Oct. 6, 2024

Christianity and the Law Pt 2

Christianity and the Law Pt 2

We look at the history of how Christianity has understood the law of God and how it relates to Christians.

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We look at the history of how Christianity has understood the law of God and how it relates to Christians.

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All right, our number two, we'll see if we can

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finish this up. Sometimes and well, it's not I think

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it's it's true. I think most Christians never encounter this.

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But within theology, within the world of Christianity, there is

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a there's like a there's like a line you cannot

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cross because if you cross said line, you get yourself

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in trouble. And can it can be a lot of

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little things, right like when we were when I was

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on Christian radio and I got kicked off Christian radios

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because I crossed the line, right, and that line that

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got me in trouble. It's what's always gotten me in trouble.

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Within Christian Christian Christianity is if you are within Christianity

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and you criticize everything outside of Christianity, you are wide.

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You're good, You're golden right, you're good. If you are

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within Christianity, and whichever philological team you find yourself, whichever

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jersey you are wearing, as long as you criticize everyone

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outside of your team, you are good. At any point

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you begin to criticize our question inside your team, you're done,

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you're finished, you are out. And so that's always been

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the way, because we don't like, we don't like criticism

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and spotlight to be turned on us, We like it

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to be turned on everyone else, which is just weird

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as Christianity being known for being so condemning and judging

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that we don't like to be condemned or to judge,

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which is kind of ironic, right. But when it comes

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to theology, there's just some things you're not supposed to question,

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and if you question it, you get yourself in trouble.

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And I know that a lot of the things that

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I well, a lot of things that I have worked

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on and struggled with, has God caused me more trouble

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than it's probably from a human perspective been worth. Has

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probably been detrimental to the church, been detrimental because I

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just won't leave things alone, right, If I would just

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it's like, okay, hey, guys, this is what we believe.

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Never question it and never challenge it. Probably the most

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detrimental thing that ever happened to this church is when

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I said, hey, guys, we're not going to be a

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church that simply learns theology. We're going to be a

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church that does theology. That was the dumbest thing I've

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ever done from a human perspective, right, because nobody likes that.

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Everyone says they want to be where we're going to

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really study and we're really going to dig in, but

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they just play lip service. They don't really want to

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dig in because when you dig in, you're going to

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find yourself struggling with things. And over the last few weeks,

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what we've been dealing with, not only behind the pulpit

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but on the podcast is this ongoing issue of sin

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in the life of believers. Right. We've been talking about

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it and talking about it. I've been working through a

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book called Six Secrets of the Christian Life. It's read

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and saying that's trying to answer. But so what we're

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going to do today, I'm not going to go back

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and cover everything we just covered in the first hour.

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It was a lot. Obviously it will be uploaded, but

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in the second hour we are going to continue and

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try to finish. We'll back up and at least look

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at this part. We are looking at the history throughout

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church history, how Christianity has dealt with the Christian and

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the law. We spent thirty minutes in the first hour

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going through a list of scriptures telling us how what

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God demands of us. I'm just going to read some

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of these quickly. Leviticus eleven forty four through forty five.

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For I'm the Lord your God. Consecrate yourself therefore, and

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be holy, for I am holy. Leviticus nineteen two. Speak

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to all the congregation of the people and say, you

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shall be holy, for I the Lord your God, am holy.

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Leviticus chapter twenty, verse seven through eight. Be holy, for

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I am the Lord your God. Keep my statutes. Deuteronomy

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chapter eighteen, verse thirteen. You shall be blameless before the Lord,

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or some will define that as you shall be perfect

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before the Lord. Exodus nineteen five through six. Now, therefore,

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if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my

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covenant Psalm fifteen one through two. O Lord, who shall

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sojourn in your tent, who shall dwell on your holy hill,

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He who walks blamelessly and doud does what is right

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and speaks truth in his heart, I can go on.

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Matthew five, p. Forty eight. You shall be perfect as

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your heavenly Father is perfect. One Peter one, fifteen through sixteen.

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Be holy as he is holy. Without holiness, no one

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will see the Lord. I think you get the idea

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there are verse after verse after verse after verse after

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verse that basically tells us to be what perfect dan

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be perfect, And throughout church history, the idea is in

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almost every church, even in this local area, is that

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somehow we can and there's a major problem with that.

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So what we're gonna do is we're going through church

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history and whenever we have verses that tell us to

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do things, we classify those verses as what law they

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tell us what to do? They tell us what to do,

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so can we actually do it? All? Right? So we're

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going to go through church history really quick, and we're

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going to see how Christians have handled this entire subject

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with the law skipping. I mean, that's the quickest review

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I've ever done in the history of reviews. Okay, so

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you missed out a lot, but here we go. Are

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you ready? All right? We first started, Now this part

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I will review in a little bit more detail. We

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start with the Early Church first to third century. Early

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Church first to third century. Now, the early Church found

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itself where in a Jewish context. So at the beginning,

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the issue was what not so much can we keep

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the law as far as the moral law, They really

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hadn't even distinguished between the moral law ceremonial law. Really

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at this point, the issue basically was, if you were

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a gentile and you came a believer, how much of

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the Old Testament did you have to keep and obey?

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Did you have to get circumcised, did you have to

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offer this, did you have to keep this ceremonial law.

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And there was a lot of discussion. In fact, it

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got so bad that they had to have a council

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called the Jerusalem Council, and that is in Acts chapter fifteen.

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And basically what was the conclusion of that council. Yeah,

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salvation is by grace, you don't have to keep the law,

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and that gentiles were not bound to the Mosaic law.

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That was the big issue, right, everybody got that. Okay,

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that was pretty simple, pretty straightforward. Now. Also right after that,

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the early Church fathers begin to emerge, right, you have

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justin Martyr Arenaeus, and they emphasized that the law was

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fulfilled in Christ and that Christians are no longer under

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the law in the sense of following Jewish ceremonial aspects. However,

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they affirmed the moral law as binding for Christians. So

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after the Council, that as the Church fathers aeron As

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and Justin Martin began to emerge. They start drawing a

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distinction really between the civil law that's the law for

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Israel as far as the governmental aspect and the civil aspect.

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And then you had the ceremonial law sacrifice his feast,

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and then you had the moral law. And so what

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they said is, well, the moral law that's still binding.

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So they emphasized that the moral law was still binding.

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There really wasn't an issue can we keep it, what

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should we do with it? It was just simply that it's applicable. Right.

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There was a lot of questions who would probably not

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answered yet, all right, everybody got that. Now. It was

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the second century. Aas Iron, however you pronounce his name.

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He wrote a book called Against Heresies, and this is

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what he emphasizes. This is this what I'm about to

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give you really defines everything that comes after it. All right,

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this defines most Christians, that all the Christians you know,

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and probably every church in Abeley, right as really is

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the he's the one to be blamed for this. Are

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you ready? Here's what he taught and a book called

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against Heresies? Are you ready? That Christ fulfilled the law

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everyone should say amen to that, and that believers through

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the Holy Spirit are empowered to live according to God's will.

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And this is where all the problems start. All right, now,

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let's logically consider this, all right, If God is empowering

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me will live according to his will? How well should

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I live according to his will perfectly? Because it's God's power? Right?

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How powerful is God? What's the theological term omnipotent? Right? Omnipotent?

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If the and God is so powerful he created the

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world in six days, If he can create the entire world,

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the entire universe, everything in six days, I think he

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should be able to get me to obedience to his will.

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Correct and even say, well, God's empowering you, but you

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have to be willing. Well, wouldn't God's power be able

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to overcome my unwillingness to make it willing? This becomes

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really confusing, right, but guess what Aaron AA said? Well,

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God is empower powering you. Are you ready when he

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throws in at the end? No, he throws this in

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at the end. You can't do it perfectly? How to

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any rational person, it makes no sense. If God is

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empowering me to do it, then it would be perfect

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because it's God's power. Not only would it be God's power,

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it would be what we all believe. It's God's will

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for us to be what holy. So if it's his

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will and it's his power, you're telling me what he

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wills and what he powers can't get to what he wants.

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It makes no sense, ladies and gentlemen, none. And I'm

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not allowed to criticize this within Christianity. This is what

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will get you thrown out. If I was in any

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church today in Abilene, even hinting at this, I would

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not have a job come Monday. And that's a problem

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because guess what, they could fire me. But guess what

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they would all still be doing sinning because guess what,

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that's what we do. And Christians have a hard time

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acknowledging this. But there was that started everything wrong right there? Right,

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So everything goes wrong where second century? Now, justin Martyr

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he came along. He distinguished between the ceremonial and the moral.

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He tried to make that distinction more prominent. But okay,

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that doesn't give us much help, right all right? So

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then that gets us to the fourth and fifth century.

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This is where we stopped. The fourth and fifth century

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two people show up in the fourth and fifth century,

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all right, Augustine and Pelagius. Augustine and Pelagius. Oh boy,

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this is one of the most important controversies in the

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entire history of the church, right, at least in the

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top two or three. Right, Okay? This debate was about

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human ability and their ability to do what to keep

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the law? All right? This became more pronounced during the

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Pelagian Controversy, sometimes referred to as the Pelagian controversy or

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the Pelagian Augustinian debate. However you want to define it.

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Who are the key figures Pelagius and Augustine. So here's Pelagius. Pelagius.

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Was he monk, a British monk? Right? And what did

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he believe that humans are capable of keeping God's law? Oh? Boy?

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That is where everything begins to go wrong. Now, what

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is the foundational belief? What's the key factor in him

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believing that we can keep the law? Is that we

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do not have a sinful nature. To never forget this.

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This is key, right, this is so key all right, that, hey,

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you don't have a sinful nature, so you can keep

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the law. He says that we could do this through

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natural ability without the necessity of divine grace. He argued

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that if God's commands something, humans must have the natural

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ability to fulfill it. Now, keep that in mind. He

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brings forth the idea, Well, if God says do it,

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you can do it. That you go talk to some

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of your Christian friends. They will save those exact same words. Well,

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if God says repent, then anyone can repent. If God

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says be holy, for he is holy, you can do it.

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If God gives the Ten Commandments, you can do it.

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I mean, that is the whole reason many Christians want

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the Ten Commandments posted everywhere, because they believe the idea

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is if everyone sees the law, they may be motivated

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to the law, and therefore the world will be a

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better place. What's the whole problem with that? It's not well,

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I believe it's not true. But this is where it

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comes from. It comes from Pelagius, who was a heretic.

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The heretic shouldn't be the thing influencing Christianity. And almost

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every case, heretics always win, and he wins this. He

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wins this outright right, even though he's condemned, he still

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wins it all right. Therefore, it was possible. This is

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according to Palyagias. Now, this is where Christians will back

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up a little bit. Here from Peleegius, it was possible

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to live a sinless life and keep the law even

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without God. You don't need grace, you don't need God.

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Now Christians modified it, right, Well, okay, we can't be perfect,

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but with God we can be something. Right, So Christians

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have modified it. But a lot of the ideas originate

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from whom Pelagius. Well, Augustine obviously had some issues with this.

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Now Augustine doesn't help. But Augustine is gonna be following

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a tradition, right, He's gonna go back to Erinaeus. Right,

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he's gonna follow this right, and he's gonna kind of modify.

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But at least he does take a stand on one

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some very smart things. So there's Pelagius right. Now here

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comes Augustine. Augustine opposes Pelagius, all right, and he argued

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that due to our original sin, human beings are incapable

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of keeping God's law. But here's the phrase he throws in. Oh,

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this is where I get so mad. We are incapable

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of keeping God's law? What do you think Augustin's gonna

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throw in now apart from God's grace, We're incapable of

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keeping the law apart from God's grace. Now immediately, what

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does that imply that we can see? At this point

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I would already get thrown out of Christianity because I'm

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like you all all of you are nuts. You're all

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nuts at this point. Okay, but let's see what happens.

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All right, let's be fair. He believed that because of

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the fall, human nature is thoroughly corrupted. And while grace

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enables believers to follow God's will. Did you hear that

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while what grace enables the believer to follow God's will?

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If grace enables me to follow God's will, what's God's will?

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Be holy as He is holy. If I am able

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to do that, then I can be holy as God

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is holy. You can't say that I'm able to follow

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God's will when God God's will we spent thirty minutes

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in the last hour is be holy, be holy, be holy? Behore? Okay, well,

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then I should be able to be holy. So what

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is he gonna say here? While grace enables believers to

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follow God's will, they will never perfectly keep the law

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in this life. If I'm enabled to keep his will,

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then I would have to be I don't understand. Oh man,

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this is where Christianity makes no sense. This is it's mindless.

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It's just yeah, yeah, yeah this, Oh this, this just

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drives me crazy, all right. So he goes on to say,

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Augustine held that sanctification is an ongoing process which believers

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grow in holiness, but complete sinlessness is unobtainable in this life. See,

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this is like just saying words without anyone's thought. Like

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if I say that in church, everybody will just say

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what amen, But someone should be like, well, wait a minute.

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This makes no sense. So let me just try to

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help you understand. If I can never get to perfection,

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then I'm in a perpetual state of disobedience, or as

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Bobby said, I'm in a perpetual state of sin. If

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I'm in a perpetual state of sin. But then you

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say that sanctification is an ongoing process where I become

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more and more obedient, or more and more you know,

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I'm sinning less. How do you how do you measure something?

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When I'm in a perpetual state of disobedience? How can

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I become more more obedient. If I'm in a perpetual

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state of disobedience? Am I again? I can make it clear.

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Are we in a perpetual state of disobedience? Let me

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just give you the scriptures? Be holy as God is holy.

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Are you in a perpetual state of disobedience to that? Yeah?

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Love God with all your heart, mind, body and soul.

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Love your neighbor as yourself, Love your enemy, turn the

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other cheek, resist not evil, Bless those of persecute. I

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can keep going right, do all things without mumbling and complaining.

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Anybody getting guilty yet? Husbands? Love your wives as Christ

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love the church. Wives, submit to your husbands as unto

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the Lord. Is anybody feeling guilty yet? Well, if we're

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in a perpetual state of disobedience, how do I become

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moral obedient? I can't become more obedient in the category

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of perpetual disobedience. Now we're just measuring in the most

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subjective way possible, and it comes down to, well, I

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used to loosen the rock and roll, and now I don't. Okay,

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I don't watch Netflix. I mean, oh wow, congratulations, what

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does that even mean? Do all things while murmuring and

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complain pride. God hates pride. I mean, I can go,

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you're sinning a million different ways while we spend our

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time pointing at everyone else. That's just that's the most

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nonsensical thing. But you say that to any Christian they'll

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be like, hey man, that sounds like good theology. It's ridiculous,

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is what it is. So Augustine Christians are unable to

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keep God's law perfectly because of the corrupted human nature,

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but they can grow in obedience. However, perfection will not

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be untained until the life to come. Do you just

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see how the circular reasoning is? You can't, but you're

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kind of but you really can't. What is that? Even

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when I get when I've had conversations with Ai about this,

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and AI is like, look, Christianity says this is the

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way it works. If you look at it logically, it

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doesn't work. AI doesn't know what to say. AI's like, yeah,

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if you asked me to look at this logically, it

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makes no sense. If you ask me to tell me

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what Christians think, well, I can only give you this answer.

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I can't give you any other answer because I have

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to pull from Christianity to talk about Christianity. But if

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you want me to step outside of Christianity. This thing

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is wucky. I don't know. I don't and I'm like,

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well I need help, all right, No, some would help me.

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Nobody has any help, all right. So now Augustine's view

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becomes dominant in Western Christianity. His theology emphasizes human dependence

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on divine grace for any obedience, forms the basis for

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much of later mid Evil and Reformation theology regarding the

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Christian and the law. So ieron Aus starts it, and

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then Augustine really drives it home. Now I'm on team

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Augustine against Pelagius, absolutely, But I just don't agree with

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Austin that I'm giving some kind of ability or power,

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because that's where everything begins to fall apart, right, I mean,

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it makes just no sense. All right. So this brings

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us to the Medievil period, the sixth to fifteenth century.

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All right, sixth to fifteenth century. Who's going to come

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on the scene. Okay, well, well before we get to Luther,

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before we get to Luther. Nope, first name Thomas Aquinas.

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There we go. Don't read him, okay, no, no, I'm

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trying to understand it. Man. That was one of the

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hardest papers I had to write in the Catholic University.

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I'm like, I don't know, Okay, I needed ai back then.

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Ok here we go. During the medieval period, views about

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the law were influenced by Augustin's theology of grace. Theologians

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like Thomas Aquinas continue to affirm that Christians were called

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to obey the moral law, but require divine grace to

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do so. Did you hear that we're called to do it,

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but we need God's grace in order to do it?

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Now this you know what this is going to start

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sounding like? Now, remember what we sometimes say about Augustine.

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What's kind of the little joke we say about Augustin

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and some theological circles. He was the father of Calvinism

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and Catholicism, right, okay, because this idea that we can

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keep the law to some level we even though we

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can't do it perfectly, but with the assistance of divine grace. Wow,

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now let's see here, Now what could be a means

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of grace? Sacraments are visible means of grace. Now, what's

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the whole purpose of the sacrament? Why do you need

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the sacraments? Because they empower you? They help you, They

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help give you what you need to be able to obey.

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So now you see where and how, and guess where

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this is gonna start going. You see where infused idea,

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infused righteousness is gonna start. You start seeing it starting

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to formulate, right, just and what do I always say

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when we go back and try to break church history up?

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It's easy because it's easy to put this person in

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this camp and this person in this camp. Well, what

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you sometimes see is how things begin to what what

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do I always say? Church history is a big ball

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of yarn, right, it's all wrapped together. We always think

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we can just separate it. You can separate it to

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some degree, but immediately we start seeing how this all

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gets mixed together. Right, So Thomas Aquanus is going to

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be like, you're right, we can't keep the law, but

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we can with divine grace. Now we may not be

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able to do it perfectly. So they're going to say, well,

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then how do I get this grace right? Because if

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I can with divine grace, what can I do right?

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can I do right? Even though though say, well it's

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not we do it God does it tru I understand

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the game that's gonna get played here. But let's see

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how Thomas Aquanus does this. Right. Aquantas distinguished between the

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ceremonial law and the moral law of the Old Testament

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and emphasize that the moral law encapsulated natural law was

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binding on all people. Right, so the moral law becomes

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natural law. This becomes very Catholic. Catholicism loves the idea

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of natural law. Natural law. Right, it's talked about a lot.

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If you could look up an entire section on it

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in the Catholic Catechism, right, so we could entire there's

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entire classes in Catholic schools about natural law. But just

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understand moral law and that this is binding on everybody everybody.

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twenty four. If you if you're hearing this, I if

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there's an if there's a law that's binding on everyone, well,

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then the argument will be, then we need our government

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to make it binding on everyone. This is where the

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rise of Christian nationalism and a lot of these concepts

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originate from. Right, because Catholicism always wanted control of what

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the government. They wanted to member that they wanted church

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and state to be what one right, that's where and

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so a lot. What's so weird? Did you have the

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most anti Catholic Christians running around? Who? It's like, dude,

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you're you're bringing in crown. It's like, well, everything reverts

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back to Catholicism. I'm telling you, the evangelicalism has never

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been more Catholic than it is in twenty twenty four.

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I don't know, we should just all go back to

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Roman Catholis. I've been saying that now for how many years? Ever? Right,

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just stop playing games. Everybody just go back to the

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Catholic Church. But nobody wants to go to the Catholic

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Church because they want to be in charge, right, I mean,

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that's what it comes down to. Aquanus argue that Christians

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empowered by infused grace. Ooh did you just hear it?

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I told you us where we're headed, right. Aquanus argued

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that Christians empowered by infused grace could grow in their

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ability to follow God's law, but not achieve perfection. There's okay,

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but the bases all of this started all the way

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back with Aaronaeus. Right, Hey, with God's grace we can,

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but we can't. We can, but we can't. Augustine made

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it even more Hey, with God's grace, we can, but

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we can't. Now Thomas Aquanas just now makes it a

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little bit more sophisticated. Right, Well, if we can, what

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is the thing giving us the can? Infused grace? Infused grace.

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Now that may be different than infused righteousness, but it's

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still the very, very similar concept. Right, So how do

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we get infused with this? Right? Well, they're not going

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to go in there, but we all know where it's

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gonna end up. Just the sacraments. The sacraments we can

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look up. If you look up in the Catholic Catechism

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and read about each sacrament, inevitably they're gonna tell you

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what the sacrament does for you. So you'll hear Catholic say,

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I have to go to Eu christ. I have to

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go to Mass because that's where I get my strength,

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That's where I get my power. Like I got to

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it's like, you know, I gotta get this because it's

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my boost, it's my I need this. But I've known

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Catholics who take all the sacraments and they're no better

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than me. Now, the same concept shows up where it

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shows up later in the charismatic movement with the idea

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of what you need the baptism of the Holy Spirit,

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and that will give you power. Everybody's looking for it.

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Why does everyone keep looking for where the power comes from?

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Because we all know we keep sinning. And so I've

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no Charismatics who've spoken in tongues, fallen on the floor,

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barked like a dog, whatever the case may be. And

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guess what, they still sin. And Catholics who supposed to

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get power from the sacraments, they still sin. So what

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power do you have that I don't have? None? Zelch

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it's made up. You're delusional. I know, I'm not supposed

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to say any of that, but it's okay, it's just true.

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Oh well, especially with the sacraments. Very good point. I mean,

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I know it sounds conspiratorial, but there's a little bit

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of truth to that. Right If the Church is the

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one who controls the sacraments, and the sacraments are the

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things that will give you the infused grace in order

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for you to be able to somehow keep the law

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and not end up in you know, committing a mortal

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sin where you go to hell. Well, then guess who

454
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you have to go to You gotta go to the

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church because they got control of the sacraments. You want

456
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the sacraments, you come to us. Yeah, it definitely becames

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whether that was the intent, it definitely becomes the reality.

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Does that make sense? I think it ultimately a structure

459
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because of theology, but then it clearly it becomes a reality. Right.

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The medieval Church largely followed Augustine and affirming that humans

461
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could not keep the law perfectly, but could grow in

462
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obedience through grace. The distinction between the ceremonial and moral

463
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law was solidified. So that's really where that distinction becomes,

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all right, Now, so that gets us from the medieval

465
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period sixth to fifteenth century. Now we get to the

466
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sixteenth century. Oh, someone's going to show up. Someone's going

467
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to show up with some people would say, some serious

468
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:28.799
psychological issues. Okay, he's German, he's a monk, and he's

469
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got problems, lots and lots of problems. Sixteenth century, Yeah, Luther, Right,

470
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Luther shows up. The Reformation brought renewed debate about the

471
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role of the law in the Christian life, particularly between

472
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guess where the fights are going to begin? Right, you're

473
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ready here? Becomes the fights on. In one corner we

474
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have what will we called the Protestants, and the other

475
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corner Catholics. Also the Anabaptists are going to show up

476
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in here, right, and then you've got key figures like Luther,

477
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John Calvin, and of course the na Baptist show up

478
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here as well. All right, here's Martin Luther. All right,

479
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here's good old Luther. We're in October right fast approaching

480
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Reformation Day, which as we just look at the life

481
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of Christianity Reformation days now, it's been lost, right, and

482
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even within reformed churches who make a big deal about

483
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.960
Reformation Day, they don't really believe in the Reformation in

484
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my viewpoint, because you have the churches who are so

485
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lordship who believes in and call it Reformation Day. If

486
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your lordship you're not, you don't belong to the Reformation

487
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d end. All right, you know what day you should

488
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be celebrating, Pope Day? Okay, because you went back to

489
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the Catholic Church. I know, not allowed to say that,

490
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but it's just true. Right here we go. Luther held

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that Christians at the very same time are justified and sinful.

492
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He believed that the law served two purposes to reveal sin,

493
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because it was a mirror and the guide believers in

494
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their sanctification. All right, However, Luther was clear that believers

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could never fully keep the law in this life due

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to their sinful nature. That's where he really went at

497
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He really doubled down on that. Oh there's acknowledged. Well,

498
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you can't do it perfectly. Luther was like, you never can,

499
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you never can keep the law ever, Luther? And why?

500
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And guess here's what's crazy. You know what led Luther

501
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and really in many cases to this revelation, it was

502
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his own sin. Everyone talks about what we need in Christianity.

503
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We need a or we need a reformation. You know

504
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what we need. We don't need a revival. We don't

505
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need a reformation. We don't need a new church method.

506
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You know what we need. We just need Christians sitting

507
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in the pew to go, Man, I'm a sinner, and

508
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I sin and thought word. Indeed, by what I do

509
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and by what I leave undone, I cannot do this.

510
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I cannot do this. I am messed up. If we

511
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could get everything, but in some cases, the only people

512
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who ever come to that realization, sadly are sometimes people

513
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who are caught in some big scandal, then they realize it.

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But it shouldn't take a scandal to realize that do

515
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all things without murmuring and complaining, pray without seizing, be

516
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thankful in everything I can, go on and on, like

517
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immediately you should be like, I can't, I can't. I can't.

518
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I can't, I can't, I can't. If everyone would be rebroken

519
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:07.159
and realize they can't, it would be that the transformation

520
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that Christianity has so desperately needed since Luther. But somehow

521
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Luther kind of really emphasized this and everyone abandoned what

522
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Luther thought because it all became about what how, what

523
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we can and can't can't or what we can do? Now? Listen,

524
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this is this is I want you to make sure.

525
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This is very important. What Luther says believers could never

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fully keep the law in this life due to their

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sinful nature. Due to their sinful nature. Why is that

528
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so important? Because Luther is acknowledging that what do we

529
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still have after salvation a sinful nature? Why is that important?

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Because after Luther, there's going to be basically Christianity is

531
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going to start teaching that we no longer have a nature.

532
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Luther wanted to know, why do you sin? We have

533
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a sin nature? Where do sin originate from? The call

534
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is coming from inside the house. I remember that book

535
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six Secrets of the Christian Life. They argue that we

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that inside were perfect, perfect nature, perfect heart. What is sermon?

537
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After sermon? They go to Ezekiel thirty six and claim

538
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that we have a new heart, even though that passage

539
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has nothing to do with that. Over and over and

540
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now you have a new heart, a new nature. You've

541
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been transformed if anyone is on crisis, a new creature.

542
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Old things about the way all things have become new.

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And Luther is like, what are you talking about. You're

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still a sinner and you cannot keep the law. And

545
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if you can. If you're still a sinner and you

546
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can't keep the law, you're not a new creature practically speaking.

547
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So Luther had the idea that at the same time

548
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I'm what, I'm a sinner and a saint. Because he

549
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begins to un understand, not the infused idea. He rejects

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the infused idea, and he emphasizes the imputed idea. All right,

551
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Christ alone, this is Luther perfectly kept the law on

552
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behalf of believers and Christians while called to strive for holiness, well,

553
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we will always fall short. So what is our hope?

554
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And Christ, who's perfect, and his perfection is accredited to me,

555
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not put in me, accredited to me, not infused in me.

556
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Do you understand the difference there? That means I'm declared

557
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to be something that I'm not in any way, shape

558
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or form. I'm absolutely the opposite of Now, if we

559
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emphasize that the world would not be referring to us

560
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as hypocrites because we have been telling we would have

561
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been telling the world for two thousand years. What hey

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before God, I'm right and practice, I'm just like you.

563
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So I can't say that. If I wish to say

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we're just like lost people, I would be kicked out

565
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of every I wouldn't. In fact, in some churches, I

566
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don't even think I could be a member. But I'm sorry,

567
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you're just like them and they're just like us, except

568
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for something's been accredited to my account that's not been

569
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accredited to your account, and that's all by grace through faith.

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That's what we say we believe, but that's not what

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we communicate to the world, is that we're better we're better,

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we're better, we're better. And how many scandals have to

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come out? I mean, the scandal in Dallas with Morrison

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has gotten even worse now now there there's lawsuits against

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the church. They embezzled, like all this tithe money into

576
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the thousands upon thousands of dollars. The whole thing's just

577
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getting it's so bad. The whole church is just gonna

578
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collapse and fall apart. And who knows what's gonna happen.

579
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And there's just I mean, there's I mean, I could

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go all the scandals just in twenty twenty four. It

581
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would take me probably who knows how long to go through.

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And people, well, well we just need to find godly people. Well,

583
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you can't find any godly people because there aren't any,

584
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all right, There's only sinners. And guess what sinners do sin?

585
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Are we excusing it? No, we're not excusing it. Okay,

586
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we're not excusing it, but we have to acknowledge it. Right.

587
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So Luther's view is this, Christians are incapable of keeping

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the law in this life. All right. Now, we'll see

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if we can get see if we can go through.

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I'm gonna mention these quickly I wanted to finish this.

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But all right, here's Calvin's view. Calvin shares much of

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Luther's view, but guess what he placed a stronger emphasis on.

593
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He placed a stronger emphasis on believers becoming more godly

594
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or becoming more holy. He believed that the moral law

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serves as a guide for Christian living, not as a

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means of salvation, but as a response to grace. Oh

597
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there we have it. Did you just hear that the

598
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moral law? Are you ready? Is not a means of

599
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:50.000
salvation but a response to grace? Oh boy, do you

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know what that creates. We're not saved by keeping the law,

601
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but we prove saved by keeping the law. Well, wait

602
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a minute, ladies and gentlemen, can we keep them? See

603
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now this is going to raise the question can I

604
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keep the law and not keep the law. If I

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can't keep the law, then it cannot serve as a

606
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test to prove whether I'm saved because I can't do it.

607
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So now I've got to find some subjective tests that says, well,

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remember what we saw with the MacArthur test. You will

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do this and this and this and every single point

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what was the key word? But you're not going to

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do it, well, then how is it a test? Calvin

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is the one who begins to create this monster, which

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he's going really back to Aaron Asin Augustin, Luther was

614
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the only one that's like, whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa.

615
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Nobody can christ did, and you're like, and Luther understood

616
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no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't. So Luther

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was much more emphasizing our inability, where everybody else is like, well, yeah,

618
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I know you're right, Luther, I know we can't do

619
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it perfectly. Bah, we can do it this much and

620
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this much and again. Even do you see what the

621
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problem is, Calvin? It's a response to grace. Now, wait,

622
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are you had a response to grace inside of me?

623
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Because that seems like Calvin's almost borrowing a little bit

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more from the infused idea. If it's imputed it's outside

625
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of me. Correct, Calvin believed by the power here we go,

626
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by the power of the Holy Spirit, Christian will make

627
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real progress and keeping the law. So we can never

628
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do it perfectly. It's the same Calvin goes right back

629
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to the same nonsense, you can't, but then you got saved,

630
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:59.079
so now you can by God's power, but you really can't.

631
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But there's going to be real progress. Now again, God's

632
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:11.320
standard is are you ever perfect? That means you're in

633
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a perpetual state of s How can you measure progress

634
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when you're perpetually guilty? And if I'm guilty of one

635
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:25.880
point of the law, so that means I'm perpetually guilty

636
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of every single law. How can I measure success or

637
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.440
progress if I'm guilty of every single law? That's the

638
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.599
dumbest h I do you understand how maddening this is,

639
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:43.679
or maybe not maddening to you. It makes me want

640
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.039
to just start drinking heavily. Okay, all right. Colvin's view

641
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is that by the Holy Spirit, we can progress and

642
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.960
keeping the law, but perfection is impossible. It's just we can,

643
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.679
but we can't. All right, So now the Anabaptists show up.

644
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All right, here we go, here's the Anabaptist. Oh boybody,

645
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what does the Anabaptist say? Okay? Do what what do

646
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:21.000
we think? Well? I think the Anabaptists are gonna say,

647
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all right, well you should know, but here we go.

648
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They take a radical approach. True Christians note, true Christians

649
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:45.920
can live sinless through the Holy Spirit. Now, on one hand,

650
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:55.360
I respect them. Okay, why do I respect them? Well?

651
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Because if they're saying, if the Holy spirit's empowering, then

652
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there should be perfection. It's better than this garbage where

653
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.760
you can but you can't. I got power, but I don't, like,

654
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.760
I don't even know what that is. It's just stupid talk. Right.

655
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At least they commit. If you're a true Christian, you

656
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.360
got the power of God, so stop sinning. And if

657
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you sin, you're not a true Christian. Yeah, you can

658
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:28.679
say where a lot of this. You can say where

659
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:30.599
we get how we get to MacArthur? Can you not?

660
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You can see where this comes from. I mean you

661
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.480
can see now MacArthur may not. Now MacArthur though it's

662
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.920
not willing to commit, he does the butt. They're more committed,

663
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like no sinless. Right. They emphasize holiness and obedience to

664
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the teachings of the Sermon on the Mound. The Anna

665
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Baptist gets blamed for a lot of how the Sermon

666
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on the Mount is interpreted today because you go to

667
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any church the Sermon on the Mount when they we're

668
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gonna go preach on the Sermon on the Mount and

669
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it'll be like, do this, do this, do this, do this,

670
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do this, do this, do this, do this, and if

671
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you don't do this, you prove you were never saved,

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almost demanding that you'll do it perfectly now. And the

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church is today they will, they will, they will at

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some point they can't stay committed us. But no one

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will do it perfectly. The Sermon on the Mount is

676
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not given so that you can do it. The Sermon

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on the Mount is given to show that you can't.

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Who's the only one who can obey the Sermon on

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the Mount? The one who preached it, That's why. And

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Jesus what didn't make it complicated for us? Because in

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Matthew five he says, be ye, perfect as are heavily

682
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fun He tells you the demands of the sermon itself.

683
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Anyone reading it you'd be like, but no, we convince

684
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ourselves that we can. And if you preach the Sermon

685
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.840
on the Mount like it's actually written, you'll immediately someone

686
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.880
in church will come up and go, well, I don't

687
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.400
think it actually meant that. Why what they want to

688
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.000
water it down because they'll be like, what turn the

689
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.000
other cheeck? Well? I think that just means if someone

690
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.519
insults you, Right, I don't think it means to resist,

691
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.719
not even why No, I gotta be able to defend myself, right, Like,

692
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:22.000
we immediately start making all the exceptions, right, love my enemy? Well,

693
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:23.920
I mean that doesn't mean I can't. That mean, that

694
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.119
doesn't mean I just let people run over me. We

695
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.320
gotta start making all the exceptions. Why don't we got

696
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:33.719
to start making all the exceptions because we can't keep it. Well,

697
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:39.280
if we're gonna make exceptions, I want my exceptions. I

698
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:44.719
want my exceptions. Right. Hey, I can't lost unless she's

699
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:51.920
really hot? Right? Is that? Is that a good exception? No,

700
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.599
y'all don't like that. Hey, don't committ adulty? Well, unless

701
00:47:54.599 --> 00:48:00.119
I'm in Vegas? Can I make exceptions? See if you

702
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.000
hear a pastor making those exceptions, everybody gets nervous, right,

703
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:07.079
everybody's like, oh no, how dairy? Right? But we all

704
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:11.639
make everyone? Does it with the Bible? Do they not? Well,

705
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:17.320
I mean I'm not saying those cuss words. Well, it

706
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:21.199
says let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth none.

707
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:32.400
And that goes beyond just cuss words, all right, And

708
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:34.800
it says and they believe that it was possible for

709
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.239
believers to keep God's law at least in the moral

710
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:41.960
sense through the dwelling of the Holy Spirit. All right,

711
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.960
and then well we'll stop there, because now we're going

712
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.679
to go to the seventeenth century all the way to

713
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:55.559
the present. What's the end result of all of this,

714
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.880
after all of these is what is the absolute? Again?

715
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.480
This is not even debatable, right, This is what drives

716
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.480
me crazy when I deal with lordship people, because here's

717
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:15.679
what everyone has to admit. God's law demands perfection internally

718
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:23.679
and externally, and no one can achieve it, even believers.

719
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:27.920
And any so called measurement of becoming more obedient is

720
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:33.480
just a game. You're just playing a little game because

721
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:38.280
you're in a perpetual state of sin. So then what

722
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:44.599
is our only hope that all we everybody wants to

723
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.599
focus on what God will give me strength to do.

724
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.480
We've got to stop focusing on what we supposedly have

725
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.840
power to do and admit what we cannot do, even

726
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.400
supposedly with God's power. And every single crier other than

727
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:02.599
the Anabaptist everyone's admitted we can't do it. So then

728
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:06.480
maybe the only answer to any of this is Jesus

729
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.920
came to do what we cannot do and saves us

730
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.400
not by making us able to do it, but saving

731
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.599
us by imputing his obedience to us. So my hope

732
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:20.920
is in what he did, not in what I do. Now,

733
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.840
I know this leads to then, well then what do

734
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.320
I do about my sin? Look, I'm not going to

735
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.119
justify it, but I just know this, no matter how

736
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:34.400
much you clean up yourself, you're still going to be

737
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.679
a sinner. And that's a reality. How that's where the

738
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.519
struggle has to be. How do we process that? Now?

739
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:43.599
Some can just be like, well, just do whatever you want.

740
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.519
I understand why you could come to that conclusion, right,

741
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.119
But weather whatever we do after that fact, here's what

742
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.440
I know. Sarah may be more holy than the rest

743
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.800
of us, but I know she's still a sinner, so

744
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.960
she can judge me because I'm not as that I'm

745
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.639
more center sinful than she is. But the bottom line

746
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.840
is it's a sinner judging a sinner, just by a

747
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:14.639
standard of what she doesn't commit. And that's why we

748
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:18.360
typically are allowed about the sins we don't commit. Right.

749
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.159
That's why it's so easy for inside the church to

750
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:27.360
condemn homosexuality because most of us don't struggle with that.

751
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.880
But just because I don't struggle with homosexuality, so and

752
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.199
what blows my mind is that Christians will literally say

753
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:38.440
you cannot be saved and be a homosexual. How is

754
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.599
that that would be like saying I can't be saved

755
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:54.760
and be a sinner, a glutton, a murmurer, a complainer, prideful. Okay, right,

756
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:59.000
The point is you give me a Christian and still

757
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.519
be a sin because that's the only Christians there are.

758
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:10.159
That's it. There's just sinful Christians and a holy God

759
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:17.440
who says sinful Christians by his holiness being imputed to

760
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.559
me but not making me holy. Now I see the

761
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.840
fact I just said he doesn't make me holy in practice,

762
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:26.719
I can't look. I just want to make sure when

763
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:32.400
you just know this, and I'll end with this, we're outside.

764
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:35.519
What we're talking about puts us outside of basically all

765
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:40.039
of Christianity. These views would not be accepted in any church.

766
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:46.280
Just know that. But whatever church says that we're wrong,

767
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:51.440
guess what, they still have to admit they're still dinners

768
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.360
unless they're Anabaptist. Okay, and there's not a lot of them, right,

769
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.360
but those concepts still show up. They just model it

770
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:03.719
a little bit. You will, you'll be sin you'll sin less.

771
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:06.800
How do you sin less if you're in a perpetual

772
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:15.239
state of sin? That's ridiculous, right exactly. And if I

773
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.320
break one law, I'm guilty of all of it. Then

774
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:19.360
I'm in a perpetual state of being guilty of the

775
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.920
entire law. So how do I measure that? Becomes just

776
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.840
such a We just create a human system. We've abandoned

777
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.480
God's system so far along ago. But I just want

778
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:34.000
to make sure you know I'm not No one is

779
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.760
required to believe what I'm teaching here. I'm not telling

780
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.440
anyone to believe what I'm teaching here. I'm telling you

781
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:41.480
that if you go to another church, you will have

782
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:44.920
to abandon everything I'm teaching you become. You will not

783
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.199
be accepted, you will not be In fact, you probably

784
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:52.719
may not even be able to be a member. That's

785
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.920
how far we're off the beaten path here, ladies. I

786
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.440
don't I feel like I can historically prove that, no,

787
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:03.320
we're right with Luther right. I guess you could go

788
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.840
to a Lutheran church. That you could go to a

789
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:10.679
Lutheran church that would put you much more in line

790
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.679
with it. So you know our savior Lutheran Church off

791
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.360
South seventh right, that's the Lutheran Church I was a

792
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.519
part of. You could go there. Hopefully they still believe this,

793
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:28.960
hopefully don't know anymore. But that's about it. So I'm

794
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:30.760
not going to tell you to agree with me in

795
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.880
any way, shape or form. I'm just telling you my

796
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.039
view is we can't do it. We cannot do it.

797
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.400
We still have a sinful nature, we have a stinful heart.

798
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.559
We cannot do it. And that my hope, is an

799
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.800
imputed righteousness. He has not infused me with anything. And

800
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.000
I do not have any power because if I have

801
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:50.360
power to keep it. And all the people who claim

802
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:55.000
to have said power, I've known them. They talk a

803
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.599
big game. Some of them. I know what they did

804
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.320
maybe before they got married. Talk to big game. I

805
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.480
know you what the sins you were committing then, right,

806
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.280
and so now maybe you're married, maybe you're not committing

807
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.480
those sins. But you're still a sinner no matter how

808
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:10.719
big a game you talk. I know you're a sinner.

809
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:14.239
The more you know people who believe this stuff, you

810
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.280
know them now. If you don't know them, they can

811
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:25.719
look what really good? Sooner or later, what happens the

812
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:29.960
curtain comes down and all you have to do if

813
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.320
you can't get past them, just asked to talk to

814
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:39.599
their kids, are their spouse and then sooner or lad

815
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.280
you know, let's pray. Lord God, we come before you

816
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:44.800
this afternoon. Forgive us for our sins, because that's what

817
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:48.599
we are, sinners. And we're grateful for one thing, your

818
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:50.960
son and his obedience. And we asked this in Jesus name.

819
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.960
And God's people said