525
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:21.480
is he going to get us out? How is he

526
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.319
going to get this to the Holy Spirit's work and us?

527
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.880
How is he going to get there? Does anybody have

528
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:31.599
a guess? I'm just I'm just throwing it out there

529
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.319
because I want you to be answering it out loud.

530
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.279
I have an idea, I have an idea of how

531
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.880
it may happen. I'm going to be very obviously probably

532
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:46.920
opposed to it. But let's let him put forth his

533
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.880
own hypotheses, his own theory. And again, I call this

534
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.720
is my I'll throw this in there. Now, I'll throw

535
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.519
this in now. I've become more and more convinced that

536
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:03.000
every interpretation, every interpretation, is nothing more than a hypothesis.

537
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.359
It's just an educated guess because obviously no one can

538
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.359
be sure, since no one can agree on literally any

539
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:15.079
interpretation on anything right, Literally no one can right.

540
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So it's just speculation at best.

541
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And I know people say, no, it's certain, it's the

542
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.720
word of God may be certain, but our interpretation clearly

543
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.240
is not certain because nobody has agreed on anything for

544
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:27.160
two thousand years.

545
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.799
I mean, he even demonstrated right here there is disagreement.

546
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.240
Does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father alone, or

547
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.880
does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father and the Son.

548
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.359
There's a division between the East and the West. And

549
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.960
we can go on and on and on and on

550
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:41.559
and on and on.

551
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He even mentioned how some people believe the Holy Spirit,

552
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.119
they say it more as an impersonal force than a person.

553
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.240
Because there's these differences in these arguments, and these debates

554
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:56.400
have never ended. So but that's okay, he's gonna put

555
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.240
forth on hypothesis. I'll put forth my hypothesis and then

556
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:00.599
guess what.

557
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:01.920
This is the way it works.

558
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.720
Every individual just gets to decide which one they want

559
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:06.920
to go with. Really, that's ultimately the way it works.

560
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:08.680
You decide the one you want to go with. You

561
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:10.400
find the church that agrees with the way you want

562
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:10.880
to go with it.

563
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:11.400
Basically.

564
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.480
But now I'm getting to see my cynicism starting to

565
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.519
creep in, right. Oh, there's that negativity. All right, stop

566
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.599
it stop it, stop it stop it be positive because

567
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.759
at least so far we've got good theology and we

568
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:29.039
have an acknowledgment of the historical and textual context. That's

569
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.759
more than we can typically, that's more than what we

570
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:35.200
have seen recently. So I am going to take positive

571
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.319
from this, but I'm still curious and how we're going

572
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.400
to be inserted here.

573
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So here we go, and that's where they would remain

574
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for some seventy years. And then he tells them in

575
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this chapter, actually in the whole third section of Isaiah's

576
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.400
prophecy from chapter forty onwards, but including this chapter, he

577
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encourages them not to despair. This is a word of comfort.

578
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.519
Remember how Isaia forty begins comfort, Comfort you, my people,

579
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.519
So this is also a word of comfort. He reminds

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00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.799
them here that he is their God and that will

581
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.400
not change no matter how many times they sin against him,

582
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.079
no matter how many times he punishes them, he will

583
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.799
remain their God, and as their God, he would one

584
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.359
day bring them back to the promised land.

585
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:25.559
Oh that's good stuff.

586
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.599
No matter how much they sin, no matter how much

587
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.559
chastisement comes upon them, he will be their God.

588
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.559
He will be faithful, and he will keep.

589
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.720
His covenant promise to them. And that's why we believe

590
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.519
God has to ultimately fulfill all the promises he made

591
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.079
to Israel, because it's about God's faithfulness.

592
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.000
It's about God's.

593
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:52.960
Promises, right, and that gives us assurance of God's promises

594
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:57.200
and faithfulness to us. All right, So all right, this

595
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:02.519
is good stuff. This is good stuff, all right, I mean, dah,

596
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:06.759
this is much better than I thought. I'm still very worried,

597
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:11.039
but so I don't know. It's again, the more I hear,

598
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.480
the more I can applaud, But the more than confused

599
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:18.119
I become, like, because somewhere there's gotta be a hard

600
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.039
turn coming up. Right Right now, we're just cruising down

601
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.240
the highway. We got the windows down, the music is blaring.

602
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.160
Life is good, everything is and I'm just waiting for

603
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.680
the and the car is gonna go. It's gonna flip

604
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:33.039
fifteen times, That's what I'm waiting for. Maybe I'm wrong,

605
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:35.759
Maybe I'm wrong, just sligh back, got the windows.

606
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.960
Down, the breeze blowing through my hair. Okay, the music

607
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.039
is going. Oh, I've got something to drink. All this

608
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:42.960
What a great day.

609
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.200
The temperature is perfect, it's awesome, right, But at some

610
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.880
point there's gotta be a hard turn, right, don't you think.

611
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.200
If every Bible's open, you can see that. In Isaiah

612
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.200
forty three, verses five to seven, God says, fear not,

613
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.559
for I am with you. I will bring your descendants

614
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.599
from the east and gather you from the west. I

615
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.440
will say to the north, give them up, and to

616
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.360
the south, do not keep them back. Bring my sons

617
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.920
from Afar, and my daughters from the ends of the earth.

618
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.719
Everyone who is called by my name, whom I have

619
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.400
created for my glory. God's gonna call his people back.

620
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.480
They're going to settle in the land, and they're gonna

621
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.280
rebuild the temple. They're gonna rebuild the city of Jerusalem,

622
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.679
and God will continue to be their god, and they

623
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.960
will continue to be his people.

624
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.239
And when all this happens, God's going to do something amazing.

625
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.760
He tells us what that is in Chapter forty four

626
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.079
versus Chapter forty five, rather verses three and four.

627
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.960
He says, I will pour water on him who is thirsty, And.

628
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.960
That's forty four I think he said forty five forty

629
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.159
four three, right, I will pour water upon him that

630
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.880
is thirsty and floods upon the dry ground. I will

631
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.880
pour my spirit upon thy sea. Am I blessing upon

632
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.880
that offspring. So this is obviously where we're going to

633
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.119
get placed into the text.

634
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:08.519
Clearly. Now, I would argue from a.

635
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:14.519
Perspective of eschatology or just a perspective of Biblical interpretation,

636
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.320
when they come back from exile from Babylonian captivity, does

637
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:29.199
that fulfill all these promises or is it only a picture,

638
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:33.920
a small picture of what God will ultimately do, Because

639
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.159
I think when we read about some of the promises,

640
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.320
they were not clearly fulfilled when they came back from

641
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.880
Babylonian exile nowhere close, right, And even when they come

642
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.400
back from Babylonian exile, guess what, it's not long when

643
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.440
you read your Bible. You're going to open up the

644
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.719
Bible to Matthew and you're going to find that Israel's

645
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.840
under the Hill of Rome. And then in seventy eight

646
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:59.039
E they're wiped off the face of the earth. So yeah,

647
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:03.000
and then so but that's okay, that's okay. See, now

648
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:06.559
that's our hermoneutical difference. That's at least a hermaeneutical difference

649
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.400
that we can at least like, all right, you think

650
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:11.320
it was all fulfilled.

651
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:12.519
I don't think it was all fulfilled.

652
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.480
That's at least a reasonable discussion to have. So this

653
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.760
is this is at least one of those sermons where

654
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.320
it's not getting crazy, right.

655
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.119
This is one of those.

656
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.159
Sermons that is just like you can have respectful disagreement

657
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.239
some of the sermons we've been listening to recently. I mean,

658
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.199
come on, that things got so crazy and insane. I

659
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.159
didn't even know what to do.

660
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:32.719
This is at least much.

661
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.280
More in the realm of Okay, I see where you're going,

662
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.360
all right, but let's see, I'm assuming he's reading verse three.

663
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:42.440
I cut him off in the middle of reading verse three.

664
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.320
This is where we're gonna get inserted. This is where

665
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.840
we I guarantee you, this is where we are about

666
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.239
to be inserted into the text.

667
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.840
Ploods on the dry ground. I will pour my spirit

668
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.519
on your descendants, and my blessing on your offsp They

669
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.199
will spring up among the grass like willows by the

670
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.599
water courses. I will pour water.

671
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.920
On him. It was thirsty. Water here is a symbol of.

672
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:13.039
The Holy Spirit.

673
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:18.440
Just as water refreshes us when we're thirsty, so the

674
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:23.519
Holy Spirit refreshes the people of God. I will pour

675
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:29.800
my spirit on your descendants. How wonderful is the work

676
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.719
of the Holy Spirit. It's like refreshing water that comes

677
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.199
upon the dry and parched ground well with the help

678
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.920
of the Lord. We want to consider this work of

679
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:44.000
the Holy Spirit in our sermon this afternoon, and that's

680
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.320
our theme, the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer.

681
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.440
And we'll see that this is first of all, a

682
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:54.079
uniting work. Secondly, it is a comforting work. And thirdly

683
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:58.679
it is an ongoing work. A uniting work, a comforting work,

684
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.320
and an ongoing work. One of the most wonderful truths

685
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.639
about the Holy Spirit, as revealed to us in Holy Scripture,

686
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:12.320
is that he dwells in the believer, not just with

687
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.280
the believer. That would be something in itself, but the

688
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.360
scriptures tell us more than that. The scriptures say the

689
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.960
Holy Spirit actually dwells within the believer. I think of

690
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:23.599
John fourteen, verse seventeen.

691
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:31.440
Okay, did you the music has stopped? The car has flipped.

692
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.000
Did you see what just happened? All of a sudden?

693
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.639
Now it's just like erk and it's now us. Hey,

694
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.039
the Holy Spirit is in the believer. Whoa whoa, whoa,

695
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:42.599
whoa whoa whoa.

696
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.639
Wait wait, wait, what just happened? How did we how

697
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.039
did this get flipped to us?

698
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:53.280
What just happened? Isaiah forty four to three. If we

699
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.039
were to read this in the ESV.

700
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.000
For I will pour water on the thirsty land streams

701
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.360
on the dry ground. I will pour my spirit upon

702
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.719
your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants, this verse

703
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:11.159
seems to contain possibly two possibly two promises, possibly the

704
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.199
provision of water on dry ground. Now, some would refer

705
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.920
to this as a metaphor for abundance and renewal. God

706
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.679
promises to bring refreshment and restoration to a bear and

707
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.840
dry and parched land, and the immediate context the imagery

708
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.519
speaks to God's future restoration of Israel, both physically and

709
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:31.639
spiritually after their exile. So again, does this refer to

710
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.079
exactly what happens after the Babylonian exile or does it

711
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.320
also picture and at least lead you to consider what

712
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.599
God will ultimately do in Israel. I mean, I think

713
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.480
that's I think that's a reasonable question that like, that's

714
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.320
the hermoneutical issue here. The hermoneutical issue isn't us. This

715
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.320
is not like, hey, We're going to use this to

716
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.840
talk about the refreshing work of the Holy Spirit and

717
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:55.280
the believer.

718
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.039
Whoa, wha, whoa, whoa. Now we're a million miles away

719
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.000
from us. We would have to be okay, this provision

720
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:02.000
of water and drag round?

721
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:05.840
First, is that a metaphor? If it's a metaphor, then

722
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.119
it's a metaphor. What of abundance and renewal? Okay, is

723
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.800
this what's going to happen to Israel after the Babylonian captivity?

724
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.559
Or is this a picture of the Babylonian captivity? Will

725
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.719
only be one kind of preview of the ultimate abundance

726
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.440
and renewal that will come when God will ultimately fulfill

727
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.000
these promises, because we know there were never truly ultimately fulfilled.

728
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.320
So we have the idea of provision of water and dragground.

729
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.199
We could argue metaphor or literal. We could have that discussion.

730
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:39.039
Number two, the outpouring of God's Spirit upon Israel's descendants.

731
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.880
This second promise has a more profound spiritual dimension.

732
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.400
Now, this is why we get inserted into this where.

733
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.039
God promises to pour out his spirit upon the offspring

734
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.760
and descendants of Israel. The outpouring of the spirit implies

735
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.039
a spiritual renewal and blessing for future generations of God's people.

736
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.039
So to me, this immediately tells me that something beyond

737
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.480
just the people coming out of coming back from exile, right,

738
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.000
because we know when they come back from exile, it's

739
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.679
somewhat short lived, right, I mean, they come back, then

740
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.519
they're very hesitant to get the temple rebuilt. God has

741
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:16.519
to send profits to finally get them to do so.

742
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.599
And then the next thing, you know, they're under Rome.

743
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.599
So well, we may need to do some checking the time.

744
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.199
How long did Israel stay? How long when Judah returned

745
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.800
from Babylonia exile? How many years did they really remain,

746
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:37.360
you know, free and not under the control of anyone?

747
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:38.039
How long?

748
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:42.239
That's a very important question, all right now, the immediate

749
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.119
audience of this.

750
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:48.440
Promise in Isaiah forty four is Israel.

751
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:50.119
I don't think there's any There's no way to get

752
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.559
around that, right, I mean, I mean is there? I mean, first,

753
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.800
we can just go through how many times Israel has

754
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:56.159
been talked about in forty three.

755
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.679
We already know forty four. Yet now here, Oh Jacob,

756
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.199
my servant, and Israel whom I have chosen. Clearly, that's

757
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.760
right there, there's no way to get around that. It's

758
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.480
right there, So then we know this is.

759
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:14.199
About Israel, that particularly the exiles of the exiled Israelites.

760
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.559
I guess we could say it that way, who are

761
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:20.000
waiting God's deliverance and restoration. The imagery of water on

762
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.760
dry ground and the outpouring of the spirit directly addresses

763
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.280
their future hope and renewal after the Babylonian exile. God

764
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.599
is reassuring his people that he will not only restore

765
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.159
them physically to their land, but will spiritually revive them.

766
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.239
Now we could get into an argument as it's a

767
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.920
picture about spiritual revival, possibly because he says, I will

768
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.079
pour water upon him that is thirsty floods upon dry ground,

769
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.760
and I will pour my spirit upon thy speed, upon

770
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:50.000
thy seed. The spirit there seems to be going beyond.

771
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.159
The other could be physical restoration, physical provision, and the

772
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.519
spirit would be spiritual provision.

773
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:58.480
God is going to do this for his people.

774
00:42:58.559 --> 00:42:58.639
Now.

775
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.280
To me, this seems to be pointing to Isaia, to

776
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.159
Ezekuel thirty six. Well, Ezequel thirty six is clearly not

777
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.199
them coming back from Babylonian exile.

778
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.760
That is a reference.

779
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:15.079
Ultimately, I believe to a future restoration of Israel clearly

780
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:16.239
when you read it, I.

781
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.039
Mean you can go to Ezequel thirty six.

782
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:23.400
Is there a correlation between Isaiah forty four four A

783
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.039
forty four to three and Ezekuel thirty six? Is there

784
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:31.960
a cross reference a connection there? I may look something

785
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:35.800
up here in a minute to see. So we have

786
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.280
physical restoration. The metaphor of water in a dry land

787
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.559
speaks of Israel's return from exile, where God will once

788
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.679
again make their land fruitful and prosperous.

789
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.800
Again, did that happen after the Babylonian exile? Or is

790
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:47.400
that a promise?

791
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.760
Because if you go to Ezequel thirty six, it seems

792
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.079
to be something future.

793
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:52.760
Right.

794
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.239
So see, these are the hermeneutical questions we really should

795
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:58.480
be working through. Next. Spiritual restoration.

796
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:02.000
The promise of God's spirit out on their descendants emphasizes

797
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.800
a spiritual revival pourting fort a time when God will

798
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.360
work a transformative way within his people.

799
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.239
All right, So.

800
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.400
Yeah, the immediate audience audience is Israel. There's just no

801
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.000
way to get around there. So this is so the

802
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.079
really the hermeneutical question is I don't know how we

803
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.440
got inserted in this. I don't even know right, because

804
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:25.039
he immediately just turned the will of the you know,

805
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.239
the steering wheel, and the next thing, you know, we

806
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:28.400
were inside the car.

807
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:30.039
I don't even know how we got there. I don't

808
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:30.920
what happened.

809
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.159
Now, it's about the Holy Spirit in dwelling us. What

810
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.440
do you what does that even mean?

811
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:36.679
Now? I'm I'm going to I'm gonna do it.

812
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.079
I'm gonna ask Ai here because I'm just my mind

813
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:40.960
is now trying to.

814
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:41.679
Put this together.

815
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:42.719
Okay?

816
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:56.320
Is there a textual, a textual and philological connection between

817
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:04.599
Isaiah forty three or forty four forty four? What's that? Three?

818
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:13.800
And Ezekiel thirty six? All right, let's see what AI

819
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:20.159
says here, right, this is my idea. Look, I could

820
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:24.639
be wrong. AI sometimes will disagree with my ideas. All right, now,

821
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.679
AI says, and I quote.

822
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:27.440
Yes.

823
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:33.079
There is a clear textual and philological connection between Isaiah

824
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.440
forty three, forty four three and Ezequel thirty six, as

825
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.559
both passages focuses on the promise of spiritual annewal through

826
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.920
outpouring of God's spirit. These prophecies, though in different context,

827
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.880
share similar theme God's work of restoration and transformation among

828
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:48.719
his people.

829
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:50.440
The textual connection.

830
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.639
Here's a comparison of the relevant verses Isaiah forty four

831
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.800
to three. For I will pour water on the thirsty

832
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.960
land streams on the dry ground. I will pour my

833
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.559
spirit upon your offspring and my blessing your descendants. Ezequel

834
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.960
thirty six, twenty five through twenty seven. I will sprinkle

835
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.400
clean water on you, and you shall be cleaned from

836
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.760
all your uncleanliness and from all your idols.

837
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:11.800
I will cleanse you. I will give you a new

838
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.000
heart and a new spirit. I will be put within you.

839
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.519
I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh

840
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:20.639
and give you all heart. Remove the heart of stone

841
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.679
from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

842
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:24.760
And I will put my spirit within you and cause

843
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.320
you to walk in my statues, and be.

844
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:29.320
Careful to obey my rules.

845
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.840
Now again, when you get to Ezequel thirty six, the

846
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.480
promise is of a total transformation of Israel completely, a

847
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.639
new heart, new spirit, and they're going to obey all

848
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.239
Idolatry is going to be gone, all sin is going

849
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.920
to be gone. That's clearly not referencing what happened after

850
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.199
the Babylonian exile. That's clearly referring to something that's never

851
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:54.800
occurred before, which we think has to be future. The

852
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.920
philological and textual parallels water as a symbol of renewal

853
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.320
Isaiah forty four or three, the pouring of water on

854
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.159
the thirsty land, symbolizing refreshment and renewal.

855
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:06.440
Both physically and spiritually.

856
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.760
And Exequel thirty six, God promises to sprinkle clean water

857
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:14.199
on the people to cleanse them from their sins and idols.

858
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:18.639
Here he uses the water again to symbolize purification and

859
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:23.360
both passages water represents cleansing and restoration. Number two, the

860
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.480
outpouring of the spirit Isaiah forty four to three and

861
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.079
Exequel thirty six twenty seven.

862
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:29.239
God specifically says.

863
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.559
I will put my spirit within you. That speaks of

864
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.280
a deep internal transformation where God's spirit will empower and

865
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:40.360
renew the people. Restoration and renewal Isaiah forty four three

866
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.239
and Exequel thirty six twenty five through twenty seven speaks

867
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:49.039
of Israel's spiritual condition and everything being changed. All right,

868
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:56.800
So I could go through here, Yeah, I got a

869
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:59.320
lot more here. But you can see the parallels. So

870
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.559
there is a clear parallel between Isaiah forty four to

871
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:05.280
three and Ezequel thirty six clear parallels.

872
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.719
What I will say is, yes, God does in part.

873
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.440
This is what I would say God does in part

874
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.239
when they come out of Babylonian exile, he does. In

875
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.000
part he gives them kind of a preview. But then

876
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.119
even in Isaiah says, but I'm going to do this

877
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.000
for your descendants. There's going to come a time where.

878
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:27.679
I'm going to do this.

879
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.760
I think what you could either argue, I don't think

880
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.679
that fits perfectly with them coming out of Babylonian exile.

881
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.280
Clearly Ezequel thirty six does not. Ezequel thirty six is

882
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.480
point pointing to something that did not happen. There's no

883
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.440
way to say that Ezequel thirty six was fulfilled coming

884
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:47.760
out of Babylonian exile.

885
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:48.599
It just did not.

886
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:50.519
There's just no way to say that. I think that

887
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.960
would be just clearly not true. So those these are

888
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:57.559
the hermeneutical issues that should be addressed here. I don't

889
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.039
know how when the world has turned into you and

890
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.480
may being a dwelt with the Holy Spirit, this has

891
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:04.639
literally nothing to do with us.

892
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.880
Now, if you want to draw a parallel, you could

893
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.119
say what God.

894
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:15.400
Has promised to do for Israel in a very specific,

895
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.840
real way, in a very specific time. God will do

896
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.679
something similar for us, but he will not do it

897
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.239
for us here. He's going to do it for us

898
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:26.159
in glorification.

899
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:26.880
Right.

900
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.480
So again, this is if you want to draw a parallel.

901
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.199
Israel was an exile. They and it since they came

902
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.960
back from Babylonian captivity, just to in as sense, go

903
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:42.079
back into exile. Really, they're still scattered, right they now

904
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.400
in nineteen forty eight. They now have a nation, But

905
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.719
the Jews are still scattered, and they still do not

906
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.199
even need to have closed the land that was promis

907
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.840
unto them. There will come a time that God will

908
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.639
bring them, call them all back to the land. God

909
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.039
will completely save them, give them a new heart, a

910
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.599
new spirit, and then they will get the land and

911
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.480
they will get all the blessings. What God promised to

912
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:08.199
do for Israel in a similar way, God will do

913
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.679
for you and I because we are in exile. And

914
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.159
they'll come a time that He will call us out

915
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.000
of our exile in a sense, to His home, and

916
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.199
then we will be glorified. There will be no more pain,

917
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.639
there will be no more sin, and we all sin

918
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.199
will be removed, and then we will be made right.

919
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.440
He will be our people, We will be his people,

920
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:29.920
and he will be our God.

921
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:36.800
It will be similar in that sense. There's the parallel.

922
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:41.519
All right.

923
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:49.119
Now, let's see he immediately started talking about us. Let's

924
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.440
see what Let's just see what happens.

925
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.159
Jesus says to his disciples that the Holy Spirit dwells

926
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.440
with you. So yes, he does dwell with us. But

927
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.239
then he goes on to say, and will be in you.

928
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:07.320
The Holy Spirit will be in his people. Tewod Corinthians one,

929
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.039
verse twenty two Pulse says something similar. He says that

930
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.559
God has sealed us and given the earnest of the

931
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:19.960
Spirit in our hearts. And Galatians four six and seven,

932
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.920
same apostle declares that because you are you are sons,

933
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.400
God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into

934
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:32.880
your hearts, crying Abba Father. This is an astounding truth.

935
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.639
The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity,

936
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:42.320
who is God, co equal Kobe, eternal coe sentel with God,

937
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:43.199
the Father God.

938
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:47.039
The Holy Spirit dwells in the believer.

939
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:47.679
Did you know?

940
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.159
Do you see what has happened here? All of those

941
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:53.519
hermeneutical issues.

942
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.519
About Isaiah forty three and forty four, all of those

943
00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:00.840
issues have just magically, it's us, It's you with me,

944
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:02.760
the Holy Spirit in you, the Holy Spirit in you,

945
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.199
the Holy Spirit, you, the Holy Spirit, you, the Holy Spirit.

946
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:06.719
You wait, what.

947
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.000
What about these people?

948
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.320
You know, the people who are in exile? What about

949
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:19.480
their comfort? What about them? What about their descendants? Which descendants?

950
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.199
How does this fit with Ezekiel thirty six? Like those

951
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.320
like if you're gonna read Isaiah forty three and forty four,

952
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:30.320
these are the questions that you just profoundly have to face.

953
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.719
But once again, they just get kicked out. They just

954
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.239
get kicked out. Sorry, guys, gotta go. We're we're here now.

955
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.960
We've taken over. So it's like, you know, hey, Israel,

956
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.519
you get out of the cockpit. We're taking over the text.

957
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.800
We're hijacking it and we're gonna make it about us,

958
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.239
and we're gonna land this plane where we want that.

959
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.639
I know that sounds so negative, but that's that's what

960
00:52:57.760 --> 00:52:58.519
I feel is happening.

961
00:52:58.599 --> 00:52:58.679
Now.

962
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.719
Maybe now, maybe he's gonna get right back. Maybe we're

963
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.320
not gonna get very far in this, but we're getting

964
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:06.519
a basic idea of what's happening. Let's see, let's just

965
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.760
see if he mentions Israel again.

966
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.199
Know that so I live God.

967
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.519
Just think about that. Let that sink in for a moment.

968
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.559
The Holy Spirit dwells in me.

969
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.599
It's for this reason that Pole calls the believer the

970
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:29.599
temple of the Holy Spirit, because who lives in a temple?

971
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:30.840
Well? God does well.

972
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:36.039
God dwells in us through his Holy Spirit.

973
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:40.840
What an astounding truth that is, and how that should impact.

974
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.119
Our lives When we think about the fact that the

975
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:45.360
Holy Spirit dwells within us?

976
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.119
How can we sin? How do we dare to sit?

977
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:53.039
I say it to myself, how can we dare sin

978
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:53.920
against God?

979
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.039
The Holy Spirit dwells within us?

980
00:53:58.119 --> 00:53:58.239
Well?

981
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.639
When does the Holy Spirit dwell within us? When does he?

982
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.079
That's a good question. How can we sin if the

983
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:10.679
Holy Spirit dwells in us? Doing all of these things? Well, yeah,

984
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.360
I know that's a great question. Nobody's got a good

985
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.159
answer on that. Right, Well, well we can stop the

986
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:17.679
Holy Spirit.

987
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.360
I mean we we'll get back into that never ending discussion.

988
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.000
It's a good question. It's a good question.

989
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.920
But all right, Well, well, I'm just will waiting for

990
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:25.920
him to get back to Israel.

991
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.639
We're waiting for him to get back to Israel.

992
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.719
Start to dwell within us, because he doesn't dwell within

993
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:36.079
us from the time that we're born. We hope to

994
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:40.719
see next week when when we have the baptism, that

995
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.400
we'll read that form right. The first part of the

996
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.760
forum says that we and our children are conceived and

997
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.159
born and seem and therefore cannot enter the Kingdom of

998
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:55.880
Heaven except what except we're born again, So we don't

999
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.599
have the Holy Spirit because our parents are believers and

1000
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:00.239
they have the Holy Spirit. This holdly Spirit is not

1001
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.760
passed on from generation to generation in order to partake of.

1002
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:05.320
The Holy Spirit.

1003
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.440
In order for the Holy Spirit to be given to us,

1004
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:11.280
we must be converted. We must repent of sin. We

1005
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.480
must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's only after

1006
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.400
we have become converted to God that the Holy Spirit

1007
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:19.000
takes up.

1008
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:20.280
His abode in our hearts.

1009
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.280
Ephesians one, verse thirteen. Paul writes that it was after

1010
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.079
they had believed that the Ephesians were sealed with the

1011
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.639
Holy Spirit of promise.

1012
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.119
But you notice that the Holy Spirit does not come.

1013
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:39.400
In the believer on his own initiative, at least not exclusively.

1014
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:43.639
He is he is sent. Our catechism, you notice the

1015
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.639
wording here. Our catechism says that the Holy Spirit is given.

1016
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:49.239
He's given.

1017
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.719
Now, the word given implies that there's a giver, and

1018
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.519
who is the one who gives the Holy Spirit? Well,

1019
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:59.639
it is God, of course, through Christ, God, the Father

1020
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:03.199
gives the Holy Spirit through.

1021
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:08.280
The Son to the believer. Now this is also the

1022
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:09.199
language of scripture.

1023
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.039
John fourteen, verse sixteen, Jesus says, and I will pray

1024
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:13.519
the Father.

1025
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:18.760
Just note every scripture.

1026
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:23.840
After he ripped or whipped the steering wheel to the

1027
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:28.159
right and we flipped the car fifteen times, he left Isaiah.

1028
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.679
He read Isaiah forty three, forty four, and then next thing,

1029
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.800
you know, every scripture that's being spoken about us us US,

1030
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:38.079
none of them are referencing Isaiah forty three or forty four.

1031
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:43.239
I mean, he just completely abandoned that the entire text

1032
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:44.400
of the message.

1033
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.199
Right because.

1034
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.199
Now maybe he's gonna get back to this and we're

1035
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.159
gonna run out of time here, We're gonna run out

1036
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:55.159
of time. But once again, I oh, I just don't

1037
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:57.840
get it. There's so many other issues to deal with.

1038
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:03.280
Forty four to three, Right, again, were these promises did

1039
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.360
were they fulfilled when they came a loud out of

1040
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.239
bump Babylonian exile, exile where they fulfilled? Especially if you

1041
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.440
connect us with these Eql thirty six, and I will

1042
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:15.480
make it emphatic. No, these promises were not fulfilled completely

1043
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:18.199
when they came out of Babylonian exile. So that leaves

1044
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.760
the question, well, then when where who? Well, I know

1045
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.599
it's not you and I because this is about Israel.

1046
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.320
Now is our parallels? I've already been able to establish

1047
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.920
certain parallels. What God is going to ultimately do for Israel,

1048
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:34.480
he will do for us. He's gonna bring them out

1049
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.960
of exile, ultimate exile, because they're gonna really be gathered

1050
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:40.079
finally get the land. And then God's going to do

1051
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.000
all these things. We will be brought out of our

1052
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:46.480
exile and brought into His presence, and then we will

1053
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:54.000
be transformed and we will be changed. So I'm just

1054
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:55.639
gonna let I'm gonna let it play a little bit

1055
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:58.679
more and seafield if he's gonna say anything about Israel.

1056
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:08.320
And he will give you another helper that he may

1057
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.920
abide with you forever, the spirit of truth whom the

1058
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.440
world cannot receive because it neither sees him nor knows him.

1059
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.880
The Father will give his Holy Spirit is a gift

1060
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:23.320
for Corinthians.

1061
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:27.320
Two verse twelve, Paul says, now we have received not

1062
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.679
the spirit of the world, but the spirit who is

1063
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:34.440
from God. So God gives the Holy Spirit to each

1064
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.800
and every believer. Now, what is the task of the

1065
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:41.480
Holy Spirit. Once the Holy Spirit takes up his residency

1066
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:42.400
in our hearts?

1067
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:44.480
What does he do there?

1068
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:47.119
Well, here a catechism is so helpful. Spells it all

1069
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:50.199
out for us? It says here he makes us. He

1070
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.880
makes me, by a true faith, partaker of Christ and

1071
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:57.719
all his benefits.

1072
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:03.400
Gop there again, and just think about that.

1073
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:09.440
He makes me a partaker of Christ.

1074
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:17.880
He unites me to Christ. Now again, by nature, we

1075
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:21.239
are not partakers of Christ. We are not united to Christ.

1076
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.760
We are partakers of the devil. We are children of

1077
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:25.880
the Devil. That's who we are, that's how we're born.

1078
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:31.360
But when the Lord works in our heart by his

1079
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:35.599
Holy Spirit and by his word, and we come to

1080
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:39.320
see our sin and our need for His Savior, and

1081
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.639
he comes to to work faith in our hearts such

1082
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:42.800
that we cast.

1083
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.559
Our hope for salvation upon the Lord Jesus Christ. Then

1084
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:49.719
we become partakers of Christ.

1085
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:52.960
And of all of his benefits.

1086
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.840
The Holy Spirit is like the best illustration I could

1087
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:57.519
come up with is like a coupler on a train.

1088
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:03.960
You know trains. Trains are very you know, long, and

1089
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:06.199
there are many cars on a train. You can sometimes

1090
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.000
like a hundred cars. And remember when we were kids

1091
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.880
and we lived in Alberta and there was a train

1092
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.880
track that used to cross the highway. We'd sit there

1093
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.760
and sometimes after church and we get stuck behind, we

1094
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:18.079
would count the number of cars. One hundred cars on

1095
01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:21.039
a train. And each of these cars is connected to

1096
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.000
the other by a coupler. And there's one car that's

1097
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.559
attached to another car all the way up to the engine.

1098
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.079
And the Holy Spirit is kind of like the coupler.

1099
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:35.800
He connects us to Christ, just as a train is.

1100
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.840
Connected to the engine. So the Holy Spirit couples us

1101
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:44.280
to Christ. And this is why the apostle Paul calls

1102
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:48.480
the church the body of Christ, where He is the

1103
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.599
head and we are the members. Were his fingers, were

1104
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:56.880
his arms, and his legs and his feet. We're organically

1105
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:01.199
connected to Christ. We're part of his body. We are

1106
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:03.039
partakers of Christ.

1107
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:13.079
Okay, so I don't know what happened. I don't. I

1108
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:14.280
really don't know what happened.

1109
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:16.000
I don't.

1110
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:18.360
I don't know why the Isaiah passage.

1111
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:21.920
I'm just baffled here, like I don't, I don't know

1112
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.719
what to say. Like you could have preached all of

1113
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:29.599
this without the Isaiah Passage and then it would have

1114
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.760
been perfectly like yeah, that would be very I mean,

1115
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:34.639
we may have some discussions there, but you know what

1116
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:36.719
I'm saying, Like we'd be like, okay, I just don't

1117
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:37.079
get where.

1118
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:38.880
How did we go from Isaiah?

1119
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.760
And then all of a sudden it's like Israel, He's

1120
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.440
putting it in its historical textual context and then all.

1121
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:47.159
Of a sudden, boom, you me, Holy Spirit, forget them.

1122
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:49.880
And I'm like, what just happened? So let me at

1123
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:50.840
least establish this.

1124
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:52.760
So I asked Ai because I was like, you know,

1125
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:57.239
I want to again, my my estimation, my theory, my

1126
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.920
hypotheses is, hey, this promises and Isaiah forty four to

1127
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.679
three and Ezekiel thirty six did not happen when they

1128
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:05.800
came out of Babylon exile.

1129
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.920
There's just no way to say that these were fulfilled.

1130
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:11.119
So AI told me this correct.

1131
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.960
The promises in Isaiah forty four to three and Ezekiel

1132
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:18.920
thirty six, while partially fulfilled when Israel returned from Babylonian exile,

1133
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:24.320
were not fully realized during that time, Thank you. The

1134
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:27.760
restoration that occurred after the exile was primarily physical. The

1135
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.639
people returned to the land, the Temple was rebuilt, some

1136
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.320
sense of national identity was restored. However, the spiritual renewal

1137
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:36.599
and outpouring of the Holy Spirit promised in the passages

1138
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.159
did not fully come to pass at that time. I

1139
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:43.320
know they did not reasons partial physical restoration versus full

1140
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:47.400
spiritual renewal. The return from Babylon under leaders like zerubrabl

1141
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.519
Ezra and Theamiah marked a physical restoration of Israel to

1142
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.559
the land, but the deep spiritual renewal prophesied, particularly in

1143
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:57.119
Ezekiel and Isaiah, were only partially fulfilled. The Temple was

1144
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.960
rebuilt and the walls of Jerusalem were restored, but Israel

1145
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:04.960
continued to struggle with internal sin, external threats, and political instability.

1146
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.920
Their spiritual condition remained imperfect, and there was no widespread,

1147
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:12.880
transformative outpouring of the Holy Spirit described in the prophetic passages.

1148
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.679
I know I know it didn't happen, and guess what,

1149
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.800
it never has happened. Therefore we believe it must happen.

1150
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.400
And therefore the only place we can put it is

1151
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.760
in some setting of eschatology, in some future that has

1152
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:28.639
yet been arrived.

1153
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.360
And we can't come bring it into the.

1154
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:34.679
Church because this does not describe the church either, because

1155
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:39.280
guess what, the church still struggles with internal sin and

1156
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:46.199
strife and division and fighting and arguing and failure. And

1157
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.519
Isaiah forty four to three and Ezequiel thirty six, God

1158
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:50.960
promises to pour out his spirit on Israel, leading to

1159
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:53.960
a deep transformation. While there were some signs of spiritual

1160
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.559
revival after the exile, such as the rebuilding of the

1161
01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.639
Temple and the rededication of the people to the law

1162
01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.119
under Ezra Niamayah, the promises was not fully realized.

1163
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:04.119
Now they.

1164
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:10.159
Here's where me and Ai would disagree. It says that

1165
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.440
this was fulfilled in the New Testament basically on the

1166
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:16.079
day of Pentecost. And I'm going to be like, no, no, no, no,

1167
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.920
no no, that was still not what was promised here

1168
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:23.840
the new Heart and the new Spirit. In Hiszequel thirty six,

1169
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:25.880
God promises to give his people a new heart and

1170
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:31.480
a new spirit, which would result in complete obedience. However,

1171
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:35.000
after the return from Babylon, Israel continued to experience spiritual

1172
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.960
struggle and did not exhibit this kind of spiritual transformation.

1173
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:41.119
The spiritual renewal promised.

1174
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.440
In these passages involved a deep work of the Holy Spirit,

1175
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.960
and it says, which is something that was only realized

1176
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:49.440
in the New Testament era, which I completely disagree with.

1177
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:56.519
All right, I completely disagree with. In fact, I'm gonna

1178
01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:58.199
argue with Ai right here on the air.

1179
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:17.599
The spiritual transformation promised in Ezekiel thirty six cannot be

1180
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:27.320
referring to what happens to believers in the New Testament.

1181
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:39.079
We are still sinners who continue to sin. Wouldn't it

1182
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:43.519
make wouldn't it make if I can spell right? Wouldn't

1183
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:50.280
it make more sense for this to be applied to

1184
01:05:50.639 --> 01:06:07.840
a future fulfillment the original recipients for okay, for Israel,

1185
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:20.119
who was given the promise to begin with. All right,

1186
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:23.320
let's see what Ai does with this question. Mark here

1187
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.480
we go. Here's what Ai says. Yeah, trying to say

1188
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:28.800
that this was fulfilled in the New Testament. It's just ridiculous.

1189
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.880
All right, it says you bring up an important philological point.

1190
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:35.440
All right, so it does not necessarily agree with me.

1191
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:36.639
But here's what AI says.

1192
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:38.920
You bring up an important theological question that has been

1193
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.719
debated among scholars, particularly regarding the interpretation of promises of

1194
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:46.719
spiritual transformation and passages like Ezekiel thirty six. Let's explore

1195
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.280
and let's explore both perspectives and address whether this promise

1196
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:52.960
of transformation applies to believers today.

1197
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:53.599
All right.

1198
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:59.280
The passage in Ezequel promises cleansing from sin, a new

1199
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:03.639
heart and spirit, and in dwelling of God's dwelling of

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God's spirit. This is a picture of spiritual transformation applying

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01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:09.920
a deep fundamental change in the hearts of God's people

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resulting in obedience to his statutes.

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All right.

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Perspective one fulfillment and the New Covenant.

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For believers today, many theologians and biblical scholars see the

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01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.880
passages being fulfilled in part by the work of the

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01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.519
Holy Spirit and the lives of believers under the New Covenant.

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01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.519
When the Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost and

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Acts chapter two, it marked the beginning of spiritual renewal.

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Then it quotes two Corinthians five p. Seventeen.

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Therefore, if anyone is in crist he is a new creature,

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the oldest passed away. Behold, he has become new. This

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01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:47.199
verse indicates that believers experience of spiritual transformation upon salvation,

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which echoes the language of Ezekiel thirty six. Of course,

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you know I'm going to disagree with that.

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No, we do. We're not. We are true.

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We are transformed positionally, not practically. So unless you ad

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01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.719
Ezekiel thirty six is not speaking of a practical transformation,

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only a positional transformation. And even if it's only a

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positional transformation, the text is still about Israel and not

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about us. While believers receive the Holy Spirit under regenerated,

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they still struggle with sin.

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Of course I know that.

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But number three, believers continue to sin, but with a

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new nature. I know we continue to sin, which is

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01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:32.319
completely different than what's being talked about. Perspective number two,

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future fulfillment, the promise given specifically to Israel. Ezekiel thirty six,

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twenty five through twenty seven says this promise is given

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to Israel. Many theologists, particularly within dispensationalists and futurist eschatologies,

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believe this prophecy refers to a future Israel for ethnic Israel.

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They argue that the full realization of the New Heart

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and New Spirit will occur during the Millennial Kingdom or

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Messianic Age, when Israel is fully restored under the reign

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01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.960
of Christ future restoration and spiritual new of Israel.

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According to this view, Israel has not.

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Yet experienced the full spiritual renewal prophesied in Ezekiel. While

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some restoration occurred after the Babylonian Exile, and while many

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individual Jews have come to faith in Christ, the nation

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as a whole remains an unbelief Romans eleven, twenty five

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through twenty seven. Some theologians argue that during the Millennial Kingdom,

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Israel will be fully restored both politically and spiritually. At

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that time, the new Heart New Spirit will be given

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01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.279
to the nation as a whole, leading to perfect obedience

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01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:32.319
to God's statutes in line with Ezekiel thirty six twenty seven.

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Ezekiel's prophecy is seen as a part of the New

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01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:38.720
Covenant Promise to Israel Jeremiah thirty one, which includes internal

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01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:44.880
transformation and a new relationship. While Christian's experience benefits of

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01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:47.840
the New Covenant. This view holds that national promises to

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01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:53.600
Israel remain fully fulfilled in the future when all Israel

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01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:59.920
is saved. All right, So there is a valid is

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01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.039
a valid theological argument for seeing the spiritual transformation in

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01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:06.359
Ezekuel thirty six as applying to New Testament believers.

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Through the Holy Spirit.

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While Christians still believe so, they believe it's still a

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01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.760
possible argument to make it about the Church and make

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01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.800
it about us. But even they have to admit so.

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Even Ai says, well.

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It's very valid to apply this to Christians and the Church.

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Even they have to admit, well, it's not. It's kind

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01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.600
of yet but not yet. That's the way they describe it.

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Ai loves that phrase yet and not yet. Well, I

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mean we have been transformed, but we're not yet transformed.

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01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:37.039
Well, what does that even mean?

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No, Ezequel thirty six is about Israel, and it's about

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01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:45.319
a total transformation where there is complete obedience that does

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01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:47.600
not happen in the Church, that does not happen in you,

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01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:49.840
that does not happen in me, and not only that

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01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:53.399
is a complete utter or just destruction of the actual

1269
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.880
meaning of the text. Isaiah forty four is about Israel.

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01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:59.760
Ezequel thirty six is about Israel. If you want to

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find some parallel, that I can help you with the parallel.

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But this is about what God is going to do

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01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:08.159
for Israel in the same way the New Testament. God

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01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.680
says he will do something similar for us we are

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01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:13.600
in exile. They'll come a time he will gather us

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01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:17.279
all together to himself, and then we will be transformed

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and He will be our God and we will be

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01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:19.920
his people.

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01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:24.279
But that's in glorification, not now.

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Just like Israel, even though they have these promises, are

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01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:34.279
not yet there until the ultimate fulfillment, and the fulfillment

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01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:38.680
of their spiritual transformation is completely tied to them having

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01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:39.720
the land.

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It is absolutely linked together.

1285
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.399
So I have no idea why in this sermon where

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the text is Isaiah forty three and forty four.

1287
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:59.479
I don't know. I don't know what happened. So once again,

1288
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.119
what do we have? We have this weird? I don't

1289
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:07.600
know what else do we say? We hijacked to text.

1290
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:10.680
We just we used to come into the text and

1291
01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:17.560
we just hijack it. We've got to stop being textual hijackers.

1292
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:22.319
Now, everything He's saying philologically, because he's preaching the Heidelberg Catechism,

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01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:24.760
I would be in agreement with most of this, right,

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01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:26.600
I would be in agreement with a good portion of

1295
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.840
this to some level. I just don't know how in

1296
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.199
the world Isaiah forty three and forty four got us

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01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:34.760
to where he's going.

1298
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:36.800
Now.

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I would like to go back and listen to more

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01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:40.239
of the sermon, and maybe at some point in time

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I will, but you know, for now, I'm just going

1302
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.840
to stop there because we're already at seventy two minutes,

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01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:47.640
so we've done a lot.

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01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:49.239
We did a little bit of work on the text.

1305
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:51.119
I had to go through a lot of that quickly.

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01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.920
AI gave me like about fifteen pages of notes, and

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01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:56.920
so maybe at some point we'll work through that in

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01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:57.880
a greater detail.

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01:12:57.960 --> 01:12:59.640
I had to read it really really fast. But you

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01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:00.479
get the idea.

1311
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.880
There's basically two views and that that's the that's the

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01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:09.319
hermoneutical issue in Isaiah forty four to three. How does

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01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.760
this relate to them coming out of Babylonia exile? How

1314
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.239
does this relate to some future issue with Israel? And

1315
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:17.479
do we understand it being fulfilled in Israel or do

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01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:19.640
we understand that we somehow insert ourselves and it be

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01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.439
fulfilled in us. And if it's fulfilled in us, then

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01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:25.000
how come? And then how does it connect to Ezekiel

1319
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:27.399
thirty six? Those are the hermoneutical issues.

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So all right, I'll stop right there.

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That was a lot of work. That's a lot of work.

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01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:41.039
All right, thank you for listening. Ah, I wanted to

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01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:47.119
be positive. I don't know what to say. We tried,

1324
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.279
We tried to be positive. We tried, we tried, we

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01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:52.479
put forth a good effort. I think we did. I

1326
01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:54.119
think I don't think we I don't think we were

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01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:54.680
too negative.

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01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.840
I don't think we were too negative. Right, Because again,

1329
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.840
when it comes down to it, every enter, let's just

1330
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:06.319
make this very clear. Every interpretation of scripture at best.

1331
01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:08.520
Is subjective.

1332
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:14.279
At best, it's just an educated guest. At best, it's

1333
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:19.039
just a theory. It's just a hypothesis at best. And

1334
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:22.439
why can't you say that because no one agrees on anything,

1335
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:25.800
so not all these interpretations can be right, but everyone

1336
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:29.760
thinks they're right. And when you get to Isaiah forty

1337
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:32.920
four to three and Eequl thirty six, you have complete

1338
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:37.079
you have a division within Christianity like once what these

1339
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:38.760
people are on this side of the Grand Canyon, and

1340
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:40.560
these people are on the other side of the Grand Canyon,

1341
01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:44.680
and there's this big chasm in between. They're nowhere close together,

1342
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:47.880
completely saying opposite things.

1343
01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.319
How quickly does it take for a pastor.

1344
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:04.119
To go to Isaiah forty three, not Isaiah forty four,

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01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:07.920
and insert us into the text.

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It takes about zero seconds. God bless