Sept. 26, 2024

Inside a Christian

Inside a Christian

Let’s open up a Christian body and see what we find.

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Let’s open up a Christian body and see what we find.

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. This is Patrol one.

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Please come in headquarters. This is Patrol one. Come in headquarters,

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Patrol one. This is headquarters. Go ahead. Yes, I'm at

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the First Baptist Church and we have made a horrible discovery.

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We have found three hundred dead bodies. Patrol one. This

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is headquarters. Can you repeat that. Yes, I'm at the

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first Baptist Church. We have found three hundred dead bodies.

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Patrol one. We have to try to figure out what

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to do here. Give us, give us just one second.

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We're consulting with some experts to know what to do.

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You said three hundred dead bodies, right, yes, Headquarters, three

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hundred dead bodies. All right, this is what we need

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you to do. This is what we need you to do.

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We need you to grab a mirror, yes, a mirror,

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and put it in front of the face of each

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dead body. This should bring about some type of a resurrection,

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and then all of the bodies will be awake and

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they can respond and we can find out exactly what happened.

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All right, So Headquarters, are you telling me to get

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a mirror? Yes, a mirror, put it in front of

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their face. Well, Headquarters, we've taken the mirror, We've put

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it in front of all three hundred faces, and well

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nothing happened. They're still dead bodies, all right, Patrol one,

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this is headquarters. All right. This next solution, it may

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it may not be pretty, but we need to do

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this just to try to figure out what's going on.

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We need you to get a knife. Headquarters. This is

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Patrol one. Did you say get a knife, Yes, Patrol one,

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a knife. Make sure, yeah, make sure you sterilize it,

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make sure it's good to go, make sure it's nice

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and clean. Okay, here's what you're going to do. You're

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going to go to each body and you're going to

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cut the body open because we have to figure out

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what's going on on the inside of these bodies. We've

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got to figure out what is wrong, So we need

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to open up each body, Headquarters. Are you sure you

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want me to take a knife and cut open each

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body to figure out what's going on inside. That is

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the only thing we know to do right now. The

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mirror didn't work. That was our best option. The mirror

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was supposed to be the solution. So now we've got

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to figure out what went wrong. Okay, obviously you know

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that this is all just an illustration. I have been

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using this over and over and over and over and

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over again. But yes, today, hey, we reach the next

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dramatic chapter in this ongoing story of three hundred dead

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bodies found in a Baptist church. Not literal bodies, this

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is a metaphor. Once again, I have to explain this

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or people will get all upset. It's not literal bodies.

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But we've been telling this story of someone walking into

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a Baptist church and seeing three hundred dead bodies and

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then trying to figure out what to do. And this

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has all been an illustration really of trying to understand

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the reality of sin and the life of Christians. Now

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I will put this all back together and we're going

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to do well exploratory surgery on Christians in the next

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few minutes. But before we do that, it is Thursday

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September twenty sixth, twenty twenty four. It is currently twelve

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thirty two pm Central time, and I am coming to

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you live from the Theology Central Studio located here in Abilene, Texas. Now,

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how did we get to this whole dead body illustration,

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this whole dead body metaphor this story that I keep

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adding to over and over and over. Well, it all

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started because of a book entitled Six Secrets of the

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Christian Life, and they put forth kind of a hypothesis

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to help us understand why the Christian life is a

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life of sin. Christians continue to sin. That is just

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a fact, even though Christian Christianity tries to sell it differently.

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We all continue to sin on a regular and consistent basis.

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Remember my two major dogmatic points I keep making. No

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one can keep the law of God Christian or non Christian.

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Therefore we are in a perpetual state of sin. Well,

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Christianity tries to offer some solution or some explanation to

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why we continue to sin. Well, this book Six Secrets

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of the Christian Life put forth really this hypothesis. Number one,

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the Christian body is dead. The Christian body is dead.

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Your physical body is dead. Spiritually, the nature and heart

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inside of you is completely changed. So inside is completely changed.

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But your body is dead. So now here's the problem.

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The body, the physical body can't respond to that new nature,

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that new nature, that new heart. The body can't respond

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to it. So on the inside, there's like I want

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to live for God, but the body is just like

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not going to respond, not going to do anything, because

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it cannot respond to this all the new spiritual aspects

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of you inside. So a resurrection of the body must occur. Now,

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not looking to resurrection of the body and eternity, but

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a resurrection of the body. Right now, some kind of

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resurrection must happen so that the body then can be

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alive to the spiritual nature. And then therefore they're in

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perfect harmony. And then well, I guess you can go

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forth and be perfect. So then how do we get

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this resurrection to occur? While the book offered us the

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solution of well, put a mirror in front of that body, right,

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and that mirror is the word of God. And if

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we look into the word of God, then supposedly that mirror, well,

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they kind of backtracked. It doesn't really resurrect the body,

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but it will start slowly resurrecting the body, I guess,

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a little bit at a time. So then the body

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becomes a little bit more responsive to the new nature. Well,

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then that's not really a resurrection, right, I mean, how

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can a body be five percent resurrected or ten percent resurrected.

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It makes literally no sense. So we weren't really happy

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with them, so I was going to go to the

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next chapter and figure out what they was. What was

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the next secret of the Christian life. We've been working

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on Romans eight ten through eleven, which is where this

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all started, because Romans eight ten says and if and

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if Christ be in you, the body is dead because

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of sin. That that's kind of really the verse that

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sparked all of this. So I'm like, well, we've already

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done some sermon reviews on Romans eight ten through eleven.

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I don't know if I want to do another one

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because those are ending with me so frustrated that I'm

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literally I'm going to drive past the liquor store to

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rehab because I can't take this anymore. It's contradictory, it's confusing,

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it's discombobulated, it's just a mess, right, And I guess

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nobody seems to be bothered by it, because we listen

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to these sermons and everybody's like, amen, Amen, I'm like,

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what are you amening? It literally makes no sense, But

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it seems that the circular reasoning is this, We've been

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completely transformed we've been completely changed, We're a new creature

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in Christ. Yet, well, we still sin, and we still

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have to fight sin, and we still have to overcome

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sin even though we're completely transformed. If we're completely transformed,

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I don't know what we're fighting, and I don't know

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I don't know where sin is coming from. Nobody seems

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to be able to offer any reasonable explanation other than

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throwing out a lot of words. So I thought, well,

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let's do this. Let's grab a knife. Let's cut open

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Christians and see what we actually find on the inside.

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What is the inside makeup of a believer? Right? I mean,

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sometimes you have to do exploratory surgery, right, Hey, we

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got to get in there and look around and try

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to find out what's going on because we can't figure

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this out right, all of these external things are not

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helping us. We need to get inside of you to

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see if we can figure it out. Well, we need

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to do a little exploratory surgery on you as a Christian?

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Is a Christian? And what do we find on the inside.

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If we can figure out the inside, maybe we can

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figure out why we keep sinning, and then what can

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or cannot be done about it? So the internal makeup

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of a believer. That's the question. What happens to the

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old nature or new heart after conversion is a crucial

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and often debated aspect of Christian theology. Let me state

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this again, new heart, new nature, old nature, old heart,

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What happens to all of that after conversion? I want

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to make sure this is very I cannot state this

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clearly enough. This is an often debated aspect of Christian theology.

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Whether you like it or not, Christians do not agree.

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I know this is going to be shocking, but you

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just need to write this down. Christians do not even

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agree to what happens inside of a Christian ad conversion.

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There's not even agreement on it. Yet everyone walks around

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being so dogmatic this and this, and like, well wait,

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they don't agree and they don't agree, and they don't agree,

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and they don't agree and they don't agree. Well why

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can't If it's so clear, then why is there no agreement?

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Maybe because no one really knows exactly what happens on

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the inside, even though everyone wants to quote a scripture

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as if they know. Different Christian traditions offer various ways

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to understand this. So we're gonna look at some kind

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of an overview of how many within Christian theology understand

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the internal makeup of a believer. We're gonna focus on

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terms like old nature, new heart, the heart, and the

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ongoing struggle with sin. All right, so let's just look

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at some of these typical kind of concepts. Let's go

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with two natures. We're gonna go with the two nature view.

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So we're gonna take the knife. We're gonna cut someone open.

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We're gonna cut open a Christian, or we're gonna be

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like WHOA This Christian has two natures inside of them.

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They have the old and the new, both inside a believer.

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This is one of the most common frameworks in Christian theology.

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It is the idea that a believer has both an

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old and a new nature after conversion, and this is

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true after conversion, and this is based on the tension

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described in Scripture between the old sinful often called the flesh,

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and the new life in Christ often called the spirit

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or the new self. However, even though this is a

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common framework, Okay, every Christian has two natures. They have

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the old and new. So if you're a Christian, you

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have two things working on inside of you. So inside

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of you you're almost schizophrenic. There is a complete duality,

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a dichotomy working inside of you. You become a believer,

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and now all of a sudden, you got something going

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on inside of you that it's gonna be hard to

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even explain. You got two things fighting against each other

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literally inside one person. But here's what's crazy. Even though

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that's the common framework, these two natures are typically understood

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in various different ways, depending on your stream of theology.

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So the basic framework is that all Christians have two natures.

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How this is understood though, Well, there's lots of different

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ways of approaching this, all right, So we have old nature,

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sometimes referred to as the flesh, right, the old nature

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or flesh. This is typically under understood as the sinful

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nature a person possesses prior to their conversion. It represents

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the inclination to sin, rebellion against God, and living according

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to one's desires apart from God. This is sometimes called

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the fallen nature or sin nature. Many believe Romans six

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' six refers to the old self as being crucified

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with Christ, suggesting that the old nature's rule of dominion

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over a believer is broken. However, Christians are still worned

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not to live according to the flesh, indicating that while

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the power of the old nature has been decisively broken,

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its influence remains. Now that is what do you do

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with that? Now? See, I can say that if I

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just preach that in a dogmatic, assertive way, Christians will

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be like, well, amen, Amen, that makes sense. It makes

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literally no sense. Let me try to describe this again.

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So typically, the sinful nature is what you have prior

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to conversion, right, and it represents the nation to sin,

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rebellion against God, living according to one's desires. This is

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called the fallen nature or the sin nature. Now, according

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to some, Roman sixty six refers to the old self

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as being crucified, suggesting that the old nature's rule or

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dominion over a believer is broken. Now just think about

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this logically, if the old nature's rule and dominion has

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been broken, then why can't you get to perfection? If

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the old nature is the thing keeping me from perfection,

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then ladies and gentlemen, the old nature is still It's

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still dominant, It's still the most powerful thing in me.

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If I cannot get to perfection, what is stopping me? Now?

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If you claim that the old nature has been and

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that the old nature has been broken, it's been somehow defeated. Well,

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then no, that makes no sense, because then there would

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be nothing stopping me from getting to perfection. There's something

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stopping us from getting to perfection. There is something causing

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you and I to sin. Every single day, twenty four

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hours a day, seven days a week. You and I sin.

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We cannot keep the law, are a We are in

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a constant state of sin. So what is stopping you?

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and the dominion of the old nature has been broken,

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then you should be able to be perfect. Now, what

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this tries to do is offer kind of like well,

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wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Christians

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are still worn not to live according to the flesh,

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indicating that while the power of the old nature has

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been decisively broken, its influence remains. So it's just the

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influence of the old nature. Wait, the old nature is crucified,

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but the influence is there. So now go back to

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our kind of like little you know scenario that I

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keep going back to. All right, all right, headquarters, I've

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cut open it to the body. There's well, it looks

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like there was two natures, but it looks like one

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is gone, but the influence of it is still there.

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What then, the nature has been crucified, the dominion has

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been broken, but the influence. What is the end? If

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the nature is gone, if the nature has been crucified,

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if the nature's dominion has been broken, what is the

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influence left over? Is it? The leftover? Is there? Is

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it the residual leftover of the old nature? So in

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this case, you really wouldn't have two natures. You would

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be telling me the old nature has been removed, but

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there's the residue, there's the leftover. We have a little

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bit of leftover in me, right, I mean the new

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nature is now dominant, but the old nature is just

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the left What does it even mean? And again I

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would say, it's got to be more than just the

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leftover influence. If I cannot get to perfection, what is

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stopping me from perfection? What is stopping me from obeying

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simple laws like be holy as God is holy? Whatever

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is stopping me from that? And simple is simply that

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it's easy to understand, obviously not easy to do, because

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no one can. Whatever stops me from that fulfillment of

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that law is dominant. It's not just the influence. It's dominant.

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And to say otherwise it's just ridiculous, and you're confusing

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anyone in it who's trying to understand it. Romans seven

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eighteen through twenty five. Paul describes the battle between wanting

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to do good but filling the pool of sin, which

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seems to suggest that even after becoming a Christian, the

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old nick you're still wages war against the believer. Well,

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how can the old nature be waging war against the believer?

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If supposedly, according to some the old nature has been

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completely crucified and its dominion has been broken, it sounds

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like it could not wage much of a war. But

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obviously it can wage war to such a point that

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I can't get to perfection, which would mean it's winning

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if the sinful nature still remains. If you're gonna say

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there's two natures, but then you're gonna try to argue

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that the one nature really doesn't exist, it's just the

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residue of it. But then at the same time you're

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going to say that nature is the thing keeping me

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from perfection. Well, then, ladies and gentlemen, it's it's the

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dominant power. Inside of me. If I cannot be sinless

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and the reason I can and the reason I cannot

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be sinless is because of what's inside of me, then

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the thing inside of me keeping me from sinlessness is

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the dominant power. Just logic? Would Dick take that? So

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this is the way. You have two natures. But one

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of the natures is supposedly weakened and dominion broken. But

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it doesn't help us in any way, shape or form.

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I don't even know what to do with that. Now,

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the new nature, the new nature, according to this is

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the regenerated self that is created in the likeness of Christ.

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It is empowered by the Holy Spirit. This is often

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described as the believer's new identity, united with Christ and

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empowered to live a holy life. Now just think about this. Now,

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wait a minute. So we supposedly have two natures. One

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of the natures is basically completely defeated. The new nature

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is created in the likeness of Christ and empowered by

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God himself. This has described as the believer's new identity,

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united with Christ and empowered to live a holy life.

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If I'm being empowered by the Holy Spirit to live

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a holy life, then then I should be able to

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fulfill the law that says, be holy as He is Holy.

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So now this makes literally So now we've cut open

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at least one of the three hundred dead bodies. And

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this makes no sense. I literally makes no sense. Well,

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you have a new nature empowered by the Holy Spirit itself.

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That the nature is created in the likeness of Christ.

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So you've got a completely perfect nature that's literally empowered

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by God. But you cannot get to the level of

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obeying God's law because God's law starts with be holy

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as He is holy. Love Him with all your heart, mind, body,

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and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself, love your enemy,

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turn the other you're done. And even early Church, remember

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even the early Church, all of their confessions of sin. Right,

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let me just go too, Let me just read one.

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Here we go. Here's an early confession of sin that's

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still in some liturgies. If we say we have no sin,

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we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

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But if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just,

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we'll forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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Most merciful God, we confess that we are in bondage

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to sin. And cannot free ourselves. That is literally what

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is said in some liturgies by Christians every Sunday, we

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confess that we are in bondage to sin and cannot

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free ourselves. We have sinned against You and thought, word

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and deed. By what we have done and by what

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we have left undone, we have not loved you with

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our whole heart. We have not loved our neighbor as ourselves.

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For the sake of your son, Jesus Christ, have mercy

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on us. The early Church knew that we're continually in sin.

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But wait a minute. I supposedly have a new nature

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that's created in the likeness of Christ, and it's empowered

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by God. But I have to continue to confess every

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single day that I'm a sinner. Wait a minute, something

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isn't making sense. Well, then some people say, well, because

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the residue or the leftover of the old nature is

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stopping you. Well, that makes no sense, because the new

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nature is empowered by God. So couldn't the new nature

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overpower the leftover of the old nature. And then, of

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course this view would say, if anyone is in Christ,

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he's a new creature, the oldest passed away. Behold the

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new has come. Well, if that is true, if anyone

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is in Christ as a new creature, the old has

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passed away. Behold, everything has become new. There would be

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nothing left of the old nature. You can't quote Tewod

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Corinthians five point seventeen and say everything is all the

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oldest gone and everything is new, but still try to

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make some argument that the residue or the leftover, or

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that the influence of the old nature still remains. It

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can't remain. If everything has been made new and the

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old is completely gone. And if everything has been made

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new and everything and the old is completely gone, then

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perfection is not only probable, it's possible. It should be expected.

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This points to the profound change and identity when someone

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becomes a believer. The new nature gives believers a new

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set of desires and empowers them to live for God. Well,

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if the new nature gives me a new set of

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desires and empowers me to live for God, then it

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would be a complete set of new desires, and there

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would be no old desires left over. Because you just

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quoted Second Corinthians saying that the old is gone and

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everything is new, So you can't quote a verse It says,

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if you're in Christ, you're a new creature. The old

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has passed away and all things have become new. And

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yet still argue that the old is somehow present. Either

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everything is new or it's not. Now I will argue

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Second Corinthians five seventeen is referring to the truth of

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my position has nothing to do with what's going on

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inside of me, or has nothing to do with my

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practical life. So already we have a con we have

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just this weird contradiction. Well, we have two natures. But

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the Old is not really a nature. I mean, it's

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been crucified, its dominion has been broken, but its influence remains.

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So according to this, what you see when you cut

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open the body is we have a new nature. It's perfect.

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It's powered. I mean that thing is. That thing is perfect.

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So if I go back to my analogy, Hey, headquarters,

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we just cut open another body. We found this one.

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It's got a new nature. And man, this thing is

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powered by God itself. It is perfect, it is holy,

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it is it's amazing. Well why isn't the body Why

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isn't this person operating correctly? Well we don't know why,

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but the nature is perfect. Remember the book The Six Secrets,

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try to argue, while the nature is that the body

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is still so the issue is the body. Well okay,

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but this, this whole view is just so confusing. So

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you have two natures, but reality, you only have one nature.

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You just have the residue of the old nature. But

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how can you have the residue of the old nature?

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Was Supposedly, if I'm in Christ, I'm a new creature,

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the oldest pastway, all things have become new. This, just

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this one makes literally no sense. Paul exhorts exhorts believers

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to put off your old self and to put on

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the new self created after the likeness of God and

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righteousness and holiness. Now what am I putting off? And

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what am I putting on? If everything inside has already

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been transformed? This shows that the new nature is not

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only given at conversion, but it is something that believers

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must actively live out. It still makes what am I

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putting off? There would be nothing to put off, because

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supposedly I'm a new creature and the oldest gone. See,

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even in these explanations, you'll find yourself totally baffled. Hey,

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you're a new creature. The old is gone. But wait,

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wait wait, you got to put off the old? Well

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what am I putting off? I thought the old was

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completely gone? Well, I mean it's not really gone. You've

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got to put it off. Well I thought I was

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being So is it done or is it not done?

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Nobody really has a clue. Everyone just says whatever they want.

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So we have kind of two natures, but really one nature,

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but yet the old nature is still somehow. There you

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go figure that out. I don't even know. You draw

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a diagram trying to explain that two natures, but one

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is broken and beaten down. The other one is dominant,

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powerful and then control. Yet Christians cannot be perfect. Yeah, yeah,

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that makes a lot of sense. All right, I don't

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even get that now. The tensions between the two natures.

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Most Christian traditions affirm that even though believers receive a

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new nature, the old nature is not entirely eradicated and

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this life. This results in an ongoing internal struggle between

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the old nature and the new nature. This is the

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source of the Christian battle against sin. So see this

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one is like, hey, you've got a new nature. It's perfect,

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it's powered by God. You're a new creation. Old has

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passed away. But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait

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wait wait, the old nature has not been eradicated. Well

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wait a minute, I thought you said it was crucified.

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I thought you said it was. So is it there?

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Is it not there? Well? Why do they have to

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somehow not completely? They can't completely kick out the old

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nature because if they do, they're going to have a

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hard time explaining sin. So in some ways they speak

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as if it's gone, but they will always revert back

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to bringing it back because they've got to explain why

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sin is continuing to happen. The whole thing just gets confusing.

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It says, for the desires of the flesh or against

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the spirit, and the desires of the spirit or against

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the flesh, For these are opposed to each other, to

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keep you from doing the things you want to do. Well,

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if the flesh is keeping me from doing the things

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I want to do, then the flesh is more powerful

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than the spirit. In many Christian and many Christian views,

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the old nature no longer dominates the believer's life because

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they are in Christ, but it still exhorts an influence.

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The new nature enables the believer to fight against sin

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and growing holiness, even though perfection is not attained in

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this life. See, even the description makes no sense. Wait,

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so the old nature is still there, right, It's still there, okay,

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but it no longer dominates. It no longer dominates. Listen

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to this just paragraph. The old nature no longer dominates

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the believer's life because they are in Christ, but it

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still exhorts an influence. The new nature enables believers to

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fight against sin, grow in holiness even though perfection is

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not attained in this life. The old nature's dominance is gone,

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00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.039
but yet you can't attain perfection. Whatever is keeping me

462
00:28:54.119 --> 00:29:01.440
from perfection is the dominant power. So what's keeping me

463
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:08.519
from perfection? The old nature or God doesn't want me

464
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:17.119
to be perfect? See if you see, the old nature's

465
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.400
dominance is broken, and the old nature has been crucified.

466
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.519
And you're speaking of this in practical terms, Well, then,

467
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.440
ladies and gentlemen, you can't blame the old nature for

468
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.599
you not being perfect? Huh? All right? If it's not

469
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.559
the old nature then, and that would mean the new

470
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.400
nature is in control and it's powered by God. Yet

471
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:43.759
I cannot get to perfection. That would mean God doesn't

472
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:50.039
want me to get to perfection. You're kind of you're

473
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:57.559
kind of trapped here, right, So there's the two nature view,

474
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:02.160
and those are the ones about nature. Now, in Christian theology,

475
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.319
the heart and biblical terms, is often seen as the

476
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:09.400
center of a person being, encompassing the center of a

477
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:16.160
person's being, encompassing the mind, will, emotions, and desires. In conversion,

478
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.680
many Christians believe there was a profound change in the heart.

479
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.480
Here are two different views emerged. Here are here too,

480
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.160
different views emerge about what happens to the old and

481
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.319
new heart. So we've got the two natures. But then

482
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.440
we have the idea of I guess two hearts. So again,

483
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.720
I've brought this question up a million times. Is the

484
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.440
nature and the heart different? Hey? Hey, headquarters, this is

485
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.960
patrol one. Okay, I moved on to another body. This

486
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.240
is getting really bizarre, Headquarters. I've cut this body open.

487
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.599
I've got an old nature, a new nature, an old heart,

488
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.799
a new heart. I got four things inside one body.

489
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.000
So do we have four things? Now? Supposedly the two

490
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.240
nature view is that, well, the old nature is really

491
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.799
kind of not there, but the influence is there. Okay,

492
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.279
So now do I have two hearts? Isn't the heart

493
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:15.279
and the nature synonymous, or do you completely divide them

494
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.319
the old heart. In the Old Testament, the heart is

495
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.519
often described as hard and deceitful Jeremiah seventeen nine. The

496
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:29.079
heart is deceitful above all things, is desperately wicked, desperately sick,

497
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.200
and who can understand it. This is the state of

498
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.680
a person's heart before conversion, rebellious, sinful, and inclined away

499
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.400
from God. So most people say, hey, that old heart,

500
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.599
that wicked heart, you don't have that. That's before you

501
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.039
were saved. Your heart was desperately wicked and deceitful above

502
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.359
all that. But somehow, magically you don't have that anymore.

503
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.920
At conversion. Many Christians believe God gives believers a new

504
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.240
heart and fulfillment of Old Testament promises like easy Uel

505
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.079
thirty six, where God says, I will give you a

506
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.079
new heart and a new spirit wall put within you,

507
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.720
and I will remove the heart of stone from your

508
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.839
flesh and give you a heart of flesh. Now immediately,

509
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.799
I already get ticked off. Ezekiel thirty six is not

510
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.880
about you. It's not about me. Ezekiel thirty six. Go

511
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.400
through the chapter. It says Israel, Israel Israel, Israel, Israel.

512
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.720
And then it says when they get a new heart,

513
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.599
immediately after they will be brought into the land that

514
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.799
was promised to their fathers. That is not you, That

515
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.920
is Israel. So stop quoting Ezekuel thirty six about you

516
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.440
getting a new heart. It has nothing to do with you.

517
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:42.039
It's about Israel. When they will be restored, they will

518
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.640
be regenerated, they will be saved, and they will be

519
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:48.200
brought into the land that was promised to them. If

520
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.480
we can get Ezekiel thirty six right, then I give

521
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.759
up a chapter that says Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, over

522
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:58.200
and over, and even make sure you understand which Israel

523
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.559
is referring to, because it's it says, the land that

524
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.039
I gave to your fathers, that's the nation of Israel.

525
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.960
It's not the Church. The new heart supposedly represents the

526
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.319
transformation of a person's inner being with new desires that

527
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.680
are inclined towards God. This new heart is a sign

528
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.400
of regeneration, the Holy Spirit's work of spiritual life to

529
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.880
a person who was spiritually dead. So supposedly, again with

530
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.279
this view, is hey, before you were saved, you had

531
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.440
two hearts or no, I'm sorry. Before you were saved,

532
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.000
you had one heart. It was old, and it was dead,

533
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.160
and it was corrupt, and it was deceitful, and it

534
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.799
was wicked. But in salvation God took out the old heart.

535
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.000
So now you only have one heart. So I only

536
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.480
have one heart that's completely a heart alive to God,

537
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.559
completely new. It's not deceitful, it's not wicked. Well, then

538
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.880
where is all the sin that comes from within me

539
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.400
coming from because Jesus seems to state that sin comes

540
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.480
from the heart. But if I have a new heart,

541
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:12.320
there would be no sin inside of me. So what

542
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.320
happens to the old heart? Well, now there's going to

543
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.400
be lots of different views here, and the reformed view

544
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.239
the old nature is defeated, but not entirely eradicated. It

545
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.000
continues to exert influence even though the believer now has

546
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.400
a new nature empowered by the Holy Spirit. Sanctification is

547
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.119
the is progressive process of putting to death the old

548
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.119
nature's influence while growing in the new nature. Now seeing now,

549
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.800
immediately this gets confusing because now we went from heart

550
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.639
back to nature. Well, wait, is it the heart or

551
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.159
is it the nature? Or is heartened nature just saying

552
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.679
the same thing. Now, I think there's no way to

553
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.639
separate heartened nature. I think heart and nature are the

554
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.519
same thing. They're synonymous. Right, there's no way we have

555
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.280
an old nature, new nature, an old heart new heart. No,

556
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:04.000
all right, no, So this is where it gets confusing.

557
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.440
So basically you have a new heart slash new nature.

558
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.599
But somehow there's something left of the old And so

559
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.079
then the way we get the way Christians get around it,

560
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.519
they think they sound so smart. See, it's just we

561
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.800
have to continue to fight against the influence of the

562
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.639
old nature. We're completely new. Well, if I'm completely new,

563
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:29.960
there would be no influence left of the old nature.

564
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.679
So am I completely new? Am I not completely new?

565
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.679
And again, if the new nature is just or if

566
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.280
the old nature is just there just to have some influence, Well,

567
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.800
that influence is strong enough to keep me from perfection,

568
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.400
meaning the old nature is stronger than the new nature.

569
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.239
That the old heart is stronger than the new heart,

570
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.159
even if it's been defeated, it's still stronger because it's

571
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:03.800
keeping me from perfection. The believer, this is more the

572
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:08.000
reform view. Positionally, we are sanctified in Christ, meaning that

573
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.880
we are fully sanctified in God's sight, but practically we

574
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.519
must grow in holiness through their life. The old nature

575
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.159
remains a source of temptation, but is no longer the

576
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.960
dominant power. Again, this makes no sense. Every Christian wants

577
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.000
to say, the old nature has been defeated, the old

578
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:26.880
Nature's dominion has been broken, but you cannot reach perfection.

579
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:34.920
What keeps me from perfection is dominant by any logical understanding.

580
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.599
The Lutheran view. Lutherans hold that the old nature is

581
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:51.480
still present, but no longer reigns. Luther described the Christian

582
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:56.000
as at the same time being righteous and a sinner.

583
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.360
The believer is fully righteous because of their union with Christ,

584
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.440
but they still zes sinful tendencies and a fallen nature

585
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.000
that won't be fully eradicated until glorification. Now, Luther goes

586
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.880
on to say, hey, you still have a fallen nature.

587
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.480
It's still there. It's just not the influence. The nature

588
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.639
is still there, all right, I completely, I definitely, there's

589
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.519
no way you're gonna tell me the old nature is

590
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.519
gone in any way shape perform. Here's what I will be.

591
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.440
I will just dogmatically this is a line in the sin.

592
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.000
I will not compromise on. We not only have an

593
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:32.719
old nature, it is dominant. The old nature is not broken,

594
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:36.360
the old nature is not defeated. Because it keeps you

595
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.360
from perfection. The only way to argue with me is

596
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.280
to show me you can be perfect. And if you

597
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.800
can't be perfect, what's keeping you from that perfection? Well,

598
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.800
you can try to use all the terminology you want,

599
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.440
but the end result is because there's still sin, and

600
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:56.079
that sin is dominant because it's keeping you from obeying

601
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.960
God's law. Just be holy as God is holy. I

602
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.719
can't Why can't you? I will say, because the call

603
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.119
is coming from inside the house, because Jesus said it

604
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.559
is from the heart that comes adultery, fornication, coveteousness, it's

605
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.760
from the heart. If those things still show up in

606
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.079
our lives, whether in thought, word or deed, by desire

607
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.920
internally externally, then it's because it's still inside of us,

608
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.280
and it's still inside of us. And if we can't

609
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.400
get to perfection, what is inside that's sinful is dominant

610
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.440
because it won't let you keep the law perfectly. There

611
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.760
is no other way to describe it that makes any sense.

612
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.159
The believer's heart is transformed, but they are still at

613
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.639
war with the old man or sinful nature. Now this

614
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.480
gets even more confused. All right, so the heart is new,

615
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.800
but we're at war with the old man or the

616
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.639
sinful nature. So is this drawing a distinction between heart

617
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.519
and nature? Now we're right back to this problem. Is

618
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:06.000
the heart and the nature the same are different? Now

619
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.039
this would be like, okay, well, okay, the old heart

620
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.519
is completely gone and I have a completely new heart,

621
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.280
but the old nature remains. So now it's a battle

622
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.079
between a new heart and the old nature. Well, even

623
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.280
if you describe it that way, the old nature is

624
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.119
obviously more powerful than the new heart because you can't

625
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:28.199
get to perfection. Sanctification is seen as a lifelong process,

626
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.920
and the Christian life is one of daily repentance and renewal.

627
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:35.920
Does that help you at all? Well, right back to

628
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:37.760
the same thing. So do we have a new heart

629
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.519
old heart? Is? Do we have two hearts? Do we

630
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.719
have two natures? Nobody can even come close to trying

631
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:48.880
to give us a picture that makes any sense? How

632
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:54.360
about the Wesleyan or many in view? In Wesleyan theology,

633
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.599
there is an emphasis on Christian perfection or entire sanctification.

634
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.519
The old nature is believed to be weak and progressively

635
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.960
overcome through sanctification, while sin remains in some form. It

636
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.719
is possible for believers to grow to a point of

637
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:13.840
entire consecration to God where the influence of the old

638
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.039
nature is minimized, though not completely eradicated in this life.

639
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.760
So even in the so called view of Christian perfection,

640
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.159
they still have to leave the door open to say, well, well,

641
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.039
sin is not completely eradicated. I mean, you can be

642
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.960
entirely consecrated, but we've got to still make an allowance

643
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:36.840
for some sin. No matter the view, they all have

644
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.400
to say, well, you can't get to complete perfection. I mean,

645
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.199
even if we call it Christian perfectionism, we still got

646
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.400
to say, well, there can be a little sin still

647
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.360
left everyone, no matter their theologists, to say, well, sin

648
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:49.719
is still going to be there. Sin is going to

649
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.239
still be there, while at the very same time saying

650
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.679
you're a new creature in Christ, the oldest gone, everything

651
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.920
is new. Well, at the same time saying the old

652
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.559
nature has been defeated and it's this dominion broken. But

653
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.360
b B B buy, but they're still going to be

654
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:11.079
sin and you still can't get to perfection. It's such nonsense.

655
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:15.440
It's just doubles why every Christian who goes to church

656
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.760
should be like, I know this makes no sense, but no, no, no,

657
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.920
you sit there, you say amen, you go home, and

658
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:25.840
you try to figure it out, and at some point

659
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.960
you just go along with what you've been told. You're

660
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.239
not thinking it, you're not trying to figure it out,

661
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.320
you're not struggling with it. Some Christians do, and they're

662
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.760
the ones who usually come to the end of their rope.

663
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.280
And just in Christianity doesn't work, and I can see

664
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.480
why they're within. Christianity doesn't work because it makes literally

665
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:51.280
no sense. According to the Wesleyan view, the heart is

666
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.760
transformed through regeneration and further sanctified through the process of

667
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:59.360
growth and holiness. So they don't really get into do

668
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.119
we have two hearts? Do we have two natures? All

669
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.480
the other views that somehow we either have we have

670
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.679
two natures, but one is kind of broken. We have

671
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.280
a completely new heart, but the old heart seems to

672
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.119
be completely gone. But some will say, well, you have

673
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:13.880
a new heart, but the old nature is still there.

674
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.559
So I don't do you have two hearts two natures?

675
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.599
Do you have one heart? One old name. How does

676
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:28.400
it work? Nobody knows. So to sum up the typical

677
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.239
Christian understanding of the internal makeup of a believer, this

678
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.719
is the basic teaching the old nature slash flesh. This

679
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.000
is the sinful, fallen nature that dominated a person's life

680
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.519
before conversion. After conversion, it no longer rules over the believer,

681
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.880
but its influence remains, creating an ongoing struggle with sin.

682
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.519
All right, So the idea is, according to at least most,

683
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.639
the old nature no longer rules. The old nature no

684
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:58.440
longer rules, but it's still there to influence. So the

685
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.199
old nature is not there anymore. The influence remains. It

686
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.800
does not rule, it does not have dominion, and of

687
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.960
course then they're gonna do double speak. Yet you can't

688
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:14.320
be perfect. The new nature is the new self created

689
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.599
in the likeness of Christ, given to the believer of conversion.

690
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.000
It is empowered by the Holy Spirit pursue holiness and godliness.

691
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.400
So you have a comp You supposedly have a new

692
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.239
nature that's in the likeness of Christ, that is empowered

693
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.559
by God himself. But you can't get to perfection. So

694
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.760
the old nature is weakened. It's just an influence Okay,

695
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.760
it doesn't rule, it doesn't have dominion. You've got a

696
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.400
new nature created in the likeness of Christ, empowered by

697
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:46.440
God himself, but you still can't get to perfection. Do

698
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.840
you see how, just utterly look, anybody listening to this

699
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.599
would be like your system is sounds like you don't

700
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:55.559
even know what you're talking about. It sounds like you're

701
00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:01.800
just making up stuff. The heart is often seen as

702
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.000
a transform is often seen as being transformed at conversion,

703
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.199
where God gives believers a new heart with a new

704
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.079
desire for holiness and obedience. Now just please note, okay,

705
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.880
we still haven't figured out the nature thing. But even

706
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.199
if you are struggling with the nature, this is where

707
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.519
things get confusing. If you've been given a new heart

708
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:27.119
with completely new desires, right, with completely new desires, and

709
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:31.440
you desire nothing but holiness, and you desire nothing but obedience,

710
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:37.719
that's your very desire. If your very desire is that,

711
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.360
then why you can't say, well, well, the problem with

712
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.519
you being perfect is you don't desire it. No, if

713
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.679
you've got a new heart that gives you new desires,

714
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.280
your desires are perfect. Every single one of your desires

715
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.840
should be perfect. You should have no corrupt desires, There

716
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.559
should be no sinful desires inside of you. But yet

717
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.920
we know that's not true. So then how can you

718
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.119
tell me I've got a new heart with new desires

719
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:04.239
when I still have the old desires? Where are the

720
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:11.159
old desires coming from? Now? This is where they say,

721
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:15.039
but what remains is the old nature. Well wait a minute,

722
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.880
so I have so now that almost inevitably we go

723
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:19.920
with a new heart, but the old nature. But they

724
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.480
already said that the old nature has been crucified, that

725
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.719
the old nature is no longer in charge. So if

726
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.960
the old nature is no longer in charge, shouldn't the

727
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.840
new nature, with its new desires overcome the old nature.

728
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.360
The Christian life is characterized by an ongoing struggle between

729
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.440
the old and new nature. So now it's going back

730
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.280
to that. The struggle is between the two natures. The

731
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:47.039
old nature continues to tempt believers, but the new Man,

732
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.239
the new nature, through the Spirit, gives the believer the

733
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.880
ability to resist sin and grow in holiness. Now just

734
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.119
listen to that, the new nature gives you the ability

735
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.920
to resist sin. Well, if the new nature is given

736
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:02.320
me ability to resist sin, then I should be perfect.

737
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:06.320
But yet countless times, what are we told you can't

738
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:13.760
be perfect? Then I don't have the ability. If you

739
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.159
tell me I have the ability to keep the law,

740
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.440
then I then perfection. And then then what would stop me?

741
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.239
If I have the ability and I have a new

742
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:28.159
heart giving me new desires, then perfection is it's it

743
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:32.280
would be instantaneous. I now have ability, and I now

744
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.599
have a desire. The desire is to be perfect, and

745
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.599
the ability is that you can be perfect. Therefore you

746
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.119
should be perfect. There should be no struggle, There should

747
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.599
be no sin, there should be no failure, there should

748
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:56.159
be no anything now. According to the Source, the internal

749
00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:00.480
makeup of a believer is complex and reflects the ongoing

750
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.599
tension between the old nature and the new nature. Well

751
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.079
believers are new creations in Christ with a new heart,

752
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.880
they still experience the influence of the old nature and

753
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.519
must engage in a lifelong battle against sin. Different traditions

754
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:16.119
emphasizes different aspects of the internal struggle, but all agree

755
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.599
that full perfection, the eradication of the old nature, will

756
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:24.039
only be achieved in glorification. So every tradition agrees that

757
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.360
you cannot get to true perfection, and some sin will

758
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:50.079
remain your entire life. Men, this is Patrol one headquarters.

759
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.679
Please come in. This is headquarters. Go ahead, Patrol one. Yeah,

760
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.840
we've cut open all three hundred of these bodies, and

761
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.159
we don't have a clue. We don't know. We don't know.

762
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.800
If we're seeing two natures, we're not seeing. If we're

763
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.119
seeing two hearts, we're not seeing anything. But the one

764
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.400
thing we are seeing is we don't know how to

765
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.800
define it because nobody seems to want to agree on

766
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.199
how to define it. But there is something inside these bodies.

767
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.159
There is something inside of these bodies that will keep

768
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:26.000
these bodies from following God perfectly. There is something inside

769
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.400
these bodies that will keep them from perfection, that will

770
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.559
not allow them to obey the law. So these bodies,

771
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:37.840
even if they're animated, even if they're responding, they're not

772
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.079
going to be perfect. They're going to live a life

773
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:48.599
of sin. What is it inside of us that will

774
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:53.079
that is controlling us? Whatever is inside of if you

775
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.800
can't get to perfection, it controls Look, I'm gonna be

776
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.559
I'm gonna make another dog. I'm gonna make another dogmatic

777
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.400
so you can write these three down. Number one, We

778
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:08.239
cannot keep God's law, saved or unsaved. Therefore we are

779
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:13.519
in a perpetual state of sin. What keeps us from

780
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:17.519
obeying the law. What keeps us and a perpetual state

781
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:23.079
of sin is the dominant power and force in your life.

782
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:28.400
There is no way to get around that. You can't say. Well,

783
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:31.800
you've got a new nature that is empowered by God himself.

784
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.199
You have new desires. Everything about that new nature is

785
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:38.920
perfect and right. You desire God. Everything is perfect. Well,

786
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.480
then you should be perfect. Well, no, there's something stopping you.

787
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.159
What's stopping me? Well, it's however you want to define it.

788
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:48.960
It's the residue of the old nature. It's the influence

789
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.360
of the old nature. It's the old whatever you wanted

790
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.480
to say. It is whatever, whatever this mysterious thing is

791
00:49:54.559 --> 00:50:00.280
that's inside of us. It is in control, it is dominating.

792
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:03.159
You say no, no, no, no, no no, it's lost

793
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:08.719
its control. It's lost its dominance. Then you should be perfect.

794
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:26.000
What keeps you from perfection is in control. So number one,

795
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:32.519
you cannot keep the law of God perfectly. Therefore number two,

796
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.719
you're in a perpetual state of sin. So number three,

797
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.679
what keeps you from keeping the law? What keeps you

798
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:44.360
from perfection is the dominant power, the dominant influence in

799
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:53.400
your life. So what is the hope. There's only one hope.

800
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.880
The hope is not overcoming sin in my life. The

801
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.119
hope is not becoming more godly in my life, because

802
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.639
no matter how much I supposedly overcome, no matter how

803
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.760
much I supposedly accomplish, it's still going to be sin, sin, sin.

804
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.679
I can brag that I'm overcoming that sinner, that's sin,

805
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.159
but I still have sin. It's sin. It may not

806
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:10.920
be your sin, it may not be that sin, but

807
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.639
their sin. The person broadcast, the person hosting this podcast

808
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.679
is a sinner. I am in a perpetual state of

809
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:19.880
sin twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

810
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.320
And you can act like you're not, but trust me,

811
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.440
you are as well. So then what's our only hope.

812
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.519
Our only hope is that is to continue to break

813
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.000
us and humble us so that we flee to only

814
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.519
one place there's any hope, and that is the imputed

815
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.199
righteousness of Christ. That is where we rest, and that's

816
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:41.639
where we stand, and in Christ Jesus, in Christ, I

817
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:47.119
am righteous, positionally, I am justified, and I am sanctified

818
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:56.280
perfectly in Christ. That is called positional justification, positional sanctification. Practically,

819
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:01.639
I am a sinner, and whatever sanctification you want to

820
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:05.800
talk about, it's just literally you can you can describe

821
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:09.480
sanctification any it's progressive, whatever, you know what it is.

822
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:13.559
It's just just moving sin around. Well, I don't commit

823
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.480
that sin, but I commit that said. Ok, I'm gonna

824
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.199
work on that sin, but I'm still committing that sin.

825
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.320
You can just you're just moving. You're just moving chairs

826
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.519
around on the deck of the Titanic. You're still going

827
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:27.199
down because you're going By the end of the day,

828
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:28.840
you're you know what you're gonna be saying. But the

829
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.440
end of the day, this is what you're gonna be saying.

830
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.840
Oh Lord, oh Lord, no day of my life has

831
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.639
passed that has not proven me guilty in your sight.

832
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.840
All things in me call for my rejection, All things

833
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.599
in you call for my acceptance. Grant me to hear

834
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:48.360
your voice assuring me that your stripes I am healed,

835
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:50.440
that you are bruised for my iniquities, that you have

836
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.599
been made sin for me, that I might be righteousness

837
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.199
in you, That my grievous sins, many sins, are all forgiven,

838
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.440
buried in the ocean of your concealing blood. Every day

839
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.039
you have to acknowledge your sin, your grievous sin, your

840
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.760
many sins, because you are guilty today just like you

841
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.679
were yesterday, and you're gonna be guilty tonight, just like

842
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.280
you are right now. No matter how many sins you confess,

843
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:18.199
no matter how many goals you set, no matter how

844
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:24.360
discipline you tried to be, You're going to sin. And

845
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:29.119
if I continue to sin continually, then stop this nonsense that, oh,

846
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.599
inside you've been completely transformed and inside you are a

847
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.480
new creature and the oldest gone. Well, if that is true,

848
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.760
then there should be no sin to fight against now.

849
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:50.199
Positionally I am a new creature, perfect Holy So number one,

850
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.800
you cannot keep the law. Number two. That means you're

851
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.920
in a perpetual state of sin. Number three, what's keeping

852
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:17.960
you from perfection is the dominant power. This is Patrol one. Headquarters.

853
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:22.679
Come in, go ahead, headquarters. Hey, I'm putting the knife away.

854
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:28.440
I'm leaving. I don't get it. I don't understand. I

855
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:32.840
just know that there's something inside these bodies that's keeping

856
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:38.199
them from obeying God. And it seems like nobody wants

857
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:41.800
to admit it, nobody wants to acknowledge it, and they

858
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.239
all want to create some fairy tale version that denies

859
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:51.519
the very reality that we all know we live. God

860
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:51.840
bless