America: A Christian Nation?

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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast

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making Theology Central. Are we there
yet? Are we there yet? Do

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you not like when someone's sitting in
the backseat and they keep asking you,

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are we there yet? Are we
there yet? Now, in twenty twenty

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four, just look on your phone. You can tell where we are.

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You know how far we are?
Like, you don't need to ask.

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Okay. But back in the olden
days, when you were sitting in the

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backseat, you didn't have anything other
than maybe if you brought you know,

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I don't know, a book,
okay. You didn't really have a lot

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to choose from. But sitting in
the backseat you had one of those paper

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maps. I guess you could kind
of like, hey, where are we

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at? Okay? Oh I think
we're this far? Now you could try

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to figure it out on a paper
map. Okay. Does anyone even remember

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using a paper map? Okay?
And how you would like take the wrong

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turn constantly and end up blocks Okay. So in twenty twenty four, I

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guess are we there yet? It
doesn't really work, but I guess maybe

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in podcasting it does. So are
we there yet? And where is the

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there that we're trying to get to. I don't know. I don't know.

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Maybe I should start by saying,
hey, does anyone know how to

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get to the end? Does anyone
know where we are? I don't know.

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I'm completely lost at this moment.
But I say all of that,

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I do know this, I do
know this. I can be dogmatic about

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the following. I can be dogmatic
that it is Tuesday, July the sixteenth,

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twenty twenty four, and that it
is currently two thirty pm correct time

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or Central time. It is,
I say, and I'm coming to you

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live. I know where I'm coming
to you live from the Theology Central Studio

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located right here in Apbling, Texas. So I know it's Tuesday. I

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know it's July the sixteenth, twenty
twenty four. I know it's two thirty

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one pm correct time or Central time. And I do know that I'm coming

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to you live from the Theology Central
Studio, and I do know that it's

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located right here in Applene, Texas. That's what I do know. Outside

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of that, I am completely lost. I am now. I am saved.

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Okay, I'm not speaking of my
salvation. I am saved because of

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what Christ has did not because of
anything I do. So I'm not lost

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in that way, but in another
way, I'm completely lost. Okay,

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yeah, you're going, what is
going on with you? You're all over

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the place. Come on, focus, focus, focus, pay attention.

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Okay, you're right, I need
to focus. But to be honest,

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I don't want to focus. I
don't want to focus. I want to

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be done, ladies and gentlemen,
I don't want to be doing this.

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All right, here's the situation.
We all know that on Saturday, a

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very tragic event occurred. Someone attempted
to assassinate Donald Trump. Donald Trump.

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The bullet in a sense, just
nicked his ear. He's okay, fine,

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he's recovering. He has a bandage
on his ear. The last video,

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last video I saw, I think
it was from the Republican Convention.

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So he's doing okay. He's recovering, at least physically. I don't know

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how the assassination attempt may have impacted
him emotionally or mentally, but he's okay,

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at least physically. Tragically, another
individual, his first name is Corey.

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He passed away and died at the
Trump rally when he was hit by

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bullets from the shooter. Obviously,
the shooter was killed as well, and

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two other individuals were seriously injured or
wounded. So it's been a very tragic

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situation that's brought up lots of emotions, lots of thoughts, and lots of

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just feelings and lots of other things. Now, what I have decided to

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do is I'm monitoring what's going on
within the Christian world. I'm not focusing

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on how the you know, the
liberal media or the conservative I'm not worried

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how the world is approaching it and
what they think and what they're predicting.

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I'm kind of ignoring that. I
want to know how the church is responding,

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what the church is thinking, what
the church is saying, what the

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church is feeling. And I just
say the church in a general way.

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I'm referring to Christians. I'm referring
to Christian ministries, Christian podcasts, and

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churches and what's being said inside churches. And primarily, I am focusing primarily

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on what we are finding on the
Sermons two point oh app or the beta

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dot sermonadio dot com website, because
that's been our focus of twenty twenty four,

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listening and utilizing that amazing tool that
we have been given in the Sermon's

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two point oh app and the Sermonadio
website, because there are all thousands upon

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thousands of sermons added every single week. It's a never ending supply of spiritual

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food. Sometimes we agree, sometimes
we may disagree, but we constantly find

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things to keep us thinking and being
challenged. So I've been kind of doing

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that and you've heard in in fact, we've kind of created a series now

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trying to kind of just record all
of what we're hearing, and a lot

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of it has been very frustrating.
Some of it's been disturbing, some of

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it's been maddening, discouraging, and
I look, I'm just gonna be honest,

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some of it's been almost anger inducing. Just some crazy, crazy stuff

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out there, just insane stuff.
So as we've been kind of monitoring there,

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or I have, and if you've
been listening to me with then you're

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monitoring. Hopefully you're monitoring out of
your own I did receive an email from

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someone where he sent me a link
to a response that's on sermon Audio.

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I think he said something like you
may like this one, and I'm like,

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okay, so I do want to
review that one at some point.

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It's only like eight or nine minutes. The audio is not very good,

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but I definitely want to. I
think he has his AC unit in the

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background. Okay, just a pro
tip. As much as you want the

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AC on, we have to turn
it off, okay, because it messes

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up the recording. All right,
But I digress there. We will review

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that. But in the midst of
all of this, we kind of stumbled

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into something. Again my fault.
I know, if I want to,

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you know, if I want to
get to it the end of this,

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I've got to stay focused, right, But I keep just trying to keep

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up with everything. So as we
know, I've been monitoring the sermon's two

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point er app and inside the under
the feed tab, I saw a sermon

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that was posted fifteen hours ago entitled
God Bless America Again, God Bless America

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Again Part one and part two.
Everyone needs to go find it and listen

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to both parts. It's from A
Carl Morton and again. The name of

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the church. Let me look here
I always forget is Barry Baptist Church b

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E. R. R. Y
Bury Baptist Church. I look at the

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numbers for this is only like nine
people have listened. Let's get that number

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one way way way, way way
up. All right, let's download that.

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Let's listen to it, ladies and
gentlemen, Let's get those numbers,

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uh, because we want, we
definitely want to be listening to these and

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paying attention to what we are hearing. And I want you to go listen

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to them without my commentary, without
my analysis, without my critique, without

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my review, all right, because
then maybe it'll give you a different perspective

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other than hearing me off for mine. I want you to get the most

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out of this. Now. When
I saw God Bless America again, I'm

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just gonna be honest with you.
I saw it in my feed posted fifteen

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hours ago. I was immediately like, well, I know this is going

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to be dealing with the Trump situation
and the Trump shooting and the assassination attempt,

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and maybe the Republican Convention and maybe
just a lot of politics, because

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I'm constantly warning of everyone of the
political hijacked church. So I'm like,

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Okay, I need to review it. But then I noticed, what's part

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two? I gotta go back to
part one. Well, we found out

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that part one was preached like June
June the thirtieth. I think may I

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said, you'll the thirtieth last one. That would make no sense June the

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thirtieth, prior obviously to the shooting, and prior obviously to the fourth of

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July. So I'm like, okay, Well, if we can get part

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one reviewed, then we can get
to part two, and then maybe part

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two we'll get us right back on
track to the shooting. Well. Part

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one was a little bit frustrating because
it made the common claim that America is

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a Christian nation. It is a
Christian nation, and we talked a little

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bit and and the last episode as
we were reviewing, this is America a

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Christian nation. So I provided a
little bit of I think I have some

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of the things I have here about
this. Again, the claim that America

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is a Christian nation is a complex
and debated topic. While the United States

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has a significant Christian population and foundation, it is important to recognize that America

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as a nation is not a ficially
a Christian nation in terms of its governmental

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structure religious pluralism. The United States
was founded on the principle of religious freedom,

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as reflected in the First Amendment of
the Constitution, which prohibits the establishment

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of a state religion. This ensures
the people of all faiths or of no

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faith, have the right to practice
their beliefs without interference from the government.

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Secular government. The US government operates
as a secular entity, meaning it does

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not endorse, promote any specific religion. The separation of church and state is

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a foundational principle to prevent religious discrimination
and to ensure equality for all citizens,

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regardless of their religious beliefs. Diversity
a diverse religious landscape. The United States

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is a diverse country, with people
practicing various religions, including Christianity, Islam,

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Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and
others. That diversity of beliefs and

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values contribute to the country's rich tapestry
that demonstrates that America is not exclusively a

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Christian nation. Obviously, the historical
context, well, Christianity has played a

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significant role in shaping American history and
culture. The founding fathers intentionally established a

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secular form of government to prevent the
pitfalls of religious persecution and to ensure the

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freedom of conscience for all citizens.
No, I went through that relatively quick,

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but so we kind of challenged that. Well, then you know,

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okay, we finished that episode.
It went way too long. I wasn't

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super happy with it. I'm like, so what do I do? Now?

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What do I do? Now?
Do I do I jump over to

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part two? Do I do I
review what the do I look at the

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thing that was sent to me in
the email that someone sent me? Do

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I do I look at what he
sent me? And like, let's review

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this now? Well, then I
feel like I'm kind of leaving this not

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really finished, even though I told
everyone to go listen. So what do

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I do? So I was here
in the studio and I just hit play

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and I started listening to a little
bit more, and I'm like, well,

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you know what, let's let's let's
just do a little bit more work

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on part one. I skipped some
I have it queued up once again.

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This is going to turn back.
Basically, their entire argument in this sermon

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is America is a Christian nation,
and all of the arguments that are being

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utilized, all of the arguments,
all of the quotes, it appears,

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is coming from a book written by
Pastor Robert Jeffers a first Baptist church in

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Dallas, Texas. I don't remember
the name of the book that he's supposedly

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quoting. I need to go back
and see if we can find the name

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of the book. I think he
gives the name at the very beginning of

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this. If someone can go back
and grab the name of the book that

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he's quoting from, it would be
good to look up some critiques, analysis

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and reviews of the book, because
there may because sometimes pastors will take some

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book and just read it and almost
as if it's dogmatic, and everyone in

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the pew will say amen to it. And then you do fifteen minutes of

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research and you'll be like, this
book is filled with historic and accuracies,

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misquotes, misrepresentation, and there'll be
a million problems with it. You try

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to tell Christians that, and they'll
get mad at you. I'm like,

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No, that book that your pastor
was quoting for almost complete trash. Now

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in this case, I don't know
if that's the case, but I'm saying,

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sometimes that really bothers me. That
really bothers me. And the first

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time, the first time I ever
learned this, and I'll never forget the

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absolute humiliation. If we were in
a car today and we drove into Bellevue,

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Nebraska, I could take you to
the apartment complex where I realized I'm

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never trusting another Christian book as long
as I live. I mean, I

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was so ticked off, all right. So, for some weird reason,

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the entire time I lived in Nebraska
and a little bit when I first moved

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here back to Texas. When I
lived in Nebraska, Mormon missionaries came to

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my door. It fell like on
a regular and consistent basis, and I

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got pretty good at allowing them to
speak, being very respectful, listening to

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them, and then I would respond
to them with questions, right, not

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arguments or debates, but trying to
question what about this, and what about

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this? And what about this?
And what about this? In many cases

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trying to lead them to a like
well, lead them almost I hate to

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say a trap, but I was
kind of using some of my debate when

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I was on the debate team here
in the state of Texas, kind of

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using some of those skills, which
is not always the right way to do

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theology. But I was younger,
and so in some cases I was looking

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to win an argument more than I
was actually trying to care about people.

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I'm just going to be honest with
you, because you know, I'm a

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sinner. And I don't know if
you realize this, I've been sinning my

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whole life and I still do.
Okay, So so I had because they

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kept coming to my door and we
had some good conversations. Now what would

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happen is two would come and then
they would bring more. And there would

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be times that would have you know, six seven people sitting in my living

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room and you know what, like
they would bring like the big guns,

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the people who supposedly knew everything.
And it was some interesting conversations and I

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did appreciate their their passion, their
zeal, their dedication. Also they were

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so good, like if we got
big snow, they would come along and

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just shovel my entire you know,
sidewalk and drive like they were really very

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They're awesome. In fact, in
some cases they actually when I taught Sunday

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school at a church in Bellevue,
Nebraska, and there were times some of

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the Mormon missionaries would come to my
Sunday school class. It was really it

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was really an interesting situation. But
I'll never forget. This may have been

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early on they were gonna come back, and I'm like, okay, I'll

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be ready, I'll be prepared.
So I went to the Christian bookstore and

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I bought a book on Mormonism and
I and I had some really like oh

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this is really going to get them
this and so I said, well,

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what about when Joseph Smith did this
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that's just completely not true. And
I'm like, oh, oh it's no,

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it's just not true. So I
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you're not even going to be honest, right, And so I kind

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of got a little argumentative and high
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like, I've got the facts.
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I think I had to go to
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Omaha to the library or maybe the
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I went. I had to go
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I found out after a lot of
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was borrowing from basically an urban myth
and legend, a made up thing.

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And guess what I had to do. I had to call them Mormon missionary

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back and say, hey, you
remember me, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, we remember you. I
just want you to know I'm very

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sorry. I gave fraudulente information,
complete disrespect to you. I gave disrespect

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to your faith, even though I
believe your faith is fraudulent. I should

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not be spreading lies and misrepresentation.
And I was wrong, and I'm just,

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and I apologize, and I promise
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I will ensure that any questions or
information I share is fact checked better.

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And I was humiliated. I was
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up looking stupid. Now, my
male ego was in the way, but

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the same thing, it was disrespectful. And so I from that point like,

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I don't care what Christian books say. There God, and too many

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times I've seen this, and I
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the same thing happened in the nineteen
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which was supposedly an expose on Satanism. Come to find out he was

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an entire fraud. He was never
all the things he claimed to be not

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true. The same thing happened and
the two thousands there were I believe,

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two brothers claiming that they were brought
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basically brought up under jihad, and
and they hated us and and all and

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made all these claims about their Islamic
background, and they and they started speaking

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in churches, and they became like
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apologetics. They these are the guys
to listen to who talks about Islam.

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Come to find out much of the
story of their past was fraudulent, was

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made up, and it's just like
what And then a lot of times what

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they were saying in church, you
thought they were speaking Arabic, right,

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you thought they were speaking and everybody
in the church is like, look,

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they're using these Arabic terms. Well, those who know Arabic would review,

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review it and go they're not that's
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using that. That's and it's like, how embarrassing. So this has happened

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too many times in Christianity. So
it drives me crazy that when you when

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when listening to Christians either talk about
anything that in many cases DM form is

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just not accurate or it is fraudulent. And I cannot stand that. And

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we have we have we have fallen
into that. So the thing about this,

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we're listening to this sermon where he's
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Well, I don't know, he's
reading from the book. Like everything

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the book says it's just true.
It's he's just giving it the benefit of

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the doubt. It's just true.
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well, it's just basically saying amen, as if everything in the book

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is true. We need to find
the name of the book and maybe we'll

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do some just basic research and find
out that the book is praised for its

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historical accuracy, it's not misrepresenting,
or maybe we'll find out that there's been

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mad major critique of it. So
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Okay, Oh, I'm just getting
a notification about something going on about

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the investigation and the Trump assessination.
I'm not going to read that. That

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sounds like some crazy speculation, but
well we'll get into that in later times.

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Say, I need to stop looking
at my notifications or I'm not gonna

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share anything because that I don't know
if there's anything accurate about it. But

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what I'm saying is in this sermon, he's just he's basically just reading from

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the book by Robert Jeffers and that
that bothers me because there's no like,

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well, he claimed this and I
and I verified this, or I verified

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this, or I verified that or
I verified this. There's no verification in

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some of the cases. Some of
the things he said, he there was

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things left out. He talked about
Benjamin Franklin and George Washington, and then

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in real time I go to AI
and AIS providing WHOA, it's not quite

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that simple. There there's a there's
some debate here, there's there's scholars who

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have different perspectives. Okay, so
if I can find it, and then

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we in some of these reviews,
we've fact checked things and within five seconds

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found out that what was being said
was just absolutely fraudulent. That's that's all

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that drives me crazy. So he's
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nation basically borrowed from a book taken
from a book by Robert Jeffers, which

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I don't know the name of the
book, and I don't know if he

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fact checked the book verified any of
the claims in the book. But let's

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just say there's been some parts of
this that seem to be how can we

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tell it? How can we say
it? The book has a narrative,

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and it's only picking those things that
seem to confirm that narrative, not anything

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that would challenge it. But the
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That's the argument. So I fast
forward this a little bit. Let's just

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jump back in again. Please go
listen to the entire sermon, God Bless

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America again, part one and part
two. I don't know if we'll get

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well, we'll have to get to
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going to address the Trump situation.
And again, some of those responses have

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been filled with again, he's just
misinformation. I can't stand that. Let

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me state it again, whatever issue
Christians are addressing, the foundational principles for

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us are we do not listen,
We put away line, We speak the

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truth, We do not bear false
witness. We don't make wild accusations.

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We don't traffic and suspicion and paranoia
and conspiratorial thinking. We look for facts

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and we and we that's and and
and that's the way we operate. And

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we stay away from gossip and slander
and some of these things. This is

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just like basic stuff. Now in
this particular sermon, he's not engaged in

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a lot of that. He well, he does go he calls liberals.

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I can't remember he had all these
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I don't know, four or five
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You know what I find interesting is
Christians will stand behind the pulpit and use

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derogatory names towards homosexuals, progatory names
towards liberals, derogatory names towards Catholics,

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derogatory names for all kinds of people. But can you imagine if I got

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up there and behind that same pulpit
and use derogatory names about Christians? Mindless,

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uneducated idiots, foolish, believe anything, gullible, naive, can't think

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them some way. They couldn't think
themselves out of the forest if they had

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a map. And I, oh, now you're being mean, Now you're

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being cruel. You don't say that. Oh, but I can talk trash

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about everyone else, and then amazing, you can stand behind the pulpit and

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call everyone else names, but you
don't dare criticize Christians. And that's funny

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the way that we're Oh wait,
no wait, you can criticize those Christians.

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Oh but you can't turn the gun
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mean and cruel and you're supposed to
be loving. Well, you're supposed to

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love your enemy. But I guess
using derogatory names for your enemies is that's

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a cool way of showing love.
It's just such a it's so hypocritical at

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times, that's ridiculous. So he
had some names. I can't remember what

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he called them, liberals, what
else I can't remember. It was this

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little trying to be clever, and
I'm like, great, okay, so

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we can use derogatory names. It's
wonderful. So but now maybe you're all

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into that, maybe you're maybe you're
down with that. I just if you're

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down with it, then just be
consistent. If people can call if you

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can call other people derogatory names,
then well people can call you derogatory names,

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right, And is that what we
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guess maybe I don't know. So
are you ready? Let's let's jump into

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this. Sorry, I'm reaching back
to plug in my iPad because my iPad

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dies in the middle of this.
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time research, all right, So
he's he's about to get into the Constitution.

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He's gonna he's gonna go after that, there is no separation of church

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and state. We're gonna listen to
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gonna make some other claims, and
we're just gonna take them apart and see

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what we can find. Are you
ready? Here we go as we continue

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to navigate this wild forest of well
responding to the Trump assassination, politics,

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patriotism, almost a form of Christian
nationalism. All of this is coming together

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since the well against and in some
ways against, since the fourth of July.

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But it's only seeming now to get
even more intense intensified since the assassination

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attempt. Let's see what is going
on here? Here we go. You

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might ask, what about the constitutional
separation of church and state. You may

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be surprised to learn there is no
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Now, that is true, that
exact phrase is not there, just like

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the word trinity is not in the
Bible, just like the word rapture is

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not in the Bible, just like
the word dispensationalism. Well, dispensations,

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I guess you could argue there there's
a lot of phrases hypostatic union not there?

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Right, I could go on all
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Because a phrase is not used does
not mean the concept is not there.

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So Christians played this weird game,
right, Well, the phrase may

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not be in the Bible, but
the concept is there. Well, you'll

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be shocked to know the Constitution does
not use the exact phrase separation of Church

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and State. Okay, well,
congratulations, The concept is. It's the

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concept being can it arise from how
the Constitution is written? And it's funny

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how sometimes Christians it's really weird sometimes
from a Christian perspective, from a philological

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perspective, this is just a very
important question. How much authority do you

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give to the constitution? How much
authority do you give it? If the

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Constitution, if they amend the Constitution
and the let's say that it's now in

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the Constitution. Let's just say they
amend the Constitution and they say, hey,

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there's a new amendment and the amendment
says that homosexuality is good, it

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is right, it is the preferred
sexuality. Would you be a constitutionist?

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Will you will be will you be
all focused on the Constitution and its authority,

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or would you say, I don't
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it's weird. Sometimes Christians are like
the Constitution, the Constitution, the

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Constitution, and then the next minute
like, well, I don't care what

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the government says. I don't care
what the constitution says. So does the

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Constitution have power or not power?
It's not unless you're going to go with

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some crazy idea that it's inspired by
God. Now that's where things get crazy.

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So I like, how much power
do you give it? But he

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wants to really imp that the Constitution
does not use the phrase separation of Church

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and state. Right now, let's
see what he's going to go with the

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idea that because the phrase is not
there, So then what does that mean?

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It's no, we're in the constitution. What happened years ago? Each

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state had its own state church denomination, and there Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter

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to a group of Baptists from Danbury, Connecticut in one and the rule was

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that the Baptists Association had to support
with their taxes the state Church of Connecticut,

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which was the Congregational Church. And
so he wrote that that is not

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legal, that's unfair for what he
was saying, it's unfair for any church

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denomination to have it over authority over
another congregational church. Okay, now we're

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getting somewhere, all right, So
there should be no state church. There

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should be no state church, there
should be no national church. So if

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America is a Christian nation, but
yet there can be no national church or

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state church, then how do we
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establish the religion as the state religion, the national religion, but not a

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church. Like it's a Christian nation, but there can be no national or

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state church because we can't have one
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how should we work this? Well, then don't you separate bi logical inference

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the church from the state. So
then the state cannot then do anything to

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prefer a certain church, promote a
certain church, or do anything to punish

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a certain church. That the churches
operate separately and independently from the government,

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other than if the church is doing
something, you know, violation, violating

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specific laws. Right, Other than
that that you want to keep them as

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separate as possible. Right. So, even though that's not maybe the phrase

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separation of church and state, it
does sound like a little bit that well,

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I would definitely prefer it work that
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dominant church if well, I mean, look, let's be honest. If

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Charismatics are the dominant church and my
state or in the United States of America,

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I'm not supporting them. I'm not
doing it. I'm gonna be full

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blown in rebellion. I'm not gonna
listen because I think charismatic theology is absolutely

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a cancer on the face of the
earth and it needs to be eliminated.

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I can't stand charismatic theology. I
would move out of America, and as

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a Baptist, I sure wouldn't want
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or Episcopage, anybody who believes in
infant Baptism right or not congregational. But

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in your denominational church, especially the
Baptists, you'll find out the Early four

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Founders were Baptists, and they stood
for Baptist principles. The Early Forefathers were

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Baptists. The Early Forefathers were Baptists. Now we know George Washington was Episcopal,

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no Anglican, he was Anglican.
I think I have it here he

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is see Benjamin Franklin was raised Puritan, and George Washington was raised in the

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Anglican Church, the Church of England. So those are two. The early

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forefathers were Baptist. Were the early
forefathers of the United States? I'm asking

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ai? Baptist? Were the early
forefathers of the United States? Baptist?

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That's a crazy claim, Okay,
okay. While the early founders of the

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United States were primarily various denominations,
hang on, let me this did not,

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Let me have it, regenerate,
it's all, it's all messed up.

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He let me do this again.
All right, here we go.

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Now, I's tapping that out.
While the early founders of the United States

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were primarily from various Christian denominations such
as Congregationalists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, there

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are also some who identified as Baptists, notably figures like Roger Williams, who

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founded Rhode Island advocated for religious freedom, and John Leland, a Baptist minister

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who fought for the separation of church
and state, played a significant role in

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the early development of the country.
The Baptist tradition has deep roots in America,

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particularly in promoting religious liberty and tolerance. I always say that my Baptist

419
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part of me is why I'm such
a proponent of separation of church and state.

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Baptist that was kind of their thing, religious freedoms. They didn't want

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to be persecuted, they wanted to
be left alone, they didn't want to

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dominate, they wanted the government out
of it. Well, it separate.

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So but to say that the early
founders were Baptists is just a complete mischaracterization.

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You got to say some I would
argue the minority were the other denominations

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were much more represented in the Forefathers
that I think the Baptists would have been

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the minority. Okay, you see
this is this is when see when the

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churches get into all these other things. See this, this is what drives

428
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me crazy when whenever something happens,
when where churches get into politics, when

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churches get into patriotism, when churches
get into many these things. Sometimes what's

430
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:46.119
so crazy is what is being said. Is it an accurate representation? Let

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00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:50.200
me just state this again, when
the sure, when the when the pastor

432
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stands behind the pulpit and we're going
to talk about whichever subject we're gonna be

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talking about, science, history,
cultural events, current events, pop culture,

434
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:06.119
music, at the at the minimum, we should strive to be as

435
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accurate as possible. And I have
a very negative picture of the church in

436
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.480
general, and it started before I
became a Christian. I've told the story

437
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many many times during my teenage years. The idea that music was satanic and

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it was destroying everyone, and there
was messages if you played the album backwards.

439
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All of that was just like just
insane. In this part of the

440
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country, in West Texas, all
right, there were cities who had bands

441
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:40.039
on dances see footloose, Okay,
it was it was literally crazy, and

442
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.760
it was very common in this part
of the culture in this country at that

443
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:51.480
time that churches on a Friday night
would have some huge conference, some some

444
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:57.599
special meeting about the evils of rock
and roll and then would tell crazy stories

445
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.760
like they were you know, uh
that some one was listening to ac DC

446
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.280
at midnight, you know, Highway
to Hell or Hell's Bells from the Back

447
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.480
in Black album and the demons came
out of the speaker and they felt taken

448
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.440
control of And it's like just crazy
stories, right, and and there's these

449
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.239
backward messages and parents, you know, you guys, you don't even know

450
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.000
what's being said or telling your kids
to worship Satan and Satanists are everywhere and

451
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.079
we're all going to die. It's
the end of the world run okay,

452
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.360
and that that and that is not
even an exaggerated way of explaining it.

453
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:37.280
It was insanity. Well, I
thought it was fun to go to these

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churches on Friday night as a teenager
and watch these pastors supposedly talk about music

455
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.519
because it was in It was so
fun because they didn't understand what they either

456
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.440
would get. They would try to
quote a lyric and not even understand what

457
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.199
the lyric was saying, like they
would like they had no clue. Are

458
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:59.159
they associate, are they accrediting this
lyric to this band? Or they're looking

459
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.519
at album cub and you're like,
you don't even know what you're talking about.

460
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:07.679
All they proved to me where they
were fools. They were clueless,

461
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:15.400
they were moronic, idiotic. It
was embarrassing. And then on Saturday then

462
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.639
they would have a big bonfire where
guess what, we're gonna burn these records.

463
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.119
We're gonna burn records. Okay,
so they would burn the records.

464
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:28.559
It was just insanity. Well,
so I already hurt realized, may Christians

465
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:34.199
get their facts really messed up.
Then in the nineties it was a war,

466
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.800
you know, conservative churches in their
war against contemporary Christian music. Contemporary

467
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.960
Christian music is of the devil.
It's the devil in sheep's clothing. We've

468
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.760
got to fight against it. So
then I would hear pastors quoting lyrics from

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contemporary Christian music, and once again
it would be like, oh, my

470
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.199
goodness, you don't even understand what
the song is about. You don't even

471
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.360
understand what the song is about.
Could you stop it? You don't get

472
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.400
it, you're misrepresenting. Here's an
article where the band is saying, that's

473
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not what the song means. Could
you listen to No? But it was

474
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:13.000
just insanity, so time and time
again. So here he just made a

475
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:23.679
comment that the Forefathers were Baptist.
I like, some of them were,

476
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:30.400
yes, so, some were,
some weren't. So and again the Baptist,

477
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:37.280
from my understanding, tended and even
what I just read from artificial intelligence,

478
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.360
it even makes the argument that most
of the Baptists were the ones fighting

479
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:46.480
for the idea of separation of church
and state and religious liberty. And so

480
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:54.320
he wrote that letter that said something
about being separated and What he meant was

481
00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:00.239
not that the church should not have
anything to do with the government. He

482
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.639
didn't mean the church all to stay
out of the government's business. But it

483
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:08.199
meant for the government to stay on
the church's business. And no, so

484
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.039
the government stays out of the church's
business. But the church can be in

485
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:19.199
the government's business. So okay.
Now, when you say the government should

486
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.480
be in the church's business, which
church and which church should? Do you

487
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:28.800
want the church controlling the government's business? Which church gets to control the government

488
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.159
business? The Baptists, the Presbyterians, the Lutherans, the Episcopalians, the

489
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Anglicans, Mormons, Jehovah's Witness,
Catholics. Who gets to control now?

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According to a source. While the
phrase separation of church and state is not

491
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explicitly mentioned in the First Amendment of
the to the United States Constitution, it

492
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is widely interpreted by courts and legal
scholars as reflect the intent of the Establishment

493
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:07.960
Clause. The Establishment Clause prevents the
government from establishing a national religion or showing

494
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preference for one religion over another.
This principle being has been understood as promoting

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00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.719
the separation of the church and state. In the United States legal system,

496
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The idea of the separation of church
and state is rooted in the First Amendment

497
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Protection of religious freedom and has been
reaffirmed through various Supreme Court decisions over the

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years. While the exact phrase may
not be present in the Constitution, the

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concept is seen as a foundational principle
that guides the relationship between religion and government

500
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in the United States. So what
do you actually want. You don't want

501
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.679
the government involved in the church,
but you want the church involved in the

502
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.599
government. How do you want the
church involved in the government? Whose rules?

503
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:59.840
Whose rules? Whose rules? What
if the church could take control of

504
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.719
the government. And what if the
church could say, hey, if you

505
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.199
were divorced, first, no divorce, none. What God has joined together,

506
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Man should not put us under no
more allowance for divorce. Now,

507
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.360
some Christians say, no, no, no, no, there are certain

508
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rules that allow for divorce. No. But my Christianity says there are no

509
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.280
rules for divorce, and many are
no allowance for divorce, And there are

510
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.119
Christians who believe that. So no
divorce, Well no, no, there

511
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should be no none. We take
over. Oh and by the way,

512
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if you've been divorced and you're remarried, oh you are in adultery, and

513
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:40.840
so you should be punished by law
for adultery because every time you have relations

514
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.639
with your spouse, you're committing adultery. Oh no, there would be Christians

515
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.360
will be like absolute wait wait,
wait, I thought you wanted the church

516
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.800
involved in the government, maybe that
a church should establish those rules. No,

517
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.400
you just want rules going after the
sins that don't impact you. Right.

518
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.559
See, if we want the church
in the government, which church and

519
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.679
how much do you want them to
control what the government does it doesn't do,

520
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.760
not making a rule of law that
the Baptist of Danbury, Connecticut had

521
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:29.039
to send their money to support the
Congregational Church. John Calvin was not a

522
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:36.800
friend a Baptists. He persecuted the
Baptist. His church was the Presbyterian Church.

523
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:50.199
That's why I'm not a Calvist,
because Calvin got his doctrine from the

524
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:54.880
Baptist, not the Baptist. From
the Calvist. I'm not an Armenian.

525
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.880
You said, well, what in
the world are you. I'm a biable

526
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:09.239
believing Baptist period. I believe what
the Bible teaches. Calvinists would say they

527
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believe what the Bible teaches. Armenians
would teach would say they believe what the

528
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.920
Bible teaches. Lutherans would say they
believe what the Bible teaches. Presbyterians would

529
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.440
say, they believe that the Bible
teaches. Church of Christ would say they

530
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.800
believe what the Bible teaches. Charismatics
would say they believe what the Bible teachers.

531
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:28.800
Everyone says, they believe what the
Bible teaches. Everyone does say.

532
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:35.679
And this is the thing. If
Christians can't agree on any philological doctrinal issue.

533
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.880
We can't agree on baptism, we
can't agree on the Lord's Supper,

534
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:43.800
we can't agree on the word repentance. We can't literally agree on anything.

535
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.039
And you want the church involved in
government, Well, we can't agree on

536
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.000
anything theologically. How in the world
is the church going to have any influence

537
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.800
in the culture. When are we
going to agree on anything? Who gets

538
00:42:54.840 --> 00:43:05.039
to make the determination? Government's already
divided enough, get a bunch of Christians

539
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.639
in there, it'll be total utter
chaos. And you didn't like, you

540
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:16.360
didn't like Calvin persecuting others, Well, why was that? What happened when

541
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:22.400
in Calvin and Geneva? What happened? Did they establish kind of a church

542
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:28.159
state relationship? Where the church could
say this is wrong, and if you

543
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.320
do this, you'll be persecuted,
prosecuted, and punished, and then the

544
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:37.639
civil government would come along and execute
the punishment. The church would would write

545
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.159
the laws, and the civil government
then would prosecute and punish based off of

546
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.159
those religious laws. Say what happens
when the church is in charge in any

547
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:53.199
way, shape and form. People
start dying. And you're not a Calvinist

548
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.639
because what Calvin did you do?
Understand the doctrines of Calvinism did not originate

549
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:04.519
with cal Oh then okay, right, oh my goodness, gracious, you

550
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:09.800
can go. You can blame august
Augustine for for for someone will say Augustine,

551
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.280
but Augustine, yeah, would but
would he would be more responsible in

552
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:20.320
some ways, and we could get
a whole argument about church history. Okay,

553
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.840
all right, so all right,
let's see where this goes. And

554
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:30.000
that's what we preach. If it's
Bible, it's Baptist. If it's Baptist,

555
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.119
it's Bible. We believe in preach
what the Bible says. The apostles

556
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:46.159
and Jesus Christ taught the doctors of
grace before Calvin was ever born. Look,

557
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.199
I'm a Baptist. That's ridiculous.
If it's Bible, it's Baptist.

558
00:44:51.239 --> 00:45:01.199
And if it's Baptist, it's Bible. Which Baptist, it's Baptists. I've

559
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:06.119
been in Baptist churches and I'm like, is this a Baptist church or a

560
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.880
Charismatic church. I've been in Baptist
church and like, this is so semi

561
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.960
Pallagian to full blown Paalagianism, it's
not even funny. I've been in Baptist

562
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.320
church, like this is so calvinistic, it's not even funny. I've been

563
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.480
in Baptist churches that are so liberal. I'm like, I don't even know

564
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.920
what's going on here. And I've
been in Baptist churches that are so legalistic

565
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:28.559
that you're like, oh man,
I don't even think God could follow all

566
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:35.760
of these rules. This is so
what. There's not a unity within Baptist.

567
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.719
There's not unity within Baptist. You
could say there are certain things that

568
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.159
make someone a Baptist, and there
are usually a few things, but like

569
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:51.440
just to say Baptist means Bible,
and Bible means Baptist. Oh man,

570
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:58.639
oh man? Okay. In this
reply, Jefferson was quoting the First Amendments

571
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:06.519
in famous establishment clause, Congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment. Are

572
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:14.039
you listening? Congress shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting

573
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:21.400
the free exercise thereof. Now that
is the First Amendment has nothing to do

574
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.960
with church and state. It says
the government must stay out of the church's

575
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:34.599
business and not rule over one church
over another. The contact is obvious.

576
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:40.679
Jefferson Thomas Jefferson was saying, our
forefathers did not want one Christian domination to

577
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:47.559
elevate over another. That's pretty plain
in it. So when somebody says to

578
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.599
you, well, you know what
the First Amendment says, separation of church

579
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.000
and state. It does not say
that that was a letter written to the

580
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:07.559
Congregational Church. I don't understand this
point. So, okay, you you've

581
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:13.519
admitted that the Constitution as it is
written without the phrase was he was.

582
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.360
Basically, now you're you're saying the
church the government should stay out of the

583
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.760
church. Now you believe the church
should be involved in the government, but

584
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.280
you haven't really articulated exactly how that
is should work. But you've also articulated

585
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:30.159
that the way the Constitution is written, it prohibits then a one church system

586
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.639
like that that there cannot be a
governmental church, there cannot be a state

587
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:40.119
church. Okay, well, then
what do you want? I don't understand

588
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:45.199
what you want. Then, but
it's a Christian nation. What do you

589
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.119
mean by that that there's so even
though there's not a state church, there's

590
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.760
a state religion. And should that
state religion take priority over all the other

591
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.920
religions or prohibit the free exercise of
those other religions? Are you saying that

592
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.719
the that you that America is a
Christian nation, so that should stop the

593
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:07.079
existence of all other faiths and should
outlaw those faiths and outlaw atheists. Is

594
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.320
that what you're saying? Like,
I don't understand exactly what the point is

595
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:22.880
here. The Founding Fathers intended to
protect religious freedom, not restricted evidence from

596
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:29.599
the courts. How can we know
for sure what the Founding Fathers intended beside

597
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:36.679
the father's own words. See I
believe he's quoting directly from the Robert Jeffers

598
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.039
book. I think he is.
He's not giving us page numbers, He's

599
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.840
not bet. I believe he's quoting
directly from the book. We need the

600
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:44.800
book. What we need to do
is just look and see what criticisms have

601
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.199
been offered by the book about the
book. That's what we need. Okay.

602
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:52.199
So but he's just arguing, Hey, what the Constitution is saying you

603
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:58.000
cannot you know, you can interfere
with religious freedom. Okay, Now are

604
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.000
you going to argue, are you
going to a lot? Then that means

605
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:07.079
you can't interfere with anyone's religious freedom. Buddhist, Muslims, okay, anyone,

606
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:13.559
anyone, Satanists right, the Satanic
Temple, you can't interfere. You

607
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.559
can't take Now, if you're saying
that freedom goes for everyone, well then

608
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:21.760
you're in a pluralistic nation. You're
not in a Christian nation because you're allowing

609
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:27.639
the free exercise of all religions.
So do you allow Are you saying only

610
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:32.079
freedoms for Christians or only freedom for
certain Christians? Because Hey, if we're

611
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.119
going to start taking away freedoms,
I know the first ones I'm going after.

612
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.239
I'm going after Charismatics, and I'm
going to strip them of everything,

613
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:44.639
their church, their doctrine, their
theology. I'm going to ban charismatic theology

614
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:50.639
from the face of the earth.
So so what, But if it's a

615
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.239
pluralistic. Then if it's pluralistic and
you're allowing the freedom of every religion,

616
00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:01.920
including unbelievers, then you can't call
that a Christian nation. Early several early

617
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.400
court rulings show that not only was
the nation built on a Christian foundation,

618
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:15.199
but the government was also encouraged to
support the Christian faith. This is our

619
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:22.800
founding fathers. Now wait wait,
wait, wait was the so so are

620
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:29.280
the Supreme Court called for the government
to support the Christian faith? Well,

621
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:30.480
wait a minute, I thought you
wait a minute, wait a minute.

622
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.320
Wait, If the government is supporting
the Christian faith, that is the government

623
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:39.360
getting involved in Christianity. You said
that it was supposed to keep the government

624
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:44.000
separate from the church, not the
church separate from the government. But if

625
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:49.280
the what the government supports, the
government is going to control the government.

626
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.079
The government. The minute you take
money from the government, the minute you

627
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:58.079
take support from the government, you
are now what mad? You're marrying yourself

628
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.800
to it. And now it's going
to have some say so. But where

629
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:07.679
like he's not offering any support of
that. Yeah, I could try to

630
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.400
I could try to do some googling
of that. But even if it's true,

631
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.159
is that the way it should be. Oh, look, I say

632
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.760
this, I don't want the government's
money. I don't want the government's support.

633
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.599
I don't want the government's help.
I don't want anything from the government.

634
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.480
I just want to be left alone
so that we can preach and teach,

635
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.039
because the more you take from the
government. That was churches taking those

636
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:37.519
loans during during COVID. It was
it the PI. I can't remember the

637
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.760
P something loans, p I P
P PI, I can't remember what they

638
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:45.519
were called. And they were taking
that money from the government. I'm like,

639
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.440
what in the world are you doing
if you take money from the government.

640
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.960
And then they would take money from
the government, but they didn't want

641
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.960
to follow any of the COVID restrictions. I'm like, you're literally taking money

642
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:58.360
from the very government that you're saying. And remember that. And I looked

643
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.800
up all kinds of churches that took
laws of money, and it was insane.

644
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.800
These churches are taking all this money
from the government. Well they're are,

645
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.719
well, Christians are running around,
Oh, this is an attempt to

646
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.159
shut down Christianity. This is it. They're trying to take away our religious

647
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:15.679
freedoms by giving churches millions upon millions
of dollars so that they could support their

648
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.960
staff and remain open. Yeah,
that doesn't sound like that's not Typically if

649
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:25.079
you want to shut down Christianity,
you don't start handing them money. It's

650
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:29.840
insane. But I once you take
the money, but then you didn't want

651
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.960
to follow the rules, like I'm
not. I Yeah, I'm having a

652
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:44.639
hard time with this and the cool
and all that bunch the liberals, infidels

653
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.800
and infra halles. They're trying to
destroy it all. And I'm going to

654
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:55.840
show you that in a minute.
Liberals, infidels, and infiels, I

655
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:07.880
mean, whatever, whatever, I'll
show you that in a minute. The

656
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:15.079
First Amendment is about protecting religious expression, not restricting it. The Supreme Court

657
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:23.079
said, unequivocally, the United States
is a Christian nation. Now, he

658
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:30.760
said, the Supreme Court unequivocally said
that America is a Christian nation. He

659
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:37.840
said unequivocally. The Supreme Court has
not explicitly stated that America is clearly a

660
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.760
Christian nation. The Court has recognized
the secular nature of the American government and

661
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.599
the importance of religious freedom for all
individuals, regardless of their faith. The

662
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.159
Establishment clause of the First Amendment prohibits
the government from favoring religion over another,

663
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.920
or from or form an official national
religion. The principle of separation of church

664
00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:00.480
and state underscores the idea that the
United States is diverse, pluralistic society where

665
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.760
individuals are free to practice their religion
without government interference. And please note he

666
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:09.880
just says they unequivocally said it's a
christiannation. Okay, now maybe he's getting

667
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:14.719
ready to quote the Supreme Court statement
where this is said. I want to

668
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.280
know the Supreme Court statement where he
said it's unequivocal. If it's unequivocal,

669
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:21.679
then read it to me. And
now I want to If I need to,

670
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:24.159
I'll call a lawyers who know more
about the Supreme Court than I do

671
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.119
and say, hey, according to
this, they unequivocally said America as a

672
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.400
Christian nation. And then they may
say something lying, well, if you

673
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:34.800
learned how to read, or they
may say something to me like, well

674
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.000
if you look at the content.
I don't know what they would say to

675
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.639
me, but I know immediately with
just a couple of seconds of searching,

676
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.800
at least AI is saying, no, there's the Supreme Court is not explicitly

677
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:51.159
stated and because I asked, did
the Supreme Court say this? Now,

678
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.559
if it's out there, AI typically
would find it and say, well,

679
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:59.760
according to this nothing, I can
do more searching, so I'm just doing

680
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.039
real time fact checking. But uh, yeah, he said it unequivocally said

681
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:08.920
it. Well, so if the
Supreme Court says something, then it's law.

682
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.159
I just want to make sure.
So if the Supreme and we go

683
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:19.519
along with it, if the Supreme
Court said that homosexual marriage is right,

684
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.880
do we go along with it?
Or do we do we say it's wrong,

685
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.239
See it's weird. Sometimes well the
Supreme Court said it, well,

686
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.599
then it has to be true.
But other times the Supreme Court said it,

687
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.719
Well, I disagree with the Superpreme
Court. So does the Supreme Court

688
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:37.519
have authority? Oh, it only
has authority when we agree with it,

689
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.599
and it has no authority when we
disagree with it. Even if the Supreme

690
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:45.039
Court said America as a Christian nation, that would not make it so unless

691
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:49.000
you're going to say the Supreme Court
has ultimate authority, Well, then when

692
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.400
they make other rulings, you would
have to agree with that as well.

693
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:57.639
Right? Would that not be the
logical way this would work? How about

694
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:07.719
that? How about that, and
then someone's like, yep, no,

695
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.320
not how about that. We're at
and you can hear him turning pages.

696
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.239
I think he's reading from Robert Jeffery's
book. Now, maybe the book has

697
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:21.199
the quote from the Supreme Court.
I would love to know the context of

698
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:37.920
the quote. Now look at our
nation today? Are we a Christian nation

699
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:46.800
like it was intended? Today?
Homosexuality is getting out like never before.

700
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:52.159
Today in I believe it's New York, two million homosexuals are going to be

701
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:58.239
gathering on gay Pride months. I'm
glad this month's over because this month has

702
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.079
been about gay pride. Time you
turn on your national news here they come

703
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:12.079
out with that flag. A disgrace. I remember as a young person it

704
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:19.920
was a crime for a homosexual to
practice it. You would be arrested and

705
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:24.400
put in jail. You saw in
your national news about fifty five years ago

706
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:31.480
they had the first gay bar for
gaye only one bar, and it was

707
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:37.199
raided by our government by the police. I remember a gay bar in Lexic,

708
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:42.199
Kentucky. We were shocked a gay
bar and it was just a few.

709
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.880
It was a small place, just
a few hung out there, but

710
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:52.000
you couldn't get them all in the
town town of Lexnon today. What about

711
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:57.800
this transgender business. Now, let's
make it very clear. If we want

712
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.239
to start, Hey, we want
to go back to the good old days

713
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:06.480
where homosexuality was illegal, Well,
then let's go back to the good old

714
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:12.559
days and make fornication illegal. Let's
go back to the good old days and

715
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:16.440
make divorce illegal. Let's go back
to the good old days. And if

716
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:22.199
someone is married, divorce and remarried, they're guilty of adultery and they should

717
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.039
be prosecuted. If you want to
start going like, hey, we want

718
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:28.880
biblical laws implemented, let's go after
all. Oh, which ones? Now,

719
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.960
who gets to decide which biblical laws
there is imposed? What if they're

720
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:35.599
a seventh day at venice and they
want to go to the Old Testament,

721
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.840
like you can't eat this, you
can't eat this, you can't eat this,

722
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:39.400
you can't eat this, you have
to be sacrificed. Well, they

723
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:42.920
wouldn't go with that, that part
of the Old Testament. Well, let's

724
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.800
just say you go with Well,
okay, a Jew, let's say an

725
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:47.639
Orthodox Jew, you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta

726
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:50.719
wear this, you can't wear that. You go back to all the Old

727
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:52.519
Testament law. We're gonna go.
We're gonna bring all of that doude no

728
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.239
no, no, no, no, no no, we don't want that.

729
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:59.480
Who gets to decide which biblical law
then is imposed upon everyone else?

730
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:06.079
And do you want biblical law imposed
upon the unregenerate? Do you want the

731
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.840
unregenerate to be now forced to live
as something they are not? You want

732
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:15.719
to impose your religious morality upon someone
who doesn't hold to your religion. You

733
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.239
want to impose your religion and take
away their freedom, But you don't want

734
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.239
your freedom to be messed with.
Oh if Muslims want to real law,

735
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:27.639
oh my goodness, it's the end
of the world. But Christians are like,

736
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:37.280
I want to go back to the
good old days. Is that what's

737
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:47.719
being promoted here? I don't know
if that's what's being promoted. He seems

738
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.880
to think that that was a good
thing back then, when the government was

739
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:57.039
rating a bar based on the fact
that it was You know, people who

740
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:08.800
are tending said bar based on their
sexual preference. Taking a little boy and

741
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:12.679
making him a girl, taking a
little girl making him a boy by giving

742
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:22.639
him hormones and surgeries, transvestites,
sex perversion, pornography, and on and

743
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:29.360
on we could go. So the
devil has a grip on our country.

744
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:37.360
Number two, the devil has a
grip on our public school system. The

745
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:43.760
first schools in America were started by
the Puritans in the sixteen hundreds. The

746
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:49.559
purpose was to teach children to read
the Bible. We got to go back

747
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:53.880
to the Puritans. Do you want
to ban Christmas? Do you want to

748
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:59.239
ban the celebration of Christmas? Make
it a law? Oh? Do you

749
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:02.400
want to I don't know, accuse
people of witchcraft and kill them and you

750
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:06.760
know, have them killed like the
Puritans is did in Salem. And let

751
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.199
me know, I've been to Salem
multiple times. I know the history of

752
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:13.519
Salem, oh and Boston, and
that well that the witch charals, the

753
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.880
first witch Charles, I think occurred
in Boston before they moved over to Salem.

754
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:23.559
Now, got I got mad respect
for a lot of what I mean.

755
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:28.159
That's why I'm always conflicted with Salem. On one hand, I'm horrified

756
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.920
at the things that happened in Salem. Horrified. And every time I go

757
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:35.719
there and I go to the different
museums and I explore this and explore that,

758
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.039
I always come back, depressed and
discouraged. At the same time,

759
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:42.880
I've got great respect for the Puritans, because I've read pretty much anything I

760
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.559
can get my hands on from the
Puritans. I have great respect for a

761
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:47.119
lot of what they did. But
at the same time, there were human

762
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.880
beings. And again in many parts
of that area, Christmas, the celebration

763
01:01:51.920 --> 01:02:01.199
of Christmas was just right out banned. Now, how did how did we

764
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:05.559
go from a Christian nation? And
now this is this is the million dollar

765
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.280
question. How do we go from
a Christian nation until where Satan has now

766
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:17.159
his hand or control of America?
How did that happen? Did Satan get

767
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:28.360
control because we allowed for pluralism,
because we did not impose religious law upon

768
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:34.719
non Christians? Is that how it
happened? Or did Satan get control?

769
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:42.880
Because well, more and more people
are not Christians, more and more people

770
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:47.480
don't believe in the Bible, more
and more people reject Christianity. Well as

771
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.159
more and more people have Remember the
way our government works supposedly by the people,

772
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.000
for the people, the people get
to vote, Well, what if

773
01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:00.639
people decide you know what, we
don't care what you want. Minority of

774
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.519
Christians want, Well, we don't
want those rules. Well, guess what,

775
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.440
that's the way our government works.
See, what we want is they

776
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:12.599
can decide the morality they want to
live by as long as obviously we may

777
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.320
argue that wait a minute, that
puts these people in jeopardy, or that's

778
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.679
damaging. We can make an argument
there, but the main thing we want

779
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.559
is them just not to stop us
from our ability to preach and condemn said

780
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:32.199
morality. Wouldn't. The way to
resolve the problem of Satan having his control

781
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:45.599
is for the church to evangelize,
baptize, and disciple, not read history,

782
01:03:45.679 --> 01:04:00.679
not usual, not read, not
do to arithmetic or geography, but

783
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.960
to teach children the Bible. Now, there was others that got credit later

784
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:11.519
on, a guy you name Horseman. He started a school to teach children

785
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.400
the word of God. Benjamin Franklin, matter of fact, printed and sold

786
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:26.239
the first textbook call New England Primer. But today prayer and Bible reading is

787
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:31.199
not permitted in public schools. They've
taken the Ten Commandments off the wall and

788
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:35.480
replaced them with policemen in the hall. And that's great. I'm glad there

789
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:41.920
are policemen in the hall. Maybe
to stop some of this school shootings that

790
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:48.400
are going on. There have been
over four hundred school shootings since Colibine,

791
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:58.159
over four hundred. So what it
sounds like he wants the public school to

792
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:03.760
be a religious institution controlled by which
church or which religion. Do you want

793
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.079
to be Baptist? Do you want
to be Lutheran? Do you want to

794
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.400
be Catholic? Do you want to
be Jehovah's Witness? Do you want to

795
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:11.760
be Mormons? Do you want to
be Satanist? Do you want to be

796
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.800
Muslims? Well, I know he
doesn't want it to be any other.

797
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:19.119
He wants it to be a Christian
It's a public school. It's not a

798
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:25.920
religious school. Your church can start
a school. It's a public school,

799
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:32.079
meaning we live in a pluralistic society. It's not there to simply teach Christianity

800
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:47.239
or promote Christianity. Because it's a
public school. They don't want anything to

801
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:57.719
do with God until some tragedy like
a school shooting, and they say where

802
01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:04.880
was God? Where was God when
that happened to those people, I'll tell

803
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:13.519
you where he was. Remember you
asked him to leave? Oh my goodness,

804
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:19.800
So kids were shot and killed at
Sandy Hook because God was asked to

805
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:26.159
leave. But if God would have
been asked to be there, none of

806
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:31.079
that would have happened. Then why
is there shootings in churches? Did the

807
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:35.119
church ask God to leave? When
someone when a gunman walks into a church.

808
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.440
I mean, hey, churches,
you don't need guns, you don't

809
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:42.639
need a security team because you didn't
ask God to leave. And if God

810
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:45.960
is there, there'll be no church
shootings, there'll be no school shootings.

811
01:06:48.840 --> 01:07:01.039
Man, Huh, you're gonna blame
dead kids because the public school asks God

812
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:06.679
to leave? Oh but so so? What so when Christians are murdered?

813
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:10.840
Where where was God? Did he
they asked him to leave? If so?

814
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.159
So, if if you get cancer
because you ask God to live?

815
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.679
Is this the way we blame victims? You died because your school asked God?

816
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.960
Hey, hey, parent, I'm
sorry your child was killed in school,

817
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:24.639
But it's your school's fault because they
asked God to leave. I mean,

818
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.440
now, your kid should have been
asking for God to be there.

819
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:43.000
It's your kid's fault because your kid
didn't ask God to be there. Man,

820
01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:59.480
mmm, the implications of that are
horrifying. I know he doesn't mean

821
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:12.440
it that way, but it's horrifying. You put him out. I remember,

822
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:24.640
first of all, and in nineteen
sixty two, they barred prayer from

823
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:30.079
school. They wouldn't even to let
a little child pray a little child's prayer.

824
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:33.800
Oh, for crying out loud,
I'm so sick of hearing this.

825
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:40.159
I went to public school my whole
life, and I don't know if people

826
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:50.520
understand how prayer works. Just give
me a second. I just prayed and

827
01:08:50.600 --> 01:09:01.159
asked God to forgive me for my
anger. Just what a school doesn't prohibit

828
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:09.600
that? See, you want a
public prayer led by? But which kind

829
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.760
of prayer do you want? Do
you want it to be a Catholic prayer?

830
01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.479
What if it's the Rosary? What
if it's an Islamic cult prayer?

831
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:21.840
And we face Mecca, No,
No, you don't want that. What

832
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:28.880
if it's what if it's a Mormon
prayer or a Jehovah's Witness prayer or a

833
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:35.199
one is Pentecostal prayer. No one's
stopping the little kid from praying. And

834
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:40.079
also, hey, I got an
idea. If you're so worried that the

835
01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:44.079
schools aren't praying, why is it
that every morning, when kids are on

836
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:46.439
their way to school, you can't
find a church open having a prayer meeting.

837
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:51.840
You can open up your front doors
and let everyone know in the city

838
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:57.319
that each morning at seven am we
have a prayer meeting. All of the

839
01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:01.079
kids who want to pray can stop
by the church. I bet you the

840
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:06.640
teenagers will be pulling up in large
numbers. Oh, we're not going to

841
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:10.199
do it in front of the school
at the flagpole where you can get seen

842
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.560
and it becomes a big deal.
Now, we're just going to do it

843
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:15.359
in the church. No cameras,
no TikTok, and no social media.

844
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:16.960
And you're just gonna come to the
church and pray before you go to school.

845
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.720
And you can teach your child that
they can pray all day without seizing.

846
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.760
They don't have to have a teacher
leading the prayer. They can pray

847
01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:45.079
whenever they want. They can just
in their mind talk to God. I

848
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:49.720
don't know what to say. This
is where the church is headed, ladies

849
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:55.560
and gentlemen. This is where the
church has been, this patriotic, political,

850
01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:01.560
hijacked church that seems to be more
interested in telling the government and telling

851
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:06.000
people what they should do than us. Focusing on us, our sin,

852
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:11.039
our failure, our weakness, our
lack of revival, our lack of godliness

853
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.600
and focusing on ourselves and trying to
be more godly ourselves. We want to

854
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.079
take control of everyone else. We
want to control everyone else. We want

855
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:23.800
to tell everyone else what to do, We want to be in charge.

856
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.239
Well, I don't want you in
charge. I don't want your Christianity in

857
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:33.239
charge. I don't want you in
charge because I don't even know if we

858
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:35.600
were. I don't even know if
we believe the same thing at this point,

859
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:43.119
because I'm sure not going to blame
people being shot in school because the

860
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:49.600
public school supposedly told God to leave. Because I know shooters walk into churches

861
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:56.319
and kill people inside churches, But
if God is there, then he stops

862
01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.800
all of the shooting. Then I'm
sick and tired of churches which teams with

863
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.520
guns. You don't need them.
You didn't ask God to leave, and

864
01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:08.359
no tornado should hit your church.
You didn't ask God to leave, and

865
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.520
no one in your church should get
cancer because you didn't ask God to leave,

866
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:14.520
and no one in your church should
ever die because you didn't ask God

867
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:23.279
to leave. But it doesn't work
that way, does it. The implications

868
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:31.239
there is insane. Now, I
know that's not what was meant. I

869
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.720
hope, I'm gonna bet. I'm
gonna just I'm gonna just give them the

870
01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.880
benefit of the doubt that that's not
what was meant. But how what else

871
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:58.039
do you infer from that? Mm? Well, I've sinned. I don't

872
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:03.159
know about you. I've sinned.
Yeah, I'm angry, I'm mad,

873
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:06.720
frustrated, bothered, tired of it
all. I'm just tired of this,

874
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:13.720
tired of this whole argument that's been
promoted for I've heard this promoted so much

875
01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:18.399
in my Christian life over and over
and over and over and over. And

876
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:21.199
I know you say the word Christian
national appeasement. People, people row the

877
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:26.159
rise, we me me me mem
Yeah, you know you don't like Christian

878
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.359
nationalism. Okay, well, yeah
I don't. I don't. I'm sorry,

879
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.199
I don't. I just rejected outright. I reject all of this outright

880
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:41.319
completely, one hundred and fifty percent. Now, I will defend everyone's right

881
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:43.680
to promote it, and I will
defend everyone's right to preach it, and

882
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:45.680
I want them to be able to
preach it, and I'm glad they have

883
01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:49.840
the platform to preach it and everything
about it. But the one thing that

884
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:54.239
bothers me is like some of this
information we are already verified, it's just

885
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:58.680
not even accurate, or there's no
support given, there's no there's no citations,

886
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:00.680
there's just claim. And then the
people in the church are just saying

887
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:06.159
amen to things that may not even
be accurate or at least we initially have

888
01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:18.319
information, calling it into great contradiction
or claiming that it's not true. I

889
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:23.520
would say this, and I'll end
with this. I know Christians love to

890
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.800
put this little chart up. Hey, when prayer was taken out of public

891
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.680
school, look at how bad things
God. At the very same time,

892
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:32.800
look at how bad things God is
in the American church since prayer was supposedly

893
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:35.600
taken out of school. Just well, prayer was taken out of school,

894
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.520
and you put a chart up of
how many bad things have happened in the

895
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.399
school. Go look up the date
the prayer was taken out of the school

896
01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:45.079
till twenty twenty four, and look
up numbers of how many children have been

897
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:51.920
sexually molested and sexually abused inside churches
since that date. There's prayer in churches.

898
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:04.079
We saw an article about now there's
a booming industry providing security training for

899
01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:09.920
churches because church shootings have increased dramatically, at least according to the argument.

900
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:14.199
Well, if that's the case,
what happened? Why Why why is church

901
01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:16.520
shootings increase? Why why a sin
is increasing in the church. Wait a

902
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:28.039
minute, there's prayer. Nobody ask
God to leave. You can email me

903
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:31.720
at news I fit Yahoo dot com. News I fit Yahoo dot com.

904
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:38.920
I make I make no excuse.
I've gotten way too angry. I admit

905
01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:43.800
that it's a sin. But I'm
just a Christian who's a sinner trying to

906
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:49.920
figure this all out. And I
don't find myself even welcomed in that form

907
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:55.920
of Christianity. I don't even know
what that is. Maybe you do.

908
01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:00.520
Maybe that's your former Christianity, and
congratulations, you've got plenty of your that

909
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.439
will support your former Christianity. By
all means, y'all move forward, promote

910
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.640
what you want to promote. I
will stand in opposition to it, because

911
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:15.039
no, there's still logical problems.
There's logical problems, there's historical problems,

912
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:21.800
and there's just pragmatic problems. Who
gets to be in charge? Thanks for

913
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:23.760
listening, God bless