Oct. 16, 2024
Floating Axe Head
A discussion about 2 Kings 6:1-7
A discussion about 2 Kings 6:1-7
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central.
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Good morning everyone. It is Wednesday, October sixteenth, twenty twenty four.
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It is currently ten forty nine am Central Time, and
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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central
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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, as a Christian,
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you have probably heard lots of discussions about interpreting the Bible.
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Sometimes someone may actually use the word hermeneutic or hermeneutics,
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or maybe someone will talk to you about Bible study
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or maybe Bible study methods and talk about the different
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principles and the different ideas you need to know in
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order to interpret the scriptures correctly. And a lot of
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times you'll hear discussion about do we interpret this passage allegorically,
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do we spiritual it or do we take it very
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literally right? Do we take it in its historical textual context?
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And you'll hear a lot of discussion about these principles.
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But if you listen to a lot of preaching, sometimes
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pastors who put forth a specific hermeneutical idea will seem
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to almost violate it in their preaching, which can probably
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be very confusing for the person sitting in the pew. Well,
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I thought these were the principles we use, but in
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this passage we seem to throw all of that out.
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We're not worried about the historical grammatical. We've gone very
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allegorical or spiritual. So which is it? Well, then they
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may make some exception, and of course if you add
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too many exceptions, then your entire herminutic becomes very subjective,
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and it can be become very problematic. It can get
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very I don't know what it's like for the person
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sitting in the pew, but I know, at least for
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me with you know, Bible Institute, Bible collegists, seminary, you know,
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with education, it can still be confusing for me because
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I'm like, well, wait a minute, what are we doing here?
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And there's one passage of scripture that I have heard
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so many sermons on that to this day, I don't
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really know what hermeneutical principles we are utilizing. And that
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is the story of the floating axe head. The floating axehead,
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and this story is found in Second Kings Chapter six,
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Second King's Chapter six. Here at a minute, I will
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read the seven verses that make up this narrative that
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makes up this story, and I just want I'm going
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to stress that I'm going to read to you the
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seven verses that make up this narrative. But these seven
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verses have turned into hundreds of thousands of hours of preaching,
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and most of the preaching is very, in my estimation,
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allegorical spiritualizing the text. And at times it's like, what,
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I don't know exactly what principles were utilizing? How are
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we coming to these conclusions? What are we basing these
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conclusions on? But you're not supposed to ask those questions
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because well then you'll be seen as being a trouble maker.
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But I'm going to be a little bit of a
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trouble maker this morning. And here's what's going on. I
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sat down like, Okay, well we've been working on first John.
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That's being you know, that's a lot of work, kind
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of tedious. Okay, we've been doing that. I know we
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kind of mentioned what was it, second Kings? I think
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it's chapter fifteen about those a list of kings told
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you to start looking up sermons about that. Well, probably
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need to review a sermon on that, so maybe maybe
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I will look Okay, maybe all right, we're working on
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some other things. Okay, what do I do? What do
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I do? So I'm well, the one thing again. I
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know this year, we're fast approaching the end of this year.
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It's hard to believe, you know, it's October sixteenth. Before
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we know it, it's all over. And the main one
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of the major challenges goals for twenty twenty four was
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the Sermons two point oh app sermon challenge, listening to
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a random sermon for every single day of the year.
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So I'm like, well, let me look at my you know,
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let's look at I think I looked either under my
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feed tab on the sermon's two point oh app. Maybe
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I looked at new sermons, but I saw a sermon
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entitled check your axe head. Check your axe head Now.
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Immediately as soon as I saw that, I knew it
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was going to be Second King's Chapter six. I knew
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it was gonna be Second Kings Chapter six. I absolutely
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knew it. So I listened to a little bit of it,
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found out that it was Second King's Chapter six, and
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then immediately the title tells me what they're going to do,
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check your axe head. Oh, so now we're gonna go
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to Second King's chapter six about a floating axe head,
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and somehow magically it's gonna be about my axe head?
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Is it gonna be about a literal ox head? Now? No,
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the ax head now is going to so immediately, I
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know we're going to go spiritualizing, We're going to go allegorizing.
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This is and this is what almost everyone does. So
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I'm like, well, maybe this will be worth the time
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to listen and to review. So let's let's just go
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to Second King's chapter six. Let's go to Second King's
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chapter six. Let me read the text. Now, what I
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almost started. I almost wanted to begin this episode with
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just reading the text and then asking you what you
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would do with it. But I thought we would really
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kind of turn it into a lesson about hermeneutics and
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Bible interpretation. Either way, I guess I could have made
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it the lesson. It was just how do I how
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do I want to begin today? But I want you
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to just think about this, and I want you to
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just ask yourself, for if you've never heard a sermon,
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if you've never read a commentary, if you've never done anything,
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and you were to open your Bibles and you were
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to read this story, what would you do? Second King's
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Chapter six, Verse one, and the sons of the Prophets said,
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unto Elisha, behold now the place where we dwell with
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thee is too straight for us verse two. So verse one,
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what do we have? I know we're gonna interpret verse
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one as very literal, are we not? We have the
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sons of the prophets, they speak unto Alaisha. We're gonna say,
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the sons of the Prophets are real people. Elisha is
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real people. Behold now the place where we dwell I'm
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assuming we're gonna see that as a literal place is
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too straight for us. Verse two. Let us go, we
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pray thee unto Jordan, and take thence every man of beam,
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and let us make a place there where we may dwell.
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And he answered, go, ye, so hey, we don't. We
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can't stay here anymore. We need to go. We need
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a bigger place. And so if we're gonna take material
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and we're gonna go, seems pretty now again, you do
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you go in and start saying, well, the beams represent this,
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and the place represents this, and this represents this, and
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this represents that. Even if you start doing that, what
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are you basing that off of But I think if
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you were just to read that, you would just see
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this as like a historical narrative. Right. Verse three, and
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one said be content, I pray thee and go with
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thy servants, And he answered, I will go.
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Verse four.
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So he went with them, and when they came to
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the Jordan, they cut down wood. All right, we only
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have three verses left. We only have three verses left.
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We only have three verses left.
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Right. Verse five.
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But as one was felling the beam, the axe head
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fell into the water, and he cried and said, alas, master,
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for it was borrowed. Right, So the axe head falls
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into the water, and he's he's upset. You know, master,
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what it was borrowed. I've lost the axe head. Okay,
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Now for us we may be like, what's what's the
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big deal?
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Now?
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Is there some historical context that would make this a
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big deal? Or do we spiritualize it? Well, now, now
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we only have two verses left. Verse six, and the
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man of God said where fell it? And he showed
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him the place, and he cut down a stick, cast
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it and thither and the iron did swim. Hey, where
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is it? He cuts down a stick, puts it in
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the water, and the axe head did swim it floats
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Verse seven therefore said he take it up to thee,
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and he put it out. He put out his hand
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and he took it. There's the entire narrative, seven verses,
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Second King six one through seven. Now what do you
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do with this? How do you handle this text? You've
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been a Christian five years, ten years, fifteen years. You're
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meeting a brand new Christian, a brand new Maybe they've
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been a Christian for six months, they've been a Christian
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for a year. They're just starting to really dig into scripture.
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They're trying to understand scripture. They asked to meet you,
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I don't know, somewhere restaurant, coffeehouse, somewhere you go. You're
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sitting down and like, hey, this morning, for my devotionals,
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I was reading Second Kings, chapter six, verses one through seven.
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Please help me understand this. How would you explain it
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to them?
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Now?
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Now, on one hand, you may explain something, you know,
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some big spiritual picture because you've heard it in a sermon.
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But at that point the new Christian may be like, well,
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how did you come up with all of that? Now?
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I know I've heard people preach this, and more people
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in the pew will go to the pastor, how did
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you see this? I've never seen this in the text.
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Now.
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Sometimes what frustrates me is the pastor doesn't just simply
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say well, I got this from this pastor or from
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this commentary, or from this sermon, or from this book.
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And in many cases I know exactly where they got
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it from, because I'm like, I've read that same book,
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I've heard that same sermon. Okay, but I don't say anything.
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Sometimes I just shake my head. It's like, just come on,
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tell them where you got it from. Okay. But they
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will get to say, well, this represents this, and this
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represents this, and then the stick being cut down and
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put in the water. See that's Jesus Christ dying on
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the cross. That's the cross. And when the cross is
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put into the water, and then it causes Okay. I
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could go through all the things. I've even had to
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write papers in Bible, college and seminary trying to go
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with this more spiritualized version of this. And there's been
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times I've been like, I think we're just making all
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of this up. I just think that this is crazy.
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Now I do understand. I will say this, though when
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you read the text, it does seem kind of odd. Right,
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You're kind of like an axe aad You put stick
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in the water, and a stick in the water makes
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the axe head float. So I can understand the desire
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for preachers to say, well, I think something else is
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going on here. There's got to be something. There's god
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to be a spiritual picture. I can understand that. The
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issue is, well, then how do you, basically, how do
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you color the picture? If you believe this is a
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picture where there's no color there? Right, it's a it's
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just a sheet of paper, And so where do you
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draw the lines? And how do you color it? In
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saying this represents this, this represents this, this represents this,
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And why is it that all the people who paint
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some kind of spiritual picture some kind of allegory here?
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How come there's disagreement on sometimes what the picture is
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and what the details are. Does that not then make
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hermeneutics and Bible interpretation very subjective? At the same time,
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if I just reduce this to, yeah, someone lost an
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axe head. They put a stick in the water and
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it floated. The end, Well, what's the meaning you Well,
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the meaning is in this particular case, an axehead was recovered. No,
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it's got to mean more than that. It's it's got
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a picture. Jesus. Well, I know I think that you're
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claiming that that's the case. So what should we do. Well, now,
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the sermon work that I have queueda it is called
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check your accent. So obviously the ac said now is
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going to represent something that applies to you, to me,
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to everyone, And I don't know how you draw that
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conclusion is well, we'll throw out a lot of harmonutical
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questioning of this as we as we go through. I
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think this is going to get really crazy. So here's
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what I've done. I've been doing this recently. A lot
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of times we go into these sermon reviews completely blind.
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I did not go into this completely blind. I listened
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to enough of it to know it was Second King's
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chapter six, because I already assumed it was, but I
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was verifying. I then did some my own work and
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looking up some things, so I have notes, so I'm
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a little bit prepared. I did fast forward through the
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first part of this sermon because there's some discussion I
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gifts someone in the church has gotten engaged. Then I
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can't remember he makes some jokes about it. Then they're
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trying to get nursery workers because they're having some I
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guess they call him it Jubilee coming up in like,
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nursery workers. Then he reads Second Kings chapter six, verses
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one through seven. Then I think there's someone in the
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congregation praying. There's just a lot of stuff going on.
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And then finally, finally, after all of that, the message begins.
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Now it's going to begin by him immediately saying leave
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Second Kings and go to someone nineteen, which I found
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