A New Christian Fad?

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective.

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This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central.

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Good afternoon, everyone. It is Sunday, September fifteenth, twenty twenty four.

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It is currently four fifty four pm Central Time, and

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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central

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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, I was

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debating with myself what to do right now, right because

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on one hand, I could just go live and we

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could talk about a breaking news story which a lot

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of people are going to have opinions about. We could

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I could turn on the microphone and talk about an

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ongoing news story that is really just starting to get

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to me emotionally. And I'm getting really fed up and

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frustrated in that, and I don't really know how to

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address it. But I've already addressed did a little bit

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here on the podcast, so I could do that. There's

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other things I need to do, so I'm a little

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bit conflicted. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm

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gonna just go ahead and tell you about the breaking

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news story. You probably have already seen all of the

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alerts on your mobile device, but if you have not

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heard the former President Donald Trump was the subject of

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an apparent assassination attempt at his Florida golf club. The

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FBI says, let me read that one more time. Trump

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was the subject of an apparent assassination attempt at his

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Florida golf club. The FBI says, right that, now, this

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is still still a lot of information coming out. I've

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already heard conflicting reports about what happened. I've heard some

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back and forth. So one of the best things to

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do is not to go into any detail about this.

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But we talked about this at the end of twenty

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twenty three, how twenty twenty four was going to be

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an absolutely crazy, crazy year, and it we are starting

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to see a lot of that. A second possible assassination

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attempt against against the former president Donald Trump. I mean,

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that is that is in. That's just it's crazy. And

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I don't know what we're going to find out about this.

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I don't know if there's going to be any walking

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it back. I don't know. I don't know where it's

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going to go. But according to the headline, this is

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from the Associated Press, and I just received this just

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a few minutes ago. Trump was the subject of an

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apparent assassination attempt at his Florida golf club. The FBI says,

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so you may want to continue to monitor that and

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see what happens. As always, what do I say this constantly,

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especially when it comes to news coverage. Be patient. Don't

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just immediately start making comments under a news article, don't

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immediately start making comments on social media. Be patient, Let

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the facts come out. Don't just start, you know, listening

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to just your your little political echo chamber. Listen to

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all kinds of different sources. Be thoughtful, Do not bear

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false witness, Do not spread lies, do not spread misinformation.

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Be very careful, gather information. And well, this is just

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the state things are currently in, and it's a tragic situation.

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It's a difficult situation. We have the things going on

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in Springfield, Ohio, where there have been bomb threads, schools

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have had to close down, there's been I think the

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hospital had to be evacuated. I think city hall had

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to be evacuated. I think some schools. I mean it's

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been it's just all it's just craziness, right, It's just craziness.

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So I it's like you want to I almost feel helpless, Definitely,

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I almost feel like it's hopeless. I feel like you can't.

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There's no real communicating with anyone about any of these subjects,

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right Everyone is just they go to a specific political side.

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They won't listen to any other side. Everyone's yelling and

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screaming at one another, Accusations are being made. People are

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becoming more and more divided. People are it's becoming more

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and more divisive. It's becoming more and more dangerous. It's

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becoming more and more threatening. And I don't know what

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the endgame is here, right Like if I was to

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try to a lot of times, I like to try

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to look at everything and try to kind of figure

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out where things are going. I don't really know. I

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don't know how the election is going to go. I

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don't know what's going to be the I'm more concerned

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of the immediate what are the immediate consequences of the election.

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And so there's a lot going on and all I

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can do is try I'm going to continue to try

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to figure out when to talk about it and when

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not to talk about it. But I just know that's

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not the world I want. Like if you start the

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minute you start talking about it, you kind of get

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you kind of get pulled in, and then that's all

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you can do. You just got to keep talking about it.

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You got to and then people from the other side

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are going to attack you, and then do you respond

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to that? And then and then, and it's just on

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and on, and it's just I think ultimately what you'll do,

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you'll get pulled further and further and further away from

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anything related to theology, the Bible, Christianity. It becomes just

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you know, politics, current events. It basically becomes like news commentary.

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And there's already so many voices out there. We've got

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to find a way to get back to Okay, okay,

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the world is in a sense on fire. The church

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has to be a place where we can put the

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focus where we need to put it. That's where when

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I did the podcast about the crazy claims about you know, Springfield, Ohio,

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and they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs, and

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all of that just insanity. What I tried to do

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is to turn our attention to that new Confession of

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faith put together by hundreds of pastors saying, hey, hey,

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the church has got to stop this. We've this is

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what we need to be focused on. So and I

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and I sent that out. Maybe maybe we'll talk about

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that again, because that was my timpt to say, this

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is happening, this is what we need to focus on.

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And I'm a little like even right now, I'm like,

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what do I do? Like there's a part of me

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that just wants to jump into it all But once

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you do, it's almost like there's no getting yourself back out,

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There's no you can't get back to what we need

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to focus on. So I'm just going to try to

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turn our attention for just a little bit of time. Right,

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It's been it's been crazy around here. I mean you've

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probably noticed not a lot of broadcast. It's been crazy.

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Then when I did have an opportunity to broadcast, there

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was all kinds of technical problems, so then I had

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to make a decision. So then I scratched that and

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it's just been And then today at for Church was

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just a total disaster. Nothing really worked well there. So

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I have an opportunity, Now what do we do? So

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I'm just gonna ease back into this, all right. So

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the other day I was I don't even know, I

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may have been looking up videos about a lot of

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the controversy that you know, we've already talked about here

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in Ohio and all of that craziness. And or I

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just may have been checking my the YouTube page for

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this podcast. I don't. I was just somehow found myself

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on YouTube and which I don't typically spend a lot

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of time on or visiting, and I saw a video

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and it says, basically, a new fad in evangelicalism. Basically

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is there a new fad developing in the evangelical world?

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And I was like, I start a new fad? So

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I kind of just sit there and looked at the

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title and was like, what would be the new fad?

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What would be the new fad in evangelicalism? I kept thinking,

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I'm like, I miss something. What is the new fad?

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And evangelicalism? I mean I've lived I feel like I've

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lived through them all, right, the Prairie Jabez, the Harbinger,

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purpose driven church, purpose driven life. I mean, I can

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go on purity rings, what would Jesus do? Bracelets? Oh man,

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I could go promise keepers. I don't know. You can

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just name all the fads, right, And it's just I

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feel like I've lived through all of the fads and

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I understand depending how long you've been a Christian, you

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may not even kind of realize that. When I first

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became a Christian, I didn't really see. I just saw, Okay,

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I've become a Christian. So in my mind, well, now

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I live in the Christian world, right, So I go

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to Christian bookstores and I listened to Christian radio, and

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I didn't realize that it was kind of its own subculture, right,

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that had its own celebrities, had its own merchandise, had

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its own products, had its own everything. And you kind

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of just you kind of were supposed to drop out

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of this culture and embrace this subculture. And then well

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then you went, you bought the Jesus merchandise, you bought

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the Christian merchandise you bought, and you went to the

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Christian events, and I didn't. And then I, over time,

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I become much more jaded over all of it, and

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then begin to challenge it and realize, wow, this this

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there's a lot to this thing that's just really not

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good about the whole thing. And I could go into

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my entire critique of all of it. So, but I'm

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obviously now I try to keep up with what's going

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on in the Christian world. It's much harder in twenty

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twenty four to really identify the fad. There was a

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time within Christianity you could identify the fad because that's

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what everybody Christians everywhere were talking about it. But we

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have so much available to us in twenty twenty four

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that it's hard to go, oh, there's the fad, because

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you may go, well, that's gaining some popularity, but you've

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got a whole another entire part of Christianity who doesn't

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even pay any attention to that because there's just so

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much available. It's like there's individual fads within the little, individual,

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broken off segments of Christianity. I think Christianity is much

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more they have their own little world where I think

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there was a time there was much more like an

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evangelical subculture and you could see what was more people

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were on the same page, right. I think it was

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easier to have a fad spread because there was at

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least kind of an evangelical subculture that wasn't broken off

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into little neighborhoods. Is that a better way to describe it? So?

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I don't know if it's as easy to see a

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fad anymore. I mean, Christian bookstores per se. I mean,

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they still exist, but they're not very relevant anymore. When

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I think they used to have a greater influence. You

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could go to a Christian bookstore kind of figure out

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what was going on in the evangelical world. I don't

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think that's so much. Christian radio no longer has the

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influence like I think it once did. You now have

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Christian podcast but there's so many of them it's hard

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to know, well, these are the ones influencing when we

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were following this. I still need to get back to.

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We were doing a little series on the podcast on

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the Spotify Christian charts, and I do need to get

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back to that. But even some of those I'd never

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even heard of them. I'm like, this is not number

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three on the Spotify Christian Religious chart, and it's like,

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I've never even heard of these people. I've never even

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heard of any of this. And it's like it's so

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it's much easier to be disconnected or unplugged from it

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all because there's so much so I don't so what

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we're gonna do is we're gonna listen to a little

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bit of this. I started listening and I'm like, is

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that really the fad? So you can make your own determination.

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Do you think this is a fad and evangelic today?

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Is this a new fad? I don't think it's really

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that new. Maybe maybe there's a unique twist on it.

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I don't know. You draw your own conclusion. Now. What

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I want you to do, though, I want you to

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try to just write down on paper right now, right

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you have to take a screenshot with a timestamp on

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it so that you can't lie and say you guessed right. Okay,

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So what would you say is the new fad in evangelicalism?

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What would you say if you were to write down

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your prediction the new fad and evangelicalism? What would it be?

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What would it be? I couldn't really think of one.

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I really couldn't think, oh, that's the new fad. I

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mean really, I mean what is even I mean we

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had the kind of the Jesus calling fad now that

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that was much more influential than I but that once

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we started looking at the Jesus calling devotion on that

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whole thing, it was like, this is so insane. I

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don't even know how it's a fad. It is a

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fad considering how many it's sold. So maybe I kind

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of even missed that one. He said, what's the what's

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the fad? Right now? I need to I don't know.

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I don't know what it is. So I know what

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they say. You can tell me if you guessed right?

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Are you ready? Here we go?

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Hey, just what we need? A new evangelical trend. And

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you say, Wade, are you suggesting evangelicals are trendy? No,

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I'm saying that definitively. We have science to back it up.

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Let's take a little trip down evangelical memory lane, shall.

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We, gentlemen start?

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the Christ, the shack at the five love Languages, Heavenly tourism, books,

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blue like Jazz, I'm second, the love there, God's not Dead,

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the circle maker, crazy love, soul surfer, the harbinger, Jesus calling.

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I think we've we've established the fact.

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Okay. Then in the video they go to a little

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music segment and they just flash more more of the

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fads that have shown up in Christianity. Because you have

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these things that like boom Ember. But if you notice

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a lot of those are older right see. To me,

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I think Christianity it was easier to have a fad

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spread throughout much of Christianity because Christians were listening to

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Christian radio. Well, they were being influenced by similar voices.

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They were like, they were going to Christian bookstores being

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influenced by similar merchandise. So I just and I just

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think it's much more disunified now it's not. I think

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it's it's like that those Christians over there could be

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listening to this podcast. Those Christians over there could be

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listening to this podcast. Those Christians could be purchasing books

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on Amazon. How they found them, I don't know. And

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these never even heard These Christians have never heard of

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those books. I think it's much more again, like little neighborhoods,

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it's much more disunified. So he has a little music segment.

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He shows a bunch of others and you could probably

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name a lot of them. So we'll let this music

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segment kind of go through really quick. Here we go, Okay,

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we're letting this play. We're letting this play. Here, We're

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letting this play.

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Church Love fads, and it seems like we're seeing another

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fad that I wish weren't a fad, not because I

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don't want this fad to be reality, but I fear

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this fad is mostly counterfit. You say, WA's the fad revivals?

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It started over a year ago with the Asbury Revival

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on a university campus, remember, apparently spread to other campuses.

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Claims that hundreds of kids, thousands of kids getting saved.

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We want that, don't. We genuinely want to see revival

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sweep the land, like in the days of the First

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and second Great Awakenings. But I fear what we're seeing

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these days it's more like a Charles Finney revival. Back

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to the middle of the nineteenth century. He was well,

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he was a heretic, but he was also a manipulator.

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Some of the stuff he preached as a touring evangelist

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was like whoa fiery good stuff. But he wasn't after

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conversion and regeneration. He was after moral transformation. What did

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he use to get people stirred up? Manipulation? He used enthusiasm.

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He created the anxious bench, which was the precursor to

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the modern day altar call. Come if you're anxious, come

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on down, make a decision for Jesus. Now, start behaving better. Now,

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his preaching, while fiery and some of it good, was

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not gospel centered. But I will say this, at least

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the revivals were based on preaching. The modern day revivals,

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you know what, they're based on music. But they both

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have the same modus operendi enthuspeople manipulate people. Music is

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massive when it comes to these revivals that were seeing

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kind of all over the place, the University of Oklahoma,

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Lee University, or in a state university EXAs A and L.

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We really do want kids to be saved. But if

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the kids are merely being enthused into making a decision,

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then we aren't really seeing revival. We're seeing Fineaism two

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point zero.

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Now, when he said Phineaism two point zero, that caught

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my attention because we did a little bit of discussion

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about Finni, right, we did a little a lot of

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discussion about Finny. So I'm like, well, now, I know

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I've seen lots of articles on the Christian Post at

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times revivals breaking out here there was mass baptism of

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eight hundred people or they would give some crazy number,

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and you're you know, I kind of just shrugged my

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shoulders over all of it because in my this is

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my feeling about it. I don't think this is a

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new fad. See, this is the different This is maybe

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my my different opinion. I feel like this kind of

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stuff has been going on since I became a Christian

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as a teenager a long time ago. There's always oh,

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revival's broken out here, Revival's broken out here. Oh this this,

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many people were saying this, many baptisms of the car

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I've heard story after story. I mean, I used to

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make the joke if I take all the stories I

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have heard and combine them all together, everyone in America

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has been saved and baptized fifteen times. Because the numbers

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are always like three thousand, this and this and this

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and this, and it's like come on, and then you

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look around, you're like where, Okay, you tell me there's

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some big revival, but it never seems to Actually, it

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doesn't never seem to be anything. So so is it

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Finianism two point zero? I don't know if it's finism

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two point zero. I know that this is kind of

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a something going on in Christianity, and it at different

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times it kind of there'll be some big claim. Everyone

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will flock there, go there. Everybody will want to be there.

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Everybody want to go witness it, see it, report on it.

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Now every podcaster with a microphone will drive there so

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that they can do a broadcast about it. Because if

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it's gaining attention, then everyone will run there for whatever

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their motivation is. And I I don't know if I

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would refer to it as a new fad. Now he's

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saying that maybe what makes this unique is it's music based,

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but I don't know. I saw that even back in

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the nineteen nineties in in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't know

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which group was responsible for it, but they would have

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like maybe on Saturday nights, Friday nights, these big like

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that would kind of say we're praying for revival, we're

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trying to experience revival. And what would it be. You

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would go and it would basically be an hour of

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praise and worship. It would just be music for the

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most part. Maybe a little bit of a devotional kind

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of thrown in, but it was basically music based. Even

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when I moved back to Texas in two thousand, there

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was a church who claimed to be somewhat more reformed.

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They were trying to do the same thing, trying to

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have like a Saturday night of music in worship. Right, so,

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but it would be connected to revivalistic type language. And

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so I've seen it kind of come and go. I

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don't really, I don't know. I don't know if I

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see it as a fat Let's see what else you

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had to say about it.

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Now, they're big massive revival. It's called Gather twenty five

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supposedly reaching two point five billion people to spark revival. Now,

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how are they going to ignite that spark with twenty

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five hours of worship music, not preaching, music music music,

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and all of these events they resemble finny revivals, not

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because they're preaching, but they're getting people into an emotional

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state and through worship. And you maybe think, well, who

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cares as long as they get saved. Well, we should care,

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because we want to do things biblically and we do

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want kids to be saved. I truly do. But when

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music is center stage and preaching is just sort of

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an add on, Hey, hey, we're gonna get back to worship,

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but real quick, let me just tell you that, and

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we downplay preaching, we should be concerned that we're going

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to see the same results as Charles Finney. What were

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his results? Well, after he finished touring around the country,

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the ports returned to HQ. The people who made a

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profession of faith were actually acting worse since they've been saved, presumably,

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so some individuals decided, well, we got to go figure

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out what happened here. So the circuit riders were dispatched

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to investigate, and they discovered that the supposed converts were

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as they call them, cold cool. They made a false

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profession of faith and now their ladder end is worse

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than the first, and their hearts are hard, and no

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matter what they tried to do to stir them and

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ignite them again, no success. Any circuit came to be

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known as the burned Over District. Now we're starting to

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see revivals on university campuses and beach baptisms. There's another

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trend here in Tampa, Texas, Alifornia. What's being called off

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Summer of Baptisms. And truly, I really do hope people

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are getting saved, but if music is being used to

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emote people into the water, then we should be concerned.

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So there's a test and a challenge simultaneously to see

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if these are genuine revivals. Do revivals. If you're an

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organizer of a revival, I say go for it. But

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here's my challenge. Leave the instruments at home. In fact,

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try this no singing whatsoever, or if you're going to

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do some singing, treat it the way that typically these

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revivals treat preaching. Hey, we're going to get back to

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the preaching, but real quick, let's just sing this song.

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What would happen if music were removed from all of

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these revivals and preaching were the center piece, because that's

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what we see in the Bible. Jonah didn't go to

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ninevo with a band and a three hour set of

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music from Hill's song. The twelve Disciples were not the

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twelve musicians, the backing band, the emotive band to get

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ready so that Jesus could walk out and, you know,

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just do a little bit of preaching. In fact, Jesus

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commanded the disciples to preach. Jesus esteemed preaching as the

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pre eminent task of the evangelist. All preached and people

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got saved without a single synthesizer, creating the My contention,

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if today's revivals had zero music, I suspect they would

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have zero people attend and zero people getting baptized. In fact,

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I suspect that could be true a far too many

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contemporary churches. They're built on manipulative music. You pull the

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plug on the music and we'll see if today's revivals

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are genuine or if they're just creating more cold col discuss.

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Now, I would I think I don't know about the

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fad part, but I would say this, it would be interesting.

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Now in my church, we've done it multiple times. I

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mean I don't even know the number of times we

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did it. Today. We do it frequently. There's no singing, none, zero,

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no singing, no singing. We used to do it. It

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was a common thing for Wednesday nights for twenty something years.

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It's Wednesday night. Good evening, everyone, all right, let's get started,

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open your bibles and an hour of teaching. It was

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common many cases on Sunday nights. Hey opening here, let's

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just get started. We're jumping right in. Some people came

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to our church loved it. Other people did not. Lie.

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In fact, that was one of the very well, okay,

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there was the second complaint, the very first complaint I

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ever got as a pastor, which almost you know, basically

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got rid of a good portion of the of my

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my church when I you know, brand new pastor. My

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first complaint was I had the audacity to stand behind

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the pulpit and say that the big, overweight man with

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the white beard in the red suit and the flying

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reindeers was not real. I had the audacity to say

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that from the pulpit. Someone was furious at me that

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I ruined their children's childhood, even though I had let

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everyone know in the church that I was going to

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make that very clear that he does not exist, and

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I gave him a warning like months before. It did

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not matter. That caused massive problems. I had to have

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a meeting. It was insane, all because I had the

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audacity to say someone who doesn't exist doesn't actually exist

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like I thought. From the pulpit I could say this

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person is not real and not I guess that's insane.

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I know it sounds like I'm making it up. That

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really happened. And the second complaint was we you spend

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so much time teaching. We need to worship. We need

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more music. So then I was like, Okay, I've got

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a solution. We'll do forty five minutes of singing and

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then I'll still preach an hour, so church will basically

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beat about two hours. They did not like that idea

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at all, because you know what they wanted to do.

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They wanted my sermons to be shorter and they wanted

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the singing to increase, and I said no, and they

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took a walk. So I've already been there and fought

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this battle. Now that's the only time I ever fought

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that battle because I had it very clear from that

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point on, that's not going to ever happen in this church.

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And if you want that, you're gonna have to find

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another church or just tell me to hit the road,

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because I'm not gonna play that game. So in my church,

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it's been very common. Wednesday night no singing, Sunday night,

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no singing. There's even times this morning there was no singing.

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There was an hour and nine minutes of teaching and

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discussion about well the state of the church. So it

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kind of relates to this. So there's plenty of times

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we don't. Now there's times we do. Sometimes I will

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even ask for an extra songs sometimes, but I, yeah,

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I I think it would be interesting to see what

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would happen What would happen in your church? What would

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happen if the pastor said, for the next four weeks

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there will be no singing. Every Sunday school will be

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an hour of teaching. Sunday morning will be an hour

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of teaching. Wednesday night will be an hour of teaching.

472
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So Sunday school, Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night

473
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no singing. I wonder what would happen. What do you

474
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think now, whatever the reaction would be, do you think

475
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.599
that's a good reaction. Do you think that's a negative react?

476
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.680
Do you think that now? Some people say, well, you

477
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.400
need worship, you need where I understand that. But I'm

478
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just saying, if you go through the New Testament and

479
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:47.720
you talk about all the discussions about church, right, you

480
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.640
don't have a lot of discussion about music. Obviously, obviously

481
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.559
you've got some a little bit here or there, but small,

482
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.680
and there's no specific rule that you must do it this.

483
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I know people love to create like this is the

484
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.039
way it must be done in church. In many cases

485
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:12.759
we don't have very specific examples. So the issue isn't

486
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.000
whether to have singing or not have singing. The issue

487
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.279
is has singing I don't even think this is about

488
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.160
a I don't think this is even about a trend.

489
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.319
I don't think this is even about a fad. I

490
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.319
think the issue because this is we go all the

491
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way back to the nineteen nineties and all the arguments

492
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:29.759
about what they called the worship wars. I mean, the

493
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.559
nineteen nineties, the church was being torn apart with worship

494
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.160
wars about what kind of music. It was about the

495
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.799
kind of music you could have, right, And I don't

496
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.119
very few people ever stopped to go, wait a minute,

497
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.920
maybe we've elevated music to a level that it shouldn't

498
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:49.039
have been elevated to where fighting these wars over music, well, theology,

499
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.200
biblical preaching is actually getting pushed out. The issue wasn't

500
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.599
this kind of music versus this kind of music? The

501
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.359
issue should have been have we made music more important

502
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.119
than it should have been? Has music become an idol?

503
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.559
That really should have been the discussion in the nineties,

504
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.000
But it wasn't. It was over the type of music. Right.

505
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.119
So now we're in twenty twenty four, and now it

506
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.119
sounds like the concern is that many of these so

507
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:18.920
called revivals are more music based than they are preaching

508
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:23.799
based Now, the only way I would know, I'm because

509
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.480
I cannot, you know, in any way make an argument,

510
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.599
but I would be interested to go to these so

511
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.720
called revivals. Like you know, the revival breaks out, you

512
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.680
just kind of stand back, watch it unfold however it goes,

513
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.039
and then afterwards, try to find all the people who

514
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.680
are massively involved in the revival. Find them a month later,

515
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.119
about a month later, Okay, you how many times did

516
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.359
you go to the revival? How many times? Okay, okay, okay,

517
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.599
You've gathered all these people and then just ask them

518
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:55.680
basic theological questions about scripture, doctrine, theology and then just

519
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.519
see so wait a minute, so you went to this revival,

520
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.279
and what I'm hearing is answer that either indicate one

521
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:03.240
I don't even know if you're a Christian from a

522
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.680
theological perspective, because you sound like a complete heretic, or

523
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:11.759
you're absolutely so confused theologically it's it's embarrassing. But they

524
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.839
may be talking about worship, worship, worship, So when does

525
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:24.880
the music become the problem is I don't know. If

526
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.039
I don't know, if it's a fad, I think that

527
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:36.720
I wonder it would be interesting to know because I

528
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.559
feel like when I okay, so I'm just thinking of

529
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:40.839
some of the charismatic revivals I tried to keep up

530
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.400
with over time, especially as you know, you had more

531
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.480
access to media and you could watch things, whether online

532
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.599
or whatever, you know, and some of the ones I've

533
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.359
kept up with. I think it was a Lakeland revival.

534
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.400
I definitely remember that one. Then what I felt was

535
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.960
very music based. I think that was very music based.

536
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.680
I don't think it's a new fad. I think within

537
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:08.960
the charismatic world, most of their revivals are very music based, right,

538
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.720
what they call praise and worship, I think I don't

539
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.720
think it's a new fad. I think that that's been

540
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:21.400
present for a long time. I think if you think

541
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.599
if you go to any any any revival that's any

542
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.119
even remotely attached to the charismatic movement in any way,

543
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.519
shape or form, it's going to be music, music, music,

544
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.480
praise and worship, praise and worship, praise and worship. They'll

545
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:40.039
be preaching, but I think the music ultimately takes center stage.

546
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.839
So I don't think this is a new fad. I

547
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:50.519
think this has been an ongoing fad for ever. Right,

548
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:56.359
that's my feelings. You can draw your you can draw

549
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.039
your own conclusions, but that's that's my feeling. So they

550
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.400
see it as a new fad. I see it as

551
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.000
really kind of the same old, same old, And I

552
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.000
don't think it's really anything new. I think it's been

553
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.799
going on forever and manipulating. Now he kind of refers

554
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:14.480
to it, are we kind of basically seeing the Charles

555
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.519
Finnie effect happen again. I think the Charles Finni effect

556
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:24.640
has never went away. And that manipulation enthusiasm, I mean

557
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.279
that's been, that's been. You worked in church camps every

558
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.400
summer throughout my entire Christian life. Kids go off to

559
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.680
church camp, and they get enthused, they get manipulated, and

560
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.160
then they come back and oh they're gonna no. It

561
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.799
lasts for about five minutes. Because it was based off emotions,

562
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.480
it was based off isolation, it was based off manipulation.

563
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.119
So I don't know if there's a new fad. I

564
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.920
know the beach baptisms is popular, but I think they

565
00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:00.000
used to be popular. What not A I could be wrong.

566
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.039
I think that was a kind of something that happened

567
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:06.359
going back to the Jesus People movement, right, I mean

568
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:12.559
I would have to verify those facts. I would have

569
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.760
to verify that. But I really haven't heard after I mean,

570
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:19.880
I've heard a couple of revivals, but I haven't really

571
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:25.039
heard as much. I don't know. I'm gonna be I'm

572
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:26.719
gonna say I don't think this is a fad. I

573
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.400
think we're going to have to look if we're looking

574
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.599
for the next evangelical fat Maybe maybe they're right, Maybe

575
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.920
they're right here and I'm just not seeing it. I

576
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:40.119
just I'm not quite seeing it. But there you go.

577
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.199
I wanted at least bring it to your attention and

578
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.639
you can draw your own conclusion. If you were to

579
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:51.079
predict what the next big fad, next big trend is

580
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.280
going to be in the evangelical world, what would you predict?

581
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:56.880
What would you predict if you were if you were

582
00:34:56.880 --> 00:35:08.719
trying to predict? Yeah, typically I have some like great

583
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.199
choices for you. I don't really have any. I don't

584
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.280
really know if I can even look and go. I'm

585
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.239
so concerned with the political hijacking of the American Church

586
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.880
that I just see that that whole situation continuing to

587
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.960
unravel and influence and corrupt, and we see the decline

588
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.280
in church attendance and that's going down. I just have

589
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.039
an article right here that we'll talk about at some point.

590
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.760
Massive decline in giving. I mean, churches are experiencing major

591
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.719
decline and financial giving and support. That's going to have

592
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.440
an impact in the church. I see we're in a transition.

593
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.760
I don't see that this is a time of fads.

594
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:44.599
I see this as in a time that the church

595
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:49.440
is transitioning, and there's a transitional period. And I don't

596
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.679
know what it's transitioning into, but it seems there's going

597
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.480
to be fewer people and less money available. I don't

598
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.360
know what that's going to look like. I think that's

599
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.400
what we're gonna We're witnessing fewer people and fewer and

600
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:13.880
fewer dollars with the whole political hijacking going on. Maybe

601
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.119
that would be the things that was the continuing political

602
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.239
hijacking of the church. A decrease in numbers and a

603
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:28.039
decrease in money. So while other people are like revivals, well,

604
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.440
if revivals then you would have more people and more money. Right,

605
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:40.039
So I'm confused, which which which version or which which

606
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.480
narrative is the correct one. Oh, there's revivals happening, and

607
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.519
all these people are getting baptized and all these people

608
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.159
are getting saved. Revival is here. Well, all the other

609
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.480
numbers are like number. Churches are getting smaller, people are

610
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.760
not returning. People are not coming back. You have to

611
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.280
cancel services, and they're giving less and less money. Those

612
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:04.719
are dradically different narratives. All right, you can let me

613
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.159
know what you think. Thanks for listening. Everyone, have a

614
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great day. God bless