Feb. 14, 2025
I Found the Amish Where?
A discussion about where I found the Amish.
A discussion about where I found the Amish.
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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It is Friday, February the fourteenth, twenty twenty five. It
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is currently three point fifty six pm Central Time, and
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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central
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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. I was getting
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a little distracted right there, because right as I was speaking,
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I get this notification for some podcast. I'll have to
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go back and look at it says proper distinction between
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law and Gospel, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what
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is that? Who's talking about the proper distinction between long
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and gospel. I have to go find out what podcast
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that was. I need to go find it right now
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because we're always talking about the proper distinction between long gospel.
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But I apologize I was getting distracted as I was
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saying welcome everyone, Good afternoon. At everyone. It is Friday,
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February the fourteenth, twenty twenty five. It is now three
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point fifty six pm Central time, and I'm coming to
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you live from the Theology Central studio located right here
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in Abilene, Texas. Question in your life how many times
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have you encountered someone who was Amish? How many times
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have you encountered the Amish in your life? How many times?
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Is that a frequent thing? How did you encounter them?
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Did you speak to them? Did you get a chance
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to talk to them? What do you know about the Amish?
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Is it just like you've seen them on maybe a
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movie or a television show. You've heard about the Amish,
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but you don't really know much about them. Do you
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know their history? What do you know about the Amish? Now,
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I'm just going to be very clear here. I grew
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up basically in Buffalo Gap, Texas. I was born in Albilene, Texas,
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but then I moved in most of my childhood teen years,
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rest of my childhood, all the way up as to
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you know, as a young adult, I grew up in
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Buffalo Gap, Texas. Population at that time was maybe what
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two hundred people, two hundred and twenty two hundred and
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thirty people, very small little town, Buffalo Gap, Texas. Yes,
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that's where I grew up. Let me tell you. There
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were not any Amish anywhere to be found. There was none.
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There was none nowhere. I did not run into any Amish.
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I did not see them on their horse and buggy.
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I did not encounter them. I didn't talk to them.
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I did not have anything to do with them. I
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not zero. But I know other people who have known,
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other people who were born and raised in other parts
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of the country talking about that. Yeah, they've run into
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the Amish, talk with them, done business dealings with them,
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had them, hired them to do this or to do that,
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And it's always like, oh, okay, that's interesting. But for me,
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it's like I've heard of the Amish, but never any
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no real I mean no encounter, not just no real,
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zero encounter with anyone who is Amish. Now, for those
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who don't know, the Amish are a Christian group known
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for their traditional beliefs, simple living, and separation from modern society.
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They are part of the Anabaptist movement and originated in
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Europe during the sixteenth century. They are part of the
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Anabaptist movement. Okay, now, I've studied the Anabaptist, so we
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can get into a lot of people say, okay, the
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Anabaptist and try to draw a lineage to their particular group. Okay,
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so that's kind of their origin. Again, They're known for
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their traditional beliefs, simple living, and their separation from modern society.
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And that's why many people have never encountered the Amish,
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because they live these separated lives. They reject modern society.
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They are a part of the Anabaptist movement. So if
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you ever study the Anabaptist movement, then you'll learn a
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little bit about the Amish. They originated in Europe during
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the sixteenth century. So what are some of the key beliefs.
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What are some of the key practices of the Amish,
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Just in case you don't know, or just to get
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kind of an overview, all right, Separation from the world,
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that's a key belief The Amish believe in living a
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life separate from modern society to avoid worldly temptations and
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to maintain spiritual purity. We've got to withdraw. We got
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to stay away because we have to avoid temptation. We
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have to maintain spiritual purity. Now, from a thilological perspective,
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I'm already somewhat in disagreement with this, because the issue
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isn't the bad people out there, all of you who
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are Amish. You can't avoid spiritual impurity by staying away
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from the world. Because the spiritual impui already is inside
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the camp, it's inside the house, it's inside of you,
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all right. But that way of thinking has infiltrated, infiltrated
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the minds of most Christians to some level. Oh, don't
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do this, don't stay away from that, stay away from that,
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because the bad is always seen as being out there. No,
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the bad is in here. The bad that I need
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to avoid isn't what's on Netflix or in this song,
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or in this movie or in this book. I don't
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need to ban it, censor it, burn it. No, I'm
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the problem. All the impurity, all of the corruption is
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inside of us, and it's been there since conception, all right.
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So that's their one of their beliefs. Second, adult baptism.
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Baptism is reserved resort. I can't read today. Baptism is
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reserved for adults who make a conscious commitment to the faith,
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typically occurring between the ages of eighteen and twenty two.
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So adult baptism would be another key belief of the Amish.
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Now number three, we could get into a discussion about this, right,
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this is somewhat interesting, and maybe we could have a
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thiological and let me make it very clear, I am
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by no means I want to make it very clear.
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When it comes to a lot of philological things, I
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can say, Okay, I think I know this. I can
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be somewhat dogmatic, I can be somewhat assertive. I can
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be somewhat dogmatic and assertive about many things within Catholicism
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because I wanted to be able to speak on it
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from a position of knowledge, not one of ignorance. That's
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why I enrolled in a Catholic university, pursuing a degree
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in Catholic theology, so that I could be better acquainted
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with it. So many different areas of theology have dedicated
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a lot of time so that I can be knowledgeable.
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When it comes to the Amish, I'm no real can't
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be dogmatic about anything because a lot of it I
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just don't know. But according to at least artificial intelligence,
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Amish salvation through faith and works. While faith in Christ
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is essential, the Amish emphasizes living out their faith through
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obedience to God's commands and the communities or the community
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set of rules. Now I don't know how to say
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this word, but these set of rules I think are
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referred to as or none or none. It's O R
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D N U n G or none or nung. I
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don't know exactly how to say it. O R D
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n U n G. I've not even looked up what
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these these rules are or this. It's kind of like
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a how to an order that you have to follow,
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I think typically. But just that's kind of interesting that
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it's just described as salvation through faith and works. Now,
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if it's a works based salvation the ladies and gentlemen,
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this is not like I just disagree with them because
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they avoid society or they avoid ever. You know, they're
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gonna drive around in a horse and buggy like. No,
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this would be more of a philological division. If works
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are involved in their salvation, and I'm not going to
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be a dogmatic or assertive on that until I do
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much further research. That's a problem. Well, that would be
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a I think that would be a big problem. Right next,
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Community and mutual aid. The Amish people are. The Omnish
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place high value on community mutual aid in helping one another,
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especially in times of need. An example would be a
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barn raising, which you typically see like on television or
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a movie. Now, this one, I am very familiar with
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nonviolence and pacifism. The Omnish are committed to pacifism, refusing
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military service and avoiding violence and any form. Very much
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familiar with that only because of my kind of just
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war theory, and very much more moving to believing I'm
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more a passif I have pacifistic tendencies, you said, say
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in many cases because I believe scriptures like you love
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your enemy, turned the other geek, resist not evil. There's
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kind of a pacifistic mindset in some of that. So
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when you start looking into church history, well, the Omnish
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show up as well, and some some Anabaptists as well
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would show up with this pacifistic mindset. Okay, not all Well,
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we can get into what happened in Germany with some
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of the Anabaptists, but okay, all right. Next, submission in humility. Humility, simplicity,
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and submission to God and church authority and each other
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are central to their faith. So humility, simplicity, and submission,
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that submission goes to God, church authority, each other. Right.
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So that's those are some of the key beliefs. Separation,
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adult baptism, salvation through faith. I'm just going to say
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possibly works because I'd have to really get into exactly
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what they mean by that. But if it's a workspace system,
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then ladies and gentlemen, it's not the true gospel. Community
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and mutual aid, nonviolence and pacifism, submission, and humidity and humility. Now,
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what are some of the key practices Plane living and dress.
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The omnish wear plane modest clothing without patterns or any
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kind of you know, anything that would be that you
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would make it look nicer or anything along those lines.
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All right. They want to reflect humility and avoid pride
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in their dress. So it's very modest, no patterns, very plain.
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All right, yeah, I could, I could probably describe it
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in other ways, but you get the basic idea. So
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a key practice is plain living and dress. Number two
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limited use of technology. They reject most modern technologies such
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as electricity, cars, telephones, and their homes, though some groups
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may allow certain technologies for business purposes like generators or
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maybe a community phone. All right, so they they basically
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reject modern technology. Keep that in mind. Number three horse
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drawn transportation. Buggies are used in a set of cars,
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reflecting their commitment to a simpler way of life. Right
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then you have the ordnan or the ordina, however you
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pronounce this. This is a set of unwritten rules that
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govern all aspects of life, from clothing to technology, and
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to technology used to social behavior. So I guess it's
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a set of unwritten rules. I was getting ready, I
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was gonna look it up. Hey, let's look this up.
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O R D N U N G. Let me get
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a copy of the book so that I know these rules.
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I guess these are a set of unwritten rules that
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govern all aspects of life. If you're gonna have rules
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that govern all aspects of life, why wouldn't they be
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That seems kind of weird to me, all right, So
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like you would want them like print it out and
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everybody gets a copy and you have to review it
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each year and sign off that you did your annual review.
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I mean, it's rules that govern every aspect of life, clothing, technology,
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to the use, from clothing to technology used to social
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behavior itself. Right, then, they also, in their practice have
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this to have a period during adolescence when omnius youth
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are allowed to experience the outside world before deciding whether
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to commit to the church through baptism. So you reach
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a certain age where you're like, okay, you can go
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now encounter the outside world. Go go and then there
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during that time, they decide whether they're going to commit
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to the church through baptism or if they're not. That's
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kind of a kind of a cool thing in some ways, right, Hey,
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you've grown up in this, You've been kept away from everything.
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We've kept you away from the bad, evil world. We
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kept you away from all of that impurity. Now go
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and experience the world. Go and see if that's what
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you want or if this is what you want. Now.
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I don't know how well that works out for them
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psychologically or like, I don't know how that. I think
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there was a reality television show about omnistion and some
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of this. I don't remember the name of it, because
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I mean I didn't I wasn't interested. But I remember
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at least seeing I think parts of some episodes of it.
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I just don't remember everything about it. So there's this period,
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and next they have a that we would basically call
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it shunning, a form of church discipline where baptized members
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who break church rules and refuse to repent are avoided
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socially until they reconcile with the community. So basically you're
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put out. It's almost like a form of excommunication. But
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I think it goes beyond just the church, It goes
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to the entire community. You're shinned by the entire community.
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All right, Next, Now, this one is interesting. This one
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makes me a little sad. Actually, this would be very one.
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This one would would make me very depressed. Education omnus
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children typically attend one room schoolhouses until eighth grade, focusing
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on practical education rather than higher academic learning. Says, you
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only go to school till eighth grade, and it's not
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a pursuit of academic learning. That sounds depressing, That sounds
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that would keep you very How does that work for
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hermeneutics and theology Bible interpretation? I mean that that sounds
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very do the do some people get access to the
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education and some don't. That would be very much a
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trades are highly valued, emphasizing hard work and self reliance.
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remember I've never met, never stumbled upon, never encountered the Omnish,
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have you all right? So I was curious, so I
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