Oct. 11, 2024

Ignorance and Heresy

Ignorance and Heresy

A discussion about Hosea 4:6 and Acts 17:11

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A discussion about Hosea 4:6 and Acts 17:11

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central.

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Good evening everyone.

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It is Thursday, October tenth, twenty twenty four. It is

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currently six ten pm Central Time, and I am coming

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to you live from the Theology Central studio located right

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here in Abilene, Texas.

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When I played the intro, there was the volume down

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a little bit. Was the volume down a little bit?

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You know why? Because the volume was down.

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So I'm just going to do it again just to

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make me feel better. Right, It probably is of no

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value to you, but it'll just be in my brain

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right the whole time.

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I'll be like, wait, I've got.

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To go back and listen to the intro to see

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if it was loud enough, because I think the volume

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was down way too much. Say, this is one of

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the negative things about me not monitoring the sound when

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I'm broadcasting. You know, most podcasters have headphones on, and

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I just know there's no way I'm going to sit there.

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We're headphones the entire time.

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No, so, so I don't hear the sound of well so,

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but let's we got to fix it.

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Right.

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So here we go, looking at our world from a

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theological perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central.

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Good evening, everyone, Yeah, welcome, Hey, I'm back. Oh it's

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still Thursday, October tenth, twenty twenty four. It is now

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six eleven pm Central time, and I'm still coming to

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you live from the Theology Central studio located right here

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in Abilene, Texas. And you can hear in the background,

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everyone in the entire neighborhood at the exact same time

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have went to their garage, grabbed their lawnmower, and went

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outside to mow their yard. Everyone in the neighborhood at

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the exact same time. It is a conspiracy. Ladies in

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just they monitor this broadcast and they do not want

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you to hear it. They don't want the truth to

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be known. They're working with the Illuminati. They're Reptilians, they're Satan. Okay,

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all right, Well, I mean there are all mowing their yards.

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But the rest of that is not true in any way,

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shape or form.

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But here we are.

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I hope that what we're about to do will be

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a little bit more beneficial than that entire introduction and

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starting it over and all of that. Hopefully none of

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that will distract you too much from what we need

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to do. But what we need to do is, well,

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we've got to continue what we were talking about earlier.

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Now here's a very important lesson I want everyone to

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take from this. All right.

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I've tried throughout the entire year of twenty twenty four

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to get everyone to download the sermons two point oh

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app and listen to one sermon per day randomly choose

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random sermons and then have and write them down in

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a notebook and then write down a little summary about

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what the sermon was about.

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And by the end of the year, you'll.

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Have one sermon for every one sermon per day for

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the entire year. Yes, I can't speak correctly sometimes, right,

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That was the goal and one of the things I

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really wanted people to try to understand. And I think

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some of you understand this. I don't know if everyone does.

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Is that I don't care if the sermon is good.

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I don't care if this sermon is bad. I don't

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care if you agree with it. I don't care if

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you disagree with it. If you're willing to put forth

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a little bit of effort, you can take any sermon.

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For the most part, there's always exceptions, but for the

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most part, you can take it and do something with it.

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You can you can turn it into something very beneficial,

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very productive. And I think a lot of people just

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kind of hear sermons and then they just move on.

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They hear it, and then they're onto the next thing, right,

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They just they hear it and they move on. They

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don't really spend time with it, talking about it, discussing it,

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thinking about meditating on it, just working on it in

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all kinds of different ways.

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But when you do that, and I hopefully I've tried.

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My best to try to demonstrate that to you guys.

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I have done sermon reviews where you've heard me just

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get frustrated.

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Get irritated.

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I'm throwing pencils, books, I'm throwing anything I can find.

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I'm making claims that I'm going to the liquor store,

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like all of those things. But then what happens, almost inevitably,

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not in every single case, but what happens the next day,

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maybe even a few hours later. I turned the microphone on,

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and what do I do? All Right, that sermon was

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about this, Well, let's work on it. Let's work on it,

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and so we may take their hypotheses, and then we

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may just do hour after hour after hour. Sometimes four

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or five hours of teaching may come from one sermon,

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and it may even be a sermon that I completely

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disagreed with. And it's not that I'm spending five hours

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to prove their hypotheses wrong. In many cases, we abandon

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their hypotheses and then we spend four or five hours

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doing our own work on the passage of scripture. And

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I hope you if you don't get anything from twenty

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twenty four, hopefully you've learned that is that you can

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grab the sermon's two point. Oh, Ap've just hit any

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sermon randomly, and if you'll just listen, think, take a

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few notes. You've got stuff to work on all day.

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But what I have noticed is that many Christians don't

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do a lot of discussing the sermons. I noticed that,

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even going way back when I was young, you would

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have church and then you'd have some pot luck, and

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nobody's talking about the sermons. Nobody's discussing the sermon, talking

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asking questions. Everyone's just moved on talking, And I'm like, well,

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didn't we just hear a sermon? Why is no one

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discussing the sermon that we just heard, Like I would think,

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sermons should bring forth discussion and thinking and meditating and

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just adding to it. Now, I know not obviously, we

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know as human beings we are very moody, right, and

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so sometimes our mood will be to discuss it. Sometimes

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our mood will just be to forget it. But I'm

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saying that I can't say a majority of the time,

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but a lot of the time sermons should incite to

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some le will motivate discussion. So earlier today we did

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a broadcast about Biblical ignorance, and it was on a

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sermon entitled the Dangers of Biblical Ignorance, all right, and

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so we reviewed part of that sermon. We reviewed a

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lot of it. I'm going to be returning to some

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of it here in just a minute.

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But it was.

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Based on Hosea chapter four, verse six. Hosea chapter four

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verse six, where we read these words, Are you ready

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here we go? Hosea chapter four verse six. If you

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can open a Bible and look there, that would be great.

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Hosea chapter four, verse six. We read these words. We

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read these words, my people, right now, this is God

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speaking to Israel. I think for the most part of

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the Northern Kingdom. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge,

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because thou hast rejected knowledge. I will so reject thee

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that thou shalt be no priest to me.

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Seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I

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will also forget thy children. Well, the sermon that we

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listened to took a.

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Kind of a very dog They made a very dogmatic

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assertion which was really the thesis of the entire sermon.

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And the thesis was this that Israel walked away from

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God due to their ignorance.

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Of God's word.

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And the idea basically was, if we're ignorant of God's word,

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if there's ignorance in us of God's word, we too

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could be in danger of walking away from God. And

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I challenged that hypothesis almost immediately. I'm like, I don't

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know if this is about ignorance of God's word. I

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think this is more about rejecting God's word. Now look

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at the verse carefully and see if you think this

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is about ignorance or about something else.

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Look at it.

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My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge because

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thou hast rejected knowledge.

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I don't think that they were ignorant.

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Of it, or they didn't know it, or they hadn't

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heard it, or they hadn't been taught it.

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I think the issue was.

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They had heard, they had been taught, It was available

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to them in many different ways, and they had rejected it.

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Let me see, I will also reject THEE, all right,

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So because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject

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THEE that thou shalt be no priest to me, seeing

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thou hast forgotten the law of thy God.

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See, it's not that they were ignorant of it.

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They had, in a sense forgot forgotten the law by

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walking away from the law.

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But it wasn't because of ignorance, all right, So I

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really challenged that.

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In fact, some summaries of my perspective would be something

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like this.

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Hoseiah four to six. The lack of.

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Knowledge described in this verse stems not from ignorance and

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the sense of never having been taught or never knowing,

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but rather from a wilful rejection of the knowledge that

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they had been given. Israel had been taught God's law,

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and they had heard his commandments, but they chose to

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turn away from it. The rejection of the truth they

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had received is what led to their spiritual downfall. So

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I'm not the only one who holds to that perspective.

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Others hold to the same perspective that I'm putting forth.

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My I'm challenging the way.

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The sermon went.

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The sermon basically was now at times he kind of

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he never really clarified. There was a lot of just

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kind of vagueness, like, hey, don't be ignorant of God's word.

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But I don't think they.

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Were ignorant of it. I think they rejected it. Now

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that means they didn't walk away because of ignorance. They

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walked away. They rejected it because of something else. See,

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if you put the blame on ignorance.

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Then this is basically the way it works.

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Any problem in your Christian life, any problem in anybody's

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Christian life, any sin, any so called walking away from God,

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is simply due to ignorance. So if you would just

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read your Bible more, memorize it more, then all of

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your spiritual problems would be fixed. And I think that's

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philologically incorrect. I don't think our problems with sin and

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walking away from God stems from our ignorance of scripture.

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I think it stems from something inside of us. So

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here's more about kind of my perspective. Israel's departure from

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God's word was not due to ignorance or a lack

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of exposure to God's word, but rather something internal, whether

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it was pride, stubbornness, or a desire for autonomy that

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led them to reject what they knew to be true.

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This internal rebellion or spiritual hardening is what caused them

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to turn away from the relationship they had with God,

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despite having been taught and exposed to his comments and

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coven it. Their failure was rooted in an intentional rejection

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rather than a simple.

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Lack of knowledge. And I really wanted to draw that distinction.

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This whole problem here doesn't like well, if they just

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were taught the.

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Word of God, all their problems would be resolved. No.

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I think they could have been taught and taught. Something

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else was driving their rejection of it. They were rejecting it,

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they were forgetting it, they were throwing it aside. It's

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not that they didn't know, It's not that they were ignorant,

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It's that they were rejecting it. What was leading to

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the rejection of it? I think what led to their

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rejection of it. The entire history of Israel is rejecting

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what God says. God tells them this, they rebel. It's

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not that they didn't know. Israel was told over and

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over and over and over, God sending prophets to them.

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They had the law written. I mean, we can go

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on all the different things Israel had, and they rejected it, rejected.

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Why is Israel's history one of constantly rebelling and rejecting

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and walking away from God's word has nothing to do

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with ignorance. It has everything to do with the same

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problem you and I have, which is our internal sinful nature,

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which rebels against God's word. But I'm going to I'm

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going to add something to this. All right now, I

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know most Christians are about to disagree with me, all right.

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But are you ready? I'm going to make an.

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Argument that actually, the more we know, the more we know,

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the more we are exposed to God's word, the more

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we see and hear the word of God, actually it

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incites rebellion and almost incites sin. And I believe this

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aligns with some of the teachings of the apostle Paul,

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particularly in his Epistles.

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Paul argues that knowing the law.

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Often actually increases the problem of sin rather than diminishing it.

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I want you to hear that again. Paul seems to

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argue that knowing the law often makes the problem of

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sin worse. It exasperates it. It almost makes it worse.

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Then diminish it, the way the Church constantly teaches. If

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they will just know the law, they will if we'll

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post the ten Commandments here, if we'll do this, then

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we will fix it. It exasperates the problem. It does

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not diminish the problem. Hearing the word of God does

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not diminish the problem. I think it actually creates.

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I know you've got some scripture that may you may

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try to argue against this, and I understand, but there

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is at least this is a theological discussion we at

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least need to have. From a biblical and philological perspective,

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it seems to be correct to suggest that people walk

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away from God purely.

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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From a biblical and theological perspective, it is incorrect. That's

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what I'm meant to say, to suggest that people walk

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away from God purely out of ignorance and Roman seven

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Paul specifically addresses the relationship between knowledge of the law

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and sin. And I'm going to reference Roman seven seven

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through eight. Roman seven seven through eight. What shall we

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say that the law is sin by no means? Yet,

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if it had not been for the law, I would

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not have known sin, for I would not have known

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what it is to cove it if the law had

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not said you shall not cove it. But sin, seizing

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an opportunity through the commandment produced in me all kinds

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of coveteousness. Paul argues that the law reveals what sin is,

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but it also stirs up rebellious desires within people. The

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law acts as a mirror, showing us our sinful tendencies,

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but it also incites rebellion by providing clear boundaries that

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the sinful nature then desires to transgress.

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The law incites, the word of God incites. It shows

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us what sin is, but then it will also do something.

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You want to break that. Come on, come on.

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I know it says don't touch, but touch. I know

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it says keep out, but you need to go in.

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I know it says don't, but you need to do.

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I know it says walk away, but you need to

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walk in. I know it says, don't look, but.

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You need to.

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You need to look for a very long time. I

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know it says, don't touch, oh, but you need to

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grab and hug it.

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Now. I know that that.

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I know immediately I'm gonna get all kinds of pushback here.

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But I think that I'm standing on somewhat strong philological

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ground here, the Word of God and sits rebellion, because

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our sinful nature is stirred up by law, by rules, rules.

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So just picture the sinful nature laying back on a

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you know, on a nice cushioned you know, I don't know,

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some kind of beach chair, just kicked back, drinking a

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mixed drink with an umbrella in it. The sun is shining,

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you can hear the waves crashing on the beach, and

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and and our sin nature is just chilling, and everything's good.

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hears thou shalt not. It throws off its hat, throws

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down the mixed drink, hops up and says, what are

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you telling me not to do? Because I'm going Who

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cares about rest and relaxation? I'm ready to I'm ready

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to do it.

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Now. I know the idea is that you know sin

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will keep you from the word of God, or the

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word of God will keep you from sin. I don't

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think I there there is.

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There is an aspect where I can understand that for

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a Christian the Word of God, and I think what

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the Word of God does is it shows us that

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it's sinful. And then if our minds have been changed

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to believe that the Bible is true, then we are

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confronted with this is what the Bible says. And I

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know it's a sin, I know it's wrong. But I think, then,

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but our my sinful nature, even though my mind may

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know it, my sinful nature. Now we get into do

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we draw a distinction between mind and nature? Oh boyd

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We're back to that thing, right. But there's a part

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of me that says, I may know it, but I

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want to do it. Paul argues that the law reveals

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what sin is, but it also stirs up rebellious desires

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within people. The law acts as a mirror showing us

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our sinful tendencies, but it also incites rebellion by providing

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clear boundaries that the sinful nature, that the sinful nature then.

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Desires to transgress. So the law acts.

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As a mirror, but it incites rebel by providing clear

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boundaries that the sinful nature then desires to transgress. Now

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I know, look, you can go to a thousand churches

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and about nine hundred and ninety eight of these are

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not going to teach what I'm teaching right here.

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But I believe it's scriptural.

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I mean, it's right there in Romans seven. When we

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went through the Book of Romans, going verse by verse.

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We haven't finished it, but our work on the Book

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of Romans, what did we We discovered this, and it

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really goes against the entire Christian mindset. It's like if

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we post the Ten Commandments in the you know, in

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the park and city hall and in the classroom, we

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will stop sin.

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No, you will just incite it. So I think that if.

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You say, well, hey, these people walked away with God

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from God because they did not know God's word, I

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will argue they will walk away from God knowing God's word,

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and they may walk even faster because it incites it.

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So then the issue is they didn't walk away because

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they didn't know that, walked away because they rejected but

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why did they reject it? Rejected Philologically, Theologically speaking, sin

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is more often framed as a rebellion rather than ignorance.

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Even in the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, sin

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wasn't due to ignorance.

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They knew God's command not to eat from the tree

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of the knowledge of good and evil, but they chose

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to disobey, and they didn't even have a sinful nature. Similarly,

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when we consider Israel's departure from God and Hoseiah, as

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we've discussed, it wasn't rooted in ignorance, but in a

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conscious rejection of God's ways. They had the knowledge of

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the law, but chose to follow their own path. The law,

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instead of leading them to greater obedience, revealed their sinful

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nature and led them into deeper rebellion. Now I know

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this is like some of you will be like, whoa

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wait a minute, this blows. This blows up everything I've

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ever been and taught as a Christian.

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I know it does. I know it literally blows.

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Because it'll be like, we need to teach the kids

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and the church the Ten Commandments. We need it so

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that they'll grow up to be good little boys and girls.

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Know all you're going to do is in sight those

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little little vipers to do more rebellion. That's all you're

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going to do. So when you teach the Ten Commandments

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the kids, you have to say, look, you're going to

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want to do these things.

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You're going to break these things.

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What you need to be confronted with when you do

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this is to understand that you are sinning and that

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their only hope is in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

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We think it'll make them behave. Now it may work temporarily,

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depending on the age, but they'll come a time that

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the more of that law that they've heard, the more

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they're going to want to rebel against it, because that's

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what the sinful nature does. Throughout Scripture, human nature is

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shown to resist God's authority, the hardest, deceitful above all things,

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and desperately sick or desperate wicked who.

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Can understand it.

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This internal inclination towards rebellion drives people away from God

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even when they know his commands.

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It is philologically consistent.

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To argue that people don't walk away from God due

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to ignorance alone. Instead, the Bible presents a deeper issue.

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The knowledge of God's law reveals and even incites sin

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when in turn motive, which in turn motivates rebellion.

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The law acts as a catalyst.

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For the sinful nature, exposing the heart's true inclinations. Walking

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away from God, therefore, is driven more by an internal

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resistance and rebellion than a lack of understanding. The understanding

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of the relationship between law and sin adds a layer

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of complexity to the human condition and our need for grace,

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as knowledge alone cannot bring about righteousness. Rather, it reveals

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our need for the Savior. Yes, that's exactly what I

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was trying to say, but it says it much better

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than I did.

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So my entire thing. When we come to Hebrews four six,

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it's like, hey, their entire, their entire idea that Israel

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simply walked away because of they didn't know. It's just

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not biblically true. They walked away because.

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Something was wrong inside of them, just like it's wrong

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inside of us. Our lack of knowledge is because of

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it's because of rejection. It's not that we did not know.

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Israel was taught the word over and over and over

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and over and over and over and over and over,

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but they rejected it more and more and more and more.

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So what we have to always be aware of is

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the more I read my Bible, the more it may

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actually incite sin. What I have to do is be

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willing to acknowledge this. The more I read, the more

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I see my sin, the more I need to acknowledge

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how I'm being in sight, how my insides, how my

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nature is being motivated towards it.

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I gotta be willing to acknowledge it and then be

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broken by it, and they be driven to the cross

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and then say, Okay, Lord, I need your forgiveness because

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I'm a sinner and thought word indeed by why I

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desire to do, and by everything inside of me, and.

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Just be willing to admit it. But I think Christians

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are not willing to admit. We have this very wrong

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conception of how this works. We think I'll just memorize

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these five verses and I'll stop sinning. You may memorize

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five verses that may actually incite sin, but you won't

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admit that.

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Now.

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Am I saying don't memorize scripture. I'm not saying that,

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because it's by knowing scripture that I am reminded that

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it is sin. See the scriptures are constantly saying, see,

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this is sin. So it's telling me what sin is,

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so that it destroys what I want sin to be.

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Or not to be. Because what if I can.

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Determine what right and wrong is, ladies and gentlemen, I'm

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going to be doing a lot of things tonight. Okay,

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So let's not I can't make that determination. God's word

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says it's a sin.

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I don't like that, all right, So I need God's

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word for that reason. Second, it shows me you're already

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guilty of it even though you haven't done anything.

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And hey, and then it also will demonstrate to me

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you really want to do it, much more than anybody

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else even knows. And then it will show me you

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need to run to Christ.

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Israel did not walk away because of a lack of

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knowledge is in a sense of being ignorant of it.

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They were destroyed.

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Because they continue to rebel against it, and especially in

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a covenant relationship with God. Remember Israel's in a covenant

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relationship with God that said, if you do this, you

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get blessings. If you don't, you're gonna get the curses.

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In judgment, they got the curses, but God still maintain

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his all overall covenant with them, which is that one

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day they will be his people, He will be their God.

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They will get a new heart.

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Okay, he get into all of that from you know,

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study it from from the you know, a perspective of eschatology.

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But we won't go in there.

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So we I challenged this entire perspective, right, so we

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we covered that.

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I just wanted to double down on that. Okay, just

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stay with me, Stay with me all right. Now.

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The next thing that he talked about, which was really

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weird in the sermon, and a lot of this you

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can go back and listen to the last one I

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did today, right on biblical ignorance. Now we're gonna we're

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gonna take this idea of biblical ignorance and we're gonna

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move it to the.

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Subject of heresy.

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But before we get there, we have to we have

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to take some time right here, right, we have to

478
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we have to stop right here and discuss it.

479
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Right in the sermon, he made this kind.

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Of weird assertion that pastors, Sunday school teachers, deacons, and elders,

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they've got to know the scriptures better than everyone else.

482
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They've got to know it, they've got to study it.

483
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But you can't expect the average you know, housewife and

484
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the guy who goes to work, the average person.

485
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They're not expected.

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To know the Bible as good as a pastor. They're

487
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not expected to study it as much and to dig

488
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into it as much. That's more for the pastors, not

489
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for the average layperson. And I immediately kind.

490
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Of pushed back on that. Well, wait a minute.

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In the non Catholic system, we've created a system that

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says that the people in the pew are the ones.

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Who actually judged the preaching. So how can you judge

494
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the preaching if.

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You're not studying as much or even more than the pastor,

496
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if you're the one sitting in judgment. So I immediately

497
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had a little bit of pushback. But even in the sermon,

498
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even after he said that, he then read Acts Chapter seventeen,

499
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verse eleven, Acts seventeen eleven, where he says these were

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more noble than those in Tessala and Nika, and that

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they received the Word with all readiness of mind and

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searched the scriptures daily.

503
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Whether those things were so.

504
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So he's like, Okay, all of us are supposed to

505
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be like the Bareans here. And so what we're supposed

506
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to do is study the Bible within this would be

507
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every single day. And then you, as a church member,

508
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should be studying the Bible every single day so that

509
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you can judge whether what you hear is true or false.

510
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That means that you would be an absurd I mean,

511
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we'll see absurd. It would be an insane level of

512
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responsibility that you have to know the scriptures to such

513
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a level that you can judge every single sermon whether

514
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it is true or false.

515
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I don't know how you can.

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Then negate that and say, well, you know, it doesn't

517
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mean you have to know as much or know more

518
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of but I think logically it demands that. Now I

519
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:56.599
started looking up different things. Now, some acknowledged the problem

520
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that I'm presenting here, but they tried to push back

521
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a little bit. So I'm going to go with a

522
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.680
source here that pushed back a little bit. And you

523
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.480
can see what you think of here, all right, So,

524
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and I'm I utilized AI here in part to come

525
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up with this. So I basically this is how AI

526
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responded to me, or at least at the beginning of

527
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.599
this is AI. The interpretation of Acts seventeen eleven within

528
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non Catholic Christianity, particularly among Protestants, emphasizes the responsibility of

529
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each believer to engage in personal study of the scriptures,

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assessing teaching for alignment with biblical truth. Act seventeen eleven

531
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refers to the Bahreans who receive the Word with all eagerness,

532
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examining the scriptures daily to see if those things were so.

533
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This is often cited to encourage believers to verify what

534
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they hear from preachers or teachers by studying the scriptures

535
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for themselves. Now Ai said, however, your point raises an

536
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:58.079
interesting challenge. If the average layperson is to evaluate the

537
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pastor's teaching, how would they be equipped to do so

538
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if they don't have the same or greater level of

539
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biblical knowledge, theological training, or interpretive skill as the pastor.

540
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Here are several several factors and implications of this idea.

541
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Now Ai is going to push back a little.

542
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Bit on my assertion.

543
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My assertion is, now, wait a minute, So if we're

544
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gonna talk about ignorance, because this is what he did

545
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in the sermon, Hey, the people of the people of

546
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.079
Israel were destroyed because of a lack of knowledge ignorance. Again,

547
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he instead of going with rejection, he kind of went

548
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with ignorance. So then he turned to the average person

549
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.680
in the pew, Hey, don't be ignorant of God's word.

550
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So that means you need to study. But then he

551
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then he made kind of an allowance.

552
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Hey, for those of you who are not pastors, Okay,

553
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.319
you don't have to study as much. However, then he

554
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.200
goes to Act seventeen eleven, saying, but you can't be ignorant.

555
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You've got to be so knowledgeable that you can judge preaching.

556
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But you don't have to study as much as the pastor.

557
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I don't know. If you're not studying as much as

558
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.960
the pastor, how can you then judge the pastor. I

559
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.400
don't even know how this works, just a basic logical.

560
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I don't like. It just seems to defy all logic.

561
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So AI is going to push back a little bit

562
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on me here, and we can see to I would

563
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:13.880
like to argue with AI in real time here, but

564
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.559
I'll just argue with what it presented, all right. So

565
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.000
it says the role of the pastor versus the lay person.

566
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Pastoral training. Pastors often have formal philological education, training and

567
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.759
exegesis in interpretation of scripture, experience with your original language

568
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.519
as Greek and Hebrew. They also spend considerable time studying

569
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Biblical texts to deliver accurate sermons lay person's knowledge and contrasts.

570
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Lay people typically have less formal training, though they still

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may be deeply committed to personal Bible study. Churches often

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encourage believers to study the Bible through devotionals, group Bible studies,

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and personal reading plans. The expectation is not that every

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church member will possess equal knowledge, but they should be

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diligent and seeking understanding. While pastors provide spiritual leadership, the

576
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.160
layperson's role is to engage in the study of scripture

577
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:10.799
to ensure that the teachings align with scripture. Okay, So

578
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if the layperson's responsibility is to study enough to know

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that the preaching is aligning with scripture, they've got to

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know the scripture as good as the pastor.

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How else are you.

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Going to be able to say this aligns or doesn't align.

583
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So you're saying that the pastor has all of this

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formal training. The people without the formal training are the

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ones the're supposed to say that doesn't align with scripture.

586
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Couldn't the pastor then say, you don't think it aligns

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with scripture because you don't know, you don't have this study.

588
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You've not studied this. You've not studied this, you're not

589
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studied this.

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So can the pastor say there the pastor's supposed to

591
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go wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, you're right, well wait,

592
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.759
who's the authority? Now everybody said, well, the Bible's the authority. Okay, Well,

593
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if the Bible's the authority, then both parties would have

594
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to know the scriptures equally for one to be able to.

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Judge the other correct.

596
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.680
Now, again, what does this have to do with a

597
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.440
Hosea passage? I think this is where the sermons started

598
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getting way off track.

599
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:10.839
I don't. I think this is a distraction.

600
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The Hosea passage is about rejection, not about ignorance, okay,

601
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and the way that this is being handled.

602
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.240
So, but the.

603
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Pastor in this sermon was basically being like, no, you've

604
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got to know the scripture. I mean, you don't have

605
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.680
to know him as good as a pastor, but you've

606
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:26.279
got to know him enough to be able to determine

607
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:27.880
if what's being preached is true or false?

608
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.880
How much knowledge is required for someone to be able

609
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to tell?

610
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I mean, like, for example, how much while we could

611
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just talk about any area of expertise, how much knowledge

612
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must you be able to possess before you can tell

613
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.799
the expert in the field that they're wrong. Now, I know,

614
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.160
in twenty twenty four in America, everybody thinks they're an

615
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:49.160
expert on everything.

616
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So I I.

617
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They go on to say, community accountability, collective discernment many

618
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Protestant traditions emphasizes the idea of the priesthood of all believers,

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meaning that each believer has the Holy Spirit and the

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capacity to engage with scripture. This doesn't mean every individual

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is an expert, but within a church community there is

622
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:16.759
collective discernment, discussions and biblical studies or fellowship groups help

623
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.680
clarify doctrinal issues and keep teaching accountable.

624
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Now, teachers accountable.

625
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.799
Now this I already get nervous because now we supposedly

626
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.839
have well, each believer has the Holy Spirit to help

627
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.599
them understand the scriptures. Well, we know how that's worked

628
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.759
in two thousand years of church history. If you have

629
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the Holy Spirit helping you interpret scripture, and you come

630
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.279
up with a different interpretation than I come up with,

631
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and I have the same Holy Spirit giving me an interpretation.

632
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.839
Either the Holy spirits lying or we're both lying about

633
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.240
having the Holy Spirit. And if the Holy Spirit the

634
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.480
one who gives us the interpretation of biological inference, that

635
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.200
would mean the interpretation is infallible, So that old system

636
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just falls completely apart.

637
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That's just insanity.

638
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When the Bible speaks of the Holy Spirit leading into

639
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all truth, that's a reference to the apostles and the

640
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.319
writers of the New Testament, not to us, because it

641
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.960
just literally makes no sense. If the Holy Spirit's leading

642
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.199
us into all truth and helping us know whether what

643
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is being preached is true or false, then we should

644
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all have the same understanding. We shouldn't have one hundred,

645
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.960
you know, thousands upon thousands of differences about basically every

646
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:29.519
doctrinal issue you can find in the Bible. It says, well,

647
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lay people may not have formal training. Their role is

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to approach teaching with humility, prayer, and study, seeking help

649
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from more knowledgeable sources when needed.

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In this way, and now see when.

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You say you've got to the lay person has got

652
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to seek information for more knowledgeable sources, you realize what

653
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.239
that's going to lead to. Your pastor preaches something you

654
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.039
don't like, so you go to a more knowledgeable source

655
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known as the Internet, and you're like, the pastor says

656
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.639
God is not done with Israel? Is God done with Israel? Oh,

657
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.960
here's an all millennial site that says God is not

658
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done with this rule. Then they copy, basically memorize that.

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Go back to the pastor and say you're wrong. Why

660
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.719
you're wrong because I read on Google this. Well okay,

661
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:09.480
well then.

662
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.679
I don't even understand how that even works.

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In this way, the church functions as a community where

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pastors provide guidance, but everyone is encouraged to hold teaching,

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to hold the teaching to the standard of scripture. But

666
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when you say everyone is supposed to hold teaching to

667
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the standard of scripture, who gets to determine what the

668
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scripture say? Everyone can say, Hey, we've got to hold

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all teaching to the scriptures. But we've got two thousand

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years of church history where every form of teaching all

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claims to come from the Bible. The Calvinist believes it

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comes from the Bible. The non Calvinist believes it comes

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from the Bible. The amillennialist believes it comes from the Bible.

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The dispensationist believes it comes from the Bible. You name

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the system, you name the doctrine, you name the interpretation.

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Everyone's believes it comes from the Bible. E where interpretation

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comes from the Bible. So that really means nothing. We

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all have to hold it to the standard of scripture.

679
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:14.719
But whose definition of what the Bible teaches? And then

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this one really bothers me. Non Catholic Christianity often teaches

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that the Holy Spirit plays an essential role and illuminating

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scripture for every believer. The argument is that though the

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Holy Spirit, through the Holy Spirit's guidance, even those with

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00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:33.199
less formal education can discern truth, this doesn't negate the.

685
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Need for diligence study.

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Let it suggests that spiritual insight is available to all believers.

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So this is the idea, and I completely reject this.

688
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You have the Holy Spirit, I have the Holy Spirit.

689
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Holy Spirit gives me the understanding. Well, if the Holy

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Spirit is the one giving the understanding, then why do

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we have Bible colleges and seminaries. I'm already opposed to

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the entire seminary industrial complex. Local churches should be doing

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the training.

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But I digress. But you wouldn't need anything. You would

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become saved, you.

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Would have the Holy Spirit. He would teach you, and

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your knowledge would be perfect because it comes directly from God.

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But it doesn't work that way. Two thousand years of

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church history, there is literally just.

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Think about it.

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There is no agreement on baptism. There is no agreement

702
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.440
on the Lord's Supper, there is no agreement on the

703
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:26.800
word repentance. There is literally no agreement on anything. Now

704
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I know that you said, well there's some things. Okay,

705
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.199
Well you can try to argue there is salvation. Are

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00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.280
you sure, because there's no agreement really on how salvation

707
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.679
works or doesn't work. You've got everything from free grace

708
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to lordship and everything in between.

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And we talk Calvinism, are Minianism. We could go on

710
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and on and on.

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This entire subject creates a potential tension between trusting pastoral

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authority and exercising personal discernment and practice. Most church members

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trust their pastors to be theologically sound while still maintaining

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00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.920
the responsibility to study scripture for themselves. However, if members

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feel they must constantly scrutinize the pastor. It could lead

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to a sense of skepticism or distrust towards church leadership.

717
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.719
If each believer is encouraged to judge teaching based on

718
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.079
personal study, it opens the door for doctrinal differences. Individual

719
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.599
interpretations can lead to diverse views within a congregation or

720
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.119
even between denominations. While the intent is to ensure accuracy,

721
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:43.920
the result can sometimes be divisions or fragmentation over doctrinal disagreements.

722
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.920
And that's exactly what has happened.

723
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.599
So I'm going to say, if we're going to believe

724
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.559
that all Christians are to be like the Bareans, that

725
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.480
means they need to study the Bible every single day

726
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:00.559
to such a level that they can then justgudge with

727
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.599
what's being preached is true or false. And if the

728
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.159
people in the pew are judging what is being preached

729
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.519
is true or false, then the authority of the church

730
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.519
is the people sitting in the pew, not the person preaching.

731
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.679
And then what happens if the people in the pew

732
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.079
disagree with one another, then who's the authority?

733
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.559
Well, then it becomes majority rule.

734
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.880
Right If the majority can then you say, well you

735
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:27.559
need elder rule, and then the elders decide. Well, so

736
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:33.360
then the elders their interpretation trumps the interpretation of the people. Well,

737
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.920
I thought the people had the right to be like

738
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.320
the Bereans, to determine whether what is being preached is

739
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:47.639
true or false. So those so I disagree that Hoseiah

740
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.280
four to six is that these people just did not know.

741
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.320
I think the issue is they knew and they rejected.

742
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.239
Where does rejection come from? It comes from inside of us,

743
00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:00.480
our sinful nature? What creates that rebellious nature? What can

744
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.320
incite it? Actually, knowledge can recite it, can incite it?

745
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:04.960
All right?

746
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.400
And then how much knowledge are you supposed to have? Well,

747
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.400
if the people in the pew are supposed to judge

748
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.519
the preaching, then their knowledge, I think would have to

749
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.760
be equal or supersede the people they're judging. I don't

750
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.440
know how you can get around that. You can play

751
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.119
all the games you want, I don't think you can

752
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.719
get around it. Now this leads now to the rest

753
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.639
of this sermon, and it's going to be about heresy.

754
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.159
Are you ready?

755
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:37.679
Here we go, spiritually speaking, a very dangerous situation. In fact,

756
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:41.119
today we're living in an hour in this country where

757
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:53.840
we see more apostasy, more apostasy, more heretical teachings normalized.

758
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.880
Now we live in a day and age where we

759
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.679
see more heretical teaching being normalized. Now here's the question,

760
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:06.559
who gets to define what is heretical teaching? Now you say, well,

761
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.440
the Word of God. But the people who you call

762
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.440
heretics are using the same Bible to say.

763
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:13.119
You're the heretic.

764
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.400
So that heretaic is telling me that I'm a heretic,

765
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.880
and I'm telling them that they're heretic. And we're both

766
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.039
citing the Word of God as the source to declare

767
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.760
the other person heretic. Someone's got to be wrong. Who's wrong?

768
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:29.400
Who gets to make the final determination? Well, the people

769
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.159
making the final determination? Are they not the authority and

770
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:33.079
not the scriptures?

771
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:43.400
And applauded. I saw just the other day a picture

772
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:48.199
of a young man who has he's just visited this church,

773
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.480
maybe two or three times he's visited here, and I

774
00:41:51.519 --> 00:42:02.159
saw his picture with Greg Locke. They're smiling him, embraced.

775
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.320
You said, I don't know who Greglock is. I'm so

776
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.480
glad you don't know who Greglock is. He's one of

777
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:15.639
the leading heretics today. Teaches things that if you don't

778
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.599
know who he is. Remember a few years ago, a

779
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.719
preacher got up said that autistic children are demon possessed. Y'all,

780
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:26.599
remember that that's that guy. That guy, And here's a

781
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:32.000
young man. He's visited here two or three times, but

782
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.480
he wanted his picture taken with Greg. I'm not saying

783
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:35.840
he needs to have his picture taken with me, don't

784
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.440
misunderstand me. I'd rather have not had my picture taken.

785
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.440
But I was shocked to see him stand there with

786
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:45.559
Greg lock. That lets me know that's the direction he's

787
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.079
being pulled because he doesn't know what the Bible says.

788
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.760
Now, I can't stand the teaching of Greglocke. We've talked

789
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.559
about him. I can't stand his teaching, right, I can't.

790
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:02.239
But did you hear what he says? He's getting pulled

791
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.880
in that direction because he doesn't know what the Bible says.

792
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.719
Is it because he doesn't know what the Bible says,

793
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.679
or he knows what the Bible says and he's interpreting

794
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.400
it differently than you see. To say he doesn't know

795
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.000
would be like, here's this person, he's just completely ignorant

796
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.119
of scripture. He doesn't know it in any way shape

797
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.840
or form. He doesn't know it. Now, see, Yes, that's

798
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.800
a major assertion, is to assume someone who believes in

799
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.119
a way different than you that they don't know what

800
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.239
the Bible says. They may very much know what the

801
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:40.519
Bible says. I'll give you a good example, all right.

802
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.239
I was a student at a particular school.

803
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.480
This person who taught the Word of God, who was

804
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:52.199
in charge of the school, was amillennial in his eschatology,

805
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.199
very much a part of Reform theology, believed in Sola scripture,

806
00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:01.679
greatly opposed to the Charismatic movement, completely believed in the

807
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:07.920
Reformation teaching of salvation, the doctrine of election, sovereign grace. Okay,

808
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.840
and that's I was learning all of these things. Everything

809
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.000
was going great. I was going to their school. I

810
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.880
was taking Greek, there was a Hebrew course. I was

811
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.320
working on all kinds of things.

812
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:23.320
I'm studying, taking tests, sending in papers. I was working, working, going,

813
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:24.960
And then all of a sudden, and this.

814
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.960
School that were connected to a very famous Christian radio network.

815
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.880
And so one night I'm driving home from church because

816
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:34.719
the man in charge of the school, one of my

817
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.239
major the major teacher of the school. He does a

818
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.800
call in program. He does a call in program, and

819
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.039
so I'm driving home from church. Here's you know, my

820
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:50.199
main teacher. And then he starts telling everyone the world

821
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:56.360
is coming to an end in nineteen ninety four, and

822
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.920
I almost wrecked the car. I'm like, what is how

823
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:03.800
right now? The world is coming to an end in

824
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:07.079
nineteen ninety four. This is not like some you know,

825
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.480
this is like reformed a.

826
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.679
Millennial, like, what is going on here? What? What? What

827
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:14.119
is going on?

828
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.119
And he's going to put out a book called nineteen

829
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.119
ninety four And I'm like, what is happening? It chaos,

830
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.360
their RUPs, everybody's trying to figure out what's going on?

831
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.440
What's happening? Obviously that was Harold Camping Family Radio, School

832
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:26.039
of the Bible.

833
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.639
Family Radio was the name of the Christian radio network.

834
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.039
And then it just aspiraled out of control. Then nineteen

835
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.239
ninety four came and went. Then he said the church

836
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.639
Age had come to an end and that everyone has

837
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.119
to leave their local congregations. If you stay in the

838
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.719
local congregation, you've taken the mark of the beast. It

839
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.320
just got in say that the church Age was over.

840
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.159
And then so basically Family Radio was to be even

841
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.239
though it's not a church's basically to be your church.

842
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:51.440
And you're like, what is going on?

843
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.480
And then next thing you know, he's saying that the

844
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:54.960
actual end of the world was going to be in

845
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.360
two thousand. I can't remember what the year was. And

846
00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.480
then it just got worse. He ended up having a stroke.

847
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.960
He finally repented of a lot of this nonsense. He

848
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.599
wrote all kinds of books about it. It was craziness,

849
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:05.679
it was insanity.

850
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:06.400
But guess what.

851
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.880
Don't tell me the man didn't know the word of God,

852
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.360
because I heard him teach the Word of God over

853
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.239
and over. I heard him teach all the way through

854
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.519
the Book of Hebrews, through the Book of Ruth, through the.

855
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:16.320
Gospel of Mark.

856
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:18.840
I could go on and on, law, verse by verse,

857
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.800
taking years to go through it, knowing.

858
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.480
Reading it, reading it, reading it, reading it, reading it,

859
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.000
reading it, reading it. He built his entire radio network

860
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.079
about the Word of God, where it was being read

861
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:33.760
without commentary time and time again throughout the day. He

862
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:38.760
knew it. He knew it. He knew it.

863
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.000
You can't just say, well, this person, well, the reason

864
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.280
he's with Greg Luck is because he doesn't know the

865
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:44.880
word of God.

866
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.360
I would love to believe.

867
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.199
That knowing it would prevent this, but it No, there's

868
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.320
something about interpreting it.

869
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:53.800
See.

870
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.039
I typically would say ignorance of God's word is the

871
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.920
soil in which deception can be planted, and I in

872
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.159
some ways I still stand by that to some level,

873
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:04.519
but there's a part of me that says, I don't

874
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.639
know if that's the case anymore, because people know God's

875
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.639
word and they can be deceived to believing anything.

876
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:14.760
So then it's like, well, is it about knowing it

877
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:20.519
or is it about interpreting it? Now, when it comes

878
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.960
to interpreting it, ladies and gentlemen, there is no agreed

879
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:28.840
interpretation of it. There just isn't.

880
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:34.280
There is no agreed upon interpretation of the word. If

881
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.239
you think there's not even agreed upon principles of it,

882
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:42.119
I'm sitting behind my pulpit at Victory Baptist Church. On

883
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.880
a table is a book on hermoneutics, right, and it

884
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.199
goes through all the systems of hermonutics, going all the

885
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:54.880
way back from Judaism throughout the entire early Church, going

886
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.920
through this system, the allegorical system, then this system, then

887
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.360
this system, then in this system, and then even those

888
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.400
who say that they agree upon a certain system of hermonutics,

889
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.239
in many cases will violate the very system that they

890
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.400
say that they believe in when it comes.

891
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:11.119
To interpreting certain passages of scripture.

892
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.800
Because no one holds your hands and say, wait, wait, wait, wait,

893
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.199
these are the rules of interpretation based on your system

894
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:20.559
of hermeneutics, and you.

895
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.000
Must follow that. No, it's a free for all. I

896
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:24.280
can interpret a verse this way.

897
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.000
How many times have we seen people who would hold

898
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:32.000
to the same hermeneutical principles I hold to go to

899
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.719
Ezekiel was it thirty six and where it says Israel Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel,

900
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.679
Israel Israel. They kick Israel completely out of the chapter

901
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:40.880
and say, oh, a new heart.

902
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.079
That's about you and me? What where did that come from?

903
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.480
How many times people who supposedly hold to the same

904
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.880
hermonutical system that I hold to goes to Jeremiah and

905
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.440
where it says, oh, the plans I have for you

906
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.920
are to bless you, and they apply it to us.

907
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.320
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that's promise for

908
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.039
those coming out of Babylonian captivity. Do you know people

909
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.480
coming out of Babylonian captivity. Why are you that's a misinterpretation,

910
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:11.039
But no, it doesn't matter, does not matter, And any

911
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.719
rejection of their interpretation, they would just simply say I

912
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:15.199
am wrong.

913
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.400
So his argument is.

914
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:26.880
People walk away from God because they're ignorant of scripture.

915
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.559
And I don't believe that's what the passage is even saying.

916
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.159
And I will argue are walking away from God has

917
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:34.960
nothing to do with how much we know of scripture.

918
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.960
It's because of the internal rebellion inside of us, and

919
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:41.440
knowing scripture may actually incite it. Number two, he is

920
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.880
making the claim that not knowing scripture is what leads

921
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.679
someone to heretical beliefs.

922
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.480
And I say that's not the case.

923
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:04.400
Myself and Kelly and the Hugheses we sat with someone today.

924
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.280
They looked at us and said, thank you for telling

925
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:11.400
me that I don't have to get baptized to be saved.

926
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:18.400
It's the first time they'd heard that. Thank you for

927
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:20.960
telling me I don't have to be baptized to be saved.

928
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.360
Somebody has not declared that that individual the truth of

929
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.679
God's word. This is a person who's visited churches in

930
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:32.519
this area and did not know you don't have to

931
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:36.480
be baptized to be saved, just in case you're wondering,

932
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.760
you don't have to be baptized to be saved.

933
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.679
And guess what others would say, you do and they

934
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:50.119
would cite scripture. Others would say, well, you don't have

935
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.559
to be baptized in order to be saved. But if

936
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.400
you reject being baptized, then you approve you were never saved.

937
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.079
Others would say, well, you could be saved and never

938
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.719
get baptized and be reject and reject baptism and you'd

939
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:01.360
still be safe.

940
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.119
There's not even agreement on that.

941
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:08.360
But so, but it's not due to ignorance of God's word.

942
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.599
Baptism is a picture. It's not a part of your salvation.

943
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:20.480
The people are destroyed because it lack of knowledge, because

944
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.920
the preachers didn't want to study. They're ignorant. God does

945
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:29.280
not put his stamp of approval on them, and it

946
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.800
produces more ignorance, which produces more destruction.

947
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.199
Now, see, I used to I used to do this

948
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.239
when I was young. I used to do this when

949
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.920
I was young. When pastors and I and I and

950
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.639
I and I even have to be careful when I

951
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:51.440
review sermons. It is easy when I hear a pastor say. Now,

952
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.280
there's times pastors say things that are just absolutely fraudulent,

953
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.719
Like I get very frustrated. They may say something about

954
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.199
a church father. I'm like, that's just not that's not no,

955
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.320
that's not the case. They may say something about a scripture.

956
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:05.719
I'm like, no, that's not what. They may say something

957
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.559
about a Greek word. So there's times pastors say things

958
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:10.360
that are just utterly fraudulent.

959
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:10.920
Wrong.

960
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:15.000
Now, it may be based off ignorance, maybe they're just misspeaking, maybe,

961
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.639
but I always I try. Now, I get When I

962
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:20.039
was younger, I would just full out they're ignorant, they

963
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.559
don't study their Bibles, they don't know what they're talking about.

964
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.039
And I and I tended to be much more like bombastic.

965
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:30.880
Right now, I'm like, wait a minute, them now again.

966
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.239
Saying things that can be clearly proven to be fraudulent,

967
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.800
Like when they say things that are just not true. Okay,

968
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:38.880
I'm still not going to be super nice about that

969
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:40.360
when they're just like, literally, just.

970
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.960
That's not that's not even the case.

971
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.639
Right, you know Luther said this, you know, like Luther

972
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.320
never said that. That's an urban legend. That's where are

973
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:51.000
you getting this right, Okay, that's not what we're talking about.

974
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.000
That's just that just drives me crazy. But I have

975
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.280
to draw a distinct Shit, if a pastor says one

976
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:02.079
interpretation and I disagree with that interpretation seven hundred and

977
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:05.880
fifty percent, that doesn't mean they're ignorant of scripture. It

978
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.079
just means they're interpreting scripture differently. So the issue is

979
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.760
why do we interpret scripture differently? It's not because ignorance

980
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:14.360
of See.

981
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.599
I've already argued, we don't walk away.

982
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:20.519
From God because of ignorance of scripture. Right, they are

983
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:24.639
walking away from God. They're rejecting God. They're rejecting his knowledge.

984
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:25.679
Not because they don't know it.

985
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:26.239
They know it.

986
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:28.800
They're rejecting it. And I will argue that rejection comes

987
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.880
from something internally deeper. I will argue that in many

988
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.880
cases we may quote unquote become heretical, but it's not

989
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:39.920
because we don't know scripture. It's because, now you could

990
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:43.480
argue in some cases that we're interpreting scripture. Now, this

991
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.800
is true of all of us. We can interpret scripture

992
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.840
certain ways in order to try to justify our sin

993
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:52.920
or to no longer make it a sin. Right, you

994
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.800
want something, the Bible says you can't have something. It's

995
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.719
very advantageous to you to change what God is condemning

996
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:00.960
there so that you can.

997
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:01.360
Get it right.

998
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:03.760
So we all know that that once again is an

999
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:08.480
internal problem. And there's another issue of interpretation. What leads

1000
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.920
to why is there so many different interpretations? What causes

1001
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:16.440
so many different interpretations? That's a deeper issue. His argument

1002
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:22.679
is it's it's scriptural ignorance. Now, I'm not going to

1003
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:26.119
say that that's never a problem, but I'm just saying typically,

1004
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:31.000
the different theological systems are usually created by people who've

1005
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.239
spent their lives reading and studying the Bible. Look, I

1006
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:37.440
think Gerald's Finny was a complete, absolute heretic. I think

1007
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.360
everything Finny taught was heretical. But I can't say he

1008
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.880
didn't know the scriptures. I think everything Bethel Church and

1009
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.760
Writing California believes or teaches, I think they're out of

1010
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.960
their ever living, living mind. I think they're insane. I

1011
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.920
think they're crazy. I think they're heretics. But I'm not

1012
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:59.840
going to say that don't know the Bible. I think

1013
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.840
one of the things that really then really opened my

1014
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:05.920
eyes to this really is when I was when I

1015
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.480
was working on a degree on Catholic theology, and so

1016
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:09.239
I'm in a class.

1017
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.719
You know, I'm with all Catholics, right, Catholic professor or

1018
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.400
in some cases a priest, and other students. And then

1019
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.679
you realize these Catholics know the Bible.

1020
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:21.000
I mean they're sitting there, they know it. They know it,

1021
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.000
they're citing it. They know it. And I'm like, well, wait,

1022
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:27.320
we always retire The reason Catholics believe this nonsense is

1023
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:28.320
they don't know the Bible.

1024
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.159
And I know they actually know it. They actually know it.

1025
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.559
So oh okay, now because they've got they got an

1026
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.559
entire different system for interpreting it. So we're now we

1027
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.840
may get to an interpretive situation, but it has nothing

1028
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.079
to do with knowledge. They know it, they read it,

1029
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:44.880
they study it.

1030
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:51.320
You just look at any Catholic priest who does the

1031
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:52.440
Liturgy of the Hours.

1032
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:55.519
If he does the Liturgy of the Hours every day

1033
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.760
for a month, I mean, well, basically in an entire year,

1034
00:55:57.800 --> 00:55:59.440
he's almost going to go through the If he's using

1035
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.920
the Election and using the Liturgy of the Hours, he's

1036
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.559
basically gone through the entire Bible basically in a year.

1037
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:05.679
Or'll come close to it.

1038
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.360
He definitely has gone through how he's gone through all

1039
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.320
one hundred and fifty psalms every month for the entire year.

1040
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.400
And if we go through the electionary I think if

1041
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:18.840
they're using the three year system, that every three years

1042
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.840
they basically go through almost the entire Bible.

1043
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:22.559
So don't tell me they don't know it.

1044
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:26.480
They know it that See, it's not always that simple.

1045
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.679
And one more, the people will be destroyed, the preachers

1046
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:38.840
will be disqualified. This one was very frightening, the posterity

1047
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:45.280
will be disregarded the future, the children. If you will

1048
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.599
look at the last one of the verse, seeing thou

1049
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:51.360
hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also

1050
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:58.679
forget thy children. Fundamental Baptist Church. How we handle God's

1051
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:02.920
word right now? We'll determine how our children and our grandchildren,

1052
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.519
our great grandchildren will handle the word of God later.

1053
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.880
You want God to meet with them, then we need

1054
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:11.119
to meet with God today.

1055
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.599
Oh now, I oh boy.

1056
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.280
First of all, there's been people raised hearing the word

1057
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.280
of God supposedly handled right who grows up and rejects

1058
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.559
that way of handling it completely. So I don't know

1059
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:27.480
that that's any guarantee. And I don't know if you

1060
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:31.360
can take Joseah four to six and and take from that.

1061
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:34.079
I don't know if you can.

1062
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:38.079
If you can do that, I'm going to I'm going

1063
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:50.320
to say something, how should we understand the forgetting of

1064
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:52.000
the children.

1065
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:59.719
At the end of verse six.

1066
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:11.159
I'm just gonna see how aih okay, I do not

1067
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:19.039
know what happened here. I'm gonna close this and then

1068
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:25.960
see if I can get back in. That's weird, all right,

1069
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:26.920
let's see here.

1070
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:33.559
Here we go. Maybe it's thinking, it's thinking it may

1071
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:36.639
not work. I wanted. I know, we're almost a sixty minutes.

1072
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:43.920
That's that's a that's a big claim. Yeah, currently for

1073
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.039
some reason it's not working. I don't know. I'll have

1074
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.760
to get that's frustrating. I'll get to that. I look,

1075
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:51.519
when you get to Hoseah four to six. Remember this

1076
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:57.280
is so, this is so. Once again say this man

1077
00:58:57.320 --> 00:58:59.159
who's preaching, he knows the scripture.

1078
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.079
So I'm not in any way going to incite or

1079
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:04.639
argue or insinuate that he doesn't know it. But I

1080
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:08.559
would once again state, whenever you're in the Old Testament

1081
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.400
and you're dealing with many of these passages. You can't

1082
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:15.880
forget how things are functioning in the context of the Covenant.

1083
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.119
God made specific covenant issues with Israel. If you do this,

1084
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.559
this happens. If you don't do this happens that not

1085
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:26.280
all of that is just immediately transferable to us. Right,

1086
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:29.000
you can't go take some of those promises. You can't

1087
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.119
sometimes take those curses as well. So I think that

1088
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:36.760
this is how do we understand this? Do we understand

1089
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.320
this in light of all a temporary setting aside of Israel?

1090
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.079
Does this have to do with the Covenant? In many cases,

1091
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:48.880
I was going to see if I.

1092
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:52.800
Could get this to work, but it's not appearing to work. Yeah,

1093
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:57.440
this thing seems to be completely not working today hang

1094
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:03.679
on or this evening, Yeah, that's not working. So but yeah,

1095
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:08.159
I think you can't just you can't just extrapolate from that. Hey,

1096
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:10.320
how our kids are going to handle the Word of

1097
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:11.559
God is greatly determined on.

1098
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:12.400
How we handle it.

1099
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.920
There's no way to even come close to even making

1100
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.880
that assertion. There's no way to make that assertion, no

1101
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:28.480
way at all, none, none, none, There isn't all, right,

1102
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:28.960
there is it?

1103
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.480
So we will stop there. You can do a little

1104
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:33.079
bit more you can.

1105
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:34.800
Go listen to the rest of that sermon, the dangers

1106
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:36.800
of the dangers of Biblical ignorance. There's only like, I

1107
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:40.920
don't know, maybe five minutes left at most. But yeah,

1108
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.159
So we went through Hoseah. I keep wanting to say,

1109
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.519
Hebrews Hoseah four to six. We looked at my interpretation

1110
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.519
that this is not ignorance, like they don't know, but

1111
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.400
they know, but they reject. The rejection comes from the

1112
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:56.320
sinful nature, and that knowledge can actually incite the sinful nature.

1113
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:57.639
It doesn't diminish it.

1114
01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.400
Right. We talked about Acts.

1115
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.159
Seventeen eleven and all of the like, Well, if people

1116
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.000
have to know it in order to judge it, well,

1117
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.440
then how much do they have to know?

1118
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.320
And then how does that even work? Right?

1119
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:12.079
We talked about all of that concept and how all

1120
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.079
of this works all right, So, and then we talked

1121
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.159
about knowledge and.

1122
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:20.280
Heresy.

1123
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.840
Well, I don't think heresy is created by a lack

1124
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.639
of knowledge, because I think in many cases the heretics

1125
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:28.960
know the scripture is.

1126
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.519
Very very very very very very very very very well.

1127
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.800
I think I have historically I've gone more with the

1128
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.239
idea they don't know, but I think they do know

1129
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.239
so then where does different.

1130
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:45.800
Interpretations arise from? All right, now you can figure out

1131
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:48.239
that children part. I have to leave you something to do,

1132
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:50.719
all right, Thanks for listening. I'm going to stop right there.

1133
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:54.320
Everyone have a great, great, great, great great great great evening,

1134
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.039
and I would love to get your feedback on any

1135
01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.199
of this. Thanks for listening. Everyone, have a great night.

1136
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:01.079
God bless