Sept. 23, 2024
Evening Confession
Ending a depressing and discouraging day with a time of confession.
Ending a depressing and discouraging day with a time of confession.
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. This is where
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I would say good evening everyone, but I am removing
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the word good from my vocabulary. I think there was
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a broadcast of what the other day where I wouldn't
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say good morning, I would just say morning. Well. I
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don't want to say good evening. I just want to
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say it is well. It is Sunday, September the twenty second,
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twenty twenty four, it is currently nine forty eight pm
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Central time, and I'm coming to you live from the
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Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. How
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are you doing? How was your day?
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How is church?
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Have you had any conversations today about things going on
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in the Christian world? Did you hear any discussion about
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certain things going on in the Christian world? Did you
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have any discussions or hear any thoughts or words or
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things said about a very specific individual who has been
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removed from ministry because of sin? Have you heard about
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that today? In some ways, if you heard no discussion
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about it, if no one mentioned it, maybe in some
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ways that is is that a well? I don't want
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to use the word good. That's a thing it Maybe
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it was a positive I don't know, or maybe it's
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actually a negative. If you didn't hear anything about it,
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if no one is talking about it, if no one
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is mentioning it, is that a good thing or is
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that a bad thing? I'm very conflicted. I just know this.
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This entire day has been one of I just feel depressed.
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I just feel discouraged.
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I just feel.
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I I don't want to be hyperbolic, but there's just
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a point. I just feel like I just want to
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give up. And maybe I just want to give up
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because maybe it says more about me than it does
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anything else.
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I don't know. But if you.
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Listen to my messages this morning, Sunday School and Sunday Morning, right,
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we talked about sin and lordship salvation for Sunday School,
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we talked about Romans chapter two, verse one that therefore
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for the morning worship, And if you listen to all
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of that, you know that there was one major thing
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that was impacting everything I said, and that is well
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the recent development of a very famous pastor being removed
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from ministry. Most are saying he is now permanently disqualified.
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His ministry is forever over because of a specific sin. Now,
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it's kind of interesting since the sin has not really
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been outlined. Since the sin has not been really defined,
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I think everyone is just assuming what the sin is,
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and then everyone is pronouncing their judgment. And as I've
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read all the comments and I have kept up with
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how this is being talked about, I'm just going to
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tell you I've become more and more discouraged and more
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and more depressed. Because basically, you can put the category,
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you can put the comments into a couple of categories,
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and the two main categories is, well, this proves the
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man was never saved. This proved this man committed a sin.
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He was never saved. He's not of the he's not
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one of the real you know, of the regenerate people
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of God. He's he's not saved. And that has just
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been so heartbreaking to see. But the other one is
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even more convoluted and complicated because I saw numerous comments, Well,
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if he would have just asked God for help, if
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he would have just trusted God, God is there to
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give us strength to say no to temptation, and God
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is there to keep us from sin. Well, if God
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is there to keep us from sin, well, then no
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one should sin. So it's it's either the man wasn't
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saved or the man was saved, but he just did
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not turn to God because God will keep us from
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sin as if we can be perfect, which both both
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and and then and then the comments go away all
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over the place. So it's just been sad. Now I'm
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still not going to mention the man's name because I
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have no desire to do that. I just I just
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don't see the value in that, right, because how I
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want to.
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In some ways I could.
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I could mention the name now because it's everywhere right, right,
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So maybe I'm just doing it just for a maybe
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maybe to try to demonstrate something. Maybe I'm trying to
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teach a lesson. Maybe what I'm trying to demonstrate is, yes,
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everyone's talking about it, but just throwing more things upon
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it is not of any value.
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What I'm trying to do.
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Is like, here's the situation. You know about it, I
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know about it. We don't need to dig into all
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of the particulars. What we need to do is what
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can we learn from it? What can we learn about?
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What can we learn? What benefit can we gain from it?
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Because in the reality is it's not about us. It's
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about that individual and all the pain that arises from sin. Look,
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sin always brings pain and destruction. It always does, it
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always does, right, Sin always brings pain and destruction. And
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so right now there's people hurting. Right now, there's people suffering,
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and that's just that's not good, like that should bother us.
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It's like when you read the comments, some people will
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mention some of the suffering, but then they want to
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pick some Well, this person is probably suffering more than
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this person, and it's like everyone's taking side, everyone has,
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you know, they're the you know, they stand on the
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moral high ground.
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They're condemning, and it's just so ugly. It's just all
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it's just it's disgusting.
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It's ugly, and I just want us to find a
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way to take something from this. So I tried to
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talk about it a lot this morning, again from a
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theological perspective, and really challenged us and challenged us. Now
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I did see and you may have a different opinion
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about this. The person who has been removed from ministry,
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he was scheduled to be speaking at a conference. He
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was supposed to be the first speaker at the conference.
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This conference who was being held by, well, the seminary
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that this man was very much connected to and a
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part of, and I think he teaches at or I
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can't remember his specific role, but he's definitely he was
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listed as part of the you know, a part of
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the staff for this particular seminary, right, okay, And so
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so he's very much there. So the people there, the
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people hosting the conference. It's the seminary who's hosting the conference,
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so they all know who this man is.
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This man was scheduled to be there.
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All the people who were there know knows who the
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man was because they were showing up at a conference
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where he was going to be the first speaker. So
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everyone knew exactly what was going on. And so I
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watched their opening statement, and I was somewhat baffled and saddened.
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One they did not mention the man's name. They said, Hey,
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the man who was supposed to speak, right, that man
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has been permanently disqualified from ministry because of sin.
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They wouldn't say his name, which was.
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Kind of bizarre, Like everyone there knows. I mean, like
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when I'm speaking on the microphone, there's people who don't
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have a clue who I'm talking about. So there's no
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point in mentioning the name. But there everyone knew that.
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Everyone knows. Everyone knows, and they just they wouldn't even mention.
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They wouldn't say, our brother, our brother in Christ has fallen,
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our brother in Christ has hurt his family. His family
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is hurting his his I don't know his entire family structure.
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But they didn't even mention. They didn't meant no. They
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just said, he is permanently disqualified and he has basically
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disgraced the name of Christ.
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So they wanted to immediately.
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Establish his disqualification.
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That's what they wanted to establish.
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He's disqualified and he's disgraced the name of They did
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not mention his name. And then immediately after this announcement,
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they pray and they did not even pray for him.
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They didn't pray for his family, they didn't pray for him.
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It was if the man no longer exists. He's just
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the man who's disqualified, and he's the man who disgraced.
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He's not a brother who's fallen.
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He's not someone we're going We're gonna do everything in
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our power to show love, mercy, grace, to bring about restoration.
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There was no speaking of restoration.
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No, no, he's just the man who.
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Is permanently disqualified and who disgraced basically the name of Christ.
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And what we need today is men who are not
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like that, men who will be faithful. Basically was the message.
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Don't be like him, the man with whom we will
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not say.
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And it was so weird to watch. I was like,
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even in your.
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Prayer, you can't pray for him, you can't pray for
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his family, you can't pray for the people who are
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specifically hurt the other person involved in the sin.
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No, we're no, no.
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And I was just kind of like even theer I
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was watching a YouTube video. They were showing the opening
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segment of the conference, and then someone was reviewing it,
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and even the person reviewing it was kind of like that,
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don't mention his name, they don't even pray for him.
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Even they were kind of like it was kind of cold.
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It was kind of.
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There was no grace, there was no mercy, there was
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no love, there was no compassion.
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It was almost like, don't be like him. The end,
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you be different.
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When someone is broken and fallen. Now, I don't know,
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maybe the man's not broken. Maybe the man but I mean, Mike,
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from my understanding, he's the one who acknowledged it. He's
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the one who came forward. So then that would seem
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to admit that he acknowledges it sin And I'm assuming
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there's some brokenness over it. I don't know, but it
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was just weird. If you're going to mention it. There
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was no like, let's pray for everyone involved. You don't
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have to just pray for one, pray for everyone involved.
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And if you don't want to pray for anyone, I mean,
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I don't know.
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It was just so. It just made me so sad. Look,
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I've always been.
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There's two there's.
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I have to be honest.
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Right. On one hand, I could I could think that
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the way I think about this kind of situation or
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any other situation is because I'm just aware of my
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own failure, my own sin, my own unworthiness, my own
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like I'm so aware of my own Maybe that maybe
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that shades my perspective, right, Maybe that impacts my perspective.
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Maybe that somehow, you know, gives me the wrong. Maybe
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maybe you could say you come across too weak, or
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you come across to you. But I don't know, I mean,
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aren't we supposed to is that their love, isn't their compassion?
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Isn't there any hope? Is it? Just like, Okay, here's
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the five sins, and if you commit these five sins,
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you are forever, forever doomed, You are forever ever disqualified.
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Is that the way it is?
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Since the Bible doesn't really I know people will try
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to go to verses, but if you really break it down,
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it it doesn't say hey now, it can't say when
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you're when you're in the middle of it. I can understand,
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and I do believe that maybe in some circumstances that
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you have obviously we could all. I just think every
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situation is unique and different. In every situation has to
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be taken into consideration. I think there has I just
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I know we just like to pronounce dogmatic declarations from
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our throne of infallibility, But I think the reality is,
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can't we all see ourselves as sinners?
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Can't we all?
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I just don't know, And I was so fearful of
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this that this is the way it would go down.
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He's just going to be a footnote in the pages
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of Christian history. I mean, look, how Rabbi Zacharias has
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just wiped off the face.
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Of the earth.
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I mean, basically, not by no means, am I'm justifying
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anything he did. I'm not justifying it, and not I'm pleased,
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I want, I'm not justifying anything.
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People, whenever you.
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Try to offer mercy or grace, it's oh, you're almost
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immediately accused of justifying or excusing. But I just like,
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here's the conference he was supposed to speak at a
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conference that it sounds like he had spoken up year
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after year after year after year after year. This man,
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I mean, the man's a part of the very seminary
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hosting the very conference, and their their approach was, we
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will not say his name. We will just say he's
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permanently disqualified and he disgraced basically the name of Christ,
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and don't be like him. Now, let's pray, all right, guys,
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let's get to the conference. I mean, what wouldn't it
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have been like, haymen, because it was a men's conference. Amen,
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