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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast

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making Theology Central. Good morning everyone. It is Tuesday, July sixteenth,

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twenty twenty four. It is currently
ten eighteen am Central Time, and I

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am coming to you live from the
Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene,

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Texas. Now, as many of
you know, as many of you

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are very aware of if you've been
listening, I have been spending a lot

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of time, it feels like,
in some cases hours, monitoring, listening,

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looking at how Christians, how the
church, how different ministries are responding

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to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, the shooting of Donald Trump, the

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assassination attempt. It does sound like
if I have to make sure I directly

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use the word assassination attempt, our
ministries will be very upset because they continue

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to accuse the mainstream media of not
using the term association assassination attempt, even

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though I have got countless evidence that
the mainstream media has been calling it an

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assassination attempt for not for a very
not very long after the initial reports came

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in. Immediately they were hesitant to
use the term until there was more verification.

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Then slowly but surely it started being
used by almost all media outlets.

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So I don't know why that's continuing
to be thrown out there, but I

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think it's kind of symbolic of what
we've been witnessing. So I have been

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monitoring, watching, listening, trying
to see how Christians are going to respond

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to this, to the shooting of
Donald Trump, to the assassination attempt,

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so that we can kind of see
how the church is thinking and the and

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we can also kind of get an
idea of the direction the Church is moving.

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What we have found is in many
of the responses, either the responses

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just are just completely not biblical.
It has nothing to do with scripture,

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nothing to do with theology, completely
unbiblical in every way, shape or form.

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That is the one thing we've seen. Second, we have seen just

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a lot of wild accusations, speculations, bearing false witness, misinformation, disinformation,

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And that has been very disheartening and
very frustrating that the church, the

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Church where people should be able to
come to to hear truth, not hear

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wild accusations, false bearing, false
witness, false information, misinformation, have

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truths, speculation, slander, almost
just wild gossip. I mean just some

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of it has been absolutely crazy to
listen to. Now again, let me

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make it very clear, what I'm
monitoring, what I am seeing, does

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not in any way, shape or
form represent the entire entirety of the church.

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I am looking at responses to this
specific event and look and basing what

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I'm saying about those specific ministries and
what they are saying. I am not

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trying to then extrapolate from that and
say the entire church, the whole church.

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That would not be fair, right, So what we're looking at is

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what we're looking at. What you
are seeing, what you are hearing is

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what you are hearing, and you
can you can definitely offer me links and

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things that people are offering a different
perspective. But some of what we've heard

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so far has been very, very
disheartening, discouraging. It's just it's been

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negative. I don't even know there's
any other way to get around it.

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And I'm hopeful that things will be
better now. From a philological perspective,

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the only theological thing being said so
far basically about the shooting is basically a

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discussion about God's decrees and God's providence. But when I say a discussion,

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there's not really been a meaningful discussion
about God's decrees and God's providence. It's

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just basically God stepped in and saved
Trump. That's it, without any because

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God decreed it. It's a part
of God's providence, his sovereignty. But

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there seems to be ignoring something else. Something else continues to be ignored,

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which is very very very very very
very frustrating. Something continues to be ignored,

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and I'm going to mention it again
in this broadcast. So here's what

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my plan is this morning. First, I'm going to look at a response

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to the assassination attempt of a President
Trump. And this I received it this

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morning at nine to four am,
so less than an hour ago. I

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received this email. And the title
of the email is my response to the

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attempted assassination of President Trump. All
right, so, and this is from

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the American Family Association. Now full
transparency. You know my feelings about the

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American Family Association. I don't think
that there is a group that has that.

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I don't think there's a group out
there that symbolizes the political hijacking of

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American Christianity better than the American Family
Association and American Family Radio. They are

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the poster children of a political hijack
Christianity. I tell people all the time,

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you want to hear what a politically
hijack Christianity sounds like. Find if

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you don't have it, download the
American Family Radio app. Listen to American

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Family Radio from about ten am Central
Time to about six pm Central Time,

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and sometimes you won't know if you're
listening to Christian radio or if you're listening

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to I don't know, your local
conservative talk radio channel. Sometimes it sounds

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so politically hijacked it's not even funny. Now I haven't listened in a while,

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so maybe they have improved. There
was a period there that I would

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all constantly tell people whenever I say
that one of the problems in the American

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church is that's been politically hijacked,
I would say, go listen to American

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Family Radio. Don't take my word
for it, go listen yourself. I

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don't know if anyone ever took me
up on that challenge. Now. Now

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again, I haven't listened to it
in a while because it drives me in

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crazy, But I have a feeling
that it still probably is somewhat like that.

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Maybe maybe not, so if you
go check it out, you can

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draw your own conclusion. Now,
the reality is you may love American family

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radio and think it's the greatest thing
in the world because you don't see a

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problem with the political hijacking of the
American Church. Because I'm obviously I have

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a different perspective. I think the
political hijacking of the American Church is absolutely

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the greatest threat to historical biblical Christianity
in our lifetime. Right, I don't

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know. I used to think that
it was this or this. I think

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the political hijacking because the political hijacking
goes after conservative churches, conservative churches who

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have good doctrinal statements, but they
basically sell out to political ideology and political

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focus and political idolatry. And that
to me is a problem. And look,

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we all have idolatry problems the human
heart. You mean, we make

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our we are the idol we worship
the most, but we find other idols

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out there. So my idol may
not be politics. I may never be

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hijacked by politics. I've got my
own issues. But at the same time,

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we have to deal with the political
hijacking. So this is who the

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email is from. So what we're
gonna do is I'm gonna read this email.

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And then I was going through my
sermons two point zero app feed,

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right, which you know, I
this is what all of twenty twenty four

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is about. The so's two point
oh app So I was going through my

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feed and I saw a message said
that was entitled God Bless America again,

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God Bless America Again. And I'm
like, okay, I wonder if they're

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going to address the shooting now.
It looks like when I went ahead and

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downloaded the audio Part one, it
looks like was preached like maybe June thirtieth,

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so this would be prior to the
shooting. However, it may be

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a message that they were preaching leading
up to July fourth, So this may

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show patriotism and political mindset. It
may show again some of this patriotic political

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hijacking of the American church. The
second message I don't know the date of,

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but I know this they got.
Let me look at it. The

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second one, God Bless America Again. Part two was showed up in my

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feed fifteen hours ago, and this
one is dated Monday, July the fifteenth,

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So I'm assuming part two was preached
on the Sunday after the assassination attempt.

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So I want to get to review
part two. So in some ways

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I was just going to jump to
part two to review that, but I'm

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like, well, let's review part
one just to kind of see how they

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were thinking prior to the assassination attempt, and then later we can come in

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and review part two and see how
they were thinking after the assassination attempt and

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just kind of get kind of it'll
add kind of a different way of looking

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at all of this. Now,
the sermon that we'll be reviewing from comes

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from Hey, let me pull this
up way and get the name Barry Baptist

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Church Barry b r r y Bury
Baptist Church. You can find it on

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the sermon's two point Oh app please
go find Bury Baptist Church and download stream

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God Bless America Part one and part
two so that you can hear them,

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because I want you to have the
you know, direct source, so you

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don't accuse me of taking anything out
of context. And remember, what,

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why are we doing these reviews?
Why am I monitoring everything? The goal

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is not just so that I can
criticize. Really, it's just it's not

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even really about criticizing. I may
have a completely right well, I'll take

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this back. I will criticize when
that when we're reviewing something in the church

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just descends into wild speculation, accusations, false accusations, bearing false witness,

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half truths, mistruths, lies.
Yeah, that kind of slander, gossip,

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when when all it leads to is
just wild speculation. I mean,

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the one that we were reviewing last
night. I was listening to a little

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bit more of it today and it's
just so so so crazy, so crazy,

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just so crazy. So we're gonna
be We're gonna be talking about a

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lot of things now. I know. I mentioned God's providence just to remind

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you if you go listen to this
series that I've kind of been we've kind

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of turned this into a series about
the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. I

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did an entire episode where we talked
about God's providence and God's decrees and we

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dealt with the not only the theilological
implications of those, but the very negative

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implications and how all the people talking
about God's providence and God's decrees in Donald

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Trump being spared, they will not
address the negative side. In fact,

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not only will they not address the
negative side. There's a name that I've

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yet to hear a pastor, a
church or ministry even say so far,

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I'm the only one who has said
the man's name. And I've already been

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honest with you. I don't even
know if I'm pronouncing his last name correctly,

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but I'm the only one who continues
to say the man's name. In

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fact, I told everyone to take
his name, write it down on paper.

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I begged everyone to do that.
Because of all of this situation,

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with the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, this man is going completely unforgotten.

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Now. God supposedly spared Donald Trump, but nobody wants to talk about,

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Well, God was there sparing Trump, but in the very same area,

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God to chose not to spare someone
else. Nobody yet wants to mention that.

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So we will talk about that.
So that's our goal. We're going

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to look at the email. Then
we're gonna review this sermon. This sermon

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we're gonna be reviewing doesn't have anything
directly to say in regards to the assassination

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attempt, at least I don't believe
Part one does because it was preached before

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the event. The part two,
I'm assuming it leans heavily into that.

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But we can't go to part two
until we review part one. So that's

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what we're going to do, and
we will see. And again, remember

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I don't listen to these prior to
so I never know what's going to happen.

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I don't know if I'll will agree
or disagree. No one can accuse

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me. Oh, you just find
things you disagree with. No. I

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listen to sermons. I'm encouraging people
to spend this year listening to at least

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one sermon every single day for all
of twenty twenty four. Well, since

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I'm going to be listening to it, why not listening to listen to it

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with everyone live on the air so
that we can react in real time.

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All right, that's what we're doing. Okay, So let's go to the

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email. Here is the email.
Here is the email again. I received

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this just a little over an hour
ago. The subject line the title my

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response to the attempted assassination of President
Trump the American Family Association, Tim Waldman,

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WILDMN, All right, urgent message
from ten Tim Waldman, Dear,

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all right, then it has my
email address. We were all shocked by

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the news of the assassination attempt of
the former President Donald Trump. The bullet

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from a high powered rifle fired by
twenty year old Thomas Matthew Crooks nicked Trump's

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ear while he addressed the crowd at
a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, Saturday

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afternoon. Now, I find it
interesting that I have seen numerous Christian responses.

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Who will name Trump? And who
will name the shooter? Someone else

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continues to not be named. Maybe
he will be named in this email.

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We will see. I firmly believe
God spared the life of President Trump.

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Many of my Christian colleagues share the
same sentiment, as reported in this American

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Family News story. All right,
so God spared Trump, God saved Trump.

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That seems to be almost universally.
Well, let me take the back

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seat. I've got to make sure
I speak carefully. I don't that was

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way too hyperbolic. It seems that
it's been a truth that is repeated in

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everything I have heard coming from the
Christian world. God spared Trump in God's

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providence, God's eternal decree decreed that
Donald Trump would not die. He was

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spared. Praise God. God protected
him. God was his cover, his

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rock, his refuge, his shield. Praise God. Now, but we'll

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wait and see if someone else has
mentioned here. All Right, on his

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Truth social platform, Trump wrote,
it was God alone who prevented this unthinkable

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from happening, and this moment,
it is more important than ever that we

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stand united and show our true character
as Americans, remaining strong and determined and

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not allowing evil to win. Although
President Trump survived this violent act, we

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must remember that the gunman took the
life of fellow American Corey Compretour and left

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two others seriously injured. Now,
thank you so very much. Finally,

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this is the first time Corey's name
has been mentioned. And everything that I've

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listened to within the Christian world,
this is the very first time and emails

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I've received from other ministries Corey's name
not mentioned. This is the first time

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someone has actually mentioned Corey's name.
Now, that's great. I just want

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to make sure it's very clear that
while we're sitting there saying God spared Trump,

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God then did not spare Corey.
All Right, we just have to

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acknowledge that, right, So let
me read everything they have to say here.

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This is awesome. I'm very happy. I'm very happy that they did

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this because this is the first one. This is the very first one and

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again it was sent out today,
so it's Tuesday. It was the first

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time I've seen. Now. I'm
not saying other ministries have it. I

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just say from what I have seen
and heard so far, let me read

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this again. Although President Trump survived
the violent act, we must remember that

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the gunman took the life of fellow
American, Corey Comprotour, and left two

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others seriously injured. I read about
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to get down and literally shielded them
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Friends, there's no question that our
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wait, I'm getting is that another
one? Okay, I think I'm getting

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another email from American I'm getting another
email from American Family Radio as I'm reading

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their previous email. Okay, all
right, I may have to click on

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that in a minute. All right, Okay, here we go. On

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his truth social platform, Trump wrote, Okay, wait, we read all

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of that. Friends, There's no
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While Americans will continue to disagree on
political and social issues, we should

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be able to agree on this.
There's no place for this kind of violence

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that we saw unfold this past weekend. Man, that's all right. So

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so far American Family Radio, what
I usually use is the symbol of the

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most politically hijacked ministry out there.
They're the only ones so far who's mentioned

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Corey, and they are emphatically saying, wait, there's no room for this

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kind of violence. And I and
I completely agree. So this is this

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one is surprisingly much better than I
was anticipating. All right, here we

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go. As for the church,
I'm reminded of Psalm one oh seven nineteen

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through twenty, which states they then
they cried out to the Lord in their

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trouble, and He saved them out
of their distress. He sent his word

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and he'lld them and delivered them from
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let's look at Psalm one oh seven. I'm going to reach down and grab

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a bible. Let's look at some
one oh seven because there's Did you notice

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something when I read that verse?
Then they cried out to the Lord in

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their trouble and He saved them.
Now this sounds like the Samsay is referencing

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something that happened in the past,
right, what is he referencing here?

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Let's go to Psalm one oh seven. Well, ladies and gentlemen, it's

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gonna take us about five seconds to
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some one oh seven verse one,
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he is good, and his mercy
endorsed forever. Let the redeeming of the

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Lord, say so whom he has
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And gathered out of the lands from
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and from the north and from the
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desolate way. They found no city, a dwelling in, hungry and thirsty.

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They're so fainted in them. Then
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and in their trouble he delivered them. Ladies and gentlemen, this is referencing

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Israel and God's dealings with Israel,
not the Church. This is dealing with

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Israel. Absolutely clearly, this is
dealing with Israel. Yeah, I don't

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know how you can. I mean, look, they wandered in the wilderness,

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they found no city, that they
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all of that is a reference to
Israel. I don't know. But because

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they rebelled against the words of God
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Therefore he brought down their heart with
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was none to help. Then they
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This is clear. I think some
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an argument that the pro the historical
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I think I'm gonna make an argument
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at it. I think that that's
absolutely fair. Yeah, I'm in fact,

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do I have I'm looking around here. Hang on one second, I

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have a giant study Bible over here
behind me. I'm just gonna look really

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quick just to see some one oh
seven. All right. Uh. The

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concept of redemption relates to recovering lost
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Okay. This reverse some one o
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Israel from exile some one oh four. While the wilderness normally implies the wanderings

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calloing the exodus, the context suggests
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The exiles were unable to assimilate in
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captors, Anticipating the Lord's rescue at
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reference to them coming out of maybe
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that we may have some disagreement on
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But it seems to be Israel.
Israel Israel focused. Now why do I

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draw that attention because so many times
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grab some verses and say, hey, this is for the church, ladies

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and gentlemen, We are not Israel. God made a covenant with the nation

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of Israel. That covenant with the
nation of Israel included promises of protection and

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provision. We cannot take promises of
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rip them out of their context and
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us. God intervened in very special, supernatural, powerful ways for Israel that

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we cannot in any way claim that
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us. Now, verses that speak
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then we can quote those verses and
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understand them. But someone O seven, it's clearly it seems to be about

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Israel, all right, But he
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there's nothing else said that about it. Then immediately the next paragraph says,

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can prayer save America? I know
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President Emeritus Buddy Smith recently wrote in
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save America? The stresses and woes
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times and our nation in the past. It could happen again. We have

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seen him save our country in the
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Almighty God to do it again.
I'm asking you to stop sometime today and

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pray for America. Pray for the
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choose to serve in public office.
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for a spiritual awakening in our nation. Let's sincerely pray that God will change

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the heart of America. If we
will humble ourselves, pray seek us face

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in turn from our wicked ways,
perhaps the Lord will do what he promised

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Israel he would do in Second Chronicles
seven fourteen, heal our land. I

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do admit admire the fact that he
does say, Hey, what God promised

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Israel. Now he doesn't do that
in some one O seven, but he

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does that with second Chronicles seven fourteen. Now we can get into a big

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philological discussion here. Can we claim
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Can we say, if we do
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will heal our land? Can we
claim that promise? It would be a

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conditional promise. If we do exactly
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God do what he said? I
don't know if we can make that a

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guaranteed promise for us? Is that
promise applicable to us? Most preach it

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like it is never even bothering to
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who's this promise given to? I
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it not? I mean even this
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am I'm very grateful that this mentioned
Corey's name. I'm very very, very

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very great. I am truly grateful. You don't even understand how grateful I

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am, because I was starting to
get very frustrated that everyone that you know,

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the shooter's name is mentioned, Trump's
name is mentioned, and then everything

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about providence and God protecting we immediately
mentioned Trump. Now nobody wants to deal

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with Well, then where was God
for Corey. Nobody wants to at least

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nobody even wants to acknowledge that.
Again. The most just kind of shrugged

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their shoulders and well, if God
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to protect another, that's up to
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I understand that that sounds so,
you know, spiritual, but it's

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not. It doesn't sound so comforting
to the people who you know, to

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the family who lost Corey. Hey, God was right there. Just I

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don't know how far Corey was from
where President Trump was shot, but hey,

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you were just this far away,
and God had the ability to just

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move Trump a little to the side, so he just gets snicked in the

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ear. But your husband, Nope, couldn't have just been wounded the bullet

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couldn't just have hit his shoulder right
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no, no, no no no
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That's that's the the the conflict here. So that one's that's a pretty good

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response overall, that's a pretty good
response. That's one of I'm just gonna

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be honest, at this point,
of all the ones I've heard, this

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may be one of the best.
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and see my pre my, my, my presupposition was that it was going

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to be negative, and so it
turned out to me much better. I'm

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so, I'm glad I read the
whole thing. I'm going to go to

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the email that I just received.
All right, Okay, so this is

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one of their emails about the here's
how we can stop the left's power grab.

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Right, so this is a very
policy. And now this is right

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back to their political and this is
from American Family Radio, and this is

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about voting and stopping the Democrats.
Okay, so this is right back to

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their politics. So they go right
back to their politics, which is what

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they do. Again. They're politically
hijacked. But their response to the shooting,

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in some ways, it's one of
the best, even though I may

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have some issues with how they're quoting, you know, some one oh seven.

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And at least they even admit the
second chronicles, Hey, that promise

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was given to Israel. So Eve, I mean, they do overall relative

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pretty I mean, I mean,
come on, I'm just gonna overall say

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that's great. I'm thankful that gives
me some hope. There's there's at least

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hope, and that one. Some
of the other ones led me to the

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pit of total despair. So that
one was from American Family Radio. Again,

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it was sent at it's just funny
that while we're on the air they

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send another email that's just straight up
political. It just it just it demonstrates,

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improves that they're still very political.
But I am very grateful that at

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nine thirty or nine twenty four am, nine to twenty four am, American

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Family Radio sent out their their response
to the attempted assassination of President Trump.

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I guess technically it's Tim Waldman's response, but I think he's I think he's

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like the president of American Family Association. I don't know exactly his role.

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I can't remember. He's yeah,
he's the president. He's the president.

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So now, yeah, all right, So overall, I think that's a

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that's a very good email, and
I'm grateful for it. Now, we'll

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continue to monitor the responses that are
coming in. My primary place of focus

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is the Sermon's two point oh app
in Beta dot sermon audio dot com,

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because that's our focus for twenty twenty
four for our Sermon's two point oh app

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challenge. So I'm going to continue
to monitor that see what people are saying.

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In the meantime, I was looking
at my feed on the sermon's two

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point oh app because we're supposed to
be choosing random sermons, and I saw

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one called God Bless America again Part
one and part two. Part one was

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done like June the thirtieth. Part
two showed up in my feed fifteen hours

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ago, and it looks like it
was preached on Sunday. I'm assuming guessing

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my speculation is Part two will be
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one laid the foundation, and it
may demonstrate a very patriotic political viewpoint,

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it may demonstrate a very Christian I
don't know. Of course, you can

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hear my cynicism because of all the
things we've been listening to so far.

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But American Family Radio just gave me
a little bit of hope. So I'm

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going to hope that this is going
to be really beneficial to review. So

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are you ready? Let's go see
prior to the shooting, how at least

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one church was talking about God and
America. Let's see what they had to

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say. Let's process it, let's
think about it. We may not even

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make it very far, but let's
just see what we can learn today.

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All right, are you ready?
Do you feel a little bit more hopeful?

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Maybe I don't know about you.
I'm just look I mean it.

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I'm so grateful that American family mentioned
the name of the man who was shot.

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They mentioned name. I'm so grateful
for that because I don't want him

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to be forgotten, and I want
Christians to face that, Hey, in

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God, God's eternal decree, he
decrees everything that occurs, and God's providence

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he controls, he upholds, he
disposes, He controls basically everything from the

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greatest to the least. He is
sovereign. Okay, well that sounds good.

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So we use that and say,
see God intervene in spared Trump.

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I know, but at the same
time, when you say God decrees and

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he controls everything, meaning that God
decreed and controlled everything which included Corey being

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killed, you have to embrace that
ugly side of it. And now many

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Christians just kind of shrug their shoulders
like they don't have a problem with it.

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They never have a problem with it
until their child is killed by a

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drunk driver, or their child is
taken and abused or some horrible Then all

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of a sudden that gets really real
and gets really ugly and gets very difficult

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to process. So all right,
but let's see where this goes. Are

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you ready? I have no idea. We begin. Now, take your

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bibles and open with me to the
Book of Psalms, chapter thirty three.

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I'm going to preach about America,
our nation, and I want to use

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some information from this book by Robert
Jeffers. Okay, ladies and gentlemen,

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we're off to a rocky start.
So we're going to be in Psalm thirty

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three. But he's going to preach
on America. Okay, I have a

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little I have a little bit of
concern because I'm thirty three is not about

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America. Okay, right, okay, all right, So but well we'll

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say he's going to obviously make it
applicable to America. We will see how

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that works. Robert Jeffris Jeffers Jeffers. However you say his name, I'm

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assuming he's referencing the pastor of First
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is not too far from here.
And I would definitely say that that pastor

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is a great example again of politically
hijacked Christianity. He's more he's known more

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from politics than he is for theology. He speaks on Fox News at different

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times. Yeah, so I got
I'm already worried that he's going to be

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using a book from him now that
and he seems to highly praise this man

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and wants everyone in this church to
listen to him. We have reviewed some

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of his teaching. In fact,
I receive uh, I usually receive emails

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from Robert Jeffries Jeffers Jeffris, however
you say his name from his ministry,

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typically asking for large amounts of money, okay, and which in this part

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of Texas is very hard to take
because when they were building what they were

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quote as their quote unquote campus for
first Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas,

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it was all over the media all
over this part of the country. I

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mean, I'm not that many,
I'm not that far from Dallas, and

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they were like, it's going to
cost how much money to build that church?

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What in the world? And it
was like some astronomical number. It

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was insanity, and like it was
a big thing here. So it's sometimes

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hard when I'm getting emails from him
wanting money, and I'm like, I

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want to send an email back.
We have a picture of where my church

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is, and like, hey,
how about you send me one hundred thousand

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and then I can completely keep my
church operating forever. We can remodel them.

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There's some we can put an actual
pavement down instead of gravel in front

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of our churt. Wait, there's
all these things we could actually do.

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Oh, in fact, if you
don't want to do that, just send

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me, I don't know, eighty
thousand dollars and I'll pay off my house

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payment and then I'll be set for
the rest of my life. I mean,

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you want, I mean the numbers
sometimes are ridiculous, the amount they're

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asking for, and I'm like,
what, but okay, so you can

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you can take it or however you
want to interpret them. But sometimes it's

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just frustrating. It's like these ministries, because I don't ask for a little

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bit, they're usually giving you this
some of these astronomical numbers. Remember I've

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had ministries emailing me. They're trying
to raise five hundred thousand, seven hundred

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and fifty thousand, some almost a
million dollars or one hundred thousand or two

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hundred thousand, like and I'm always
like, what in the world, right,

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you know? That I don't know. I don't know how to process

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that, Like, if your ministry
needs that much money to operate, what

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are you doing? And then they're
always connected with these large churches, Like

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your church is large enough, it
should be able to support all of your

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ministries. So then yeah, then
we get that never ending frustration there.

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But so that's what he's Uh,
well, you're getting ready to hear I

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think he's getting ready to be I
mean, it sounds like, well,

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man, well let's let's listen.
Maybe i'm i'm, I'm, I'm my

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presupposition is taking over. Maybe I'm
I'm saying he's going to be all positive

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here, but but maybe he's actually
going to be critical. So maybe maybe

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i'm maybe I'm being wrong here.
Maybe I'm being wrong. Maybe I'm Look,

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that's it's true. I'm I'm I'm
projecting here, I'm projecting. So

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let let's let's be fair. Let's
see where he's going to go. He

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said, America is a Christian nation. So I want to give credit to

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the person that wrote this book.
And as matter of fact, he preaching

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on this morning. How many how
many heard Robert Jeffers? Anybody listened to

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Robert boy, you're missing the body
you got. You got set light.

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He's on about three times on Sunday
mornings, and he has the most beautiful

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choir you ever heard in your life
and an orchestra. All right, So

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he he he's all into Robert Jeffers. He's he's he thinks I'll be saying

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so I was right. He's he's
praising him, but he quoted him.

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He's like, hey, one,
he gives credit because Robert Jeffers, I

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think, is how he's stating the
name. It stays. America is a

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Christian nation. America is a Christian
nation. Now we've I've told you to

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write down things about God's decrees,
God's providence, and I've given you questions.

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Right now, I want to give
you a question. Here's your question

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for the day you ready. Is
America a Christian nation? Present tense?

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Has America ever been a Christian nation? Past tense? Will America ever be

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a Christian nation? Future tense?
Is it? Has it? Will it?

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That's what I want you to talk
and debate today. Is America a

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Christian nation? Hasn't been a Christian
nation? Will it ever be a Christian

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nation? My answer is an emphatic. It isn't, it hasn't nor will

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it ever be, And I don't
ever want it to be. I don't

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want a national religion in any way, shape or form. I don't want

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it to be because you say,
well, America is a Christian nation.

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Exactly which Christianity are we referring to? Do you want it to be a

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Catholic Christian nation where Catholicism is the
national religion and Protestants are imprisoned or are

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somehow their civil laws passed to persecute, kill, in prison those who disagree

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with Catholicism. I mean, I
mean, if you don't know anything about

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church history, anytime the church and
state come together, someone's going to die.

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Do you want it to be a
Jehovah's Witness Christian nation? Do you

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want it to be a Mormon Christianisian
because they both would claim association with Christianity.

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Do you want to be Greek Orthodox? Do you want to be a

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Lutheran? Do you want to be
Presbyterian? Do you want it to be

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Charismatic? Oh my goodness, I
would pack up and get I would get

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out of this nation so fast I
would be gone. You know how I

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feel about charismatic theology. I would
I would run for my life. I

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would just I would tell everyone to
flee. All right, do you want

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it to be Baptist? Well,
which kind of Baptists? Which kind of

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Lutheran? Which kind of Presbyterian?
Who would be the ones in charge?

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Say justice? A Christian nation?
That doesn't mean anything. We got to

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define the Christianity you're referring to,
because ladies and gentlemen, there's a lot

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of different kinds all making exclusive truth
claims, which says the others are completely

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wrong, fraudulent, and may even
claim that the others are not even truly

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Christian. But I'm going to argue
that it never has been, never will

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be, and nor do I ever
want it to be. And I'm going

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to base it on some of the
following. All right, now, Typically

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you hear frequently in many churches that
America is a Christian nation, And I

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will argue that this is a very
complex and a debated topic if you're even

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remotely honest with the subject. Now, I think it's very fair to say

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the United States has had a significant
Christian population and foundation. It is important

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to recognize in America as a nation
is not officially a Christian nation in terms

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of its governmental struggle, and it's
really weird. On one hand, pastors

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will say America is a Christian nation, and then five seconds later they'll say,

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America is filled with all of these
people who profess Christianity, but they're

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not really saved. So is America
a Christian nation because people are Christians?

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Are you telling me that America is
filled with all false professors? So are

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they really Christians or not? If
they're not really Christian then and most of

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the people who claim to be Christians
are not really Christians, then how do

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you even come close to saying it's
a Christian nation? Because then you would

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say the reality of true Christian Christianity
is small, small, small, small.

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So is it either most of the
nation is Christian or most of the

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nation has just made up of false
professors? Which is it? Because Christians

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will go back and forth. One
minute they'll say, well, most America's

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Christian, and the next man will
say, well, mostly the American America's

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possessed profess christ but they don't possess
him. Well, then then it's not

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a Christian nation. Right, Even
from just a you know, majority perspective,

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here I think some points to consider. The United States was founded on

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the principles of religious freedom, as
reflected in the First Amendment of the Constitution,

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which prohibits the establishment of a state
religion. This ensures that people of

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all faiths are of no faith,
have the right to practice their beliefs without

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interference from the government. And that's
the way we want it to be.

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I do not want a state religion. I want people to have their freedom

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to believe or not to believe,
and I want them to have their freedom

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to believe whatever they want to believe
and exercise their faith, unless, of

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course it's going to call for violence
or death or well, you know where

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there would be some limits. But
other than that, I want people to

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have as much freedom as possible.
I want the Buddhists to have freedom.

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I want the muslim to have freedom. I want the Satanists to have freedom,

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because the freedom denied of others is
a freedom that I'm ultimately denying myself.

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It's not a Christian nation, it's
religious pluralism. This nation was founded

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for people to have religious freedom.
Now, now, let's be very honest.

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It didn't always practice that, especially
in areas where the Puritans took over.

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In many cases they persecuted and prohibited
anything else which they came here for

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freedom and then denied people the very
freedom they so want wanted for themselves.

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In some cases not in every case. No religious pluralism as a nation is

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concerned, is a good thing because
everyone has freedom. Religious pluralism from a

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philological perspective is not a good thing. Okay, we don't want religious pluralism

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and the church. We don't want
religious pluralism and our theoris, but we

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wanted in our nation because then people
are free, and we want that religious

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freedom. If we deny their freedom, guess what, we'll then have our

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freedom denied whenever the people we denied
comes to power. And that's what you

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see in Church history. If the
Catholics controlled an area, Protestants were persecuted,

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If Protestants were in charge of an
area, Catholics were persecuted. If

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Lutherans were in charge, and then
it would's and this constantly happened. If

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this person was in charge or this
group was in charge, then Athanacius was

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exiled from the area and had to
get We can go through church history where

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some of the church fathers faced persecution, are being exiled because well, another

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group took over, and then once
that group went away, then they could

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come back. And it's just ridiculous. That's not the way Christianity should be.

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There's no call for that connecting it
to political the political world. That's

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just that's just nothing good that comes
from that. So religious pluralism is more.

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We can also more of a secular
government. The US government operates as

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a secular entity, meaning it does
not endorse or promote any specific religion.

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The separation of church's state is a
foundational principle to prevent religious discrimination and ensure

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equality of all citizens, regardless of
their religious beliefs. It's a more secular

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form of government. We do not
want a theocracy of any kind. We

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don't want a theocratic monarchy. We
don't want anything like that. The church

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can be theocratic, the church can
be religious. The church the government is

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to be more secular in its approach
a diverse religious landscape. The United States

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is a diverse country, with people
practicing various religions, including Christianity, Islam,

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Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and
others. The diversity of beliefs and

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values contribut to the country's rich tapestry
and demonstrates that America is not exclusively a

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Christian nation. It's not exclusively a
Christian nation. It is not exclusively a

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Christian nation. It is not exclusively
a Christian nation. While Christianity has obviously

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played a significant role in shaping American
history and culture, the founding fathers intentionally

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established a secular government to prevent the
pitfalls of religious persecution and ensure the freedom

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of conscience for all citizens. The
United States courts have consistently upheld the separation

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of church and state, ruling against
attempts to impose religious beliefs through government institutions.

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This legal framework reinforces the idea that
America is not a Christian nation and

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an official capacity. These points highlight
the complexity of the issue and the importance

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of recognizing the diverse and inclusive nature
of American society, which represents the religious

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belief and freedoms of all of its
citizens. Now, this is the way

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I would say, you want America
to be a Christian nation? You want

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it. You don't do it through
force, you don't do it through voting.

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You know how you do it.
You pray, fast, preach and

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evangelize and if everyone in America becomes
a Christian. If everyone in America becomes

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a Christian, then I guess you
could refer to it as a Christian nation.

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But even if everyone in America became
a Christian, you know what I

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would still want. I would still
want the freedom of religion, and still

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no state endorsed religion. Because even
though if everyone in America became a Christian

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and they all became the same kind
of Christian, well what happens when someone

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comes to power and decides, hmm, you know what, I decided to

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become Catholic, and we're going to
get rid of all of these denominations because

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this is a Christian nation. But
it's a Catholic Christian nation. See,

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you don't want you don't ever want
it to turn into that. You want

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it to maintain that separation and no
state endorsed religion, no state religion of

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any kind. We want that freedom. And maybe that's my Baptist side of

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me. I think Baptist historically have
been very much ones to argue for we

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00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.559
don't want that, we want freedom. I want you to be able to

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build your church across the street and
say whatever ridiculous things you want to say

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00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:39.719
and preach whatever you want to preach. And I want the freedom to say

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you're wrong, and I want you
to have the freedom to say I'm wrong.

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And I want the pep I want
to the Muslims to be able to

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build a mosque right across the street
and practice their religion, and I want

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the freedom to be able to say
they're wrong, and I want them to

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have the freedom to say that I'm
wrong. So this is off to an

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00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:06.280
interesting start. This is off to
an interesting start. I'm going to back

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this up now so now you can
hear all of that in its context.

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Here we go, take your Bibles
and open with me to the Book of

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Psalms, chapter thirty three. I'm
going to preach about America, our nation,

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and I want to use some information
from this book by Robert Jeffers.

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He said America is a Christian nation. So I want to give credit to

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the person that wrote this book,
and matter of fact, he preaches on

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it this morning. How how many
heard Robert Jeffers? Anybody listened to Robert

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00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.880
Boy? You're missing the boy you
got? You got satellite? He's on

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about three times on Sunday mornings and
he has the most beautiful choir you ever

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heard in your life, and an
orchestra. And yes, they use drums,

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but they use it rightly. And
they use violins and they use it,

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and they use trumpets and trombones,
and I don't know what all the

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other things are, but it's some
of the greatest praise music. Now that's

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real praise music. It praises the
Lord, not the devil, and not

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the flesh. And I'm going to
say more about that a little bit later

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on. Okay, while you're looking
for Psalms thirty three, let me invite

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you to our church. We are
an old fashioned, independent missionary Bible believe

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in Bible preaching Baptist church. We
have two services on Sunday morning only ten

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and eleven am. We have a
survey. Also starting today the thirtieth of

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July. Thirtieth of June Sunday School. We're having Sunday school today for children

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00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.039
four to eleven years old. On
Wednesday night, we have at six o'clock

611
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:13.960
a Bible study for the adults and
also a large active youth program for young

612
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:19.079
people four through nineteen years old.
Also, you can hear us on the

613
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:23.239
radio every Sunday morning at eight o'clock
on w IOK one O seven point five

614
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:30.400
on the FM dial and ten o'clock
Sunday morning on WCYN fourteen hundred on the

615
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:39.960
AM dial. One versus scripture for
my subject. That's crazy hereinge, that

616
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.440
just blows my mind. In twenty
twenty four, you're telling everyone you're broadcasting

617
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.400
on radio. Why wouldn't you be
telling everyone where to get the podcast from?

618
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.599
Like I Sometimes churches when they talk, it's like, are we still

619
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:57.239
like thirty years ago? Why would
ever, Hey, you can tune in

620
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.000
at this time to hear us on
the radio. Why wouldn't you just say,

621
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.239
Hey, go to any of your
favorite podcasting app look up our church,

622
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.440
and you can listen to us whenever
you want. It's twenty twenty,

623
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:15.280
Hey, at eight am, you
can tune in and hear us on radio.

624
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.320
Well, why wouldn't you just say? Or you could just download your

625
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:24.360
favorite podcasting app, Apple podcast App
or our pocket casts or our overcast or

626
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:30.440
Spotify or Pandora or Amazon Music or
Deezer. I'm just naming apps that have

627
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.079
podcasts on them, and you can
and look for our church, and ladies

628
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:40.559
and gentlemen, you can like why
I did that? Seems so. Sometimes

629
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:44.039
I listen to churches and I'm like, what year are we in? What

630
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.039
year? I don't understand what year
we're in anymore. I always make the

631
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.760
joke that the church is twenty years
behind like that, Like that sounds like

632
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.239
it's like something from the nineteen seventies
orright from the nineteen eighties, maybe even

633
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.639
the nineteen nineties, Okay, but
at some point we moved on. Now

634
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:07.719
everyone has a phone, and on
that phone, they have access to this

635
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.639
thing we call the internet, and
they and they have access to their cell

636
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.519
phone service and they can access things
right, and they can download these things

637
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.679
called apps. And these apps,
well many of them are where we call

638
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.880
them podcast apps or their apps to
have other content, but they also have

639
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:29.440
podcasts on them. And then they
and then you take your messages, you

640
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:34.760
upload them, and then well once
you upload them to a podcast hosting site,

641
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.480
then that podcast hosting site will distribute
them to all of these other sites.

642
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.800
And then people can download your content
and they don't have to wait till

643
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:47.000
eight am on a Sunday or ten
am on a Sunday or six pm on

644
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.639
a Saturday and try to ensure that
they have radio reception to be able to

645
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:59.599
pick up the radio station they could
just that is bizarre. That that's truly,

646
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.079
that's a blast from the past,
that's what. Okay. So Psalm

647
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:09.079
thirty three, Here we go,
Here we go. Psalm thirty three,

648
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:17.280
Chapter thirty three of Psalms, Verse
twelve. Blessed is the nation whose God

649
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:25.719
is the Lord, and the people
whom he has chosen for his own inheritance.

650
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:36.039
The question I want to ask,
is America a blessed nation or a

651
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:46.400
cursed nation? The nation that reverence
God will be blessed by God. A

652
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:54.079
nation that rejects God will be rejected
by God. I want to preach on

653
00:54:54.199 --> 00:55:05.199
the subject God bless America again.
The problem in America is a heart problem.

654
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:14.559
We as America needs a heart transplant
by the great physician. Okay,

655
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:19.079
ladies and gentlemen, we are about
to get into some philological issues. Okay.

656
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.519
So first of all, Psalm thirty
three, Blessed is the nation who's

657
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:27.920
God is the Lord, the people
he has chosen as his own inheritance.

658
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.599
Now, I would ask you,
can that, in any way, shape

659
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:36.360
or form, reference America or does
that primarily have a focus on Maybe I

660
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.199
don't know the nation of Israel,
whom God has chosen for his inheritance.

661
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:45.760
Right, God chose Israel, made
a covenant with them. There's promises in

662
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.039
that. Okay, so you can
just steal with that. But here's the

663
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.880
thing, all right, now,
I know this gets controversial, but that's

664
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.760
okay. We have to deal with
this. He says, what America needs

665
00:55:54.840 --> 00:56:00.280
is a heart transplant, a national
heart transplant. Now, for our herd

666
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.000
transplant to occur would mean every person
in America would have to receive a new

667
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.800
heart. So here's the thing.
I know. This is typically taught in

668
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.800
most churches. I've asked people to
draw a chart trying to map this out,

669
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.199
and everyone's acknowledged that when you listen
to lots of sermons, you will

670
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:21.480
come away totally and utterly confounded and
confused because at times it's so contradictory.

671
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:29.000
So I know that most Christians believe
that practically speaking, practically, when you

672
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.960
become a Christian, you become a
new creature. The old is gone and

673
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:37.480
everything is new, meaning that the
old nature is gone, the old heart

674
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.440
is gone. You have a new
nature, a new heart. Now you

675
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:45.280
can say yes to God and you
can say noicein now if you truly believe

676
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.719
that to be true. Practically,
well, then basically Christians not only can

677
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:54.960
be perfect, they should be perfect
because they have now nothing internally keeping them

678
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.039
from spiritual perfection. They have nothing
but a new nature and heart internally,

679
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:05.800
and that should drive all of their
external behavior, and it's flowing from which

680
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:10.159
is basically perfect on the inside.
Now, Christians will almost talk that way,

681
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:14.840
and then five seconds later say,
however, you're never gonna be truly

682
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.800
sinless. You're gonna continue to fight, You're gonna continue to struggle. Wait

683
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:21.719
a minute, what am I fighting
in struggling? If I'm a new creature,

684
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.920
the old is completely gone and everything
is new, then I should be

685
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.800
basically perfect. But then you can't
turn around and say, well, no,

686
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:30.840
nobody can be perfect. Well,
then what's keeping me from perfection?

687
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:36.159
If I have a new heart and
a new nature. Now some people will

688
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:37.880
say, well, you get a
new heart and a new nature. They

689
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.239
may speak of those two things as
being separate, but then they say,

690
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.519
the old heart and the old nature
remain, So now you've got two natures

691
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:51.840
and two hearts. Others will say
heart and nature is synonymous of the same

692
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:57.119
thing. So now you had an
old nature slash heart. Now you have

693
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.079
a new nature slash heart. So
you have both side of you. And

694
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:04.000
the way it was preached to me
early in my Christian life, you have

695
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.079
two natures inside of you. Think
of them as like you know two dogs,

696
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:15.159
and the one you feed the most
will become stronger. So if I

697
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:20.039
feed my new nature more, it
will become stronger over my old nature.

698
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:22.639
And how do you feed it?
Well, if I read my Bible more,

699
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.039
go to church more, listen to
sermons more, then it will be

700
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.440
so strong it can dominate and control
the old nature. If I don't feed

701
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.000
the new nature, the old nature
will rise up and be more dominant.

702
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.159
So you've got these two going on
inside of you. So some people almost

703
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.960
speak of it like you have four. Some people speak of you have two.

704
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:45.000
Some people speak as if the old
is completely gone right, And obviously

705
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:50.760
there's no agreement in Christianity about this. So if you say everyone gets a

706
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:52.559
new heart, does the old go
away? Now, I've also heard it

707
00:58:52.840 --> 00:59:00.320
talked about that in a sense,
Sin comes knocking on your door, and

708
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.239
you have to decide who's going to
answer the door, your old nature your

709
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:07.679
new nature, which again almost makes
you sound schizophrenic makes you sound like,

710
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.599
well, then how do I control
it? All? Right? So some

711
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.079
people make it sound like, how
does it work if you get a new

712
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.280
heart? Is the old gone?
Or is the new? Like? How

713
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.480
does it work? Nobody seems to
be able to clearly articulate. I know

714
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:27.880
this when the Bible says that if
anyone's in Christ is a new creature,

715
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.400
old things have passed away, all
things have become new. That has not

716
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:35.280
anything to do with you practically.
That is your positional standing before God because

717
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:38.679
of his imputed righteousness. You stand
before God a new creature, the oldest

718
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:45.639
gone. Everything is new positionally practically, and all evidence would indicate this.

719
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:50.800
You're still a sinner. You still
have a sinful nature, you still have

720
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:54.679
a sinful heart. That's why you
still sin, and you will continually sin.

721
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:59.760
And that's why you can never obey
God's law anywhere close to perfect.

722
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:05.679
And that's why we are saved by
an imputed righteousness, not an infused righteousness.

723
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:15.119
The entire Reformation came down to that
distinction, imputed not infused, spiritual

724
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:22.320
heart. Now, let me say
some things about America. Number one,

725
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:29.920
take notes, Please, the devil
has a grip on our country has a

726
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:37.199
grip on our country. Our nation
was founded upon Christian principles. Don't you

727
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.440
ever forget that. Now they're trying
to get rid of that in schools and

728
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:44.639
public places. They are trying to
erase the name of God and no mention

729
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:51.039
of God in anything worth heaven.
But we were built on a Christian principles.

730
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.519
Now, I want to show you
this, and it's quite lengthy,

731
01:00:54.159 --> 01:01:01.119
but it's now. If Satan has
got his hand or control kind of America,

732
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:06.679
why did God let him do that? So God didn't so God's not

733
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:13.119
in charge. Now he's getting ready
to go. America was founded on Christian

734
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.840
principles. Again, I've already kind
of gone through the way the nation was

735
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:22.840
actually structured. Christianity obviously was influential. We cannot deny that. You cannot

736
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:28.360
deny the influence of Christianity. I
mean, you'd be a fool to say

737
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:34.079
that. But the issue is it
was never a established Christian religion. There

738
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.519
was not a state religion. That
was the whole thing. America was not

739
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:42.320
to do that. They were fleeing
religious persecution. Don't do that when you

740
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:45.920
come here, don't do even attempt
But there were attempts to do that early

741
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:51.159
on. Now he's gonna say something
lengthy. We're already at an hour.

742
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.440
Of course, these all go so
fast, so I may I may just

743
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:58.400
do a little bit to see what
he's getting ready to say. This is

744
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:01.360
probably going to turn into a never
ending like he's going to quote some historical

745
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:05.639
facts. I could go check other
historical This is going to turn into that

746
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:12.760
kind of argument. Okay, but
here we go worth hearing. First of

747
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.000
all, let me read this to
you about our founding fathers, our founding

748
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:29.400
fathers. Benjamin Franklin suggested that the
Constitutional Convention should seek God's blessing in an

749
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:35.400
opening prayer at every session. During
the meeting on June to twenty eighth,

750
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:42.559
seventeen eighty seven, Franklin said,
I have lived a long time, and

751
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:46.360
the longer I live, the more
convincing proofs I see of this truth that

752
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:53.119
God governs the affairs of men.
Sound like he believed in the sovereignty of

753
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:59.000
God. He said, And if
a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without

754
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:05.679
his knowledge, it is probable that
an entire can raise without his age?

755
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:12.719
Can it? No cannot rise without
his aid? Okay, He's quoting Benjamin

756
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:20.679
Franklin now. Benjamin Franklin's religious beliefs
are a topic of great debate amongst scholars

757
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:24.360
and historians. He was raised in
a pure basically in a pure as a

758
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:30.920
Puritan, and had appreciation for religious
principles. His personal beliefs evolved throughout his

759
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.800
life, leading to some ambiguity regarding
his religious affiliation. Here are some points

760
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:42.320
to consider regarding Benjamin Franklin's view on
religion. Deist tendencies. Franklin often associated

761
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.840
with deism, a religious and philosophical
belief that that basically puts forth the idea

762
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:51.239
of the existence of a creator who
established the universe but does not intervene in

763
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:57.159
human affairs. Deists typically reject organized
religion and emphasize reason and nature as source

764
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:02.400
of spiritual insight. Diverse religious Franklin
showed an interest in various religious traditions,

765
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:11.360
including Christianity, but also explored other
faiths as Quakerism and free Freemasonry. He

766
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:15.519
valued ethical teachings and moral virtues found
in different religions rather than subscribing to strict

767
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:21.559
dogma. Franklin's public statements and writings
often reference God and religious concepts, reflecting

768
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.960
a belief in a divine power and
moral order. However, he was critical

769
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:31.559
of religious hypocrisy and superstition, advocating
for a rational approach to spirituality. Throughout

770
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:38.800
his life, Franklin express commitment to
various living, personal to virtuous living,

771
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:44.679
personal integrity, and social responsibility.
His emphasis on ethical behavior and civic engagement

772
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:48.519
aligned with many religious values, even
if he did not adhere to traditional Christian

773
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:54.880
doctrine and conclusion. While Benjamin Franklin's
religious beliefs may not fit neatly into a

774
01:04:54.920 --> 01:05:00.960
conventional Christian category, his complex views
on spirituality, morality, and philosophy demonstrate

775
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:04.199
a very nuanced approach to faith.
Franklin's legacy is a thinker, inventor,

776
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:13.199
and statesmen, reflects a practical and
pragmatic worldview shaped by diverse influences. Now,

777
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.280
it's always amazing that when people want
to go back and people do this,

778
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:18.639
the same thing that people do the
same thing with the Church Fathers.

779
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.840
Drives me crazy. They do it
with our founding fathers, They do it

780
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:28.000
with the early Church fathers. If
you are Baptist or Reformed, you go

781
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.960
find things from the Church fathers to
see see they think just like they thought,

782
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:34.760
just like we did, and then
ignore everything else. They said.

783
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:40.760
You see this with baptism. See
see see they believe in baptizing babies,

784
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:45.079
and they also believed in baptizing people
in the nude. They also believed in

785
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:46.760
all of these things you have to
do in order to be bab You don't

786
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.880
believe any of that. So it's
like everybody wants to go to the church

787
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:55.599
fathers and the founding fathers to only
read into them what you believe and what

788
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.960
you think, instead of letting them
be who they are. We say this

789
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:02.880
about the church fathers. Let them
be who they were. Don't make them

790
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:06.360
into something they're not. They're not
a member of your first Baptist church or

791
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:11.400
your first Lutheran church. They were
who they were with their own thoughts and

792
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:15.440
ideas. What we do is go
see what they thought. Unless we're going

793
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.840
to assign magisterial authority to them,
there's no need to go. What do

794
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.920
you gain by saying, well,
this church father agrees with me? Well,

795
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:27.000
congratulations? Are you saying they have
magistul authority? No? Then who

796
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.480
cares if they agree with you?
You can give me a list of fifteen

797
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.400
church fathers who agrees with you.
I don't care because I thought, as

798
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:39.320
the Protestant, the Bible is the
authority, not the Church fathers. And

799
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:42.840
guess what, you can go and
try to make the church the founding fathers

800
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.159
will say they said this, and
they said this, and they said that.

801
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.239
Okay. The argument is, we
don't want this nation to be a

802
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:55.360
Christian nation because we don't want a
state religion. And if you want that,

803
01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:00.000
you're not a thinking of the unintended
consequences of it. But see,

804
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.840
he's only going to give us certain
quotes by Franklin. He's not going to

805
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:10.840
go into the complexity of Franklin's beliefs
because well, that doesn't quite fit the

806
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:18.079
narrative. We have been assured in
the Sacred Writings, which is your Bible,

807
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:26.719
that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build

808
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:38.679
it. Do you notice what he's
doing. Remember he said he was going

809
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:41.920
to use that book by Robert Jeffers, right, And I do believe it's

810
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:45.159
Jeffris. I do believe that's the
way you say. If I said it

811
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:47.360
incorrectly, I apologize. I do
believe it's Robert Jeffers, or maybe he

812
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.880
said it differently. I don't know. Someone of us said it differently.

813
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Now, please note he's using that
book. Now, class what is this

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called? Is he using primary source
or secondary source? He's using a secondary

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source. So then you would have
to go grab that book by Robert Jeffers

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to see if there's footnotes. Then
go find the primary source, find out

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when Franklin supposedly said this, or
whichever church fough or said it, and

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then say, okay, now let's
go look at a broader look at all

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of what Franklin believed, and then
understand these context and that broader context.

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But he's using a secondary source that's
making references to other sources. And then

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you and you know, you know, is Robert Jeffers using the primary source

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or is he taking it from a
secondary So this may not even be a

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secondary source, This may be third
this may be wait because a lot of

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times what happens. Pastors will pick
up a book and say, well,

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this person is quoting, you know, Benjamin Franklin, and then you go

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follow the footnote, go, no, he's not actually quoting Benjamin Franklin.

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He's quoting from a book that supposedly
is quoting from Benjamin Franklin. Then you

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go follow that footnote, and that's
actually quoting from a book supposedly quote and

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nobody. He's actually quoting from an
original source. People do this with church

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fathers all the time. Well this
book said this church father said this.

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I'm like, well, where's the
actual source from the church father's writings?

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Now, at least that's what I
think he's doing, because it sounds like

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you hear him turning pages and he
said he was going to be using that

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book. So I'm assuming he's referencing. He's got it marked in the book.

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He's not stating where he's getting the
quote from. I'm not denying the

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legitimacy of the quote. I'm just
saying, whenever we're going to deal with

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the church fathers or the founding fathers, it's never as black and white as

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we always like to make it.
We always want to put them in our

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jersey and our an, our theological
team, or our political team. And

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it drives me crazy how we do
that. Lajor states had a religious requirement

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in order to hold any sort of
political office. For example, here's what

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every elected or appointed official in Delaware
had to subscribe to. According to Article

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twenty two of the state Constitution.
I do profess faith in God the Father,

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and in Jesus Christ, his only
Son, and the Holy Ghost,

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One God blessed forevermore. And I
do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old

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and you Testament to be given by
divine inspiration. That message Terry Leach preached

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last week was a classic I've never
heard in fifty six years of ministry.

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I've never heard a greater sermon on
the Word of God. I mean,

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it was a classic sermon about the
Bible. Let me go on, George

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W. Wasshington, our first president. Now the Delaware Religious Tests. There

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was a test in the Delaware Constitution
of seventeen seventy six. It contained provision

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that required all office holders to profess
faith in God and do a firm belief

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in the Christian religion. This requirement
effectively served as a religious test for public

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officials, limiting eligibility based on religious
beliefs. However, over time, the

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influence of this religious test waned as
Delaware in the United States moved towards a

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more secular approach to governance. The
US Constitution's Establishment Clause, which prohibits the

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government from establishing favoring any particular religion
played a significant role in the eventual elimination

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of religious tests for a office holding
at both the federal and state levels.

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Please note the US Constitution ultimately led
to the elimination of religious tests. On

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one hand, Christians are like the
Constitution the Constitution. On the other hand,

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we will forget the Constitution. Is
he saying we want a religious test.

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Is he saying that that was a
good thing? He say we want

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a Christian a national state religion.
Religious tests for holding public offices are generally

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considered on constitutional on the United States, as they violate the principle of religious

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freedom. Delaware, like other states, has removed such requirements from its laws

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and constitutions to uphold the separation of
church and state and promote religious freedom and

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equality among all citizens. Now,
so, on one hand, there is

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truth to that, but it did
go away. Now it's I think it's

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being read in assists that people I
wish we could go back to the good

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old days. No, I don't
want to go back to the good old

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days. I don't want a national
religion. I don't want a state religion.

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I don't want anything like that.
In his first novel address, he

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said he said being almighty God,
who rules over the universe except for God.

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John Adams, the second President of
our country, wrote, the general

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principles on which the fathers achieved independence
were the general principles of Christianity. I

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will avow that I then believed,
and now believe, that those general principles

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of Christianity are as eternal and immutable
as the existence and attributes of God our

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constitution. He went on the sun. Now he quoted George Washington. Again.

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Just take a little bit of research
here. George Washington's religious beliefs have

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been a topic of discussion among historians
and scholars. While Washington was known to

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attend Christian services and reference God in
his writings and speeches, the specifics of

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his personal faith remain a subject of
debate. Episcopal background, Washington was raised

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in the Anglican Church of England and
regularly attended services throughout his life. He

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was familiar with Christian Christian teaching and
values. Now please note Benjamin Franklin was

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01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:14.640
raised Puritan. He's raised of the
Church of England, all right, so

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an ultimately Episcopalian, raised in the
Anglican Church of England. The Anglican Church

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01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:26.600
of England so now which one gets
to be in charge? Again? This

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is what will lead to But here, once again, we saw this with

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Benjamin Franklin. Deistic influence. Some
historians suggest that Washington's beliefs may have been

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influenced by deism, a philosophical position
that acknowledges a creator but does not adhere

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01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:44.439
to specific religious doctrines. Washington's reference
to a supreme architect or providence and his

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writings have been interpreted as reflective of
deistic ideas. Washington was known to be

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private about his personal beliefs, rarely
discussing religion openly. This has led to

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very interpretations the depth of his Christian
faith. So once again, it's not

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as easy as everyone makes it out
to be. Now again, I'm just

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doing real time research. I'm utilizing
artificial intelligence to do some of this.

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So but immediately I'm asking, now, I'm not saying that this is that.

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I'm just saying he's giving quotes,
not telling us where the quotes are

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coming from. And there's no context
in which to establish this. And if

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George Washington, and even if you're
quoting some of these certain things that he's

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01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:30.159
quoting some of these things, how
do they ultimately play out in a governmental

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01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:35.479
setting. Once the constitution is established, and once we start trying to then

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how do we these constitutional requirements and
the way this kind of a almost a

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01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.520
secular form of government, how is
that going to play out with the desire

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for many to almost have a more
religious almost a state or or national religion.

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Well, clearly the more secular approach
ultimately wins out. And I think

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ultimately he was beneficial because we came
here to flee religious persecution. They was

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made only for a moral and religious
people. It is wholly inadequate to the

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government of any other. Our forefathers
designed this country and its constitution with the

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assumption that the people would be guided
by a belief in and obedience to God.

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John Jay was the first chief of
justice. Again, well, and

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a God. Maybe some believed in
the God, maybe some had just the

913
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:44.359
idea of it just a general supreme
being. Obviously, Theism was dominant at

914
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:48.399
that time. Theism was Obviously Theism
was dominant. Theism is not Christianity,

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ladies and gentlemen. But again,
even if that's the case, is that

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the way the government should be established. That's the issue. So we're going

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to stop there. Again, that's
God bless America again. Part one really

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make it very far? We didn't. Really we got into some basic issues.

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You should go listen to the rest. Maybe we'll do some more review

920
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:10.560
of it. Maybe we want to
get to part two because I think then

921
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it will probably have much more of
a response to the shooting. But so

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what we learned in this hour plus
is that American Family Radio is the first

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01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:26.199
ministry to respond to the shooting of
Donald Trump and actually give the name of

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the person who was killed at the
rally. I appreciate them doing that.

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Once again, God is being spoken
of, is his providence, his sovereignty

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stopping the bullet? But no one
addresses then why doesn't God didn't God stop

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01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.720
the bullet for the other person?
No one still wants to address that.

928
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:47.920
Nobody wants to That's just like I
don't know why nobody wants to be confronted

929
01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:51.680
with that. And then we're listening
to a sermon about God blessing America again

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based on Psalm thirty three. It
just immediately somehow assumes some thirty three has

931
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something to do with the United States
of America, and then making a lot

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lot of claims about the early America
almost calling for almost it sounds like some

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form of a national or state religion. I don't know if they're going to

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go that far, and we addressed
some of those issues and did a little

935
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:18.039
bit of research. There we have
it. That's what we've accomplished today as

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I continue to monitor how the church
is responding to the shooting of Donald Trump.

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And again, the reason we're reviewing
this sermon is because this is part

938
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one. The part one was prior
to the shooting. Part two was preached

939
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after the shooting. So since there's
part of a two part kind of mini

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series, then I wanted to put
the two parts together. So maybe we'll

941
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do more review. We will see, but I challenge you to go listen

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to both so that you can hear
their perspective. Most of you will agree

943
01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:58.039
with his perspective because I think most
Christians do want some form of a I

944
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:00.720
think we're almost reached the point.
I think think the majority of Christians today

945
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almost want some kind of a national
state religion. I think they do.

946
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:09.000
I think we would have to do
some surveys on it, but I think

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most America, most Christians, let
me say most conservative Christians almost want that

948
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today and that's frightening to me.
That's frightening to me. But so I

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will stand in the minority there.
Maybe I'm in the majority. I don't

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know. I think if you take
all of christiandom, I think the majority

951
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.119
will be like no no no no
no no no no. But I think

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01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.600
if you take a subset and you
take very conservative Christians, they almost want

953
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:44.079
a Christian nationalism, a state or
national religion, and that is I don't.

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That's the direction I don't want the
church to go. I don't,

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And I would argue Church history proves
that whenever those two merge, state and

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01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:59.279
the church, people are going to
die, and the rights you deny others

957
01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.279
will be rights ultimately denied you.
And that works great when state and religion

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01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:06.439
work together, when it's your form
of Christianity that's in charge. When your

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01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:11.159
form of Christianity is no longer in
charge, or another religion takes over,

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well then you're going to regret ever
wanting that. But there we go.

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You can email me news I F
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a great day, God bless