Aug. 28, 2024

Chapel Services

Chapel Services

School is back in session so let’s talk about chapel services at Christian schools.

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School is back in session so let’s talk about chapel services at Christian schools.

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective.

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This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central.

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Good afternoon everyone. It is Wednesday, August twenty eighth, twenty

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twenty four. It is currently two thirty six pm Central Time,

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and I am coming to you live from the Theology

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Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Hey, ladies

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and gentlemen, this has to stop, all right. I'm developing

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a pattern here that's not going very well, and we've

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got to break the cycle. We've got to break this pattern.

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What is happening? You heard it yesterday? I did a broadcast.

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I didn't think it went very well. In fact, it

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was trash. In fact, I still think I probably should

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have deleted it. So then I did a second one

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to try to make up for the first one. I

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thought the second one was somewhat better. I thought we

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raised at least some important questions. How do you know

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if you really love God? Now there wasn't a lot

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of response to that question, but I think I think

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we did a good job challenging how most people would

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answer that question. And I think the Book of Revelation

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in chapter two really destroys a lot of people's perspective

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on that. So so we made up for the bad one,

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at least in my mind. Well, then today I was like, oh,

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I know what we'll do. I'll work on Ephesians chapter

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four because we have to. We've got to finish this up.

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It's one of those things we've kind of left unfinished,

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so let's get to it. Wait wait, wait, Well, you

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know this whole thing started because we were listening to

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the Salt and Light conference. Well, I mean, it can't

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hurt to go back and review another message from that.

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It will only add to our discussion about Ephesians four.

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What was I thinking. My whole frustration with that conference

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was I don't feel like they're really dealing with Ephesians

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Chapter four, right, That was my whole frustration. So what

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did I go? And that thing turned into a total

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and complete disaster. So I'm back to try to make

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up for my failure earlier. And I hope this will

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go somewhat. I hope it goes well. I hope it

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goes I hope it. I hope it goes well. Well,

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we will see. Now, one of the things I've been

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trying to bring to your attention, ladies and gentlemen. And

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you don't really need me to bring this to your attention.

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But if you're not paying attention, school is in the air.

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School is in the air. The school bell is ringing.

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Does that make you have flashbacks going, Oh wait, I'm late,

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I'm late to my class. I gotta hurry, I gotta hurry.

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I was always late to class. I was always late

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to class because I don't know, I was off wandering

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around doing whatever. I'm like, Oh no, I gotta get

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the class. I gotta get the class. Okay, all right, Well,

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then I can connect it to a famous album and well, okay,

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I'm not gonna get into all that. But the point is,

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school is in the air. Now you say, well, not

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for me, I'm not going to school. I don't care.

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But school is in the air. And the specifically what

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I'm referring to is Bible colleges and Christian universities. They

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are back in session. And you say, well, I don't care,

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it doesn't impact me. Listen to me. Bible colleges and

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Christian universities are training, are equipping the next generation of

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Christian leaders, pastors, missionaries, where whatever they may go, wherever

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their vocations may take them. They're training the next generation. Now,

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if it was up to me, I would burn down

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the seminary, you know, institute, the institution of the seminary

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and Bible colleges. I would burn all of that to

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the ground. There wouldn't be any because I think local

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churches should be the one training the future Christian leaders.

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It should be happening within the context of the local church.

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The local church should be training, equipping, and sending out

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and supporting. That's the way it should be. Not hey,

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go off to Bible college seminary, get into all kinds

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of debt, and then you can't even actually take that

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job at a small church because you know you've got

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to be able to pay back your school loans. Oh

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I can't. I can't stand the entire system, right, But

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whether I may want the system burned to the ground,

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the you know, the seminary industrial complex, that whole industry,

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that old Bible college industry. Even though I'm not a

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fan of it, I know it exists and I know

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that it's training the next generation. So I love to

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keep up with what's going on in Bible colleges and seminaries, right,

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I want to know and this is not a perfect

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way to keep up. But one of the things you

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can do is you can take your sermons two point

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oh app and right now you can start looking for

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Bible colleges, Bible institutes, universities, seminaries, and you can follow

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every single one. And as you follow every single one,

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then right there on the Sermon's two point oh app

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and your feed tab, you're going to get all the

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new content that they are putting out, whatever it may be,

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and you can get at least that's not you're not

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going to have a perfect idea, but that's at least

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one way. And then on other podcasting apps, you can

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look up church Christian universities, you can look up Bible colleges,

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seminaries and find others that don't broadcast on the Sermon's

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two point oh app and overall you'll get a pretty

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good idea if you know of Christian universities or seminaries

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or Bible colleges that put out any kind of philological journal.

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That's another way to keep up with what's going on.

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There's lots of ways if you really want to know,

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because really it gives you an idea where Christianity is going.

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You can see where Christianity is, but where is it going?

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Is it is it? Look? Does the future look so

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bright that you have to wear shades? Okay? I know

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I'm referencing another musical term. All right, but is it

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looking good? Or is it looking like? Oh my goodness,

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the end is near. If that's the future, then ended.

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Now.

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Just say, hey, ladies and gentlemen, we're closing down the

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church because I've seen where we're going and it's not good.

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Just run for your lives. Close the church. It's over.

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The future is in danger. Okay. I don't know which

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way it's going to go. You can determine for yourself.

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So that's what I've been doing. I've got my sermon's

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two point oh app I've been checking it left and

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right looking for the newest content, and all of a

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sudden I found Bob Jones University. They've been broadcasting a

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lot lately because school is back in session. Right, do

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I need to do the Do I need to turn

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off my microphone and do this again? School is back

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in session?

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Right?

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Okay, it's it's it's not worth the trouble. I have

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to mute. I have to hit two buttons to mute.

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Two different microphones in order to play that sound where

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you don't get the echo. It's it's it's it's too

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much trouble. And in my mind, oh, that's I'm being

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clever and I'm being funny, and reality I'm like, that's

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just more trouble than it's worth. Okay, but the point

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is school is back in session. So if you know

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anything about Bible colleges and Christian universities, you know they

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have something that typically students are required to attend. What

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am I referring to, Well, let's listen to what was

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going on at Bob Jones University. I don't know if

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this was I think this was this morning. I think

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this was this morning because I heard this live. I've

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been waiting for it to show up in my feed.

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So I think this happened this morning on the campus

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of Bob Jones University, which is in where is that Greenville,

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South Carolina. I believe that's where it's located. So let's

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go to the Well, let's go to the campus of

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Bob Jones University. Let's hear what was going on this morning.

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If you went to Bible College, if you went to seminary,

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you know what I'm referring to. If you did not

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go to Christian university or Bible College, you have no idea.

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Maybe you have an idea, but here, here is what

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happens on many of their campuses. You're ready, Here we go.

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Welcome, Welcome to the first chapel.

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And we're actually going to call this metachapel because we're

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going to be describing what chapel will be like in chapel.

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So welcome to the first chapel. Now, if you go

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to Bible College, if you go to seminary, if you

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go to a Christian university, there is chapel service. Many

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of those Christian universities, chapel service attendance is mandatory. Now

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my experience, most of my education seminary, Bible College, Bible institutes,

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Bible Institute. I was physically a student a Christian university.

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I was physically present, but many of the others I

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did things online. I did things online. I was in

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the United States Military, so I had to do a

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lot of things online. But so I was present for

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some and for others. I was doing distance learning if

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you want to use it that way, online learning, if

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you want to use that term. But I do have

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an experience with chapel all right, because here's what happened.

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I was in the United States Military. I was stationed

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at Offit Air Force Base, Omaha, Nebraska. Now, as soon

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as I got there, look, my whole purpose of joining

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the military. I hate to destroy the image, but it

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wasn't because I wanted to serve country or because I

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wanted money for school. That's what I wanted. I wanted

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to out of Texas. I wanted away from my horrible,

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horrible situation here. I wanted out of this place, and

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I wanted to escape. But I wanted money for college.

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So as soon as I arrived at my first duty station,

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off At Air Force Bace, Omaha, Nebraska, I was like,

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I get me to a school. Oh, there's Grace University

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downtown Omaha, Nebraska. It's a Christian universe. I want to

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go to school there. What do I gotta do?

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Right?

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Okay? So I get with the educational department on base.

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How do I get money for this? Okay, they'll pay

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for this. Okay. How do I sign up for this? Okay,

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pool go and enroll. Boom. I'm a student at Grace University, oh, Maha, Nebraska.

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I'm taking classes to see world religion genesis. I can't

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remember the class, all the classes I took there. I

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can't remember everything I accomplished at Grace University, but there

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I began my educational pursuits, my philological educational pursuits. All right,

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So I'm a student, I'm enrolled. I was taking a

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full course load. I just remember some classes more than other.

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I had my own little, you know, mailbox there on

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campus everything, right, I remember going to the bookstore getting

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my textbooks everything. So in some ways I was like

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a normal student. But in other ways I wasn't like

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a normal student. I wasn't living on campus or anything.

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I was in the United States Military. I was working

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forty plus hours a week, like I had responsibilities. I

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knew that that I was not an an in residence student.

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I was living off campus, and my situation was clearly understood. Right,

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So I'm attending classes, and I was able to take

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classes at different times. Sometimes happen to be in the evening.

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Sometimes the military work where I could go take an hour.

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It was it was just a weird way structuring everything.

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But I go to my mailbox just to check to

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see because sometimes the university would send things out to

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students that you needed to see. And so I got

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there and it says you have a mandatory appointment with

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the dean, and I'm like, what in the world do

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I have to go see the dean for? Right? So

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I go and I go in the secretary set. He'll

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see you and knock on the door, walk in. Are

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you you know? Ask me my name? Yes, sir? Yes, Okay,

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Well there's a problem. You are, you know, possibly in

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trouble because it has brought to our attention that you

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have been a student here for this long and you

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have never attended chapel. Chapel is mandatory. If you do

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not attend chapel, you're in this kind of probation and

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this can happen and then you could be thrown out.

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And I'm like wait what, I'm like, hey, serve, okay,

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back up, back up, I don't live on campus. I'm

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in the United States Military. When your chapel service is

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going on, Yeah, depending on what my job was at

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the time, I may be holding an M sixteen guarding

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whatever I'm guarding at the or I may be working

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the gate like or I'm working at the hospital. Depending

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on what my job was At that specific time, I'm like,

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what are you talking about? So I almost got in

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trouble because I was not attending chapel service. And he said, well, okay,

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we understand, but whenever you can, you should make it

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a priority because chapel is very important. And I'm like, okay. Now,

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at that time, I kind of walked away a little frustrated,

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right and right. What I was thinking is, okay, So

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if you go to school here and you take a

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full load, you're taking things like Old Testament Survey, New

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Testament Survey, You're taking things like World Religions, Genesis whatever.

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all these things about the Bible and about Christianity and

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church history and theology and Armaenuticts and Exegesus and Hebrew

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and Greek and all these things. And so it was weird, like,

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so you're doing all of this, but you also have

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to attend chapel service. So there was a part of

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me like, I wonder what they're hoping to actually accomplish

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by making people go to chapel service. What are they

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actually accomplishing? And on other Christian universities that are really

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more like a liberal arts school school. Many of those

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students just complain all day long that they have to

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go to Chapel service. They hate it and say, well,

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why did you pick a Christian university? But they they're

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there because, well, the school offers a degree in this.

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the educational party want to they want to do this,

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so they want to do this. They don't care about

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the Christian part, and it's like, well what, So sometimes

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like why is Chapel here? Because these kids hate it,

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others are forced to be there. They already got a

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million things going on. They're trying to remember, Okay, what

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did we learn in Old Testament survey? What did we

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learn in New Testament survey? What did I learn in

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Greek class? What did I learn in Hebrew class? What

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did I learn about Leviticus? What? What did I learn?

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it's supposed to be And I've always kind of been like, so,

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what is Chapel really supposed to be?

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Others have far different attitudes about it. Some will say

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it's like the greatest experience of their lives Hyles Anderson

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College in Indiana. I will listen to them and they're

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chapel services. Sometimes it's a little frustrating. I don't really

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understand their culture. But it'll be like, Okay, today, your

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guest speaker is pastor so and so, and then the

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students just like yeah, and they cheer like and it

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goes on for like five six minutes, and the pastors like, okay,

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sit down, sit down, and they're whistling and cheering like

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it's I don't And I'm like, what in the world

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is this? Could you just let the speakers speak? So

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I So, then the preacher just preaches. I'm like, so

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they're getting preaching on top of all their Bible courts.

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I So, I like, what what what should be the mindset? Well,

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obviously this is the first chapel at Bob Jones University,

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and they're going to explain chapel in chapel, referring to

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this as metachapel. So I'm going to back this up.

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Let's see what Bob Jones University. Because the reason I'm

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playing this is they're they're trying to change some things

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about chapel so it'll be more beneficial, more helpful, more useful.

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So I'm kind of curious. Let's hear what's going on

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on the campus of Bob Jones University.

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Welcome, Welcome to the first Chapel.

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And we're actually going to call this Metachapel because we're

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going to be describing what chapel will be like in chapel.

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So we're going to spend some time just having conversations

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about chapel this year and some new changes, some suggestions

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that we had from student leaders, and so I'm excited

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about our first chapel. I hope you are surviving the heat.

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it gets in the nineties with this kind of humidity,

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it's really really hot.

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But I'm glad you guys are surviving.

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So they're making changes. I'm interested to hear the changes.

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Maybe we'll get kind of their philosophy about chapel. All right,

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students have made suggestions. Okay, I'm interested. Now I do

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have to laugh. If it's ninety degrees and you think

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that's hot, it was one hundred and thirteen degrees, or

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I know people can say it's a dry okay, Okay, alright, whatever, Okay,

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but I digress. So, but I am interested to hear

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exactly what this is about because because almost all Christian colleges,

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almost all Christian universities, Bible colleges, seminaries, they almost all

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have mandatory chapel. I mean it's pretty common.

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My question is it's common because it's tradition or is

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it common because it has been found to be absolutely

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life altering, life changing? And everyone who leaves campus is like,

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I miss those days of chapel now again. I just

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struggle with it, right, because you've got all this other

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stuff going on? Do you need another preaching teaching service

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when you just walked out of New Testament survey, you

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just walked out of Greek class, you just walked out

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of your study on the Pauline Epistles, you just walked

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out of the you know, the minor prophets class, and

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now you're going to go to a preaching class so

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that you can take more notes. So I just I

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don't know. I know, look know that my mindset is

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always I question everything, So I know this is it.

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I'm not always a good person to get a because

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I just challenge everything, Like I don't care if you

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did it for fifty years. Who came up with the

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rule that you have to do it? But obviously there's

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no biblical rule that saying Christian university and Bible College

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you must have chapel. There's just no there's no biblical rule.

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For they may believe there's a biblical foundation. I don't

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believe there's any command whatsoever to do this. Again, I

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believe the training should be done in the local church,

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especially for pastors and missionaries. Any of those schools that

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focus on training pastors and missionaries, all of that should

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be done in the local church. I'm utterly convinced of that.

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I think the New Testament would support my view more

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than sending them off to Bible College. But in all

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of these other settings, Christian universities and all of these,

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I mean, should you make it mandatory or should you

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I think they make it mandatory. I don't know. I could,

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I could probably verify, But many schools make I mean

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had to be there, so I know many schools make

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it mandatory. So what like I don't mandatory worship. See

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that just seems contrary to me. Mandatory worship. You will

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be at chapel service and you're gonna worship God because

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we tell you to say, I'm not. How do you

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feel about that? Right, I'll have to look and see

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if I'll look and see if Bob Jones is mentoring.

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with evangelist Brent Savinski and at this time Josiah Cheryl

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is gonna come and open our service in prayer.

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Let's pray together.

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Heavenly Father, we thank you for another school year that

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you have given to us. We thank you for the

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beautiful day outside and the reminder Lord that it is

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of your faithfulness to us and to your creation. Would

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reminded of the beauty of it all, and God that

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how it magnifies your glory and your power. And so

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we ask Lord that as we come into this school year,

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that we would see that more and more, Lord, that

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we would commit ourselves to you, recognizing your holiness and

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your greatness and Father, your authority over us, but also

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your kindness to us and sending your son. So we

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pray Lord that as we walk together this year and

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this semester, that you would guide us closer to yourself, Lord,

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and magnify your name and your son, Jesus Christ through us.

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We commit this year to you, God, and we commit

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this time together to understanding better how our school is

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to operate, and how we can focus and chapel and

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how things are going to operate this year. We love

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your Lord, and we commit this time to you now

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in Jesus' name. Amen.

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Now, during that prayer, I was doing research. Chapel services

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at Bob Jones University are mandatory for students. Bob Jones University,

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known for its conservative Christian values, require students to attend

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chapel services regularly as a part of their spiritual formation

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and community involvement. Chapel services at Bob Jones University are

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typically held multiple times a week and feature worship, preaching

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and teaching that align with university mission and develop students

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Christian faith and character. Attendance is monitored and students are

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expected to participate as part of the commitment to the

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school's guidelines and spiritual expectations. If a student fails to

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attend the required chapel services. There are specific consequences that

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are part of the school's disciplinary system. Here's what typically happens.

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If a student does not attend first demerits. Missing chapel

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service can result in demerits, which are part of the

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university system of handling infractions. A certain number of demerits

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are assigned for each unexcused absence accumulation of demerits. If

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a student accumulates too many demerits from miss chapel services,

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along with any other infractions, they can face escalating disciplinary actions.

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These actions might include additional meetings with a dean see

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I had to have a meeting with a dean, required counseling,

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or other corrective measures disciplinary probation. If the accumulation of

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demerits reaches a higher threshold, the student could be placed

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on discpulinary probation. This status comes with more severe restrictions

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and expectations, and continued non compliance could lead to further

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consequences potential suspension or dismissal, and extreme cases, continued failure

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to attend chapel and accumulate demerits can lead to suspension

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or even dismissal from the University, although this is generally

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reserved for repeated or more serious offenses. Bob Jones University

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emphasizes the importance of chapel as part of the student's

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spiritual development and community involvement, so adherence to attendance requirement

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is taken seriously. However, students may be able to get

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excused for legitimate reasons, such as illness or other approved conflicts,

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usually by communicating with the appropriate university office. Is mandatory, chapel, mandatory,

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worship mandatory, And if you don't go to merits and

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then it escalates, you can draw your own conclusion about that.

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This and this is not a Bob Jones thing, It's

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just that's who we're listening to. But again, Great University, Omaha, Nebraska.

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I got in trouble and was being threatened with being

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placed on student probation and then who knows, possible dismissal,

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and I'm like, what do you want me to do?

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I'm in the United States Military for crying out loud.

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You know this, right? Okay? So, so it's like the

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whole thing was ridiculous the way it went down. So

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but and again, I've heard plenty of other students I mean,

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I live in Abilene, Texas. There's Ableing Christian University, Hardin

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Simmons and McMurray. All three are Christian universities. One's church

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christ one is Southern Baptist, and one is a Methodist.

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I think all three have required required chapel, mandatory chapel.

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It's required. And I've heard basically constantly people like, I'm

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so sick of this. Why do I have to go?

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Why do I have to go? Why do I have

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to go? And you could argue, well, that's a good

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thing because you're teaching them responsibility, you're teaching them discipline.

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They already have to go to class, they already have

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to pass tests, they already have to write term papers,

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they already have a million other responsibilities, many of them. Well,

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not only are they are living on campus and going

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to school full time, they have jobs, have either jobs

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on campus jobs off campus. They have jobs, they have

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school that I like. I don't know if chapel's going like,

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I just don't know the mandatory part of it is.

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But let's see what the changes Bob Jones is going

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to do this year, and let's talk about it, and

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then we'll talk about the history of it, and we'll

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talk about some other things that hopefully will be interesting.

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Our faithful God has brought us back from summer break

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and will continue to be faithful to us this semester.

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His mercies are new to us every morning, and in response,

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our life's crime should be yet not I, but Christen

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me as we.

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Live for him.

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Let's stand and sing.

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so they're getting ready to sing. It may start for

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all the music. So I think I've eliminated some of it.

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so you know, all right, let's just see what happens.

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I'm singing.

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There's nothing like hearing thousands of college students raising their

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And worship, and it is so good to be here.

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The last time I spoke on campus last semester, I

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was actually wearing a red dress and makeup and long hair.

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So I don't wear as in living gallery as the

463
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:10.920
Apostle John. So I remember going to the costume department

464
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.559
and I realized, like, I'm gonna have to wear this

465
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:18.559
red floor length robe, kind of fitted floor length robe.

466
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.519
And then I looked.

467
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:21.839
At the wig and I thought, well, at least it'll

468
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.319
cover my baldness. And even the wig had a receding hairline.

469
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:28.920
So it was it was an interesting experience, but it

470
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:29.599
was really cool.

471
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:31.519
If you ever get to be in a living gallery,

472
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:33.519
I'd encourage you to take advantage of that.

473
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:37.880
Now again, he said, you know, it's awesome to hear

474
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:42.799
all these students' voices raised and worship. Again, is worship mandatory?

475
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.880
Like if you if you make worship mandatory, then is

476
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:48.680
it worship?

477
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:50.480
Now?

478
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.000
I'm not seeing every student there feels the weight of

479
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.960
the being mandatory. But if you're forced to be there,

480
00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:00.759
I mean, isn't worship something that we should do freely, willingly,

481
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:07.160
out of love, out of you know, our gratitude for

482
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.839
His mercy and grace. We come because we're broken and

483
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:16.960
we're humbled, and or we are we're convicted. I struggle

484
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:20.920
with that. That that's my own struggle. Nothing again. Schools, obviously,

485
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.119
the institutions can do whatever they want. They can create

486
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.640
any rule they want. I'm not telling any student to

487
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.119
rebel against any rule, nothing like that. I'm just having

488
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.200
a conversation about, well, what's going on, I mean schools

489
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:33.759
in the air. We're talking about what's going on in

490
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.279
all these campuses, and so I've always had these questions. Again,

491
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.720
That's why I started with my story at Grace University.

492
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.640
I'm not singling out any university, So no one get

493
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.799
mad at me that I'm picking on some school. I'm not.

494
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.640
I'm just the whole concept of you will go to

495
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.519
chapel and we're going to worship God. Just don't know

496
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:55.640
if worship can be worship if it's being there because

497
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.680
you're mandatory, because you've been made to be there now.

498
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:03.440
So that's that's where I'm conflicted from a philological perspective.

499
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.359
How many of you were in summer school this summer, Okay,

500
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.839
a number of you took classes. That is exactly what

501
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.720
I felt like that I was in summer school, learning

502
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.599
and listening as I traveled across the country and even

503
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:24.200
across the world, talking to alumni and donors and faculty

504
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.119
and staff, and especially I enjoy talking to students and

505
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.480
so it's great now to have all of those students

506
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.160
and many many more back on campus as.

507
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.079
We start this school year. And we did stay busy

508
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:37.599
this summer.

509
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:40.079
One of the big projects that we worked on was

510
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:44.039
a new business space. And I appreciate a number of

511
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.960
our alumni donors who gave about eight hundred thousand dollars.

512
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.680
So this wouldn't affect tuition or what students give, but

513
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.119
they wanted to donate to improve your student experience.

514
00:28:55.200 --> 00:29:03.319
So let's get eight hundred dollars. The amount of money

515
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:12.759
that's funneled into Christian universities, seminaries, Bible colleges, a number

516
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:18.480
is absolutely staggering, right, I mean, like I don't even know,

517
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.640
like if my church at any point, and it's twenty

518
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:28.319
four year history, would have ever received five hundred thousand dollars,

519
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.720
I don't even like the things we could have done,

520
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.240
even we were a little church in the middle of nowhere, Texas.

521
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.319
Anyone who's listened to me forever. We tried to give

522
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.559
away books, we tried to get at one point, we

523
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.960
were providing curriculum to people for free. We were doing

524
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.240
everything in our power to educate, to train, to disciple,

525
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:51.960
to equip and yeah, I mean we were. I mean, yeah,

526
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.400
it's just creat Can you imagine that much money going

527
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.039
into a church and all the educational opportunities churches could

528
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.200
provide the materials they I could, well, shouldn't that be?

529
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.839
I just think I can't. I'm so conflicted over the

530
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:09.920
whole structure. You know, again, a Christian university, I understand.

531
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.880
I guess you know. That's where your kid doesn't have

532
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.319
to go to the bad It's so called secular university.

533
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.799
But in some ways, don't you want the Christian people

534
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.559
into secular university to be a light to be salt

535
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.839
and light. Salt and light needs light needs to be

536
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.599
in darkness, and salt needs to be where salt is missing.

537
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:33.559
Right If we just all gather around in the Christian university,

538
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.200
so we escape the bad world, at some point you've

539
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.000
got to enter into the bad world. Right, So I

540
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.319
mean all by the time you get to university, but

541
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.000
time you get to college, supposedly you've spent eighteen seventeen

542
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.279
to eighteen years in church, you should be as discipled

543
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.960
and is equipped. You should basically have the equivalent of

544
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.480
a seminary education. If you've been in church for basically

545
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.720
eighteen years. But too many times churches take their teenagers

546
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:03.000
and it's fun, food, activity, ridiculousness, and the kids are

547
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.240
theologically illiterate, biblically illiterate. And then we're like, Okay, now

548
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.440
we can't send them to the secular university because they'll

549
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.519
get eaten alive. We got to go send them to

550
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.279
a Christian university. So now the Christian university can do

551
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.160
what the church didn't do. The church didn't equip them,

552
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.400
the church didn't train them, the church didn't equip them.

553
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.119
So they're no longer tossed to and fro with every

554
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:23.960
wind of doctrine. So now we got to spend all

555
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.880
of this money to send them to a Christian university

556
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.400
because the church completely felt at its job. That's how

557
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:34.640
I feel about the situation. But that's a lot of money.

558
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:40.599
Eight hundred thousand dollars. That's a lot of money.

559
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.039
In the hand to the crew who put together the

560
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:41.880
new business space.

561
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:50.680
I appreciate.

562
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.480
Doctor Weathers also sent out a survey with me, and

563
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.240
we wanted to get feedback from students. What are things

564
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.640
that we can do to improve your student's experience. So

565
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.640
one of those was to get new sip lids for

566
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:07.240
the DC to go cups so that your beverage didn't

567
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:11.079
spill all over your new fit this semester. So I

568
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.400
appreciate the work that Aaron Mark did to get those

569
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:18.799
new siplids. Also, we are continuing to replace the World

570
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:28.480
War Two era vacuum cleaners in the dorms, so and

571
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:33.319
also to have printers that actually work consistently in the dorms.

572
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:40.279
So another excellent.

573
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.000
Suggestion we had was that once a month after society

574
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.519
will have food truck Fridays, so we'll have options for eating.

575
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.799
And then we also installed a disc golf course, so

576
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.720
that is on back campus. I think you'll get an

577
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.680
email maybe this afternoon, and we're trying to come up

578
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.680
with names, so if you want to help us name

579
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.720
the disc golf course. One of my former students who

580
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.200
was in Brasilion wanted to name it. I think on

581
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:15.039
you disc it said the Basilion Lake Disc golf Course

582
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.720
instead of the Omega Lake Disc golf Course. So we'll

583
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.440
let you guys come up with a name that you

584
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.079
want for that. We also installed cameras on all the

585
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:27.799
campus gates for more security, and then we'll also be

586
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.519
adding more casual Fridays throughout the semester and so we'll

587
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.039
let you know when those those are. And then we

588
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.920
adjusted some of the D group experiences, so we wanted

589
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.000
you to be able to come as town students to

590
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.519
D group, and I think mister Dalton was able to

591
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.599
talk to you about those yesterday. So we are continuing

592
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.119
to listen to student feedback. So if you have suggestions,

593
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.480
send those to President at BJU dot E d U

594
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.559
or to doctor Weathers, and we want to hear from

595
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.960
each of you. One of the things that we just

596
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.839
gus a lot this summer was chapel and so I

597
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:07.680
would meet regularly or not actually in person, but would

598
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.559
talk regularly to the SLC, which I always thoughts stood

599
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.760
for Salt Lake City, but here it stands for the

600
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.519
Student Leadership Council.

601
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:17.559
I think I got that right.

602
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.639
So the SLC had a lot of ideas for positive

603
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:25.079
changes that we could make to Chapel and the first

604
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.760
thing that we did was to hire a Chapel coordinator.

605
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.159
So if you would welcome our new Chapel coordinator, Pastor

606
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.239
Jerial antoy.

607
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:41.039
So.

608
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:42.320
Jerial was the.

609
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.320
Men's SLC leader president in twenty twenty. It's kind of

610
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.559
an interesting year to lead through. And then he and

611
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.400
I have been pastors together at Morningside for the last

612
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:56.920
four years. Facebook reminded me yesterday that we've actually been

613
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.599
friends on Facebook for six years. So, Jeral, I appreciate

614
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.320
that you actually started a Facebook account to reach out

615
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.840
to old people like your parents and me, So thank

616
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.519
you for doing that. What would you prefer that we

617
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:09.039
call you?

618
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:09.880
Do?

619
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.639
You all know my brother Jr. On Toy. You guys

620
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:13.199
know Jr.

621
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.199
So, so we're from Texas, but we're also Filipino. And

622
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.599
so when I was a student here, they literally called

623
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:23.079
me the Texapino. So you're welcome to use Texapino. Uh,

624
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.840
mister Ontoy is my dad, So I don't really like that,

625
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.320
but you know, we're both pastors at heart, right, and

626
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.320
so you know, Pastor Jerry ol, mister Jerry or whatever.

627
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.239
I'm I'm flexible, but I'm curious if I can flip

628
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:34.559
the script.

629
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.480
What should we call you? Pastor Josh?

630
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:39.800
I mean that's what you know, That's what I always

631
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:40.360
called him, pastor.

632
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.679
So yeah, when I worked with my dad, I had

633
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.840
gone back to my homecher so he was Pastor Crockett.

634
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.440
I was Pastor Josh so that's what I've been at morningside.

635
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:48.519
I do.

636
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.480
I hate to admit Oh, man, I hate to admit this. Oh,

637
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.360
I hate to admit this. Okay, now this I'm just

638
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.960
going to talk about my own This is me, all right,

639
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:07.000
this is me I have by my fleshly nature, all right.

640
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:11.280
I am always the anti conformist. I'm always the one

641
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:15.880
who doesn't like mandatory anything. I mean, I know it's ridiculous.

642
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.440
I was in the United States military, right, but even

643
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.039
in the military, there would be like commander's calls, right,

644
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.559
these are mandatory commander's call, you have to be there.

645
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.760
I did everything and my power to get out of them.

646
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.960
I found ways I worked when I especially worked in

647
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.960
the hospital. When I was security Forces, I never had

648
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.519
to go to one because I was typically always I

649
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:41.760
always had ways out of that. But when I worked

650
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:43.679
in the hospital, I just got in good with the doctors,

651
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.800
right because I worked directly with the doctors, and so

652
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:49.199
I got in good with all of them, and the

653
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.599
doctors liked me, and we always had great conversations. So

654
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.559
I got in and so I would basically like, look,

655
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.440
commander's calls tomorrow morning at seven am or whatever. Hey,

656
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.840
can't tell me there's something that needs to be done.

657
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.519
That was like before the first patient arrives. There would

658
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.840
always come up with something and then boom, and some

659
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.719
people look by, hey, why are you not a commander's call? Well,

660
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:11.639
doctor so and so told me I needed to call this,

661
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.840
or I didn't need to do this. Sorry, can't go right.

662
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.519
So I always got out of it in some way,

663
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.639
shape or four. People are always laughing at my way

664
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.639
to get out of it, And if I had to go,

665
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.440
I would get very frustrated. And I would sit there

666
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.159
so many times and say, why am I here at

667
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:30.559
a commander's call at seven am? Because everything you're telling

668
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.599
me you could have sent me in an email. You

669
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.159
could have send me a PowerPoint presentation. All your many cases,

670
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.519
you're just pointing things up on the slide, reading them.

671
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.480
You could have just sent this to me. I could

672
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.679
have looked at it in five minutes. But here we

673
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.360
are forty five minutes into this thing and we're not

674
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.880
oh so far. My flesh would be sitting there. I'd

675
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.079
be the kid. I would be sitting there going, oh

676
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.679
my goodness. I could be doing this. I could be

677
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.239
reading this. I could be studying this. I could be

678
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.400
doing this, I could be resting, I could be at

679
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.800
the library. I could be doing a million things, and

680
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:03.400
I'm sitting and so far none of this information has

681
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.480
It's just you could have just emailed everyone. You could

682
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.440
have put it in their mailbox. You could have just said,

683
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.880
here's the new Chapel coordinator. Boom. Here's we're gonna have

684
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.039
a disc golf course. We're gonna we got new sippy cups.

685
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.599
There's gonna be new vacuum cleaners, new sippy sippy cups,

686
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.320
new Sippy Liz or whatever he called them. All right,

687
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.880
We're gonna have we're gonna have new printers. Boom. Like

688
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.719
you could have just been like bullets, bullet statements one,

689
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.239
two three, here's the latest news from Bju boom boom, boom,

690
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:34.559
boom boom. You don't need to come to Chapel Service

691
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.960
for any of this, right, right, I mean come on now,

692
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:44.239
Like now that's that's again, that's that's my flesh. That's

693
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.599
my flesh, all right. I still want to know, like

694
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.079
what is the big changes, what's the big changes here

695
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.400
that that I really want to hear. I want to

696
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.199
get an idea of what what is what's their philosophy

697
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.760
behind chapel. We're getting there. I know it's we've already

698
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.320
been at this for thirty eight minutes and we're not

699
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.199
getting any right now. But I'm I'm I'm counting on.

700
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:03.199
We're gonna get somewhere.

701
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:06.639
Do you have a brother, doctor Crockett?

702
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.119
So sometimes I'll introduce myself as the not as smart,

703
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.000
not as rich doctor Crockett, But that's that's a little likely.

704
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:18.000
So doctor Josh, Doctor j I wish I could play

705
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:22.039
like Doctor j the NBA legend, but DJ, yeah, whatever

706
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:22.920
you want to, so.

707
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:24.119
I like it.

708
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.159
So what were some of the chapel changes that the

709
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.639
SLC talked about this summer? What are some of the

710
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.519
things that we're going to be doing as chapel coordinator.

711
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.119
You've kind of already experienced one of the changes, which

712
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.599
is more student led worship. And even as I'm sitting here,

713
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.079
it's been a couple of years since I've sung in FMA.

714
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.159
And you guys are blowing the roof off this place.

715
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.719
You guys sound incredible, and so you are our greatest asset,

716
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:48.440
and so as.

717
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:54.039
We blowing the roof off this place, Okay, I just

718
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.000
typically do you blow the roof off the place with

719
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.559
worship songs. I don't know. That just it seems like

720
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.360
a weird kind of a weird like we blow the

721
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:05.719
roof off the place. It's like, you know, I don't know,

722
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.119
like something you would hear at a electronic dance festival

723
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.039
or like, I don't know, a rock concert they blew

724
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.519
the roof off the place. I don't know. It just

725
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.039
seems an interesting description for worship.

726
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:21.280
But okay, talk to student leaders.

727
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.599
Even as we talk to several music faculty, it's like,

728
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.760
how can we actually use our students who are preparing

729
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.960
for a career in music or are going to be

730
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.280
the future leaders in church music all around?

731
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.239
Now? Actually, okay, I've made a little fun at the term,

732
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.360
but that's actually a good idea. If you've got students

733
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.880
on campus who are in the music department and they're

734
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.760
being trained to possibly be the new song leaders, praise

735
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.360
and worship leaders they're going to go into a few well,

736
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.920
then yeah, if give them the chance to use their

737
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.920
talents and their abilities right there in chapel, that's a

738
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:56.599
great I mean, that's that's a great idea because they're

739
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.599
getting the ability to get better at what they're doing so,

740
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.559
when they then leave the university to go to a

741
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.000
church or wherever, they can step right in and immediately

742
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.119
begin to help and prove that church's worship or whatever

743
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.079
the case may be. Even if they don't enter in

744
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.480
as a job, they can, even if they're just a

745
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.800
member at a church, they can immediately volunteer and make

746
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.800
the situation better. So, yeah, that's great. I love that.

747
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:23.760
That's great. Now again, I would really like to know

748
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.199
what would chapel look like on most of these Christian

749
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.840
university campuses if it wasn't mandatory. Now, by making it mandatory,

750
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:32.800
you do give them an audience in which to then

751
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.079
lead in worship. If you remove the mandatory part, they

752
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.199
could be leading worship to five people. So then but

753
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.639
then if they if the people don't show up, do what. Yes,

754
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.519
I'm conflicted. I'm conflicted, all right. But that's a good idea.

755
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.480
I love that's that's a great idea.

756
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.639
On the world literally, and so we wanted to tap

757
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:56.239
into that even from the chapel platform. And so different

758
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.840
days we'll kind of have different formats. So we'll have

759
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.199
music teams some days and choirs. If you sing an acchoir,

760
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.960
you'll be singing some days. We'll still have some song

761
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.360
leaders and piano other days. So that's going to be

762
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.559
kind of one of those changes. Just using more student

763
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:12.079
led music awesome.

764
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.119
One of the other things that we thought of and

765
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:18.079
heard from students was more videos. So, for instance, my

766
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.320
daughters came last year. I think on Monday, Bob Jenes

767
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.199
Academy would join BJU. This year, it's going to be

768
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.119
on Wednesday, and I said, you know, what are some

769
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.360
suggestions you have for chapel and they said number one,

770
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.599
less organ music, and then number two they said, we

771
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.039
what's that thing? They speed read like, we don't even

772
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.239
we don't even know it. And so I was like, oh,

773
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.280
the creed. And some of us come from churches that

774
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.880
don't have a creed. Others of you go to a

775
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.840
church that do have a confession, a historic confession or

776
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:53.639
creed credo in Latin just means I believe. And so

777
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:56.320
I think it is very important that we think about

778
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:58.920
what we believe, we think about the creed as we

779
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.159
say it. So we're going to try to start having

780
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.039
videos to help us kind of slow down and think

781
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.960
about the meaning of the creed. In many parts of

782
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.079
the world, what you believe as a Christian can cost

783
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.880
you your friends, your family, or even your life. My

784
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:18.360
baby brother, Luke is a cross cultural worker in Africa

785
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.119
with his family, his five little boys and his wife

786
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.119
are actually headed back there today. So we'll say some

787
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.199
tearful goodbyes and see them maybe in another two years,

788
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.599
but ask him to lead us in the Creed and

789
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.800
kind of introduce why is the Creed so important to

790
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:35.719
us as Christians?

791
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:41.079
Okay, so this is interesting. The people want more video?

792
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.719
Do you need video in chapel service? I mean, do

793
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.719
it to students? Watch enough videos? They need video in

794
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.880
chapel So I'm not I'm not so down with that again.

795
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.000
Ah all right, but the Creed? Okay, now this is

796
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.760
the history Bob. If you don't know, Bob Jones University

797
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.559
has a Creed. Now I'm somewhat conflicted on this as well.

798
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:14.320
Why would Bob Jones University create a creed when Christianity

799
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.360
has been given one of the most significant historical documents

800
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.519
and all of Christiandom, which is the Apostles Creed. Why

801
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.480
wouldn't you use the Apostles Creed? I think Creed should

802
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.800
be used everywhere, every church, every Christian school, homeschool every

803
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.079
I mean, Christians need to know the creeds. I think

804
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:36.639
we have three that are absolutely phenomenal. Right, even if

805
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.639
you have an issue with a one point here or there,

806
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.639
but the Apostles creed, the Nicene creed, and the Athenacious

807
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:45.679
creed or the Athenician creed. Everyone should know those three creeds.

808
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.639
Everyone should know them. We could go to the cal

809
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.440
Calcedonian definition, we could do that. I mean, there's other

810
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.480
things we could we could look at, but I mean

811
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.480
those three right there are absolutely instrumental in the history

812
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.480
of Christianity. To me had gone with the Apostles creed.

813
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:04.719
But well, let's listen to the Bob Jones. They're gonna

814
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:06.559
use a video here, which is kind of weird. Why

815
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.159
wouldn't you just have someone stand there and say, okay,

816
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.360
here's the creed. We think the creed is absolutely instrumental,

817
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.199
so we're gonna be using the creed in chapel. They

818
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.960
go to a video of someone explaining the creed. Couldn't

819
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.320
you just have someone I don't understand the video thing.

820
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.599
Does it change because well there's a person up there talking.

821
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:30.719
Oh wait, now there's a video screen and I get

822
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.719
to watch someone talk like I I'm not. I don't

823
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.880
that's kind of I'm a little conflicted on it. But

824
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.400
let's listen to what they say about the Creed.

825
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:49.159
Hey, good morning. My name is Luke Crockett, and my

826
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.960
family and I live and minister on a small island

827
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.760
off the coast of East Africa. And the reality is

828
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.199
that in many parts of the world and many other countries,

829
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:03.000
to publicly proclaim these core doctrinal truths that we affirm

830
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:08.719
in the Creed risk to bring persecution isolation. I remember

831
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.639
baptizing a young mother who saved out of Islam and

832
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.559
joined our church, And when we went to do the baptism,

833
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:16.440
I thought maybe she would want to be baptized in

834
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.719
another village on the other side of the island, where

835
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.639
where not many people knew her. And she said, no,

836
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.519
I want to be baptized in my home village so

837
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:28.039
that my family and my friends can publicly see my

838
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:33.079
declaration to follow Jesus Christ. But it cost her dearly.

839
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.800
Her mother, her sister whom she lived with, says you're

840
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.400
dead to us. Her husband ended up leaving her and

841
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:42.519
her four children. But sadly, that is a reality in

842
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:44.719
many parts of the world. Right now, we have a

843
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.199
young man seventeen years old. He wants to get baptized,

844
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:49.679
but his dad is forbidding it, saying it will bring

845
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:55.760
dishonor and shame to our family. The truths that we

846
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.679
affirm in the Creed are so important because they're relevant.

847
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.840
They're relevant to every culture, to every nationality, to every language,

848
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.880
to every generation. So I'd invite you now to recite

849
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:15.840
with me the vju Creed. I believe in the inspiration

850
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.800
of the Bible, both the Old and the New Testaments,

851
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:21.840
the creation of man by the dread factor of God,

852
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.480
the incarnation of virgin birth of our Lord and Savior

853
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:29.480
Jesus Christ. His identification as to son of God is

854
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.960
vicarious atonement for the sins of mankind by the sheddingest

855
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.519
blood across the resurrection of his body from the tube.

856
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:41.280
His power is save men from sin, the new birth

857
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.599
to the regeneration by the Holy Spirit, and the gift

858
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:46.760
by eternal life by the.

859
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:47.360
Grace of God.

860
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:50.480
I hope every.

861
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:56.480
Said, I'm not understanding the use of the video. Why

862
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.119
the video you get to be like, hey, the Creed

863
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:04.920
is super and other cultures to publicly professor faith could

864
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:09.320
lead to pain suffering, maybe even death. There are stories,

865
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.639
and I know someone who has this story. You could

866
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.280
say that and then say, here's the creed. Let's say it.

867
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.679
If you could not hear that because you had the

868
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.679
video playing and then the students citing it, and of

869
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.159
course they weren't synced up because it's a video. Okay,

870
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.199
all right, but here we go. Here's the creed, the

871
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.280
Bob Jones creed. We believe in the inspiration of the Bible,

872
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:33.280
both the Old and the New Testaments. That's awesome. The

873
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.039
creation of man by the direct act of God, that's awesome.

874
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:38.679
The incarnation and virgin birth of our Lord and Savior

875
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.199
of Jesus Christ, that's awesome. His identification as the son

876
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:48.599
of God, his identification as the son of God or okay,

877
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.360
I don't know. I don't like that identify he was

878
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.639
the son of God, the eternal son of God, all right.

879
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.800
His vicarious atonement for the sins of mankind by the

880
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.079
shedding of his blood on the cross, the resurrection of

881
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.440
his body from the two, his power to save men

882
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.960
from sin. I wish he would have had more about

883
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.079
imputed righteousness. But okay, the new birth through the regeneration

884
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.119
by the Holy Spirit and the gift of eternal life

885
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.440
by the grace of God. That is the Bob Jones

886
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.920
University Creed. Now the Apostles Creed, which is the one

887
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.880
I would think you should go with, is this. I

888
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:24.039
believe in God the Father, Almighty, creator of heaven and earth.

889
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:27.760
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord,

890
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.159
who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the

891
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.280
Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilot, was crucified, died, and

892
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.119
was buried. He descended to the dead. On the third

893
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.719
day he rose again. I don't remember. Some translations would

894
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.079
be he descended into hell, but he descended to the dead.

895
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.880
On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven.

896
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.280
He is seated at the right hand of the Father

897
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.280
and will come to judge the living and the dead.

898
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.280
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church,

899
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.079
the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection

900
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:01.239
of the body, and life ever lasting. Ah men, Now

901
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.280
the are very different. Now the Apostles Creed is shaped

902
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.719
in a Trinitarian form.

903
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:06.320
Right.

904
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.559
I believe in God the Father, I believe in Jesus Christ,

905
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.599
and I believe in the Holy Spirit. It's trinitarian and structure.

906
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.880
The Bob Jones Creed does not mention the Trinity in

907
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.960
any way, shape or form, and so yeah, but okay,

908
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.639
that's the Creed, all right, Awesome, So they want to

909
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.760
use videos and I guess they want to do more

910
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:33.639
with the Creed. No major hostsale changes here. Let's see

911
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.400
if they say any more. I wanted to go through

912
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.920
the like I was going to compare and contrast. I

913
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.119
was going to go through the compare and contrast the

914
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.360
Bob Jones Creed with the Apostles Creed and kind of

915
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.079
go through the history and all of that. But this

916
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.159
has taken much longer than I thought. Let's see what

917
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.320
else is going on at chapel at Bob Jones University.

918
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.320
The time we come to worship in Chapel and we

919
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.199
recite that Creed that we will think about the meaning,

920
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.480
We're actually going to have a contest. So any of

921
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.599
our visual storytelling majors or graphic design majors, or just

922
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.679
really any student. I know we have a lot of

923
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.199
creatives in a liberal arts university like this, We'd love

924
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.840
for you to kind of imagine the Creed and put

925
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.400
it in video and we'll have a contest and use

926
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:23.119
those in chapel throughout the semester. At this time, I'm

927
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.559
going to ask Marina Rodriguez to come and join Pastor

928
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:31.599
Jerial and me, and she is a senior criminal justice major,

929
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.199
and she's going to talk about using a journal. Would

930
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:35.239
you welcome Marina with me?

931
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:37.480
All right?

932
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.159
So she comes and talks about journals, and it looks

933
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.280
like they're handing out journals. So it sounds like what

934
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.800
they want is on certain days of chapel they want

935
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.239
everyone to bring a physical Bible, which is great. I

936
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.360
think that's awesome. Bring a physical Bible and a physical journal.

937
00:51:53.719 --> 00:52:01.039
So they really want people coming to chapel to to

938
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.079
take notes, to open a Bible and to take notes again,

939
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.400
which I don't understand. But then later on they say,

940
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.840
really what they the goal of it? And they kind

941
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.199
of say this later on that the goal of chapel

942
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:13.639
is not really seminary. It's not like it's not to

943
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.639
go deep. It's a spiritual pep rally. It's a spiritual

944
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.119
pep rally. So they see chapel more as a spiritual

945
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.079
pep rally, which I'm like, okay. So it's a mandatory

946
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.920
pep rally. They want you to bring a Bible, they

947
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.000
want you to take notes. You're already have a Bible

948
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.760
in taking notes in your classes. It's just I don't

949
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:36.920
quite understand it. So I did a little work here

950
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.599
on a little bit of like what this I've got,

951
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.239
like the history of chapel services and all and the

952
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.079
evolution of them over time. Now, the purpose of chapel services,

953
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.039
I look for what many would classify. Why do you

954
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.000
have chapel services at a Christian institution? You can tell

955
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.400
me what you think. The first one listed that I

956
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.920
have here is spiritual formation. Chapel services are designed to

957
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.280
foster the spiritual growth of students, providing them with opportunities

958
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.320
for worship, prayer, and reflection. They aim to nurture a

959
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.119
Christ centered worldview and encourage personal faith development. But what

960
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:14.079
is the rest of the school doing. What is all

961
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:18.400
of your courses doing. Aren't the rest of your courses

962
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.360
trying to help you mature in Christ giving you a

963
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:27.159
Christ centered worldview and encouraging personal faith development? Does the

964
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.360
chapel do something different than your classes? Now, someone say, well,

965
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:33.599
the classes are academic, But well, if you're telling me

966
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.599
to come to chapel and have a physical Bible and

967
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.519
a pencil or a pen and a notebook and take

968
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.840
notes in a roundabout way doing the same thing. Aren't

969
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:47.039
the pastors who the speakers speaking? Aren't they going to

970
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.880
give and outline even though you say, well, it's not

971
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.639
as in depth, is it not? In reality? Kind of

972
00:53:53.679 --> 00:54:00.960
the same thing. Community building chapel services are a unifying

973
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.800
element within Christian colleges. Bringing together students, faculty, and staff

974
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.480
were a shared experience. This fosters a sense of community

975
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:12.320
and belonging among participants. Aren't they already together in class?

976
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.719
Aren't they already together in the in the dining room.

977
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.559
Aren't they already together in the student whatever it is

978
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:23.400
student union building? Aren't they already together in other activities?

979
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:25.719
Do they have to come to chapel night? Well, now

980
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:29.360
now we're together and even here, and when they talk

981
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.519
about this, they're going to talk about their groups and

982
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:33.800
they're going to sit in groups on certain days, so

983
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.679
that you're sitting with your friends. Well, you're already hanging

984
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.000
out with your friends. Don't you live in a dormitory

985
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.440
with all kinds of other people? Don't you have like

986
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.679
I don't understand how so so far spiritual formation. I

987
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.719
don't see how Chapel's going to add to the spiritual

988
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:50.639
formation already going on. Community building. I don't see how

989
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.800
it's going to add any more community building to already

990
00:54:52.800 --> 00:55:00.639
what's going on. Third, Educational and integration. Educational integration services

991
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:06.079
often compliment the academic curriculum by integrating theological teachings, ethical reflections,

992
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.239
and discussions on Christian living. They can provide practical applications

993
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:14.760
of biblical principles being taught in the classroom. Now, I

994
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:18.599
guess you could do this. The whoever's speaking in chapel

995
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.239
could be like, okay, we're in the second week in

996
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:25.320
how many here are taking this class? Or because you know,

997
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.199
like you know all the classes pretty much. I don't

998
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:29.559
know how you could do it, but you could take

999
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.760
something from one of the classes and say, now here's

1000
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:34.840
a practical application from what you're learning. I guess if

1001
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.840
you could do that, you take the curriculum, you look

1002
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:39.840
at everyone's curriculum and say, okay, I'm going to take

1003
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:41.800
a practical lesson from that. I'm going to make a

1004
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.159
practical lesson from that. I guess you could do that.

1005
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.480
But I think in many cases the professors are already

1006
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:56.639
doing that right, So, I know, educational integration, but it

1007
00:55:56.719 --> 00:56:02.519
sounds like it's still educational. You're gonna I don't know next.

1008
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:08.000
Exposure to diverse perspectives. Guest speakers from various Christian traditions,

1009
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.079
backgrounds and ministries are often invited to speak. This exposes

1010
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:15.360
students to a wide range of perspectives and encourages broader

1011
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.639
understanding within the Christian faith. I completely reject that you're

1012
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.320
not going to get a wide range of perspectives because

1013
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.559
typically no school is going to bring in someone to

1014
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.360
speak in chapel who doesn't agree with the core teachings

1015
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.599
of that university already. They're simply going to reinforce the

1016
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:31.559
teachings that are already there. They're not going to be

1017
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:35.639
challenging or offering a unique perspective, at least I don't

1018
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:41.039
think so. Encouraging Christian service and mission, chunpel services frequently

1019
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:45.199
highlight themes of service, missions and social justice, motivating students

1020
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:48.039
to engage in community service and consider their roles in

1021
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.079
the broader mission of the church. I don't know about that.

1022
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.639
Worship and devotion chapel services provide a regular space for

1023
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.880
worship and devotion, often featuring music, scripture, reading, sermons, and

1024
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.639
other forms of worship. They often break from the academic

1025
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:05.119
routine and a time of dedicated spiritual focus. Okay, maybe

1026
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.239
I think you would have to really structure it in

1027
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.119
a much more like what could we do and to

1028
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.280
make this as a spiritual experience. I hate to say experiential,

1029
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:19.559
because again, the highest form of worship is the teaching

1030
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:23.480
of God's word. That okay, maybe you could do something

1031
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:25.840
with that one. And then they just go on and

1032
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:28.679
say chapel remains a significant aspect of the identity and

1033
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.000
mission of Christian universities and Bible colleges, continuing to adapt

1034
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.199
to meet the spiritual needs of each new generation of students.

1035
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:42.880
I don't know, I don't know, I don't well, let's

1036
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:44.239
listen to a little bit of this and we'll just

1037
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.360
wrap it up because I don't know what else to say.

1038
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:48.719
I want you to hear what's going on now. Now

1039
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.000
here's what I want you to do again. I want

1040
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.760
you to follow every one of these schools on the

1041
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.639
sermon's two point oh Ambassador College a Southwestern theological seminary.

1042
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.079
I can't remember all of them. I think Puritan Reforms

1043
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:05.000
seminaries on there. Bob Jones University. You find the school

1044
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.119
and follow them. Most of what you're going to hear

1045
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:12.480
is chapel services. That's mostly what you're going to hear. Now,

1046
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.559
you listen to those chapel services and then you formulate

1047
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:18.480
in your mind how radically different than that would be

1048
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:19.480
from class.

1049
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.239
Thank you, doctor Crockett. I was really excited when I

1050
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.800
got the invitation to speak in chapel, but I was

1051
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.960
definitely like freaking out because.

1052
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:37.000
It was a very short notice.

1053
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:38.800
So if you all would just bear with me, I'm

1054
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:41.480
just gonna pretend it's like just me and these gentlemen.

1055
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:45.719
When we announced in student Leadership that we were doing

1056
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:50.320
John ten ten for the Student Verse, I was so excited.

1057
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.639
That verse is such an encouragement to me. The fact

1058
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:57.239
that God not only gives life, but gives life abundantly

1059
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.559
is so incredible. It's such an incredible truth, and the

1060
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.320
Word of God is alive. And I think that's something

1061
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:06.440
that I tend to forget when I come in every

1062
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.679
day and I get to hear it over and over again,

1063
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:12.239
I can tend to become numb to things that are

1064
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:18.199
incredible and amazing. This summer, I actually wasn't in a

1065
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:20.760
Christian environment like I typically am with camp and everything.

1066
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.920
I worked as a waitress and I was interning at

1067
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:27.480
a police department, both very secular environments, and I just

1068
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:31.119
realized how much I craved being with a body of

1069
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:35.840
believers and how much the word can change you when

1070
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:40.679
you're under it. Journaling is something that was so important.

1071
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.880
For Okay, once again, I just I'm not a fan

1072
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.800
of oh Man. I was in the secular environment. I

1073
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:50.639
couldn't wait to get back to around oh nothing but

1074
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.719
Christians I'm not. I just don't under it's the world

1075
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.239
that's sick. It's the world that supposedly needs to we

1076
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.159
need to be there. I don't understand it. I don't

1077
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.920
nderstand don't understan like I understand that's a common refrain

1078
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:06.760
within Christians that they need to be around Christians. I

1079
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.880
always found it more interesting to be around lost people

1080
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.800
and have cool, interesting conversations, where Christians is typically never

1081
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.559
ending debate and argument because you can't agree on anything.

1082
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.360
But that's my own that's my own take. But okay,

1083
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:23.079
but now this is interesting. So they're at the first Chapel,

1084
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.679
we haven't really done much. We've got a little bit

1085
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:29.679
of information, we've recited the Creed and now, okay, journaling.

1086
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:35.519
If you've been a Christian, I mean, I'm assuming if

1087
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:37.639
you're going to a Christian university, you came from some

1088
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:43.039
church background. Right. What Christian who's ever gone to church

1089
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.000
for more than five minutes don't know about journaling or

1090
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:50.400
a notebook like I mean, I mean to me, I mean,

1091
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.880
nobody had to say the word journaling. I became a

1092
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:59.159
Christian about a notebook, Like, nobody had to say you

1093
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:01.519
need a notebook. I bought a notebook because I know

1094
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.119
when they're preaching, they're making points, so I'm assuming they

1095
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:06.239
want me to write them down so that I can

1096
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.719
remember them. Nobody had to tell me to take notes.

1097
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.320
It was like they're giving a presentation. I didn't know.

1098
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:13.199
Maybe I didn't know if it was called a sermon,

1099
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.920
but they're they're preaching, they're opening a book, they're reading,

1100
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:18.880
they're giving me references, they're giving cross references, and in

1101
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:21.599
many cases they're giving me three points or four points.

1102
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.599
So nobody had to tell me. I immediately bought a

1103
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.360
notebook so I could write down sermon notes. Nobody had

1104
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:28.880
to tell me that, oh wait, I'm gonna read and

1105
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.320
study my Bible. Well, you can't really study unless you're write.

1106
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:34.039
You gotta write, You got you gotta process, you gotta think. Okay,

1107
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:36.760
all right, so all right, then I would buy Christian books. Well,

1108
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:38.079
if I got a Christian book, I need to be

1109
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:40.000
taking notes on what I'm reading. Then I would listen

1110
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.039
to Christian radio and here a messages. Well I gotta

1111
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:46.039
take notes. So you come to university and you got

1112
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.360
to be talked about journaling, and I don't unders like

1113
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:54.440
who doesn't have a notebook? Is anyone? Was anyone a

1114
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.920
Christian for any length the time? It didn't possess a notebook.

1115
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.599
It didn't own a notebook and take notes. Now, I

1116
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:03.039
guess now may maybe at night, now that I think

1117
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.360
about it, I get I guess now I could be wrong.

1118
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.719
I could be wrong, but I think typically it's maybe

1119
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:10.800
Is it typically women who take notes and it's the

1120
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:12.400
men who don't. I don't know. Let's see what she

1121
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:13.760
has to say about journally.

1122
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.440
For me, when I started as a freshman, you forget

1123
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:21.239
a lot of your freshman year. Like I was sitting

1124
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.079
here looking at all the freshmen coming in, I was like, wow,

1125
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:27.519
like I forgot the excitement, and you forget a lot

1126
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.960
of the memories like I was just looking at you know,

1127
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:33.079
you forget how many freshmen you meet and just like

1128
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.079
the random people, and you also forget some of the

1129
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.000
lessons you get to learn. Coming in a whole new

1130
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:42.360
place and environment and looking back at old journals, old

1131
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:46.480
times that I interacted with the word was just such

1132
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:51.199
an encouragement. I've been going through the Pentateuke and the

1133
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.360
Israelites are so much like us a lot of times,

1134
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:56.360
and you look at them and you're like, you saw

1135
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.000
God part the Red Sea and you saw him, you know,

1136
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.000
come down from the mountain and you saw what you provide.

1137
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.280
And how do you forget who God is? And yet

1138
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:08.039
I come into chapel and I forget, like how incredible

1139
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:09.880
the word is and how it can affect me. And

1140
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.840
I get to look at the evidence I've written down

1141
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.039
of the words that have been brought to mine, small

1142
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:19.719
things like like even the songs that we sing. It's such.

1143
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:25.360
Now, that's an interesting argument for journaling, so that you

1144
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:30.880
can look back at your journals. I am curious how

1145
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.519
many people who keep journals or notebooks look back.

1146
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:35.119
To me.

1147
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.599
It's not about looking back to me. The reason you

1148
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:42.639
have a journal is you see more when you write more,

1149
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:47.000
you understand more when you I take your I keep.

1150
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.800
I write not to look back later, but I write

1151
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:52.840
so that I can see in the present. It's not

1152
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.039
about so in the future I can look back and

1153
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:58.280
so that in the present I can see. Your pencil

1154
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:03.639
is your greatest a right. The way to see is

1155
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:06.280
through the pencil, not through your physical eye, but through

1156
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:08.559
the pencil. Because you have to take and when you write,

1157
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.199
you have to your brain has to process. You have

1158
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:14.880
to think. So you right to remember, you're right to see,

1159
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.360
your right to understand, your right to process. I don't

1160
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.199
think you write so that you can look back in

1161
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.199
your journal. I mean, what are you gonna do look

1162
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:25.039
back and go, oh, tonight, I'm gonna read my journal

1163
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:29.159
from you know, three years ago. I just I don't.

1164
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.280
I don't think that that's necessarily the practical reason. You're

1165
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:34.840
right for the present benefit. You don't write so that

1166
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:37.079
you can look back. It may be fun to look

1167
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:39.280
back sometimes and go what in the world was sinking?

1168
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:41.360
Sometimes I will see an old notebook and look through

1169
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:44.840
it and go, what in the world was wrong with me, okay,

1170
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:47.360
but I was seeing what I was seeing at the time,

1171
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:49.280
and now I see what I see at the time.

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So I guess it's interesting to see the development over time.

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01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:52.719
I don't know.

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01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:57.039
Much encouragement to come in and be having like a

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01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.840
difficult day and we're singing still mysel so and I

1176
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:02.719
will write that down and journ all that down and

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01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:04.840
be like, wow, God, like you know, I needed that

1178
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:09.800
song or you know. A couple Bible conferences ago, we

1179
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.079
went through Ecclesiastes, and I remember this speaker wrote in

1180
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:17.159
Ecclesiastes three eleven. He spoke specifically that God makes all

1181
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:20.360
things beautiful in their time. And I had just received

1182
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.719
some really difficult family news and I was really grieving,

1183
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:26.920
and I was just interacting with the scriptures like God,

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01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.079
I don't understand how you do this. And I remember

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01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:32.039
looking back at that and be like, wow, God has

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01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:34.239
made all things beautiful in its time and it's so e.

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01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:36.800
Oh boy.

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01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:48.400
His Ecclesiastes three eleven. Again, this is this very devotional

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01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.840
minded approach to scripture. Someone reads a scripture and you

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01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.960
just immediately apply it to your situation, and God's going

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01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.480
to make all things beautiful. God's going to make all

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01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:01.280
things beautiful. That's why I was said in a church

1193
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.880
where there were two kids who watched their mother. Who

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01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:06.920
these kids were, and I don't think there were even

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01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:08.960
ten years of age. There were two brothers and they

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01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.599
watched their mother die of cancer. They made all He

1197
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:16.400
made all things beautiful. Now could they have a grabbed

1198
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:19.599
onto Ecclesiastes? Now someone says, well in heaven, okay, well,

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01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:22.159
then make sure you clarify that. And is that even

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01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:26.599
the point of what Solomon is saying in Ecclesiastes. There's

1201
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:28.719
so much But again there's this always like just the

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01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:32.480
scriptures speaks to me. The scripture speaks to me. The

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01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:36.000
scripture speaks to me. This scripture may not be about

1204
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:39.679
we've got to be careful how we apply things, all right, okay,

1205
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.119
but all right, so I'm trying to get I'm trying

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01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:43.519
to get where they're going here.

1207
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.800
Encouraging to see that. And just as the Israelites had

1208
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.760
to put up memorials of God's faithfulness, I think joenerally

1209
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.400
is such a unique experience of being able to remember

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01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.639
how faithful God is because we are so forgetful.

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01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.039
Okay, now that I've heard that, that's a pretty good one.

1212
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.719
Israel set up memorial stones so they could remember, and

1213
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:08.639
that in our journal we can write things down so

1214
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.360
we can remember. Okay, I think again, I still think

1215
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.119
the process of journaling is for the present, not to

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01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.519
look back. It's to see now, to think now, to

1217
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.719
process now. But okay, it's a different approach, but that's

1218
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:25.320
okay again. I just find it interesting at a Christian

1219
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:27.400
university you have to talk about journaling because I would

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01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.159
think any of these kids have gone to church for

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01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.880
five seconds knows about the importance. I mean, what was

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01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.000
the youth group doing. Didn't you teach them about taking

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01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:37.079
notes and how to take sermon notes and how to

1224
01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:41.119
do exegetical studies and Bible study methods and church summary

1225
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:46.280
or chapter summary method, topical method, theyll thematic method, biographical method.

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01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:47.679
I mean, what in the world were they doing in

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01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:48.480
youth group.

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01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:51.800
As people?

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01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.480
Awesome, thank you so much, Marina. The ushers are going

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01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.679
to come at this time and give everyone a journal.

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01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.639
And this is again something I did as a student

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01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:07.639
because I didn't have a phone back then. But it's

1233
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:10.480
been so amazing to go back through and look at

1234
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:15.480
sermons that I heard as a student at Morningside, student

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01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:20.119
lessons that I learned at Bible conferences here at BJU,

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01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.680
And so we are going to encourage all of our

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01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:27.800
students to bring a paper Bible Tuesday and Wednesday when

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01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:32.560
we'll have preaching guest preachers coming in. So on Tuesday,

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01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:35.359
that's when we're going to have pastors from town or

1240
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.199
pastors from out of state come in and preach to us.

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01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:42.239
And then also on Wednesday, when we'll be going through

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01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.439
the Book of Ecclesiastes in depth. And this will be

1243
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.560
an opportunity for us to take out our journal, take

1244
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:51.600
out a paper Bible. If you forget your paper Bible,

1245
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:54.119
we will have some available in the lobby as you

1246
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:58.199
come in. I didn't realize how often I forget a

1247
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.760
paper Bible when I go to church because I always

1248
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:02.800
had an office at church, so I would just go

1249
01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:05.720
to my office and pick up my preaching Bible. So

1250
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:08.199
now even when I go to church at Morningside, I

1251
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:11.359
have to often go to Loss and Bound and find

1252
01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:12.039
a pay per Bible.

1253
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:16.680
Because I do like the idea of encouraging a physical Bible.

1254
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:19.399
I still am very much a supporter of the concept

1255
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:23.479
I think we look at mobile devices, phones, tablets fifty

1256
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.800
hours a day. I know that's hyperbole, and so I

1257
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:29.760
think whenever it comes to time to read or study,

1258
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:33.239
I will use the blue Letter Bible app to look

1259
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.640
up Hebrew, Greek, that kind of thing, or maybe do

1260
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.399
some kind of cross reference. But I try to set

1261
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.760
that to the side and then describe a notebook, a

1262
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:45.119
physical notebook, physical pencil, physical bible, because I still want

1263
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.479
it to feel unique. I still want it to feel different. Now,

1264
01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:50.920
there was a day picking up a physical Bible was

1265
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:53.279
no different than picking up a physical book, and I

1266
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:56.840
was always touching physical books. But in our culture today,

1267
01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:00.760
now what can really make it counter cultural and unique

1268
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:05.039
is it's a physical bible, physical notebook, physical pencil or

1269
01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:07.359
pen And I think then we can try to at

1270
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:11.319
least preserve, Hey, we're doing something different than what we

1271
01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:13.960
typically do. So I'm glad they're encouraging.

1272
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:18.119
That I've forgotten my paper Bible. So we're going to

1273
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:22.600
encourage us to focus. Not that this is a phone

1274
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:24.760
and free zone, but when we come to the preaching

1275
01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:27.680
of God's word, that we take out a paper bible,

1276
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.920
a journal, and I would encourage you to write down

1277
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:35.680
at least one thing that you learned every Tuesday, every

1278
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:39.319
Wednesday in chapel. Maybe it's a slide, maybe it's just

1279
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:41.680
something that the Holy Spirit's using in your own heart

1280
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:44.560
to write down the thought, write down the sermon outline,

1281
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.960
and then in Thursday, on Thursday when we have d group,

1282
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.119
this is an opportunity where your gl will go around

1283
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.000
and ask everybody to pull out your journal and just

1284
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:56.680
share something that you learned this week in chapel.

1285
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.439
So now I do love the idea that in the

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01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:02.640
group you'll talk about what you learned in chapel. I

1287
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:03.039
do love that.

1288
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:03.199
Now.

1289
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:05.960
At the same time, again, it's filling a somewhat mandatory.

1290
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.439
You're being put on the spot. You must show up

1291
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:12.399
and basically now you must take notes, so that you're

1292
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:14.640
going to be checked. Possibly. Now I'm not saying that

1293
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:17.600
there's any consequences if you don't take any notes, but

1294
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:19.439
you're going to feel really awkward if they go around

1295
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:21.319
the room, Hey what did you learn? I didn't learn

1296
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.039
anything in chapel. I didn't take any notes because I

1297
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:24.760
think the whole thing is stupid. Okay, well, obviously you're

1298
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:26.079
not going to be able to do that, so I

1299
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.680
think it kind of forces conformity, right, couldntform or be

1300
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.520
cast out? Kind of idea. Again, I'm not a fan

1301
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:36.479
of that, but okay, so.

1302
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:41.000
We hope that this is an investment that will be

1303
01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:43.880
worth it as you look back, that you'll have something

1304
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:46.199
written down of what God was doing in your heart.

1305
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:50.319
Any other thoughts, Pastor jerryl about paper bibles or journals.

1306
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:52.600
I think that sounds great. I'm excited to do this

1307
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:54.880
with you if I can remember to bring my Bible.

1308
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.000
But this will be great, awesome, all right, at this time,

1309
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:02.159
I'm okay, we'll stop there.

1310
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.920
That's what's going on. School's in the air. I want

1311
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:09.520
you monitoring, listening to what's going on in Christian universities.

1312
01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:13.000
It's just kind of I mean, they broadcasted it, they

1313
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.319
posted it, they posted it, so they I mean, you know,

1314
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.600
I don't know, I don't really know what we kind

1315
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:22.239
of got from that, but we got the creed. So

1316
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:24.960
you now know the Bob Jones University Creed. You know that.

1317
01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:28.760
All right? You can say what you think about that. Again,

1318
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:31.640
I think the Apostles creed is just the apostles. Creed

1319
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.159
connects you to church history, connects you to the history

1320
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.000
of the of two thousand years of Christian history, the

1321
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:40.159
Apostles creed has been used and used and used and

1322
01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:42.039
used and used. So to me, I would want to

1323
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:44.640
use a creed that connects us to the broader history

1324
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:47.239
of christiandom than one that I think was. I think

1325
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.840
the Bob Jones University creed was created somewhere in the

1326
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:53.079
twentieth century. I don't know the exact year, and it

1327
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.239
just seems like a more modern one. So I like

1328
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.920
the connection to history because well because as well. Then yeah,

1329
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.640
and I think the Apostles is trinitarian. I don't know.

1330
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:07.840
I think there's some things there, but there you go.

1331
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:12.920
I don't really journaling great. I mean again, I'm somewhat

1332
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:17.000
confused by that. Like I mean, if you go to church,

1333
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:22.680
I mean, who goes to church without a notebook? I like,

1334
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:24.680
if I'm at a church and I look around and

1335
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:27.119
people don't have a notebook or a Bible, I am

1336
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:31.399
utterly completely baffled and confused. I am, and I've called

1337
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.079
out with Before I became a pastor, I called out

1338
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:36.319
people on that. In fact, I was supposed to become

1339
01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:40.640
the associate pastor at a church in Bellevue, Nebraska, and

1340
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:44.359
on pastor appreciation night, I was supposed to give like

1341
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:46.680
a little fifteen minute message and where you're supposed to

1342
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:48.319
say where the pastor is great? And I read and

1343
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.840
I follow a template and I said, forget the template. Hey,

1344
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:54.159
you know what you will? Guys want pastor appreciation by

1345
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.000
going downstairs and having a cake and saying some nice things.

1346
01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:59.760
That's all ridiculous. If you really want to appreciate the pastor,

1347
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.960
here's a novel idea. Show up on time for church

1348
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:05.760
and walk in here with a Bible and notebook. Because

1349
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:08.359
many of you walk in here with no Bible, no notebook,

1350
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:11.279
You walk up late, you show no appreciation to the pastor,

1351
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:15.159
no respect to God's word, and it's absolutely ridiculous. Well,

1352
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.800
the church did not appreciate that, and my chance to

1353
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:22.760
be hired as the associated pastor was over, and my

1354
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:25.920
entire life took a turn because I went off. I'm like,

1355
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:29.720
we're gonna go play little oopastor appreciation because we're gonna

1356
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.880
have a little cake and a little pot luck. It's

1357
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.560
just ridiculous. It's surface if you really want to appreciate.

1358
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:38.960
And because where my classroom was on Sunday mornings, I

1359
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.479
taught the singles, and there was windows that overlooked the

1360
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:43.720
parking lot, so I would see everyone walking in a

1361
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:45.359
lot of times the singles showed up late. So I

1362
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:48.119
was sitting there just watching people walk in no bible,

1363
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:50.560
no notebook. And I was like, what is even the

1364
01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.119
point you're coming to church? Who comes to church without

1365
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:56.239
a Bible in a notebook? Someone? Please tell me why.

1366
01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.840
It's like going to I'm gonna go play basketball, but

1367
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:01.560
nobody's gonna bring a basket. I'm gonna go play football,

1368
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:03.439
No one's gonna bring a football. You go to church,

1369
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:04.920
you have a Bible and a notebook?

1370
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:05.199
Why?

1371
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:07.640
Because you're there to hear the preaching of God's word.

1372
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:10.680
And if God's words being preached is important, You're gonna

1373
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:13.600
want to write it down so that there's a possibility

1374
01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:21.560
you may remember it more than five minutes after church. Okay.

1375
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.760
And when early on in my church, we gave all

1376
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.000
the kids a little notebook. We called it FBI notebook,

1377
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:31.760
Faithful Bible Investigators FBI Notebooks. We gave out to all

1378
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:34.880
the kids and we said, and I told the parents,

1379
01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:37.560
this is not about forcing them, this is not about

1380
01:15:37.560 --> 01:15:40.199
punishing them. We just want to encourage them, to teach

1381
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:42.119
them how to use a notebook and how to take

1382
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.119
sermon notes. That doesn't they can do it all kinds.

1383
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:47.439
They can be creative. Let them come up with their

1384
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:49.319
own way that they just get a couple of the

1385
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:51.520
points down. This is not to be a punishment thing,

1386
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:55.079
a negative thing, a force thing, mandatory thing, but we

1387
01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.840
want to encourage that, Hey, what's being preached is important,

1388
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:00.520
write it down, listen, because I will own help them.

1389
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:02.760
When they go to school or if they go to college,

1390
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:08.279
they're gonna have to take notes. So it's kind of weird. Hey,

1391
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:10.760
I know all those kids are taking notes in their classes,

1392
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:13.000
but you got to encourage them to have a journal

1393
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.840
and take notes in church and chapel service. Like I

1394
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:20.119
don't get it, Like I sometimes Christianity, I'm just I

1395
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:21.880
look at it and I'm like, I'm just so confused.

1396
01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:24.199
Who goes to church without a Bible in a notebook?

1397
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:26.359
Like I don't even know. Nobody even had to tell

1398
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:28.600
me that. And it's not And I'm not saying that

1399
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.600
because I'm spiritual has nothing to do about being spiritual.

1400
01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:34.640
There are people who are more spiritual and more godly

1401
01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:37.239
who don't bring a Bible and don't bring a notebook.

1402
01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:39.720
Bringing in a Bible in a notebook does not guarantee

1403
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.119
you'll be spiritual or godly. It just means you're going

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to be well informed and you're trying to learn, and

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you're trying to study. It doesn't mean you're going to

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be more godly. It just may means you become more knowledgeable.

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More knowledgeable does not eat equal more godly. Let's make

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that very clear. There are people who are not very

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knowledgeable but are more godly than I've ever been in

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my entire life. Right by no means am I saying

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that makes me more spiritual in any way, shape or form.

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I just don't understand. You're a university. You got to

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try to get the kids to bring a journal and

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write something down like I don't understand that. But then

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they're mandatorially there. They're made to be there, so then

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maybe they don't If they don't want to be there,

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then they don't want to bring a Bible or not.

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But now you got to bring a Bible and a

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notebook and take notes and be prepared in your group

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to be asked what you learned. But that's chapel service.

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What do you think about chapel services on Christian universities. Again,

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someone's going to misconstrue this. It's not a criticism of

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Bob Jones University. It's not Christian universities everywhere do this.

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I'm just using their discussion since it was in my feed,

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as an opportunity for us to discuss the broader topic

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of chapel services creeds journaling. Right, Bob Jones University is

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not the focus here. Bob Jones University is not the

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focus here. Bob Jones University is not the focus here.

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Because someone's going to get ticked off at me. And

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I'm not criticizing. They can do their school anyway they want.

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It's their school. I'm just looking at it from a

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theological perspective about mandatory chapel services, chapel services in general.

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What should they be for, what's the benefit of them,

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what's the use of them, How should this work?

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What?

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That's all I'm discussing. All right, thanks for listening everyone,

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have a great day. God bless